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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2011, 22:42:28 »
Well done Johnny Bravo! (for one of te medic types in the message) Militi Succurimus

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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2011, 08:56:03 »
Love hearing this sort of thing! Good to see hard work/dedication recognized! Keep it up!

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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2011, 14:55:56 »
Congratulations to all the award recipients. Cheers.
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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2011, 20:46:50 »
Bravo Zulu to all recipients.

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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2011, 19:22:04 »
Right you are.  I always thought all orders of valour and bravery went ahead of orders of merit.

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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2011, 22:07:30 »
Congrats to all.

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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2011, 22:56:34 »
Generals have to pad their resumes somehow!

What do you mean?
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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2011, 00:35:18 »
What do you mean?

I was in response to the comment about meritorious service cross being higher in precedence than medals of military valor or merit.  I am pretty sure almost every general or full colonel I have ever seen has a meritorious service cross or medal.  Not that I am sure they don't deserve it as I am sure they worked hard for it but it says something about the awards system when these awards are ranked higher in precedence than medal of military valour and medal of bravery. 

On another note I know some of the people up on that list and well they are all deserving so congrats

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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2011, 00:44:09 »
Your comment implies that the precedence has been set by those Generals in order to "pad their resumes."  In fact, the order of precedence of orders, decorations was authorized by Order in Council, under P.C. 1998-591, April 2, 1998.

Hate to nit-pick, but I wouldn't want to pass a fault.... 8)
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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2011, 00:53:10 »
I was in response to the comment about meritorious service cross being higher in precedence than medals of military valor or merit.  I am pretty sure almost every general or full colonel I have ever seen has a meritorious service cross or medal.  Not that I am sure they don't deserve it as I am sure they worked hard for it but it says something about the awards system when these awards are ranked higher in precedence than medal of military valour and medal of bravery. 

On another note I know some of the people up on that list and well they are all deserving so congrats

You mean like the RSMs that submit their COs and the COs that submit their RSMs?

And then we have a flurry of OMMs and MMMs

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Not implying anyone from your list, of course, just that it happens.

Sorry for the tangent :salute:
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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2011, 00:53:56 »
My original point was that I thought all valour awards went before meritorious service awards as groupings, as opposed to the actual precedence of most crosses, be they for valour, bravery OR meritorious service, before medals.  It had nothing to do with rank of recipient.

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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2011, 01:01:24 »
My original point was that I thought all valour awards went before meritorious service awards as groupings, as opposed to the actual precedence of most crosses, be they for valour, bravery OR meritorious service, before medals.  It had nothing to do with rank of recipient.

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Sorry G2G,

And I apologize for the tangent if it somehow detracted from you're post.

It was totally unrelated and not meant to be an addendum.

I just have a tendency, after knowing numerous recipients, their backgrounds, what they did during their career and how they got there, of having somewhat of a jaundiced eye.

When I see them getting said awards.
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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2011, 01:08:11 »
Recceguy, not related to you, but more to those to whom PPCLI Guy was referring.

I don't disagree with you at all that sometimes there seems to be a bit of top-level writing up going on.  One of the biggest challenges I have had in my past positions has been getting "the system" to give as much apparent consideration to my subordinates way down the ladder when it comes to recognition...still trying to press a subordinate's nomination for an award years (and two postings) later.  It's hard when it's for "body of work" type recognition and not a specific event or achievement.  Frustrating.  :-\

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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2011, 14:03:30 »
Let's see if I can clarify a few things here.  Honours from the Crown (which they all are) are broken down into three basic groups:  Orders, Decorations and Medals.

1) Orders are societies of merit.  Individuals are not "awarded" orders, but rather are inducted into them.  The "medal" (more correctly referred to as the insignia) that inductee receives at the investiture is not the award itself, but rather a badge signifying membership.  Generally, membership in an order signifies a lifetime of achievement.  Thus you don't see too many corporals who are members of the Order of Military Merit (it has happened though).  Membership in orders is generally limited.

2)  Decorations are awarded for individual acts of bravery, valour or merit (do not confuse the Order of Military Merit with the Meritorious Service Cross or the Meritorious Service Medal).  There is no limit to the number of individuals that can be decorated.

3)  Medals are awarded to anyone who meets specific criteria (e.g. participates in a mission.

Don't be confused by the names of the individual awards.  For example, the Medal of Military Valour, the Medal of Bravery and the Meritorious Service Medal are actually decorations.  The Canadian Forces Decoration (CD) is a special case in that strictly speaking, it is a medal by definition and treated as such in the order of precedence; however, it is classed as a decoration, largely because the King George VI (who established it) decided to make it so.

Orders and Decorations (including the CD) carry the right to post-nominal letters and the inclusion of the insignia and/or motto (orders only) on personal coats of arms.  The highest ranks within the orders also carry the right to supporters (the animals or people holding the shield) on coats of arms.

The order of precedence for wear is shown here: http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhr-ddhr/chc-tdh/index-eng.asp, but in general terms is:  VC, CV, Orders, Decorations and then, Medals.  There are are variety of criteria used to determine where each award fits in the order of precedence (including date of establishment), but it is not correct to say that all bravery/valour awards come before other awards.

The CANFORGEN announces awards in the order of precedence, but the presentations at Rideau Hall are not.  At Rideau Hall they are grouped into Valour and Meritorious Service in order to simplify the program.  Inductions into Orders and the presentation of Decorations are never held at the same time
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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2011, 15:07:36 »
Pusser, thanks for that.  You may not have thought so, but you outlined it in a very clear and understandable (for me, anyway) manner.  BZ.

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The CANFORGEN announces awards in the order of precedence, but the presentations at Rideau Hall are not.  At Rideau Hall they are grouped into Valour and Meritorious Service in order to simplify the program.

This must have been why I had a difference impression of the precedence issue.

Thanks for helping to clear this up.

Regards
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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2011, 15:12:04 »
FYI:

A more complete order of precedence is found here:

http://www.gg.ca/document.aspx?id=71


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Re: Honours and Awards
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2011, 15:41:33 »
And slightly less complete, but much more visual:
DH&R - Canadian Honours Chart

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Saskatoon Soldier gets lifesaving award
« Reply #67 on: November 16, 2011, 03:19:58 »
http://www.ckom.com/story/saskatoon-man-awarded-pilot-rescue/31920

In April a plane crashed on a Saskatoon road, the news reported that a CF member, who happened to be driving past when he saw it happen, was the first responder on the scene. This was now published.

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Corporal Hrycuik honoured for the second time after risking his life to save others
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First Posted: Nov 15, 2011 4:06pm | Last Updated: Nov 15, 2011 7:16pm

Corporal Matthew Hrycuik has been awarded the Gold Life Saving Award on Tuesday night at Hugh Cairns Armouries, for saving two pilots from the Furgo plane that crashed into the sound barrier wall on Wanuskewin Road on April 1.

Hrycuik was nominated for the most prestigious honour given by St. John Ambulance by its former president Don McDonald.

"It shows what they're able to do, and a young guy like that needs to be recognized," said McDonald.

The twin-engine geological surveying plane went down at 51st and Warman. An Ontario man, 47-year-old Iaroslav Gorokhovski, was killed.

Cpl. Hrycuik saved a 42-year-old pilot and a 57-year-old co-pilot, who were injured in the crash.

In June, the Transportation Safety Board confirmed the right engine broke down. The cause of the engine failure is still under investigation.

Hrycuik was given a commendation for saving Afghan soldiers after an accidental bunker explosion in 2008.

Click the link to see videos of the aftermath
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Re: Saskatoon Soldier gets lifesaving award
« Reply #68 on: November 16, 2011, 06:11:31 »
Good job, Cpl. Hrycuik!
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CPL Winston Matheson awarded NS Medal Of Bravery...
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Re: CPL Winston Matheson awarded NS Medal Of Bravery...
« Reply #70 on: November 16, 2011, 19:57:37 »
We have a thread on that MVC.
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Re: CPL Winston Matheson awarded NS Medal Of Bravery...
« Reply #71 on: November 16, 2011, 20:00:25 »
Way to go Winnie!!  Congratulations my friend  :salute:

http://gov.ns.ca/news/smr/2011-11-16-Bravery-Medals/

Wow, well done Cpl Matheson!  Amazing people, all the recipients!  :salute:


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Re: Saskatoon Soldier gets lifesaving award
« Reply #72 on: November 16, 2011, 22:04:56 »
Congratulations, Cpl.Hrycuik! Well done. Ubique
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Re: CPL Winston Matheson awarded NS Medal Of Bravery...
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2011, 22:05:56 »
Congratulations, Cpl.Matheson! Well done. Ubique
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Re: CPL Winston Matheson awarded NS Medal Of Bravery...
« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2011, 22:38:44 »
WOw way to go Winston...I never knew.

Just a bit of background Winston and I were in 2 NSH together.
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