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The RCN has its old rank titles and executive curl back.  What should be the next step for the CF rank structure?

Nothing.  The current rank system works, so leave it alone.
120 (58.5%)
Complete return to the pre-unification ranks of the 50s and early 60s.
40 (19.5%)
Complete return to post unification ranks of the 70s and early 80s.
1 (0.5%)
Officers only return to the pre-unification ranks of the 50s and early 60s.
9 (4.4%)
Copy the UK rank system - it is the prototype anyway.
17 (8.3%)
Copy the US rank system - they are the new colonial master.
2 (1%)
Create a whole new Canadian system.
8 (3.9%)
Lobby for standardized NATO rank insignia.
7 (3.4%)
Copy the French rank system - it is the other founding nation's turn
1 (0.5%)

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Author Topic: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation  (Read 2400253 times)

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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5825 on: January 23, 2018, 18:14:26 »
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5826 on: January 25, 2018, 12:42:04 »
The good news is, with this rolling out, the CF MP Gp has no reason to invent one.  Given the atrocity that is the CP Badge, I'm sure it would have been similarly gaudy and oversized.

 :o Hearsay! It's in the group orders that CP is not to be mocked!
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5827 on: February 09, 2018, 15:54:00 »
Well, it's not just us ...
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... now the US Army is going squirrelly over berets ... which makes me wonder if it isn't time for the numpties in charge of the Canadian Army's dress and ceremonial dithering to try and get their "leading change" score a bit higher and get rid of the berets for everyone except the RCAC and parachute units and bring back the World War II field service caps which came in a dazzling variety of colour schemes. 
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5828 on: February 09, 2018, 18:51:16 »
Well, it's not just us ...
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... now the US Army is going squirrelly over berets ... which makes me wonder if it isn't time for the numpties in charge of the Canadian Army's dress and ceremonial dithering to try and get their "leading change" score a bit higher and get rid of the berets for everyone except the RCAC and parachute units and bring back the World War II field service caps which came in a dazzling variety of colour schemes.

 :o

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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5829 on: February 09, 2018, 21:13:09 »
Well, it's not just us ...
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... now the US Army is going squirrelly over berets ... which makes me wonder if it isn't time for the numpties in charge of the Canadian Army's dress and ceremonial dithering to try and get their "leading change" score a bit higher and get rid of the berets for everyone except the RCAC and parachute units and bring back the World War II field service caps which came in a dazzling variety of colour schemes.

Don't give them ideas.
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5830 on: February 09, 2018, 21:32:19 »
Well, it's not just us ...
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... now the US Army is going squirrelly over berets ... which makes me wonder if it isn't time for the numpties in charge of the Canadian Army's dress and ceremonial dithering to try and get their "leading change" score a bit higher and get rid of the berets for everyone except the RCAC and parachute units and bring back the World War II field service caps which came in a dazzling variety of colour schemes.

The Cap, Peaked, Winter - aka C.nt Cap - would dazzle in green.

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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5831 on: February 09, 2018, 22:47:17 »
Let's just go to Russian style forage caps if we're just trying to look silly.

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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5832 on: February 10, 2018, 07:42:14 »
Let's just go to Russian style forage caps if we're just trying to look silly.

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Or the North Korean ones ... ... just imagine your favourite general wearing that!
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5833 on: February 10, 2018, 07:54:02 »
But just imagine the fun we could have when every regiment and corps and branch had its own (often multi-coloured) cap with additional bits of coloured braid for warrant officers and colonels and generals ...



... imagine RSMs having brain seizures in units with Signals and Medical and Log and RCEME and god alone knows what else soldiers!

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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5834 on: February 10, 2018, 10:37:01 »
But just imagine the fun we could have when every regiment and corps and branch had its own (often multi-coloured) cap with additional bits of coloured braid for warrant officers and colonels and generals ...



... imagine RSMs having brain seizures in units with Signals and Medical and Log and RCEME and god alone knows what else soldiers!

They'd be having more than just seizures I think - they would be need implanted defibrillators...reminds me of when I first got to 2RCR and we had to Troop the Colours - no RCAF/RCN folks allowed, JV wanted a sea of green folks (or red if you ended up in the Escort/Grenadier guard).  Myself and another medic ended up in India Coy's guard - we had a third one from the UMS, but he got tossed when the CSM noted a blue beret.  I ended up dead centre of the parade frontage with Jon Vance staring/glaring at the throwing star on my rack instead of my head.  Don't get me going about the silliness that ensued the day of the dress rehearsal when people saw my medals - the Order of St John was throwing a few of them off for some reason.

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« Reply #5835 on: February 10, 2018, 10:41:36 »
But Logistiks would be over the moon supplying all the required colours, variations and sizes.  A virtual gold mine for them.

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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5836 on: February 12, 2018, 09:16:35 »

Or the North Korean ones ... ... just imagine your favourite general wearing that!

Ahh, but so useful! You could keep your lunch in it, or your shopping. If your troop transport overturns on the way to invade Japan or South Korea, you have a life preserver! Use it as a washbasin! Or, considering NK's new role as Everybody's Winter Olympics Friend, use it for downhill snow-tubing!!

Ohh, those North Koreans! What will they think of next?
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5837 on: February 12, 2018, 10:26:27 »
But Logistiks would be over the moon supplying all the required colours, variations and sizes.  A virtual gold mine for them.

Wait for it...
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« Reply #5838 on: October 16, 2019, 15:26:39 »
The next generation is here! One of my newly posted in HRA clerks from the school saw a picture of me in my Pers file.  It was an old picture with me wearing the old cbts and the rank stripes for Officers. He asked when did I change from the RCAF to the Army. I said that I have always been in the Army. He had a confused look on his face and then he showed me the picture.  I spent a couple of minutes explaining the old rank structure to him, telling him how all Officers, regardless of environment, wore the same rank insignia. He found the old Officer's rank insignia unusual.  I am getting used to it now, although I still find it jarring to belong to the RCLS instead of the Log Branch.  I guess that too shall past.

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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5839 on: October 16, 2019, 16:22:40 »
The next generation is here! One of my newly posted in HRA clerks from the school saw a picture of me in my Pers file.  It was an old picture with me wearing the old cbts and the rank stripes for Officers. He asked when did I change from the RCAF to the Army. I said that I have always been in the Army. He had a confused look on his face and then he showed me the picture.  I spent a couple of minutes explaining the old rank structure to him, telling him how all Officers, regardless of environment, wore the same rank insignia. He found the old Officer's rank insignia unusual.  I am getting used to it now, although I still find it jarring to belong to the RCLS instead of the Log Branch.  I guess that too shall past.

Just wait until people forget that the AF had "Private" as a rank with one chevron.
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5840 on: October 16, 2019, 23:32:11 »
The next generation is here! One of my newly posted in HRA clerks from the school saw a picture of me in my Pers file.  It was an old picture with me wearing the old cbts and the rank stripes for Officers. He asked when did I change from the RCAF to the Army. I said that I have always been in the Army. He had a confused look on his face and then he showed me the picture.  I spent a couple of minutes explaining the old rank structure to him, telling him how all Officers, regardless of environment, wore the same rank insignia. He found the old Officer's rank insignia unusual.  I am getting used to it now, although I still find it jarring to belong to the RCLS instead of the Log Branch.  I guess that too shall past.

Kind of like the looks I get when wearing highly polished Mk3 combat boots then...
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5841 on: October 16, 2019, 23:45:47 »
Kind of like the looks I get when wearing highly polished Mk3 combat boots then...

Pshaw.  I have a pair of Mk3 boots with the last 3 of my SIN written in them.
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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5842 on: October 17, 2019, 07:17:58 »
Kind of like the looks I get when wearing highly polished Mk3 combat boots then...

Mk3s w Vibram sole were my best boot (with my SIN written inside, just like grandpa dapaterson). ;D

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Re: "Re-Royalization", "Re-Britification" and the Heritage Transformation
« Reply #5843 on: October 17, 2019, 08:26:21 »
Mk3s w Vibram sole were my best boot (with my SIN written inside, just like grandpa dapaterson). ;D
Explanation for the youngin's*…. that's Social Insurance Number, which was used before Service Numbers came around.


* In case anyone thought people would actually write "greed," "sloth," "bestiality" in their boots.   :whistle:


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« Reply #5844 on: October 17, 2019, 15:42:32 »
You forgot “stuck in dark corner of the Internet...” ;D

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« Reply #5845 on: October 17, 2019, 17:36:05 »
You forgot “stuck in dark corner of the Internet...” ;D
We both  know we had Mk 3's well before the internet, so it wouldn't have been included amongst our potential "sins"


Aside:  thinking about this today, how many younger/civie people even know about their SIN.... let alone could recite it without pause?
[You old folks are doing it in your head right now, aren't you?    :nod:  ]

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« Reply #5846 on: October 17, 2019, 17:38:35 »
. . .  "bestiality" in their boots.   :whistle:

I heard you needed special boots for that.
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« Reply #5847 on: October 17, 2019, 17:53:57 »
We both  know we had Mk 3's well before the internet, so it wouldn't have been included amongst our potential "sins"


Aside:  thinking about this today, how many younger/civie people even know about their SIN.... let alone could recite it without pause?
[You old folks are doing it in your head right now, aren't you?    :nod:  ] OR ELSE!!!

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« Reply #5848 on: October 17, 2019, 23:50:49 »
My SIN and my first C1A1...6L1776

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« Reply #5849 on: October 18, 2019, 10:39:05 »
I still have a new unused pair of Mk3’s
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