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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #325 on: April 29, 2016, 13:03:52 »
I still use MkIII, I gather supply will still exchange these provided their on a members Docs?

I still wear mine too, but as for exchanging them ... no longer in the system.  If it's soles though, there are a few cobblers still in existence who will re-sole for you.   :-\
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #326 on: April 29, 2016, 18:38:53 »
And if for some reason you ever had an inkling to buy MKIII's you can get them for cheap!

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #327 on: April 29, 2016, 19:06:57 »
Supply Tech needs to consult the SAM and see what it says about "sizing" and what happens when members can not be properly fitted from stock-range footwear.  Section 5.5, part 2.
I read that reference at work, so only members not drawing LOTB can get special size footwear? You posted an excerpt from an email stating LOTB or nothing basically.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #328 on: April 30, 2016, 19:34:51 »
I read that reference at work, so only members not drawing LOTB can get special size footwear? You posted an excerpt from an email stating LOTB or nothing basically.

Sigh.

No, Ottawa was LPOing OTR footwear for everyone and their dog because there were none to be had in the system (there was no stock).  Now, the LOTBs are stocked in the system so people have to go get sized/issued them from clothing.  Blanket LPOs are no longer being done by Ottawa with national fin coding (because they are now stocked) for this item.

BUT, IAW the ref, if you can not be fitted from standard stocked sizes, then you need to see the Sup tech at clothing stores (not Ottawa) about LPOing you footwear that properly fits (with their Base's command allotment fin coding they receive for exactly this purpose).
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #329 on: April 30, 2016, 19:46:38 »
Sigh.

No, Ottawa was LPOing OTR footwear for everyone and their dog because there were none to be had in the system (there was no stock).  Now, the LOTBs are stocked in the system so people have to go get sized/issued them from clothing.  Blanket LPOs are no longer being done by Ottawa with national fin coding (because they are now stocked) for this item.

BUT, IAW the ref, if you can not be fitted from standard stocked sizes, then you need to see the Sup tech at clothing stores (not Ottawa) about LPOing you footwear that properly fits (with their Base's command allotment fin coding they receive for exactly this purpose).

I don't think the Sigh is required, as you likely are aware, the SAM is huge and the intricacies of the supply system are not at the forefront of people's minds. I'm not going to get frustrated because someone signing for a radio from Crypto doesn't have the INFOSEC 2(D) memorized and analyzed, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Thank you for the clarification.


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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #330 on: May 02, 2016, 12:53:09 »
I don't think the Sigh is required, as you likely are aware, the SAM is huge and the intricacies of the supply system are not at the forefront of people's minds. I'm not going to get frustrated because someone signing for a radio from Crypto doesn't have the INFOSEC 2(D) memorized and analyzed, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Thank you for the clarification.

Well, I sigh because I am not at work ... and you should have a sup tech or someone to talk to at your Unit.

I do my very best to help out, but people unable to exert leadership and look up refs on the DWAN etc, or failure within their own CoCs to communicate down to their own members makes me freakin' sigh.  IE:  The probably 50 or so times I referenced the boot reference on this site ... and still get asked for it.  Some of these people are supposed to be "leaders" --- why am I their mother?  For crying out loud, the link to the SAM is on the Defence Team Homepage:  http://intranet.mil.ca/en/


Not you personally, just the fact this crap is no secret.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #331 on: May 02, 2016, 13:05:30 »
If I was a betting man, I'd say there's not a Snr NCO in my immediate chain of command that would actually be able to find the correct reference on footwear and provide it to a junior member. Not on their own at least.

I have less than a decade of service, and yet the absolute lack of institutional knowledge I've seen displayed by those with double my TI is amazing. Even when you shove the reference in their face, they don't believe it or interpret it wrong, have to ask the WO/MWO/CWO for guidance.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #332 on: May 02, 2016, 13:18:29 »
If I was a betting man, I'd say there's not a Snr NCO in my immediate chain of command that would actually be able to find the correct reference on footwear and provide it to a junior member. Not on their own at least.

I have less than a decade of service, and yet the absolute lack of institutional knowledge I've seen displayed by those with double my TI is amazing. Even when you shove the reference in their face, they don't believe it or interpret it wrong, have to ask the WO/MWO/CWO for guidance.

The SAM is a large manual.  The link to it is on the DWAN homepage.  A search of DND for "Supply Manual" will also bring it up.

I bet you there isn't a supply tech in NATO who could give you the proper reference for footwear either.  The Supply Trade has way too many specialized areas (procurement, disposal, clothing, weapons etc etc).  Sup techs working in "Section X" would only be able to give you the refs for "Section X" and would have invalid insight into areas of other Sections' operations.  The rules just change too often. 

BUT, the PDF file is also able to be searched quite easily - to find the now-valid boot ref I simply went "Cntrl + F", and typed in "Footwear" into the search bar, then clicked "next" until it brought me to the applicable topic. 

In my ref in this thread (I found it by doing the above), I even gave the Section and beginning para.  If I want to know about LPO procedures, I go talk to the Cpl who currently works LPO as they are the SMEs and know their refs. 

I'd argue that any soldier should know where to look for the refs to clothing --- as their kit is signed for by them and is theirs.   They should care, but apparently they do not until there is a problem.  Call it a tick in the box under:  Problem Solving, Resource management, Initiative, Working with Others, Administration, Professional Development etc etc etc.

You can be sure that when I have an issue with claims, I am looking up the applicable regulations even though I am not a Clerk ... and I'm sure many of those who can't seem to find the SAM have also done so without hesitation.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #333 on: May 14, 2016, 10:14:03 »
If I was a betting man, I'd say there's not a Snr NCO in my immediate chain of command that would actually be able to find the correct reference on footwear and provide it to a junior member. Not on their own at least.

I have less than a decade of service, and yet the absolute lack of institutional knowledge I've seen displayed by those with double my TI is amazing. Even when you shove the reference in their face, they don't believe it or interpret it wrong, have to ask the WO/MWO/CWO for guidance.

THIS is one of the things MOST wrong with the CAF today - laziness. And what does result? This. I don't wanna do the work so it's someone else's fault.

I once attempted to back a discussion at the front counter with a SAM reference and the MWO on the other side (Artillery) said to me "Son, there are three people I answer to - my CO, my mother and my God. Your book is NOT my concern..." Like really?
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #334 on: May 14, 2016, 12:50:27 »
Even when you shove the reference in their face, they don't believe it or interpret it wrong, have to ask the WO/MWO/CWO for guidance.

The chain of command only likes policies when it supports the way they think it should be.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #335 on: May 14, 2016, 13:24:46 »
I'd buy that for a dollar!

It been getting a lot worse the past few years too, and those in 'authority positions' who screw up seem rarely to be held to account.

Just another one of those 'little big things' in the CAF that are slipping more and more all the time...
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #336 on: May 14, 2016, 16:27:23 »
I'd buy that for a dollar!

It been getting a lot worse the past few years too, and those in 'authority positions' who screw up seem rarely to be held to account.

Just another one of those 'little big things' in the CAF that are slipping more and more all the time...

Don't be too harsh with the changes in the CAF, as these changes are society wide.  :nod:
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #337 on: May 14, 2016, 17:21:51 »
I don't care about society though.  We are the CAF.  If you can't do the job you have according to the rules and regs, you should be held accountable.
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #338 on: October 19, 2016, 03:05:16 »
Maybe someone can point me the right direction here to the applicable document, I checked the dress manual and couldn't find anything but I keep hearing the back and forth of combats being shown, or that they have to be just blackened.
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #339 on: October 19, 2016, 08:33:40 »
This is from the dress regs:


a. Shoes leather, oxfords, pumps, and boots
ankle shall be clean and shone at all times.

b. Footwear shall be laced as shown in
Figure 2-2-6.

c. Overshoes, high, boots, cold weather
(women’s), or black toe rubbers (optional)
may be worn as required and kept clean.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #340 on: October 19, 2016, 14:58:41 »
This is from the dress regs:


a. Shoes leather, oxfords, pumps, and boots
ankle shall be clean and shone at all times.

b. Footwear shall be laced as shown in
Figure 2-2-6.

c. Overshoes, high, boots, cold weather
(women’s), or black toe rubbers (optional)
may be worn as required and kept clean.

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Doesn't address combat boots.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #341 on: October 19, 2016, 15:17:10 »
Doesn't address combat boots.

Yes my understanding is those regulations cover boots for DEU's as it is under the service dress section of the dress regulations
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #342 on: October 19, 2016, 16:39:22 »
Doesn't address combat boots.
Well thats all I could find :)

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #343 on: October 19, 2016, 16:50:26 »
Check out 2-2-1 on Appearance. Under Deportment, para 3, Military presence. Personnel in uniform shall be well groomed, with footwear cleaned and shone. And it continues on.

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #344 on: October 20, 2016, 08:41:37 »
10 Years-In. I've never been told to "shine" my combat boots, and I don't think I've seen many in passing.

The one glaring exception would be during 2 of my 4 years at RMC. We had a super-keen Sgt Maj who shined his combat boots to an almost mirror gloss. However, he flat out told the entire Cadet Wing that "You're not supposed to shine your combat boots! I do, but that's just me So do as I say, not as I do!" or something like that...

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #345 on: October 20, 2016, 10:06:36 »
10 Years-In. I've never been told to "shine" my combat boots, and I don't think I've seen many in passing.

The one glaring exception would be during 2 of my 4 years at RMC. We had a super-keen Sgt Maj who shined his combat boots to an almost mirror gloss. However, he flat out told the entire Cadet Wing that "You're not supposed to shine your combat boots! I do, but that's just me So do as I say, not as I do!" or something like that...

God he was a terrifying man...

I thought the current style black boots weren't to be shined but to use that green-tin silicone (?) stuff? 
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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #346 on: October 20, 2016, 10:16:36 »
Same...14 years and have always been told to avoid a shine. High gloss shine on combat boots is right out of er.
Ive been on parade with some who spit shone the old mk3s and they stuck out...the Sgt Maj came right aboard them.

I've always been told, and now tell that black and clean is fine. Unless they have tan boots...which is a whole other story.

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« Reply #347 on: October 20, 2016, 13:09:52 »
I thought the current style black boots weren't to be shined but to use that green-tin silicone (?) stuff?

That paste is for the Wet Weather Boots.

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« Reply #348 on: October 23, 2016, 16:17:34 »
IIRC it is also the only thing to be used on the RCAF TCBs and WWBs. 

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Re: CAF Combat boots policy 2005-2018
« Reply #349 on: October 23, 2016, 20:31:05 »
That paste is for the Wet Weather Boots.
If you read the instructions for the mark 4's it says to use the boot paste.