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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2009, 10:03:41 »
You may also want to look at the new CF Leave Policy Manual.  Do a search, I believe there is a link to it on this forum.

When on MATA or PATA you will also lose 2 days annual for each full month you are on said leave.  (ie, if you normally get 25 days annual a year and you are on PATA from 01 Jul to 31 Aug, you annual leave entitlement will be reduced by 4 for that fiscal year)

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2011, 11:08:17 »
I am presently on PATA leave until the end of May. My EXPRES test expires on 18 Mar and I was curious if there were any regulations that would prevent me from going in and doing my test - or if there are liability issues if I get injured while doing it (unlikely, but CYA).

As I am on PATA I don't have access to the DIN, was just hoping someone might be able to shed some light on this.

Many thanks.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2011, 12:08:34 »
If you call your local PSP staff, I'm sure they've heard of this before and can point you in the right direction.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2011, 12:10:23 »
Geez, that's a good one.  You get a star for asking a question that's probably not been asked already!   ;D

There are a few policies in play here.  You can only be recalled from PATA/MATA leave for an "imperative military requirement".  DAOD 5001-2 lists examples of valid "imperative military requirements", such as:

- a house hunting trip under QR&O article 209.832, House Hunting Trip;

- travelling time provided under QR&O Chapter 209, Transportation and Travelling Expenses for a posting;

- Special Leave (Relocation) (CANFORGEN 054/99 ADM(HR-Mil) 042 181807Z Jun 99); and

- the period of time taken prior to a posting to complete out clearance, normally not more than one or two days.


My guess is that a CO would have a hard time justifying that an Expres test is an imperative military requirement.

As for doing the test while on LWOP - you aren't allowed to participate in the CF Sports program while on LWOP for liability reasons, therefore I would guess that the same would apply to the Expres test.

End result?  I'm willing to bet you'll end up with a "not tested" dot on your PER, with the requisite explanatory statement in the narrative.

Have you checked with the PSP staff?  Your chain of command?

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2011, 12:15:45 »
End result?  I'm willing to bet you'll end up with a "not tested" dot on your PER, with the requisite explanatory statement in the narrative.

Have you checked with the PSP staff?  Your chain of command?

If he has been on PATA for an extended period of time, he will no doubt get a PERX and there is no dot for fitness testing on the PERX form.
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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2011, 12:31:03 »
If he has been on PATA for an extended period of time, he will no doubt get a PERX and there is no dot for fitness testing on the PERX form.

Max parental leave is 37 weeks.  52-37 = 15 weeks, or just shy of four months reporting period. 

The CFPAS manual says "There is no defined minimum observation period for a CFPAS Annual PER. However, in those rare instances where observation is so limited as to render it impossible to accurately report upon a person's performance and potential, then the unit CO may consider rendering a PER Exemption."

In practice, is 4 months too short a period to accurately report on performance?  Tough call.  If the OP took less than 37 weeks leave, it becomes an even tougher call.  It's only two points, though.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2011, 12:35:29 »
Thanks for the replies so far.

To clarify, my CoC is not telling me to come in and do it - my supervisor was just letting me know it was coming due and suggested I go do it if i could.

I have contacted PSP staff and am awaiting calls back from them and NRCC.

Will advise - thanks again for the replies.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2011, 13:00:53 »
Well I just returned last month from pata leave and was not allowed to do the expres test while on it.  I will have a PERX vice a PER.  15 weeks is not a long period to observe someone on a PER when you have 7 weeks prior and 8 weeks after the pata period.  If it was a case of having the 15 weeks in the reporting period all together then I could see maybe doing a PER.

Oh - in actual fact often the week prior to the start of PATA is a write off too as the baby is born prior to the PATA start date and the member takes leave for the remaining of the week.  This is as they start PATA leave on the Sunday following the the birth. So in my case instead of 7 weeks prior they actually had 6 weeks as we went to the hospital on Monday, birth was the Tue, leave Wed to Fri and PATA start Sun. Add that my supervisor for the two periods have changed and it becomes pretty hard to do a PER.
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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2011, 13:12:42 »
Yes, I see your point.  Agree completely.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2011, 14:47:24 »
Well I just returned last month from pata leave and was not allowed to do the expres test while on it.  I will have a PERX vice a PER.  15 weeks is not a long period to observe someone on a PER when you have 7 weeks prior and 8 weeks after the pata period. 

I suspect that NRCC and PSP will come back with much the same - especially given Occam's point that members on LWOP cannot participate in PSP Sports progammes.

I hope I don't get a PERX - I started PATA in late November so there are a good 7 3/4 months there....



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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2011, 19:14:58 »
CF Pers need to be on duty to conduct a CF ExPres test.  If you're on any kind of leave, you're not on duty and therefore, can not test.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2011, 21:36:17 »
CF Pers need to be on duty to conduct a CF ExPres test.  If you're on any kind of leave, you're not on duty and therefore, can not test.

Absolutely.  And as already mentioned, your CO must recall you for "imperative military reasons," which does not include an Expres Test.  That "military reason" must also last a minimum of five days.  You will not have to perform an Expres Test.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2011, 08:10:18 »
Just a quick question here, as this is my first pregnancy and all of this admin is confusing the hell out of me.

With regards to payroll deductions, my clerk here told me that they would all be ceased as soon as I started on maternity/parental leave, so I had to make alternate arrangements to pay everything.  However, when I spoke to the lady at SISIP, she said that there were a ton of people who had SILP loans, or Canex loans, and as long as your pay covered it, they couldn't force you to stop your deductions/allotments.  I know my pay from the military is reduced, as the bulk of your mat/parental leave pay is paid by EI, but I will have more than enough top-up pay still coming through to cover everything I have coming off of there.  Anyway, enough blather, does anyone have any personal experience with this?   Thanks for your info.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2011, 19:09:09 »
As long as your military "top up" can cover your allotments and deductions, they can stay on your pay while you're on Mata/Pata.  You have to remember, though, that the top-up is a fluctuating number based on the amount of days in the month.  Since EI will sometimes pay you more, DND will pay you less and vice-versa.  So if you only have a $20-$100 wiggle room between your pay and deductions, the clerk is going to ask you make some adjustments.

Some things (like SISIP loans) must continue to come off your pay.  Canex is a different story, however.  The reason you're asked to find an alternate method for paying a Canex loan is because Canex actually reserves their money a few days before pay drops.  What happens - usually at the end of the leave - is that there will not be enough on your DND pay to cover the Canex loan and will result in a nil payment.

A clerk can't force you to cease your deductions, but when you don't get a paycheque remember they tried to warn you.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2011, 09:15:37 »
As long as your military "top up" can cover your allotments and deductions, they can stay on your pay while you're on Mata/Pata.  You have to remember, though, that the top-up is a fluctuating number based on the amount of days in the month.  Since EI will sometimes pay you more, DND will pay you less and vice-versa.  So if you only have a $20-$100 wiggle room between your pay and deductions, the clerk is going to ask you make some adjustments.

Some things (like SISIP loans) must continue to come off your pay.  Canex is a different story, however.  The reason you're asked to find an alternate method for paying a Canex loan is because Canex actually reserves their money a few days before pay drops.  What happens - usually at the end of the leave - is that there will not be enough on your DND pay to cover the Canex loan and will result in a nil payment.

A clerk can't force you to cease your deductions, but when you don't get a paycheque remember they tried to warn you.

Thanks for the info -- I don't have a ton of allotments or anything, it's under a hundred bucks per pay, so I'll have plenty to cover it.  I appreciate your answer, cheers!   :)
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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2011, 20:58:35 »
When you cease your mess dues - an NPF function these days - it will cease everything that you pay to NPF.   I thought this was silly and have refused to give NPF a cheque to cover the CANEX plan - we'll see what happens when I come back to work in June.  NPF hasn't contacted me yet either.
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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2011, 07:36:26 »
When you cease your mess dues - an NPF function these days - it will cease everything that you pay to NPF.   I thought this was silly and have refused to give NPF a cheque to cover the CANEX plan - we'll see what happens when I come back to work in June.  NPF hasn't contacted me yet either.

Well that seems ridiculous.  Why can't they separate everything?

When they ceased mess dues for when I deployed, my Canex plan kept running -- if they want to stop payment on everything, methinks maybe they should start telling people that they can't have a Canex plan if they're going to be on parental, y'know, when you sign up for the plan?  Sheesh.
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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2011, 13:01:14 »
When you go over seas your banking is stopped, and the pay that you would normally see in the bank on the 15th and 30th is turned into a split allotment.  Normal debits such as your canex plan come out of the monies that are left on your pay account, just like your allowances.  That is why you had cash in theater.

When you go on Mata/Pata your don't get paid.  Period.  You get a top up allowance.  That is why when you get back off of Mata/Pata you have to pay back all that income tax for that period, and buy back your pension etc.

So, I would hazard a guess that if you didn't give NPF a cheque that in Jun you will have a negative balance on your pay guide, and you wont get paid for a while.   I think you should go talk to you Mata/Pata clerk.  This should have been explained to you at the start.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2011, 19:03:37 »
When you go over seas your banking is stopped, and the pay that you would normally see in the bank on the 15th and 30th is turned into a split allotment.  Normal debits such as your canex plan come out of the monies that are left on your pay account, just like your allowances.  That is why you had cash in theater.

When you go on Mata/Pata your don't get paid.  Period.  You get a top up allowance.  That is why when you get back off of Mata/Pata you have to pay back all that income tax for that period, and buy back your pension etc.

So, I would hazard a guess that if you didn't give NPF a cheque that in Jun you will have a negative balance on your pay guide, and you wont get paid for a while.   I think you should go talk to you Mata/Pata clerk.  This should have been explained to you at the start.

I did speak to my mata/pata clerk when this all began, but I was given some conflicting information, and the last three times I tried to go in there and speak to someone, the clerk's been on leave with no one to replace her, so I thought I would check to see if anyone knew here.  I will talk to NPF before I leave, but I am hoping they'll be able to work out payments with me, hence why I signed up for a payment plan in the first place.  If I could afford to dish out all of that money at once, I would have done that to begin with.  I just think maybe this is something you should be warned about before you sign the canex plan contract.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2011, 23:37:07 »
Hello all. My wife recently had a baby and we've been looking at myself taking parental leave. I know the time frame and length I can take it it in but had a few other questions.

I receive 93% of my "Weekly" pay. What does this include though? I've read that my pension is not taken off and I repay that after I return to work. I've also heard I loose my field pay as well. Do I keep my PLD?

What is the transition from CF pay to EI like? Is there/can there be a space in between the two where I don't get paid? 

I know I will have to set something up with the Canex for my bill from them. What about my PMQ?

I'm a MCpl who lives in Edmonton who's getting the second level of field pay if that helps at all.

Thanks in advance. I could not find the answers on CF websites or while searching on this site.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2011, 01:14:02 »
I can help you with some of this -- not all, but a couple of things.  I just had a baby in July and I'm on mata/pata leave now.

Your pension is not paid while you're on parental, but it will have to be paid off when you get back, so you can have them take double pension payments for a year, or they'll take a lump sum. Don't know anything about field pay or PLD though, sorry...  I'm pulling in a little bit more money than I was before I was on leave -- not paying the pension is great, but I'm putting the extra money away, so when it comes time for them to double up pension payments, I'm not taken short.

The transition is not awesome if you're paycheque to paycheque.  There's a 2 week waiting period with EI where you're not paid at all, then it takes another 2(ish) weeks to get your first payment.  During this time the military gives you a set amount, but it's not much, as they don't want to overpay you.  I think they gave me about $400 a pay for that month.  Once you get your first EI stub, you bring it in and they'll give you any money you're owed, but you're still out that 2 weeks of EI. 

Your Canex bill -- You'd go speak to the people at NPF (non-public funds)and bring a void cheque, and they'll give you a form to fill out, and the payments will come out of your bank account instead of your paycheque.  (They'll come out only once a month though, instead of each payday.)  Your PMQ won't change -- when you go to see the mata/pata clerk, they set up your pay taking into account any prior allotments you have.  You can have allotments on there, the caveat being that your military 'top-up' pay has to be enough to cover them all.

For reference on EI, you'll be receiving $822 every two weeks.  That's the current max EI rate as of last week.  It's not the same pay periods as the military pay, necessarily, as you get it every two weeks, which sometimes works out to three times a month, and the military pay still comes on the 15th and last day of the month.

Hopefully that helps...  Oh, one other thing.  EI doesn't tax you enough for your EI payments, so the orderly room should ask you if you want to pay extra taxes each month.  I recommend that you do it, unless you're okay with having to pay a lump sum at tax time.  I think I have them taking an extra $200 a month, and that should cover it.  I know a friend of mine didn't get the extra taxes taken off, and she had to pay a couple thousand bucks come tax season.

Anyway, any other questions, feel free to ask.  I'm a spec1 Cpl, so our pay scales aren't the same, and I don't get field pay, but the EI stuff is the same.  PM me if you like.  Good luck, and congrats on the little one!

Hello all. My wife recently had a baby and we've been looking at myself taking parental leave. I know the time frame and length I can take it it in but had a few other questions.

I receive 93% of my "Weekly" pay. What does this include though? I've read that my pension is not taken off and I repay that after I return to work. I've also heard I loose my field pay as well. Do I keep my PLD?

What is the transition from CF pay to EI like? Is there/can there be a space in between the two where I don't get paid? 

I know I will have to set something up with the Canex for my bill from them. What about my PMQ?

I'm a MCpl who lives in Edmonton who's getting the second level of field pay if that helps at all.

Thanks in advance. I could not find the answers on CF websites or while searching on this site.
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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2011, 19:21:46 »
Stevenpfo did a good job.  I'll just fill in the blanks.

Your LDA (field pay) will cease.  Your PLD will not.

The pension part is a bit scrambled there.  Stevenpfo is correct in stating that your pension contribution is not taken off your pay while on Parental leave, and that when you return you need to pay it back.  You can choose to take it off in one lump sum (your Mata/Pata clerk won't have a firm number for you until you return from leave, but for your rank and pay level I'd estimate at $300 for every month), or the pay system will automatically take off the monthly amount for every month you take off.  So if you take five months of Parental leave, the pay system will deduct that extra $300 for the next five months when you return to work.

A few things are affected on your pay: LDA (already discussed), pension (already discussed), taxes (I'll explain it in one second), and allotments (Canex, etc).  As was previously stated, you'll need to visit NPF to set up a different way for them to collect your Canex plan payments.  Everything else (PMQ, other allotments as long as they don't exceed your new monthly pay, etc.) remains the same.

Stevenpro made an excellent point on taxes.  While on Parental leave, you're not taxed at a high enough rate relevant to your salary.  So what happens is when you do your taxes in April, CRA is going to ding you a fair amount.  Listen to your clerk when they offer to take off extra taxes - it'll save you a world of frustration come April.

We have a pretty good system in place for working out member's pay when they go on Mata/Pata; we're not going to overpay you.  The EI transition and pay is dependent on several factors.  If you have never claimed EI before - and your wife is not claiming it for the same child - you will be subject to a two-week waiting period where EI will give you nothing.  For those two weeks, the military will pay you 93% of your salary.  If you have claimed EI before - or your wife is claiming it as well for that child - you are not subject to the two-week waiting period and you immediately receive that percentage of your pay the CF will pay out (I couldn't even guess at a number because I don't know how much your PMQ is or any other allotments). 

It does take a long time for EI to get rolling.  From the date you apply for EI (your first date of LWOP, not a single day before) we advise members to give it 4-8 weeks.  Mine personally took six weeks, and I was a Pte (2nd incentive) at Christmas time.  My best advice to you is that if you are a paycheque-to-paycheque member, try and have an extra $1000-$1500 saved up to save you some grief until EI kicks in.  EI will back pay you to your first eligible date, but once again, you actually have to wait for them to process your claim.
 
If you need anything in there clarified, just let me know.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2011, 23:27:56 »
Sorry about the pension thing -- me being a female, and taking maternity as well as parental leave, gives me an entire year off, hence why I'll have to pay double pension for a year when I go back... 

And as far as how long you actually have to wait for EI, mine took just shy of 4 weeks, that was just over two months ago, so fairly recent.  But yeah, it can take anywhere from 3-8 weeks, depending on the demand and manpower of the EI system.  Best to have money put away, if at all possible.
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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2011, 14:01:24 »
I've searched and haven't found anything particularly relevant (besides a few inconspicuous mentionings)

I am due to return to work and I have spoken with my Superintendent Clerk.  He had stated that I am due for my early promotion upon my return.  A few weeks pass and I was speaking to another clerk that the Chief Clerk has denied said promotion due to the fact that I have been on Maternity/Parental for the last 12 months.  The logic was stated that my LWOP does not count towards any promotional time in.  However, I had previously understood that I was not to be "penalized" for my time away.  As small background information, I have been in for nearly 4 years.  I am viewed as strong in my field and had the pregnancy not happened I would have been granted the early promotion.  Even if I'm not granted the early promotion, they are trying to even delay my 4 year Cpl promotion due to the LWOP for maternity/parental.


I do know that CFAO 49-4, 24 states:
"24. LWOP granted on enrolment shall not count as qualifying time for promotion. Effective 1 Jun 86, all other LWOP of 120 days duration or less shall count for promotion. LWOP of a duration of greater than 120 days may count as qualifying service in total or in part as specified by the approving authority of the leave. When a promotion instruction contains the name of a member who is on LWOP, the CO shall advise NDHQ/DPCAOR of the circumstances including commencement and termination dates. NDHQ/DPCAOR will advise the CO whether the promotion will stand, will be cancelled, or will be deferred."

Also, bearing in mind that I have no idea where I got this from, though I have a hint that it was a printout from 1 December 2009, a publication that supersedes Chapter 17 of A-PM-245...
(It is a printout among my military references)
The print out states that "having met all prerequisites for promotion, may be promoted", it carries on saying that the medical category I was on is irrelevant (due to being physically fit prior to pregnancy).  It also states under "Promotions and Pay Incentives" that "1787. A promotion affecting pay and allowances or a pay incentive awarded while the CF mbr is on maternity or parental lve will affect the calculation of EI or QPIP benefits and MATA and/of PATA. The mbr's URS is responsible to action any promotions and/or incentive awards in HRMS, except that for:
a. Ref F mbrs, HRMS will trigger pay and CCPS will automatically calculate any changes to a rate of pay and re-calculate all allowances.  The responsibility of generating an amended ROE remains with the mbr's URS;" and (b) which is Res F (not applicable)

Though I interpret this as if the promotion took place, or pay incentive increase, during the LWOP which would affect the EI benefits, as well as the calculations for the Allowances.  Nothing stated affects that the time in is directly influenced by the maternity/parental leave.

I acknowledge that I am receipt of allowances when I return to work, (LDA) which the leave will affect the LDA points calculation, I have not seen anything that this would affect any further or immediate promotion opportunities. 

Would anyone have any additional information regarding this?  Thank you greatly in advance.

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Re: Leave Policy – Maternity / Parental (MATA/PATA) [Merged]
« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2011, 14:28:54 »
Early promotion is not a right, its a privilege. One of my Cpls was kept from being advance promoted because we didn't think he was ready. I do not believe they can hold you from your Cpls if you have the requisite 60 months in service, as MATA/PATA is not supposed to delay promotion.

Is there not a CFAO directly related to MATA/PATA leave? It may have the clarifications you require.