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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #350 on: February 05, 2015, 18:04:34 »

. . .  First question, how does this fail to meet the requirements if the Canadian forces website quotes the following "You will not be disqualified based on a diagnosis or disease. "

You are focusing on a single sentence, which in my opinion, confuses the issue rather than explains the process.  Reading the entire section, the relevant part is

http://www.forces.ca/en/page/applynow-100#tab5
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Medical File Review

After the medical exam, your medical records and history will be reviewed by military medical staff. This review helps to determine if there are any medical limitations that will affect your training and career. You will not be disqualified based on a diagnosis or disease.

You may be asked for additional exams or reports from your family doctor or a specialist. In this case, you will be given a form with instructions and questions for your doctor.  You are responsible for having your doctor fill out the forms and return them to the recruiting centre as soon as possible so we can continue to move your application towards enrolment. If your doctor expects a fee to complete the forms, you are responsible for that cost.

Applicants are not medically disqualified because they have a prior diagnosis of "x" or "y" or because an enrolment medical examination discovers any such disease, but because a review of an "individual's" past and current medical history indicates there are (or likely to be) limitations in their ability to meet the requirements of military service.  It may seem the same thing, but it is not.  There is no rule that everyone with a diagnosis of "x" is automatically disqualified; the specifics of an individual with a diagnosis of "x" is reviewed to determine if that individual can meet the physical and mental requirements of military service.  However, one should not be surprised if the vast majority of individuals with condition "x" do not meet enrolment standards if the common symptoms and outcome of that condition is incompatible with military service.
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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #351 on: February 09, 2015, 04:27:51 »
It's actually simple to wrap around - the rules are that if you were treated for depression, you must be stable and off meds for a year.  BTW, the doctor isn't to write on the form what you want them to - it's what's on your chart and their experience with you that's to be commented about.  I've seen that a lot from both sides of the fence.

Good luck.

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There are no "rules" per say, in regards to how long you need to off meds.
Case in point:
Started on anti-depressants in Jan 2013, applied to the CF in June 2013.  Received a rejection letter in March 2014, decided to go off meds that same month.   In September, called the recruiting centre to find out if I could re-open my file, only to find out if was still open and just needed a letter from my doctor explaining I was off meds, yadda yadda...  Received a letter at the beginning of October stating I am now medically fit to serve.  And now, I'm starting BMQ on the 16th.  So there is no "specific amount of time", because I had asked that very same question and was told it's all case by case.  They've seen people who have been off for 2 months be given an offer, and some having to wait over a year.  Good luck to you, no matter what you decide.  :)

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #352 on: February 24, 2015, 16:33:10 »
Hi, I've passed the recruiting process with a history of depression, 10 years since my last episode and medic signed off, went off to basic and was sent home failing to qualify on the range. Being sent home brought up a lot of emotions and sadness, and while I'm in BRT with my local Naval Reserve unit, I fear if I go to get help about my depression, I will be kicked out. Is this an irrational fear being too new and possibly kicked out, or can I get the same services all those who have completed training can get. Sadly, I feel I'm in limbo - I wouldn't be picked up in my current state, yet not want to be removed for seeking help. Thank you.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #354 on: March 27, 2015, 00:27:19 »
Hey guys,

Just spent the last hour reading through this thread as I have my own concerns about my medical. Things are moving fairly quickly for me right now, assuming my interview and medical go well I could be off to BMQ at the end of April, assuming all goes well. Quite the surprise since I just did my CFAT a week ago. I had a brief mental health issue roughly 10 years ago. Never diagnosed with anything in particular, but given some seroquel, which I took for two - three months with minimal regularity. I will be frank and state the whole issue was a result of my choice to join my friends in experimentation with a few different types of recreational drugs, a fact I chose to conceal from the psychiatrist I was taken too (after an obvious change had taken place in my mood/manner which has been observed by my parents). This fact was brought to light when I was effectively "caught" bringing to light the real underlying cause of my "issues". This all took place over the course of less than a year, perhaps five months.

This is the back ground, and I've read enough here to know that asking "will this affect my application, can I still get in?" is a resounding "Yes, it will affect your application, each case is different as it is up to the Medical officer", so I won't bother asking that. What I will ask is whether I can be proactive in the process.

An effort is being made by the recruiting staff to get me on basic ASAP (assuming all checks out) as the basic occupational training has intake only once a year and they would like to fill the spots. Time between my medical and my potential BMQ date is very short. Anyone know if I could obtain the DND 2770 ( I believe it would be in this case?) prior to the medical exam as to try and make the process take as minimal amount of time as possible.

I realize this may be the nail in the coffin for my application and if it is that will be the extent of it; price paid for poor choices when I was younger. That being said, any advice, thoughts, or just blunt reality anyone wants to offer would be appreciated.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #355 on: March 31, 2015, 13:06:21 »
Hey all, first post on here. I apologize in advance for the book I'll end up writing to explain my situation. I started my application process in the summer of last year, and I was 18 at the time. Completed and qualified for everything I wanted. But when I went in for my medical around a month later, I hadn't realized that the medication I was currently taking would be an issue (Zoloft 25mg once daily) and hadn't stopped taking it. My doctor had put me on it after the sudden death of a friend of mine as a "just in case" measure since my father had also passed away suddenly when I was 15 and went through situational anxiety and depression back then. The WO who was doing my medical gave me a form I would need to get my doctor to fill out and send off to Ottawa for review in regards to why I was on the medication. I received a letter a few months later stating that due to my use of Zoloft I wasn't fit to join at that time. So I had talked to my doctor about weening myself off of it and have been off for over 6 months now and appealed the decision as I do not currently have any depression or anxiety as it was just situational in regards to the sudden deaths of my father and friend, and my doctor had written a short letter saying something along the lines of "Applicant has been off of Zoloft for many months and is showing no signs of anxiety or depression, with no chance of relapse". But when I last contacted my local recruiting office they said that my appeal had been reviewed in Ottawa and the result didn't look promising, and that I'll receive a letter shortly. So finally my question; has anyone experienced applying with a past of situation depression or anxiety and antidepressant use? Is there any chance I will be able to be deemed fit for service if I keep appealing? And any tips or suggestions as to what I should do in this situation?
TL;DR- had situational depression and anxiety after death of family member and friend, was on zoloft when applied, deemed unfit, stopped taking zoloft and got a doctors note and appealed, still looking like I'll be deemed unfit, what're chances of me being able to be deemed fit through continuing to appeal?

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #356 on: March 31, 2015, 13:25:58 »
Have you tried reading through pertinent older threads here to find answers?

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #357 on: March 31, 2015, 13:29:53 »
I have looked around through some, but have yet to find anything that directly relates to me. Will keep looking though, thanks for response!

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #358 on: March 31, 2015, 14:51:09 »
I have looked around through some, but have yet to find anything that directly relates to me. Will keep looking though, thanks for response!

You're probably not going to find the exact same situation, however, there are lots of comparable stories/questions in this thread.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #359 on: August 04, 2015, 16:44:46 »
So I recently applied to the CAF, I scored very high on my CFAT, Personality Test and do very well in school (high school U level courses), also have a job for last 2 years... great references and think my application was pretty bulletproof. But I have hypothyroidism, which if untreated can lead to depression. I do take medication for it and have been since I was a kid, but when I was young doctors thought I was depressed because I was just being diagnosed at the time... but on my medical referral from my doctor she stated that I had suffered from depression but with proper usage of my thyroid medication it went away and continued usage of the medication will keep me healthy and will have no depression... should I hold my breath for acceptance for CAF or do I not stand a chance now. Going for Weapons Engineering Technician if its of any interest. Thanks

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #360 on: August 04, 2015, 20:23:05 »
So I recently applied to the CAF, I scored very high on my CFAT, Personality Test and do very well in school (high school U level courses), also have a job for last 2 years... great references and think my application was pretty bulletproof. But I have hypothyroidism, which if untreated can lead to depression. I do take medication for it and have been since I was a kid, but when I was young doctors thought I was depressed because I was just being diagnosed at the time... but on my medical referral from my doctor she stated that I had suffered from depression but with proper usage of my thyroid medication it went away and continued usage of the medication will keep me healthy and will have no depression... should I hold my breath for acceptance for CAF or do I not stand a chance now. Going for Weapons Engineering Technician if its of any interest. Thanks


I read the second post on the first page of this thread. That might be the answer you're looking for. Good Luck.
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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #361 on: August 04, 2015, 21:31:16 »

I read the second post on the first page of this thread. That might be the answer you're looking for. Good Luck.

And I'd say, the only way to know if you'll get in or not is to apply.
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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #362 on: August 05, 2015, 01:29:21 »
And since he's already applied, I'm going to say "watch and shoot"...just don't hold your breath, since your brain won't appreciate you  ;D.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #363 on: September 24, 2015, 00:39:37 »
I have self-inflicted scars and am currently in the process of applying for the reserves is this something i should be concerned about?

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #364 on: September 24, 2015, 08:33:36 »
I have self-inflicted scars and am currently in the process of applying for the reserves is this something i should be concerned about?

You may find this discussion of interest,

Joining with Self-Inflicted Scars?
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=106208.0

As always, best to contact Recruiting.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #365 on: February 18, 2016, 00:18:29 »
Hi all, I've applied to the reserves as a musician. I have completed my audition/fitness/aptitude/interview and medical tests. The only hiccup I have had so far was that I have used anti depressants in the past (a SSRI called Pristiq I believe it is a newer second generation drug). The medical team required me to get a paper filled out from my doctor regarding details of my diagnosis and treatment.
I have been off them for 8-9 months, and my doctor believes (and so do I) that my ability to deal with stress is very good. The main reason for my depression was a poor performance in school and lack of direction in life mixed with a bad family situation and break up which built up because I went many months without doing anything about it. Then I finally got smart and got some help. Along with my medication I saw a therapist for 4 sessions who helped me work on strategies to manage this build of stress. Since then I have been doing very well in school, improved as a musician and am overall fairly healthy. My doctor says my risk of recurrence is very low and I have no need for any more check ups. The letter has been dropped off at recruiting already and all I can do now is wait.
Having said all of this, do you think that my application will be okay and I should expect to be sworn in in maybe a few more weeks? Or is history of antidepressant use a big problem? I don't really know how to feel about which way things could go from here.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #366 on: February 26, 2016, 22:50:21 »
You will have to be patient. Nobody here can tell you.

Good luck, though.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #367 on: February 28, 2016, 22:55:52 »
Thanks,

Just curious, does anyone know how long it usually takes to hear back from them, good or bad news? The envelope was dropped off at the local recruiting center but at the medical exam they told me they send it to Ottawa for approval (not sure if any of it is electronic or by phone call etc.).

Also does your trade get factored into their decision, I feel it would be more acceptable for a musician as opposed to infantry based on the nature of the work each trade does. From what I've read they do it on a case by case basis.

 Then again I know nothing of the process that they go through to see if someone is fit to serve.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #368 on: February 29, 2016, 08:48:48 »
As mentioned a number of weeks/months/years back, there are three piles that end up in Ottawa - Recommend immediate enrollment, Recommend no friggin way and Recommend on the fence - the on the fence pile is actually quite a high pile, so can take some time to go through.  Usually you're looking at 4-8 weeks, depending on the current workload. 

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #369 on: February 29, 2016, 09:44:50 »
I feel it would be more acceptable for a musician as opposed to infantry based on the nature of the work each trade does.

Everybody has to meet Universality of Service requirements.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #370 on: March 20, 2016, 22:20:55 »
As mentioned a number of weeks/months/years back, there are three piles that end up in Ottawa - Recommend immediate enrollment, Recommend no friggin way and Recommend on the fence - the on the fence pile is actually quite a high pile, so can take some time to go through.  Usually you're looking at 4-8 weeks, depending on the current workload. 

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thanks! interesting info. So the recruiting center makes that decision (one of the 3 categories) and then sends it to Ottawa for approval, or the recruiting center just forwards my medical info from my doctor to Ottawa? So technically I am sitting in one of those piles I guess. Coming up to the 5-6 week mark so hopefully I will get some news soon.
 
 

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #371 on: March 21, 2016, 16:37:34 »
thanks! interesting info. So the recruiting center makes that decision (one of the 3 categories) and then sends it to Ottawa for approval, or the recruiting center just forwards my medical info from my doctor to Ottawa? So technically I am sitting in one of those piles I guess. Coming up to the 5-6 week mark so hopefully I will get some news soon.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #372 on: March 21, 2016, 19:35:59 »
Okay thank you, I emailed my recruiting center and the medical staff said that they sent the letter to Ottawa and are "awaiting approbation" not to read into their wording too much but hopefully they gave me a good recommendation :P Thank you all for the information, I'll let you know the outcome when I hear from Ottawa.

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #373 on: April 05, 2016, 00:11:22 »
Hi, I know this (or similar questions) has been asked repeatedly, but I did not see a response by a recruiter: am I immediately disqualified because of a history of post-partum depression and/or current use of an anti-depressant? Most of what I have read indicates that applications were denied for both reasons; past history or not being off medication for st least 1 year. Could I get input from a recruiter please?
Thanks in advance

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Re: The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread
« Reply #374 on: April 05, 2016, 07:52:29 »
I presume that you have read the "ADHD, ADD, and why we can't get in rants......" thread at http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,22352.msg1424396/topicseen.html#new. People with recruiting and medical backgrounds have posted therein already, many times, and the responses do not change. Do not expect any different response to your question here.