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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #425 on: April 22, 2011, 21:18:08 »
The next QL5 that was supposed to start has been cancelled from all the sources I've heard, so we will be stalled for a while.

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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #426 on: May 17, 2011, 10:13:04 »
 After your trade course. Like Borden or other trade school. Since it take about 4 years, guess what, you will be cpl or pretty close before you get it.

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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #427 on: May 17, 2011, 11:59:02 »
After your trade course. Like Borden or other trade school. Since it take about 4 years, guess what, you will be cpl or pretty close before you get it.

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I can't speak for other fleets, but on the Herc, you have to be both trades (QL5) qualified, and a Cpl.  People here are getting their 5's with 2 years in, so they're having to wait a year, year and a half before spec pay is even on the horizon.
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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #428 on: September 18, 2011, 03:49:42 »
Do you get to choose the type of aircraft to work on for the QL5?
Or You get whatever aircraft that is short for  AVN Techs?

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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #429 on: September 18, 2011, 09:37:15 »
It will be the airframe you're working on at your first posting out of trades training.  Where your first posting will be is beyond anybody but the career manager to say.
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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #430 on: September 18, 2011, 13:22:44 »
It will be the airframe you're working on at your first posting out of trades training.  Where your first posting will be is beyond anybody but the career manager to say.

Thank you for the explanation.
So, we do have our own choice of which type of airframe to work on?
assuming different types of aircraft having different airframe
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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #431 on: September 18, 2011, 13:26:16 »
So, we do of our own choice of which type of airframe to work on,

No, you do not.

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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #432 on: September 18, 2011, 14:18:17 »
You'll get to select 3 bases that you'd like to be posted to; but as CDN Aviator pointed out, the choice will be made by the CF with consideration given to many variables, one of which will be your preference.
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Re: AVS and AVN spec pay, how does this work?
« Reply #433 on: September 20, 2011, 20:05:10 »
After your 14 weeks in Basic you will be sent to Borden , in Borden you will learn basic aircraft knowledge ( Theory of flight , basic electrical , how to use tool properly and a basic introduction to all aircraft. ) you will be there close to 2 years depending the final trade you choose , before ( and I mean like 4 to 6 weeks before )  you gradguate from Borden you will choose 3 Units you would like to go to ( again depending on trade )
Now depending on your current Rank , previous experiance , time of year and availability of  your chosen trade, the units you choose from will depend on where you get sent.  ( Me personaly, I'm from the East coast as well and chose Sheerwater , Trenton, Greenwood and I got Cold Lake Alberta. )  The Military Physical year starts in April so if you gradguate from Borden in say March there will not be many of the "good" postings left to fill that year so what is left is what you will get.    Career manager does not have time for a new Pvt so you are basically a number and there are slots to fill. Unsure if it is the same but when I went through the TOP STUDENT of the class got there choice of posting.
Now that you are a QL3 Tech and are at your 1st Home Unit you will be placed on a waiting list for your QL5 this is to teach you your trade for the Aircraft of the Unit they chose for you aprox another 6 months ( depending on trade ) . Once you are trained you will then be qualified to work on the Aircraft under supervision. 

First year in Borden you will prob be making aprox $32000/yr
Withen 3 years I was QL5 trained at this time making aprox $40000/yr
4 years to the first day of your basic training you will be Cpl ( CPL AND QL5 = spec 1 ) aprox $60000/yr and will slowley climb every additional year.

Sorry for the long dragged out msg but trying to answer all of your other posts all in one here.

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #434 on: September 26, 2011, 23:52:14 »
Don't the following trades can spec 1 pay??
Medical Technician - AEROMED
Medical Technician - OR
Medical Technician - PA
Medical Technician - Preventive Medicine

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #435 on: September 26, 2011, 23:59:34 »
They do - but they are specialty trades in the medical branch or Senior Med Techs.  PMed IIRC correctly has to have their 6A and Sgt's to collect it unless they've changed it.  PA's have to spend 2 years solidly in school, and to get there, you have to be a Sgt Med Tech first.

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #436 on: September 27, 2011, 00:14:09 »
They do - but they are specialty trades in the medical branch or Senior Med Techs.  PMed IIRC correctly has to have their 6A and Sgt's to collect it unless they've changed it.  PA's have to spend 2 years solidly in school, and to get there, you have to be a Sgt Med Tech first.

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Thanks for the reply.
So how long will it take a new recruit to get to spec 1 pay?

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #437 on: September 27, 2011, 00:15:58 »
I got my WO's after 20 years...if you're switched on and have good bosses, you could get there in 12-15 years.  Unless the mythical pay scale change for the QL5's comes out of the mist in the near future...then about 4-5 years.

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #438 on: September 27, 2011, 00:26:27 »
I got my WO's after 20 years...if you're switched on and have good bosses, you could get there in 12-15 years.  Unless the mythical pay scale change for the QL5's comes out of the mist in the near future...then about 4-5 years.

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4-5 years to spec 1 pay aren't too bad. Besides, 1 year will be primarily training and college studies.
:) thank so much for the information!

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #439 on: September 27, 2011, 00:27:09 »
Like I said - depends all upon the mythical pay increase approval.

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #440 on: September 27, 2011, 00:39:29 »
Can you be posted in the navy or airforce during the initial employment?
Or you have to stick with the Army ?

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #441 on: September 27, 2011, 00:43:42 »
The uniform is the clothes you wear to work - I had some folks in Vic when I was there that were fresh out of school...you go where you're needed, but more often than not, usually army first.

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Re: Should Med Techs get Spec pay?
« Reply #442 on: September 27, 2011, 07:39:47 »
PMed IIRC correctly has to have their 6A and Sgt's to collect it unless they've changed it.

Correct.   :nod:
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Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #443 on: March 08, 2012, 13:37:26 »
So I’ve been hearing a bit about this Spec pay freeze within our trade. 

One of my requisites, one that I was very strict about before joining the Canadian forces was to only apply for a Spec 1/2 trade.  No offence to anyone here in a basic trade, but I scored very high on my initial aptitude test,  I have a college education, a head on my shoulders, am in a fair bit of debt, and the extra $4000 - $5000+ per year that spec trades offer made the difference for me choosing this trade.

I’ve heard from some stoker’s, of all different ranks, not to worry about it; that the freeze will be lifted soon enough because our trade is in a bit of trouble.  Yet I’ve heard other stokers give me the advice: “Get out now!”  (Duly noted that most of these stokers are L.S. who probably were the first one’s to get their pay held back)

I’m seriously considering getting the ball rolling on an O.T. to Air-AVN tech, where the spec pay is not in question, and by the sounds of things, I’ll be able to climb the rank ladder/pay scale much quicker.  (Was interested in AVN to begin with, but really want to sail)

Can anyone else lend an opinion to this conversation?
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« Reply #444 on: March 08, 2012, 13:47:50 »
I’ll be able to climb the rank ladder/pay scale much quicker. 

No, you won't.

I've spent the last several years working along side aircraft technicians who have spent many, many years ( many will continue to do so) at the rank of Cpl.


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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #445 on: March 08, 2012, 13:49:11 »
So I’ve been hearing a bit about this Spec pay freeze within our trade. 

One of my requisites, one that I was very strict about before joining the Canadian forces was to only apply for a Spec 1/2 trade.  No offence to anyone here in a basic trade, but I scored very high on my initial aptitude test,  I have a college education, a head on my shoulders, am in a fair bit of debt, and the extra $4000 - $5000+ per year that spec trades offer made the difference for me choosing this trade.

I’ve heard from some stoker’s, of all different ranks, not to worry about it; that the freeze will be lifted soon enough because our trade is in a bit of trouble.  Yet I’ve heard other stokers give me the advice: “Get out now!”  (Duly noted that most of these stokers are L.S. who probably were the first one’s to get their pay held back)

I’m seriously considering getting the ball rolling on an O.T. to Air-AVN tech, where the spec pay is not in question, and by the sounds of things, I’ll be able to climb the rank ladder/pay scale much quicker.  (Was interested in AVN to begin with, but really want to sail)

Can anyone else lend an opinion to this conversation?

From what I been told and briefed the trade is in review in regards to occupational specifications which hasn't been done for years, this determines the spec pay. While this is happening spec 1 and 2 pay is frozen. It is possible that Spec 2 will be eliminated if the justification cannot be made(highly unlikely) Anyone already with spec pay 2 will be grandfathered.
This is expected to be concluded fairly quickly. Don't listen to LS that tell you to get out now, things are moving along and the trade has a bright future.

Pat in Halifax may have additional information on this.
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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #446 on: March 08, 2012, 13:56:17 »
Hi and welcome to the BEST trade!
First off, I checked your profile and as a stoker, as of 1 Feb 12, you are MOSID 00367 (there was a MARGEN but I cannot find it right now). Part of the reason for our audit now is because the 3 previous trades Mar Eng Mech, Mar Eng Tech and Mar Eng Art are now simply one trade; Mar Eng.
Second, this is an ongoing audit by Treasury Board and I suspect that ALL Spec trades will go through this.
Third, as a new entry stoker, you would not be entitled to Spec 1 (like most Spec trades) until you complete QL5 (and I mean 'complete' - getting your Cert 2), which for the stoker trade is a minimum of 4-5 years out. Relax, the audit will be done by then and is not likely to change much from what it was. Those who were entitled during the freeze, will be back dated.

Next time I am talking to the Occ Mgr (we live in the same building here in Ottawa), I will clarify but this has been a hot discussion (as you can imagine) since it was signalled about a year ago.

I am curious who told you that "...the trade is in trouble..."

If you feel it necessary to VOT, that is your prerogative but you may find yourself going into a trade commencing their audit as it is lifted for the Mar Eng one.

Good Luck and I do feel the frustration. Many of us here in Ottawa tried everything to at the very least expedite the process if not put it off all together.
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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #447 on: March 08, 2012, 17:02:13 »
Hi and welcome to the BEST trade!

Not nice to tell fibs to the new guys.   :D  HT is the best of course.   :bowing:  All kidding aside, any trade is what you make of it.  I know plenty of Stokers who are happy and unhappy both. 

I'll echo CDN re the Air side of the house.  While that trade is a fantastic trade, and has great after job marketability it does not necessarily move swiftly.  I have encountered many of that particular trade who have been Cpls for some time, and it's not because they are slugs either.  The other Zoomie trades I rub shoulders with on ship can also be that way too.  They are all great trades, but not screamer ones from what I have seen.   That seems to be the Aircrew folks where there is better movement from what I have seen.


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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #448 on: March 08, 2012, 18:36:03 »
An interesting e-mail I got today (a part of it at least) regarding the WEng Trades:

" Our pay review has been completed. Good news! DPPD has agreed that we will get spec pay after our W Eng Maintainer Board. No spec 2 pay however, that is what we expected following discussions during our MESIP. "

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Re: Stoker Spec Pay Freeze.
« Reply #449 on: March 08, 2012, 18:38:29 »
An interesting e-mail I got today (a part of it at least) regarding the WEng Trades:

" Our pay review has been completed. Good news! DPPD has agreed that we will get spec pay after our W Eng Maintainer Board. No spec 2 pay however, that is what we expected following discussions during our MESIP. "

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I presume that's what I've previous seen referred to as the "Leading Seaman rank Qual" board?
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