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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #175 on: May 08, 2018, 21:11:04 »
Your second opinion is the appeal. Good luck.

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #176 on: May 08, 2018, 22:47:12 »
Hi there,
Yes I initially thought that the appeal would be the second opinion but the signature at the end of my first rejection and my appeal letter seem to be from the same person, I was wondering if there was anyway to directly ask for a different medical officer to review my case?
Recruiting Center: Toronto
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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #177 on: June 10, 2018, 04:39:03 »
I hope everyone can cross their fingers wish me luck pray and anything else you can think of as it has been since March of 2017 I am on my 3rd appeal to get in the military and start and finish my career with them I am 49 5 10 205 been going to gym last 3 years healthy strong and have 25 years in IT experience the reason I am constantly getting rejected I told them I have headaches which were a minor thing but since I went to a neurologist they believe I have a chronic issue which i don’t. My last appeal may 4 2018 which is my 2nd so hopefully third time is lucky as all I desire is to serve my country and finish off my career with the military, I have all paperwork and a second neurologist confirming there is nothing wrong with me. I have had 4 complete medical in the last 1.5 years and have spent thousands of dollars preparing myself mentally physically and spiritually for a life in the Canadian Army and I am hoping I can get in the next BMQ which I asked and the said would be starting end of June early July 2018 as basic training is so much easier in summer than winter and I love the heat, if anyone has advice recommendations or anything else let me know, please PM me.

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #178 on: June 10, 2018, 06:29:02 »
You may want to remove your cell from your post and people can just PM you for it... I dont trust the internet.

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #179 on: February 12, 2019, 19:12:22 »
Has anyone ever successfully appealed being deemed medically unfit to join the Canadian Forces? I am extremely healthy/fit and have no idea why they made this decision...It seems like they made a mistake.  I won't know the reason why until I get a letter in 3-4 months (what a joke)

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #180 on: February 12, 2019, 19:24:59 »
Has anyone ever successfully appealed being deemed medically unfit to join the Canadian Forces?

You may find this discussion of Medical Appeals of interest,

Medical Rejected - Now what? [Merged]
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,22935.150.html
7 pages.

Medical appeal
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca++medical+appeal&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gws_rd=ssl
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 23:10:44 by mariomike »

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #181 on: February 12, 2019, 19:39:13 »
Has anyone ever successfully appealed being deemed medically unfit to join the Canadian Forces? I am extremely healthy/fit and have no idea why they made this decision...It seems like they made a mistake.  I won't know the reason why until I get a letter in 3-4 months (what a joke)

What, exactly, is the joke? That you’re not at the top of their priority list in terms of receiving further correspondence while they continue to review hundreds of application processes? Or that you don’t know why you were rejected? Or both?

I understand your frustration and confusion, but if you are successful in your appeal (and if you honestly have absolutely zero inkling as to why you were found medically unfit, then I’d encourage you to appeal) you need to be aware that very, very little occurs quickly in the Forces. As well, calling anything related to the CAF “a joke” before you’re even in is disrespectful and arrogant.

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #182 on: February 12, 2019, 19:53:34 »
The "joke" is that they can email me instead of sending a letter months down the road.  Let's communicate a little more efficiently you know?

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #183 on: February 12, 2019, 20:04:35 »
The "joke" is that they can email me instead of sending a letter months down the road.  Let's communicate a little more efficiently you know?

Medical info is considered confidential and not send via email.
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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #184 on: February 12, 2019, 20:12:12 »
Ah ok that makes a little more sense.  Guess I'll hurry up and wait lol.

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #185 on: February 13, 2019, 04:53:22 »
Having to wait three or four months, especially if the person does not know the exact reason for the deferral is not what I would call good service. If he is wanting to Appeal this finding if it is allowed then he needs those records sooner then later. Everything he has done is considered time sensitive.
I would be frustrated and a bit let down. especially since they have no answer at the center and are saying to appeal it with no further info.
One avenue you have is to put in a Freedom Of Information Act Request about your information. Be specific with dates and times and name/ positions of those involved.  They have to respond within 30day and  you usually have your information shortly after that time limit.
Be aware some of the geniuses think this is a bad thing to do, it might offend one of those people who feel offended about every and anything if the ball doesnt fall straight in the basket.
Another thing is it might tie up your official records longer to get to you because now they have to gain access and then copy them for you.

it is another avenue to take and you might get your information quicker,


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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #186 on: February 13, 2019, 10:33:06 »
Having to wait three or four months, especially if the person does not know the exact reason for the deferral is not what I would call good service. If he is wanting to Appeal this finding if it is allowed then he needs those records sooner then later. Everything he has done is considered time sensitive.
I would be frustrated and a bit let down. especially since they have no answer at the center and are saying to appeal it with no further info.
One avenue you have is to put in a Freedom Of Information Act Request about your information. Be specific with dates and times and name/ positions of those involved.  They have to respond within 30day and  you usually have your information shortly after that time limit.
Be aware some of the geniuses think this is a bad thing to do, it might offend one of those people who feel offended about every and anything if the ball doesnt fall straight in the basket.
Another thing is it might tie up your official records longer to get to you because now they have to gain access and then copy them for you.
it is another avenue to take and you might get your information quicker,

Before I begin, I'd like to point out I am both a frequent user of the ATI and Privacy (ATIP) Process in the course of investigations, and have had myself and my work the subject of numerous ATI requests, so I'm somewhat familiar with the process.

Freedom of Information Access to Information does not include ones own personal medical records. The applicant would need to file a request pursuant to the Privacy Act. Luckily, the process is nearly identical, except you don't have to pay a fee when it concerns the Privacy Act (as those records apply only to the party requesting them). For example, I cannot request your service records under the Privacy Act as a lay person.
 
This is where you can make a request pursuant to the Privacy Act. If it's an open or ongoing issue, I doubt you will receive anything until the issue is resolved (ie you are processed, rejected, or your appeal(s) are concluded). The ideal timeline is 30 days, however there are too many factors to count as to why that often isn't so. I would not throw all my chickens in the basket of getting your information within 30 days.

Lastly, I don't want to give the impression I'm encouraging or discouraging you from submitting an ATIP request. I don't work in recruiting, but I imagine their operational tempo is high. I don't think anyone is unprofessional enough to want to cause your application harm further down the road because you ATIP'd yourself, but I've been surprised by ATIP findings plenty in recent days.

As a note of personal advice to the OP, if you have a medical issue significant enough to warrant your application being rejected, and you really truly don't know about it, I would strongly consider booking an appointment with your doctor.
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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #187 on: February 13, 2019, 12:08:47 »
When I was applying I was medically rejected and appealed it successfully. Long story short, the CF decided I still had a medical condition I suffered from as a child even though I did not. The process of appealing it was long and drawn out and if you don't give the CF everything the ask for it further draws out the process and can still result in a rejection.
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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #188 on: February 13, 2019, 12:19:13 »
Ah ok that makes a little more sense.  Guess I'll hurry up and wait lol.

Having to wait three or four months, especially if the person does not know the exact reason for the deferral is not what I would call good service. If he is wanting to Appeal this finding if it is allowed then he needs those records sooner then later. Everything he has done is considered time sensitive.
I would be frustrated and a bit let down. especially since they have no answer at the center and are saying to appeal it with no further info.
One avenue you have is to put in a Freedom Of Information Act Request about your information. Be specific with dates and times and name/ positions of those involved.  They have to respond within 30day and  you usually have your information shortly after that time limit.
Be aware some of the geniuses think this is a bad thing to do, it might offend one of those people who feel offended about every and anything if the ball doesnt fall straight in the basket.
Another thing is it might tie up your official records longer to get to you because now they have to gain access and then copy them for you.

it is another avenue to take and you might get your information quicker,

It won't take 3-4 months to receive the letter that states you are medically unfit for service.

The day they make the ruling, the letter goes into the mail.

You'll get in about 2-3 weeks.
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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #189 on: February 13, 2019, 15:04:47 »
It won't take 3-4 months to receive the letter that states you are medically unfit for service.

The day they make the ruling, the letter goes into the mail.

You'll get in about 2-3 weeks.
And this is based on what exactly? Your extensive experience working in that office?

Even IF this is based on personal experience, where you actually received a similar letter, does not mean that will be the OP's experience. You have zero intimate knowledge of his case, don't go around giving false hopes when he has been given a specific timeline by someone who has actual knowledge of what they had been told to pass on...

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #190 on: March 15, 2019, 03:57:48 »
Hi,

First of all, thank you for your time, I will try to make a long story short.

In september 2017, just before I turn 30, I quited smoking both cigaret and cannabis. I was smoking both since 2004. I did stop overnight, eithout help of any sort and without going back.

I submitted my application in november 2017. I did pass the aptitude test and have been totally honnest on the drug and alcool consumption survey so, I got an email saying I need to wait a year before I can try again. So I did.

In September 2018, I tried again and got my medical appointment on December 14 2018. The medical officer told me that everything was in order but to go on in with my demand I needed to consult a psychologist to confirm that I'm not addicted to cannabis and that I am able to handle stress and pressure. So I did. One month later, I submitted the report from the psychologist who stated that I am not addicted and that I do can handle stress.

3 month later I received a letter stating that I am refused due to my earlier repeated and frequent cannabis consumption. Yes I was smoking often and sometimes multiple time a day but only after work and also, the quantity never been asked...I was smoking often but really small quantities. The letter state that I can ask for a medical file revision and that I should be stating which aspect of my refusal I disagree with. So I did. I wrote a whole page about the fact that I know I made bad decision in the past but that those thing are behind me and that I am fully committed to join the forces and follow the rules. Plus, it is the only stain in my folder. I have never been arrested for anything, never did nothing specially wrong, I was just a cannabis smoker. Also, even as a smoker I was doing sports regularly so I am still in a good shape. (I did practice for the F.O.R.C.E test and beat the minimum easily)

Then I went to the recruitment centre to give the letter and ask for advice. I have been told that without documents from a specialist, my demand will most likely wont change anything. So I asked what should I do? Should I go get another report from another psychologist or is it useless? No one seemed to know as they can't acces my medical folder. They said try and see, it's the best way to know...

So my he's my question: is there a way to know if I am and will be refused for good? I don't really want to spend another 350$ for a psychologist report stating the exact same thing as the first one but I totally will if there is the slightest chance it will work. Someone don't just decide to join the CAF at 30 without being totally serious about it and I think that with all the time and effort I have put in it, even after 2 refusal, I have shown that my choice is made and I am really commited to be part of the CAF.

I just think that it is a bit sad that I am refused because of something I don't do anymore and is now totally legal. I can't stop thinking that someone dishonest with the same background as me would probably have been accepted.

Thank you very much and sorry for my broken English, I'm a french Canadian.

Joey Côté


edits: fixing typos...
« Last Edit: March 15, 2019, 09:10:35 by JoeyC »
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Applied: November 8, 2017
First contact: November 15, 2017
CFAT: December 5 2017 (Passed)
Medical: - November 14, 2018 (asked for professional review)
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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #191 on: March 15, 2019, 07:38:30 »
The letter state that I can ask for a medical file revision and that I should be stating which aspect of my refusal I disagree with.

You may find this discussion of interest,

Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=22935.0
8 pages.

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #192 on: March 15, 2019, 08:56:52 »
Thank you for your reply!

I totally understand that this forum is not official and I know that answer or advice i get here must be taken with a grain of salt.
I was just seeking advice and thought that it would be the best place to find someone who is in the same boat as me or saw/heard similar story.
That said, I have read the whole other post and what is bugging me, is:

- That I already saw professionals who stated that I'm OK, I have already proven that I am not addicted.
- There is no precise statement on what should be fixed, just stating that I don't fit the standard because I was using (now legal) drug.
- The recruiting officers had no clues on what was the best way to do.

It seems that other people either haven't seen a professional prior to the letter, got some sort clear statement telling them what to fix or had or have had health problem of some sort.

I just don't get why I'm refused. I am healthy and doing sports, do not have any medical problem, do not need to be followed by any expert for anything and I am honnest.

One thing I asked the at the recruitment centre was if I am limited to one appeal and they couldn't tell me for sure. If I can send my letter stating why I think they are wrong about my medical requirements and then, if it fail, send an official report from a professional, I would do it this way and try to save some money.

I understand that it's always better to do it once but do it right, but since I have been waiting for 1.5 year while taking only short therm work contracts and hoping I'd get a call, money is quite scarce at the moment.

Thanks again, much appreciated!

JoeyC
Recruiting Centre: Montreal
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: NCM
Trade Choice 1: Communication and Information Systems Specialist
Trade Choice 2: Combat Engineer
Applied: November 8, 2017
First contact: November 15, 2017
CFAT: December 5 2017 (Passed)
Medical: - November 14, 2018 (asked for professional review)
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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #193 on: March 15, 2019, 09:02:05 »
Thank you for your reply!

Thanks again, much appreciated!

JoeyC

You are welcome. Good luck. :)

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #194 on: March 18, 2019, 20:33:15 »
So, basically after a month or running in circles, no one really knows or can say what would be (in average) the threshold or if my appeal even got a chance. I just got a letter from my family physician stating I don't need medical support/attention/care whatsoever and that there is no case of addiction in my family. I will submit that with my appeal. I am currently trying to find a psychologist willing to consult me but so far, just like last time, as soon as I mention the CAF they don't want to do it. Last time I called 23 of them before I found one willing to fill the sheet given at medical test. I don't know why psychologist are afraid to make documents that will be submitted to CAF but I can assure you that it is very real and starting to get annoying. I will keep this post updated when there will be changes so others with similar background will be able to have a base line.

Have a nice day.

Edit: I have been told by a psychologist the maybe a criminologist could do it. Anyone know if this would be relevant? (Bit "it" a mean a report stating that I have no chance of relapse.)
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Recruiting Centre: Montreal
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Officer/NCM: NCM
Trade Choice 1: Communication and Information Systems Specialist
Trade Choice 2: Combat Engineer
Applied: November 8, 2017
First contact: November 15, 2017
CFAT: December 5 2017 (Passed)
Medical: - November 14, 2018 (asked for professional review)
Medical2: - February 19, 2019 : Deemend unfit by Ottawa (Professional review ignored...)
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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #195 on: April 29, 2019, 09:53:39 »
Good Morning Army.ca,

I am looking for advice and direction with a problem that hit me like a ton of brinks, I was deemed "Unfit For Service"

Background - I originally applied to the forces in August 2016, I did my CFAT and moved onto the next step being the prior drug usage.. and that's where this starts.

I wasn't the best kid and I consumed my fair share of cannabis. I then realized what I wanted to do with my life and applied to the Forces so I stopped and applied.
I was told I had to be "clean" for a year, so I returned in a year.

After jumping through hoop after hoop and signing and filling out form after form it took another year, but I finally got my medical and passed.

A week later I get a call saying I need to get one more thing filled out and submitted. I had to get my Family Doctor to fill out a form about drug abuse, considering I had been sober for two years at this point, I thought nothing of it they were covering their bases. I submitted it a week later.

No, I was wrong. A little over two months pass and I haven't heard anything, so I decide to go in and talk with a recruiter. Who then informs me that a different Medical Officer took over my file and deemed that I was now "Unfit For Service" due to whatever he decided. 

My file permanently reads Drug Abuse Disorder.

I have been struggling and weighing my options for the past few months, having come to a decision, I plan on making an appeal and pursuing this career.

It has been Three Years I am sober and Cannabis is now legal, but here I am, while the Army is struggling, looking for people, Unfit for Service.


My question is what do I do?
How do I go about appealing this?
Will this affect me if I do appeal and get in?

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #196 on: June 06, 2019, 18:28:21 »
When I got a letter from the rmo, they rejected me because I have symptoms of asthma after the age of 13. But my asthma is so minor that I have played two hockey and junior hockey, I can run, bike outside, I’ve dirt biked all my life and I havnt needed to carry a rescue inhaler since I was maybe 10 years old. Further to that, I don’t even take my asthma medication anymore and I have a letter from a medical doctor saying that I am not asthmatic and the results of a pulmonary function test to prove it. I sent that all in with my application and got turned away because of asthma. I got upset and threw out the letter and now I have no idea how to appeal the decision. How do I start this process ?

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #197 on: June 24, 2019, 17:49:59 »
Hello!
I have the same inquiry. I received the letter saying I was rejected because of Iron deficiency. But I have copy of my lab reports and my Doctor told me my number is not Iron deficient. The appeal instruction on the letter is to submit for consideration new pertinent medical information. I want to know what exactly is the process of appealing? Do I have to submit new blood works? Is there an official form that should be filled out by my doctor to detail or explain my lab results?
Please help. Thanks!


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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #198 on: July 03, 2019, 13:26:56 »
Does anyone have a PDF copy of the forms needed for medical appeal? Can someone send me a copy?
Thanks

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Re: Appeal of Enrollment Medical [Merged]
« Reply #199 on: July 03, 2019, 14:08:02 »
Does anyone have a PDF copy of the forms needed for medical appeal? Can someone send me a copy?
Thanks

Just what are your going to appeal?  This answer was pretty clear:
I think your options are limited. You have to improve your unaided vision somehow and the only way to do that is through Lasik. So it's either lasik or no CF.
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