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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #450 on: March 08, 2012, 23:19:48 »
No, you won't.

I've spent the last several years working along side aircraft technicians who have spent many, many years ( many will continue to do so) at the rank of Cpl.

I'm on my thirteenth year in the trade, people have been getting promoted quickly for about 5 years now.  I have seen promotions to MCpl with only one Cpl PER, on more than one occasion.  Any Cpl who wants to progress can.  It will slow eventually, but things are a bit ridiculous now, particularly in the maritime helicopter world.  Plenty of folks getting Sgt with minimum time spent at MCpl as well. 
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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #451 on: March 09, 2012, 07:13:09 »
I presume that's what I've previous seen referred to as the "Leading Seaman rank Qual" board?

Ayup.  Here's a couple of additional bites:

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OFFICIALLY AUTHORIZED: Spec Pay will be granted AFTER completion of OJPR2 (Maintainer OJPR…ie LS Rank Qual Board)

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The new ACISS occupation did not get spec pay and remain in the standard pay field. Mar Eng pay review will be conducted this year.
Insert disclaimer statement here....

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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #452 on: March 09, 2012, 09:03:01 »
Can't figure out how to 'insert' ppt slides but this was from a presentation given by the MAR ENG/ET Occ Mgr to the coasts in January. (Note: It is UNCLAS)

Slide 1:
Spec 1 & 2 Pay Review:
Triggered with stand-up of any new occupation
New MARENG occ effective Feb 12 with approval of MESIP:
No pay review since 1975
Disconnect between extant Occ Spec and CBI Spec Pay
Occ Spec – Spec 1 after QL5 & Cert 2
CBI – Spec 1 after QL5

Possible outcomes (know by) of the Spec pay review are:
Yes Spec 1 upon completion of QL5 (Jun 2012) and Yes Spec 2 upon completion of QL6 (Nov/Dec 2012);
Yes Spec 1 upon completion of QL5 (Jun 2012) but No Spec 2 (Nov/Dec 2012);
No Spec 1 upon completion of QL5 (Jun 2012) but Yes Spec 1 upon completion of QL6 (Nov/Dec 2012);
No Spec 1 upon completion of QL5 (Jun 2012) but Yes Spec 2 upon completion of QL6 (Nov/Dec 2012); or
No Spec pay (Nov/Dec 2012).

Slide 2:
So what - using the noted pay review approach means:
If no Spec pay is awarded, post pay review, then there will be no requirement to clawback any pay from any sailor; or
If Spec pay is awarded, any commencement of Spec pay and back-pay to our sailors, who may have qualified for Spec pay during the pay review, should occur within 2 mths (WRT Spec pay start) and within 4 mths (WRT Spec pay back-pay) respectively.

Response - we will have clarity WRT the MARENG Spec 1 & 2 pay review/outcome(s) before end 2012
Less than 11 mths from the MESIP implementation
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From me:

Keep in mind, he has covered ALL potential scenarios. I am not a fortune teller but the feeling is that there will be little change when this is done. Again, I am NOT a fortune teller.
For those of you getting your Cert 2/3 (I know you're out there-I've seen the messages) or those getting promoted PO1 - CPO2 (because of the move from PO1 Spec 2 direct to 3rd Incent CPO2) during the review, note the 3rd line of slide 2.

If you have any specific questions, talk to your supervisors or even ask to talk to the CM/Occ Mgr. Barring that, PM me. If you PM me, know that my first question to you will be "Have you checked with your divisional system?"

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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #453 on: March 09, 2012, 12:02:22 »
Ayup.  Here's a couple of additional bites:

The new ACISS occupation did not get spec pay and remain in the standard pay field.

Tangent; do you have a ref for the bolded? Thanks
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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #454 on: March 09, 2012, 14:23:50 »
I didn't look yet but this came with the ppt presentation earlier.
I assume they are CBIs?

Refs: A. 204.03(1)(b)
B. 204.03(2)(b)
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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #455 on: March 10, 2012, 09:54:32 »
I didn't look yet but this came with the ppt presentation earlier.
I assume they are CBIs?

Refs: A. 204.03(1)(b)
B. 204.03(2)(b)

CBI 204 hasn't been updated since Mar 2009, so it does not have any information on ACISS and only holds the old information for Stoker.

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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #456 on: March 11, 2012, 15:43:59 »
Beadwindow,

I have a copy of the e-mail from the folks in DMAR PERS. 

Shoot me a message at work and I'll forward it to you Monday.

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Insert disclaimer statement here....

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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #457 on: March 12, 2012, 07:19:40 »
E-mail sent to Puck.

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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #458 on: March 12, 2012, 11:36:31 »
Beadwindow,

I have a copy of the e-mail from the folks in DMAR PERS. 

Shoot me a message at work and I'll forward it to you Monday.

(bradley.browne at the forces dot gc dot ca place...)

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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #459 on: May 25, 2012, 23:09:56 »
After your 14 weeks in Basic you will be sent to Borden , in Borden you will learn basic aircraft knowledge ( Theory of flight , basic electrical , how to use tool properly and a basic introduction to all aircraft. ) you will be there close to 2 years depending the final trade you choose , before ( and I mean like 4 to 6 weeks before )  you gradguate from Borden you will choose 3 Units you would like to go to ( again depending on trade )
Now depending on your current Rank , previous experiance , time of year and availability of  your chosen trade, the units you choose from will depend on where you get sent.  ( Me personaly, I'm from the East coast as well and chose Sheerwater , Trenton, Greenwood and I got Cold Lake Alberta. )  The Military Physical year starts in April so if you gradguate from Borden in say March there will not be many of the "good" postings left to fill that year so what is left is what you will get.    Career manager does not have time for a new Pvt so you are basically a number and there are slots to fill. Unsure if it is the same but when I went through the TOP STUDENT of the class got there choice of posting.
Now that you are a QL3 Tech and are at your 1st Home Unit you will be placed on a waiting list for your QL5 this is to teach you your trade for the Aircraft of the Unit they chose for you aprox another 6 months ( depending on trade ) . Once you are trained you will then be qualified to work on the Aircraft under supervision. 

First year in Borden you will prob be making aprox $32000/yr
Withen 3 years I was QL5 trained at this time making aprox $40000/yr
4 years to the first day of your basic training you will be Cpl ( CPL AND QL5 = spec 1 ) aprox $60000/yr and will slowley climb every additional year.

Sorry for the long dragged out msg but trying to answer all of your other posts all in one here.
lot of good information i was looking for - thanks

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #460 on: June 18, 2012, 15:05:40 »
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/ps/je-ee/faq/otguao-mjgpmga-eng.asp
Firstly, yay for searching.  I knew it had to be in here somewhere.

If you browse that website coming down from root, you end up at the FAQ where you see " "Occupation Trade Group Update - Active Occupations".  If you click that, the link is broken and it doesn't point to the spreadsheet above...which is strangely actually IN THE SAME section of that FAQ.  Where's the webmaster? hehe.

Anyway,  Thanks for the file & info.

Can I ask, is this it for spec pay?  1 & 2?  There's no classified trades that get anything beyond this?

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #461 on: June 18, 2012, 15:45:58 »
classified trades

What is a "classified trade" ?

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that get anything beyond this?

There is nothing indicated after specialist 2. What does this tell you ?

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #462 on: June 18, 2012, 19:50:32 »
So there are no Officer trades that get "spec" pay or other incentives?


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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #463 on: June 18, 2012, 19:51:59 »
So there are no Officer trades that get "spec" pay

No.

Certain officer MOS have their own separate pay scale, however (such as pilots, lawyers and doctors).

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #464 on: June 18, 2012, 21:14:28 »
No.

Certain officer MOS have their own separate pay scale, however (such as pilots, lawyers and doctors).

Yea, i was just wondering if there was anything else. That's ok though.

I assume it's because officer pay is generally higher anyways?

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #465 on: June 18, 2012, 21:26:42 »
I assume it's because officer pay is generally higher anyways?

No. Officer pay is higher because the responsibilities and scope of employment are much different. Most officer MOS are in a group called "general service officers" so there is no "spec pay" as they are generalists.

NCM trades function in a different way.

That's my Cole's notes explanation.

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Re: CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]
« Reply #466 on: June 18, 2012, 21:31:05 »
No.

Certain officer MOS have their own separate pay scale, however (such as pilots, lawyers and doctors).
And not to be left out, our Dental Officer colleagues.

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Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #467 on: January 08, 2013, 17:53:56 »
Hi, this has thread has been in limbo for some time. Just before Christmas this message was set out as a update to all Reg F Med Techs.


 
COMMUNIQUE   DIRECTORATE HEALTH SERVICES PERSONNEL   12 December 2012      
SUBJECT   Pay Evaluation – Reg F MED TECH (00334)         
   Ref: 1727/10 D H Svcs Pers 08 Jan 10         
   5555-00334 (DPPD4) 31 Oct 12 (NOTAL)         
DETAILS   
The following is the second SITREP on the pay evaluation process for Reg F MED TECH

Despite the satisfaction of previous conditions set by the Directorate Pay Policy Development (DPPD), and their indication that the pay evaluation would continue once 50% of the MED TECH achieved the AEC qualification; DPPD has now indicated that new processes for the allocation of pay groups have been adopted.  Consequently, the pursuit of the MED TECH pay evaluation requires the completion of the MED TECH occupation restructuring.  This initiative includes the development/analysis of the MED TECH occupational jobs which has already commenced and will continue in the new year.  The pay evaluation process will be based on the approved and validated Job Based Specifications/Job Descriptions.  This process is expected to take a minimum of two years. 

Although DPPD is responsible for pay evaluation for the purpose of allocation of trade groups, the Director Health Services Personnel remains committed to the advancement of this high priority file.

Addressees are required to widely disseminate this message to all units to ensure that all MED TECH are informed of the pay evaluation situation.
         
         


 
COMMUNIQUE   DIRECTION PERSONNEL SERVICES DE SANTE   12 Decembre 2012      
OBJET   Évaluation de solde – TEC MED F rég (00334)         
   Ref: 1727/10 D Pers SS 08 Jan 10         
DETAILS   
Cette missive est la deuxième mise-à-jour concernant le processus d’évaluation de la solde de TEC MED F rég.

La Direction Politique et Développement (Solde) (DPDS) nous a avisé qu’un nouveau visant l’attribution des groupes de solde est présentement en vigueur.  En conséquence, afin de poursuivre le travail en vue de l’évaluation de la solde des TEC MED se poursuivra alors que nous aurons complété la restructuration prochaine du groupe militaire TEC MED.  Cette initiative prévue pour débuter en 2013 comprend le développement/analyse des attributions de travail des TEC MED.  Le processus d’évaluation de la solde sera basé sur l’évaluation des Description de spécification de travail/ Attributions de travail tel qu’approuvées et validées.  Le résultat de la restructuration de ce GPM ne sera pas connu avant au moins deux ans.

Bien que l’évaluation de solde relève de la DPDS, le Directeur Personnel des Services de santé demeure pleinement engagé envers l’avancement de ce dossier.

On demande aux destinataires de disséminer ce message à toutes les unités au sein de leur chaine de commandement afin que tous les TEC MED reçoivent cette mise-à-jour concernant l’évaluation de la solde.

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #468 on: January 08, 2013, 17:58:52 »
So, basically they're still working on it......

Maybe you should have titled your post differently.
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Med Techs NOT getting spec pay anytime soon.
« Reply #469 on: January 08, 2013, 18:08:55 »
Consequently, the pursuit of the MED TECH pay evaluation requires the completion of the MED TECH occupation restructuring.  This initiative includes the development/analysis of the MED TECH occupational jobs which has already commenced and will continue in the new year.  The pay evaluation process will be based on the approved and validated Job Based Specifications/Job Descriptions.  This process is expected to take a minimum of two years. 

Although DPPD is responsible for pay evaluation for the purpose of allocation of trade groups, the Director Health Services Personnel remains committed to the advancement of this high priority file.

Short form: Keep waiting.
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Re: Med Techs NOT getting spec pay anytime soon.
« Reply #470 on: January 08, 2013, 19:17:01 »
Short form: Keep waiting.

Sadly yes...

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #471 on: January 08, 2013, 23:36:02 »
 :crybaby:

Ok, now seriously though, is anyone surprised about this??  It's amazing that as we keep meeting the standard a new one appears.

Hi, this has thread has been in limbo for some time. Just before Christmas this message was set out as a update to all Reg F Med Techs.

Uh, guess we didn't get that memo/e-mail.  Where was the message published to so I can look it up and get it passed around tomorrow at work?

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #472 on: January 09, 2013, 01:32:31 »
My guess is sitting in your RSM's in box...

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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #473 on: July 14, 2014, 12:42:01 »
Hello,
any news about the spec pay, I'm starting my BMQ in august and trying to do my personal budget (loosing 70k) joining the navy as stolker.

any advise can be good before my swearing on the 29'th of july.

thanks
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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #474 on: July 14, 2014, 12:51:23 »
Hello,
any news about the spec pay, I'm starting my BMQ in august and trying to do my personal budget (loosing 70k) joining the navy as stolker.

any advise can be good before my swearing on the 29'th of july.

thanks

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