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Re: Canadian citizenship
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2006, 22:25:19 »
  So security is the main reason right? Do you think if i go and tell them that i'm willing to die for Canada would this change anything? Because i am!

Oh in that case........... ::)

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Re: Canadian citizenship
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2006, 22:33:29 »
  I don't know how to explain this but i think that civil life is a PARASITE. What i mean by that is that most people want a good job to have a good life and they live day by day doing pretty much the same, but there are other people who fight for their freedom so that they can have a good life. And they are sometimes forgotten.... Ahhhh
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Re: Canadian citizenship
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2006, 22:38:18 »
somebody please help me out....i'm dying here !!

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Re: Canadian citizenship
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2006, 22:40:44 »
Enough for now.

If one of the experienced recruiters on the site as something to add, they can contact a staff member to have it posted.

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CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2006, 10:04:46 »
Would this be a good change ? I am sure it would expand the number of potential recruits which is the goal.

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2006, 10:16:59 »
IMHO, as long as they pass the background check and physical, then great.  If a landed immigrant wants to serve this country I say more power to them.

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the PRes at one point recruit landed immigrants, which was only recently changed a few years ago?
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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2006, 10:19:16 »
Actually, if you follow alot of the actions of Gen. Hillier, and even the CSOR, you will notice the forces are trying to get a lot of mid-eastern people.
This is because they want to have people with the language and cultures/customs of the areas we are currently in operation.

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2006, 10:48:46 »
Well the US recruits the same way (Green Card) with added bonus to citizenship.


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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2006, 10:52:37 »
Correct and it expands the recruit pool. I just wish we would sponsor foreign applicants like we did during Vietnam.

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2006, 11:23:47 »
Correct and it expands the recruit pool. I just wish we would sponsor foreign applicants like we did during Vietnam.

I was considered one of them...worked for me and the U.S.
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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2006, 11:36:21 »
The mechanism for enrolling landed immigrants already exists. The CF just needs to make it a bit easier to use the existing regulation and less "exceptional" and the media should stop publicizing that only citizens can join. Now, if the Govt wants to fast track citizenship, that's a different story.

From QR&O 6.01:

"(1) In order to be eligible for enrolment in the Canadian Forces as an officer or non-commissioned member, a person must:

(a) be a Canadian citizen, except that the Chief of the Defence Staff or such officer as he may designate may authorize the enrolment of a citizen of another country if he is satisfied that a special need exists and the national interest would not be prejudiced theirby:..."


From the CF recruiting website:

Citizens of another country who have landed immigrant (Permanent Resident) status in Canada may also be considered for enrolment when the CF has need of their skill, when the position cannot be filled by a Canadian citizen, and if the national interest would not be prejudiced. However, only under exceptional circumstances will authority be granted to enrol a citizen of another country.
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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2006, 14:59:55 »
I'm here with my fingers crossed so hard the circulation has almost stopped. :cdn:
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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2006, 15:37:30 »
I don't see anything wrong with it, as long as all the standards are met, and they don't come from a scheduled country, or a country where their backgrounds cannot be verified.

It worked before, and not that long ago.

To enhance this even more, the CF could dangle a carrot, like other BCW nations, and if so, could do some honest poaching from say the UK and Australia for example, capturing some quality 'pre trained' soldiers with experience in operations, and sound leadership.

It all works for Australia. Currently with us right now, we have one Canuck (me), one Fijian,, a Philippino, one Croat and a Serb (they get along - don't mention soccer though), a host of Poms, and Kiwis, plus an Irishman, all mixed in with convict stock (haha). Its a big dysfunctional family of circus sideshow freaks and misfits (a combination of paratroopers, armoured, and the rest of the lot), but we all get along, we're professional, well focused, and we all have a common goal of getting the job done right, and coming home safe and sound.


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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2006, 15:47:33 »
well, for a start, any foreign citzen coming from a Comonwealth country should be eligible for special treatment... applying citzenship rule to them never made sense.

citzens coming from a NATO alliance country should be eligible for some consideration.  If we are prepared to fight alongside their countrymen's formed units, armed to the teeth, then we should be prepared to consider them for individual augmentation.

For the rest, do your screenings, ensure that language is not a problem and if they are a good pick, then they are a good pick - without having to wait the 3 - 5 years for citzenship.
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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2006, 14:55:33 »
Hey it'll be the Canadian Foriegn Legion.  In the FFL after serving 3 years you get your citizenship.  As long as proper background checks done it should not be too bad.  As long as they speak English, French or Newfenesse.

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2006, 22:23:26 »
I also fully support this option for fullfilling our recruitment quota !  If we have newcomers who are ready to show pride and respect for their new country by supporting it's military I say go for it. We are a mixing pot and having a truly blended army has many benefits, both for peacekeeping and our humanitarian roles.
Especially when the DART is deployed, anything that helps open the lines of communication in foreign countries to speed things up is great!

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2006, 22:33:49 »
I agree with Lost_Warrior as long as they pass all the entry stuff like we all had to and are not forced into it they do it voluntarily then sure.
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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2006, 22:55:13 »
In the UK Commonwealth citizens make a significant number of the recruits each year in the Armed Forces.

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« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2006, 22:57:12 »
BBJ, that surprised me when I watched some Britsih military training shows on TV. It seemed like at least 25% of that group was from the Caribbean.

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2006, 23:00:10 »
Fijians are particularly common in Scottish Regiments.  Many recruits from South Africa and Zimbabwe also.

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2006, 23:09:23 »
This maybe a bit off topic but a little bit of military training never hurt anyone like I've heard in some countries that its mandatory for people of a certain age to enlist for so many years. Does anyone think that would fly in Canada or would it violate some human rights?
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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2006, 23:10:55 »
This maybe a bit off topic but a little bit of military training never hurt anyone like I've heard in some countries that its mandatory for people of a certain age to enlist for so many years. Does anyone think that would fly in Canada or would it violate some human rights?

They call it a draft, and no since World War II it hasn't "flown" in Canada.

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2006, 23:58:35 »
And NEVER did in Quebec.

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #73 on: August 23, 2006, 18:54:21 »
 If the military is having a problem with recruiting people from it's own Country, maybe it is time for Canadians in general, to start supporting their troops by helping to increase its numbers, instead of verbal and political support.  Maybe it is time for Canadians to realize that 3 years of mandatory service (Regular and Reserve) be implemented.  Using landed Immigrants, to increase the Canadian Militarys numbers, is only a temporary solution, for a long term problem.  I feel that Canadians are finding it easy to sit at home saying they support their troops, but many Canadians are not educating themselves to find out what their troops are doing to support their fellow Canadians.  I feel that, people that are unemployed for longer than 12mnths and on the welfare system should be required to do 3 yrs, of mandatory service.  These are people that have been supported by the Canadian Public, Tax Payers and Government.  This could be one way that they return the favor.  Obviously only people that are able to meet the CF requiremnts should be considered, but this is a large demographic that has not been tapped into.  Yes,  there are Recruiters at Human Resource Centres across Canada, but at no point has CF service been made Mandatory, and I feel very strongly that it should.  This may not be a Recruitment solution, but it will get alot of people off of welfare!  This is my opinion on the recruiting problem. :cdn:

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Re: CF May Recruit Landed Immigrants
« Reply #74 on: August 23, 2006, 19:13:55 »
This maybe a bit off topic but a little bit of military training never hurt anyone like I've heard in some countries that its mandatory for people of a certain age to enlist for so many years. Does anyone think that would fly in Canada or would it violate some human rights?
As for human rights, you choose to live here, sometimes that requires people to do what the Government says.  I agree that a little bit of Military training never hurt anybody, it helps to build ones character.  Human Rights, I feel is one of those politically correct phrases poeple use to hide behind, so they doen't have to join.  The Canadian Military is one of the most diverse militaries in the world, and is teaching other countries like the States.   :cdn: