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Re: Drawdown in Afghanistan
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2020, 14:33:19 »
Just in time for the election. Mission accomplished! Afghanistan is safe again! Thank you Mr. President. You're back to the numbers from when you started your term.

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Re: Drawdown in Afghanistan
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2020, 19:13:51 »
Its not like a troop surge was required after the last President left early for purely political purposes by forcing Commanders to declare the Afghan Security Forces as fully capable of conducting independent operations. Source: Personally being told NATO Training Mission Afghanistan was moving my partnered school to 3B (Able to conduct independent training under minimal mentorship) by Summer 2012 after the Afghan E8 I was partnered with told me HF radios were magic. Mission Accomplished: If you move the yardsticks, you can accomplish anything including abandoning a country we had a duty to fix after invading it.

In case you missed it: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2012/05/01/president-obama-ending-war-afghanistan

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Re: Drawdown in Afghanistan
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2020, 20:55:42 »
For the life of me I can't figure out what Obama doing a drawdown in May 2012 has to do with Trump's announcing one just before the election.

What I'm simply saying is that the timing of this announcement is pretty damn convenient considering that the surge Trump ordered was to get the Taliban to the table where he would negotiate the hell out of them. Last time I looked under the February deal the US was to, and did, draw down to 8,600 and would draw down the rest in 14 months if all security conditions met.

So far future talks between Kabul and the Taliban were only imminent so the announcement seems somewhat premature. Taliban attacks had increased in June and the prisoner exchange is somewhat bogged down. The three-day Eid cease-fire is now over.

All I'm saying is there was no trigger that would explain why 5,000 more troops should come out by November rather than next year as contemplated if the Taliban actually follow through. All one is left with is the timing of the election. I'm suspicious.

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Re: Drawdown in Afghanistan
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2020, 21:09:22 »
For the life of me I can't figure out what Obama doing a drawdown in May 2012 has to do with Trump's announcing one just before the election.

Thank you Mr. President. You're back to the numbers from when you started your term.

You made the link, I'm just pointing out with modern military experience why its a uninformed and biased assertion.

Edit: And just so I'm super clear here, my personal experience (having been deployed in both countries) is that Iraq and Afghanistan are not ready for us to depart, and any attempt over the last 15 years for us to do so has been shortsighted and thrown away the gains we've paid for in blood.
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Re: Drawdown in Afghanistan
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2020, 21:27:51 »
You made the link, I'm just pointing out with modern military experience why its a uninformed and biased assertion.

Edit: And just so I'm super clear here, my personal experience (having been deployed in both countries) is that Iraq and Afghanistan are not ready for us to depart, and any attempt over the last 15 years for us to do so has been shortsighted and thrown away the gains we've paid for in blood.

Actually I made no link to Obama (and especially not for 2012). All I said is Trump went up and now he's back down to the same number. Those are facts and not uniformed. I do admit to being biased. This man is a lying disaster who makes things up to suit himself. Just listen to him when he answers questions on Afghanistan. They're off the cuff and quite frankly I'm not so sure that 10 seconds before this sequence that there actually was a plan to go down to 4,000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY&feature=youtu.be&t=1220

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Re: Drawdown in Afghanistan
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2020, 21:47:44 »
So we've come to the conclusion that this President, and the last President, and highly likely all political leaders after the Second World War have no testicular fortitude to see a conflict through to its proper strategic conclusion and will cut and run to score political points whenever possible.

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Re: Drawdown in Afghanistan
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2020, 22:11:38 »
19 years of war and billions spent. Like the Russians before us at some point its time for the Afghans to stand on their own.