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Remembrance Day should be a National Holiday?

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Remembrance Day: National holiday?/"Veterans' Day"? (merged)
« on: November 08, 2004, 13:20:38 »
NATIONAL HONOUR FOR WAR DEAD

By BRETT CLARKSON - TORONTO SUN


A Toronto Liberal MP is calling on his fellow MPs to make Remembrance Day a national holiday. Dan McTeague, the MP for Pickering-Scarborough East, said entrenching Nov. 11 as a national holiday is a "no-brainer" because Canada needs a "firm and concrete testament" to the country's veterans and war dead.

"I think it's an excellent idea, an idea whose time has come," McTeague said. "And I would invite any backbench member of Parliament on the opposition or the government side to move a motion that November 11 be considered a national holiday."

McTeague's membership on the Privy Council prevents him from introducing bills in Parliament, so he's encouraging another MP to bring forward a Remembrance Day private member's bill.

"Here is an opportunity for an enterprising young member of Parliament of any political stripe," McTeague said. "I think there has to be some direction given to a formal, permanent and long-lasting tribute to our fallen comrades, who by land, air and sea, gave us the country we have today."

As it stands now, Remembrance Day is observed differently across the country because holidays have traditionally been a provincial matter. While some provinces have designated the day a statutory holiday, others, like Ontario, haven't.

Bloc Quebecois MP Andre Bellavance's refusal to provide Canadian flags to a Royal Canadian Legion in his riding is reason enough to emphasize Remembrance Day as a national holiday, McTeague said.

"The gesture of that one selfish member, that one twisted member of the Bloc, is probably a good reason we should look at a national holiday."

The Legion has said it doesn't advocate making the day a statutory holiday in the provinces where it isn't, as long as remembering the war dead remains the focus of the day.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/RemembranceDay/2004/11/08/705839.html






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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2004, 13:39:30 »
I'm all for it  :salute:
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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2004, 13:47:44 »
I was under the impression that it was a national holiday. Where isn't it ?
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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2004, 14:12:37 »
It is not a National holiday.

Some provinces have enacted legislation making it a provincial holiday.

The part that sucks about it is that all federal employees get the day off, with pay, so they get a "free" holiday that the average Canadian worker does not. 

Our National Holidays are:
New Years day
Good Friday
Victoria Day
Canada Day
Labour Day
Thanksgiving
Christmas Day; and
Boxing Day
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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2004, 15:16:10 »
I wouldn't mind it being a holiday in ON at all...  I had to move a course exam (scheduled for 11:30) to the afternoon so that I could attend the cenotaph ceremony with my unit...  :(

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2004, 15:35:17 »
An idea who's time has come. There are those who look at it as  another paid shopping day.
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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2004, 17:51:12 »
I actually think it's a bad idea to make it a national holiday. 

If you make it one people will just be happy that they have the day off of work and will forget what Remembrance Day is all about.

My $.02

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2004, 17:54:09 »
Boxing day is a national holiday?

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2004, 18:15:51 »
I actually think it's a bad idea to make it a national holiday.  

If you make it one people will just be happy that they have the day off of work and will forget what Remembrance Day is all about.

My $.02

I'm kind of curious as to how you figure giving people the time to attend a ceremony would make them less likely to do just that. How exactly does going about work like it's any other day set the day apart from every other day?

If Victoria day wasn't a holiday, I bet that even fewer kids would ask "what's Victoria day for?" and find out the answer. BC has Nov 11 as a holiday, and the cenotaph ceremony is one of the best attended events in my community, from the 90+ year-olds down to the infants (there's a lot of parents that bring their kids out   :salute:). I'm positive that at least half of those people would not be able to be there (nor be there with their kids to explain what's going on) if it wasn't a holiday. The boss just wouldn't let them take the time off, and the kids would be in school, which may or may not have a decent ceremony at 1100hrs.

I'd say it's worth a letter to my MP to support the idea.

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2004, 23:32:09 »
 As much as I would like to say it should be a holiday, I think people would treat it as a buck shee day off to sleep in.If you keep the kids in school and devote all school activities on Nov 11 to educating about remembrance, they will then have a much better understanding of november 11 th.Dont get me wrong, my kids will always be pulled out of school on nov 11 cause I can teach them better than some school marm ever could.
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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2004, 04:06:45 »
Better to leglislate that employers must give time to attend a Cenotaph service, much as they must give time to vote if required. Another day off will be treated just like that: another day off. I'm with the Legion on this one. Cheers.
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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2004, 09:07:09 »
I have no objection to making it a day off from work, but I really object to using the term "holiday" to describe this day. The word is defined as "a day of festivity or recreation when no work is done". I don't know what other word can be used, but I really don't like it being called a "holiday".

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2004, 11:01:53 »
It should be a day off for everyone, my brother works at the bank and where i work i think i'm the only one who stoped for our minute of silence at my work place , last year . i cant belive that boxing day is a holiday it show how much our government dosent care about our troops,not to mention underfunded! :cdn:

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2004, 11:23:45 »
I'm kind of curious as to how you figure giving people the time to attend a ceremony would make them less likely to do just that.

Because I think that the average person wouldn't use it to attend a memorial ceremony.  They would just use it as a free day off of work.

If everyone was going to go to a ceremony I would be all for the idea.

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2004, 11:33:43 »
You can't force things upon people. The only thing you can do is give the ones who are interested the option. Right now since its not a national holiday, some people who are interested, don't have the option.

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2004, 15:34:31 »
i think if some ones is going to go to a ceremony at all, they will find a way.

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2004, 18:55:46 »
What about designating another day some sort of national veterans day like Australia and New Zealand's ANZAC day?

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2004, 18:06:39 »
ah I'll be working it for at least the next 17 years, so it won't bother me either way.
but I ain't too sure if it should be a national holiday, I'm one of those fence sitters that all you people hate.
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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2004, 02:40:15 »
 Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that all provinces except Ontario and Quebec have Nov. 11 as a stat. day off work.  With the politics in Quebec I'm not susprized but whats up with Ontario. Before anyone tries to blame the current gov. lets not forget ALL 3 PARTIES have had a chance to change this and have done nothing. :rage:

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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2004, 16:25:20 »
Better to leglislate that employers must give time to attend a Cenotaph service, much as they must give time to vote if required. Another day off will be treated just like that: another day off. I'm with the Legion on this one. Cheers.

I totally agree.   I would bet the attendance at ceremonies would swell, as there would be no excuse whatsoever.


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Re: MP: Make Remembrance Day a holiday
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2004, 19:59:36 »
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that all provinces except Ontario and Quebec have Nov. 11 as a stat. day off work.   With the politics in Quebec I'm not surprised but whats up with Ontario. Before anyone tries to blame the current gov. lets not forget ALL 3 PARTIES have had a chance to change this and have done nothing. :rage:

There are indeed only the 2 provinces that don't have Nov 11th as a general holiday.  It really is too bad it has not yet been changed to a holiday.  I can agree that some would not use the holiday as intended, but what about all those who would?  I will be at the cenotaph either way.

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The Ongoing Debate About Making Remembrance Day a Holiday
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2006, 00:38:13 »
The online petition to have Remembrance Day declared a national holiday is gaining momentum.  There are currently over 200 signatures and it is growing at a rate of 20-30 a day.  We need to keep the ball rolling by spreading the word to everyone we know.  Let's keep the pressure on the government to do what is right.

http://www.petitiononline.com/nov11th/petition.html
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Re: Remembrance Day Petition Gaining Momentum
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2006, 07:55:11 »
Personally, I think its shameful that it isn't already a national holiday. 
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Re: Remembrance Day Petition Gaining Momentum
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2006, 08:02:03 »
Personally, I think its shameful that it isn't already a national holiday. 
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I think it's a shameful but quite indicative testament to our society that the death of a few females gunned down by a madman with a grudge (Polytechnique.. just wait for the Dawson thing to be a national "day of rememberance") is considered more important than the deaths of thousands of our soldiers.
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Re: Remembrance Day Petition Gaining Momentum
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2006, 08:59:22 »
Sadly, you're probably right.  Not to take anything away from the significance of that event, but I don't believe it had anything near the same level of impact to our country as a whole.  Remembering a specific event such as the murders at L'Ecole Polytechnic, while noble and very much necessary, is one thing.  Paying tribute to the thousands of people that built our nation's international reputation, and provided us with the freedoms and privileges we now enjoy (and often abuse) to me is on a totally different plateau, and should be recognized as such. 

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