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Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« on: November 07, 2019, 16:35:54 »
I attended my medical today. Everything is in the clear aside from the fact that I checked the box for psychiatric health issues.

I have had issues with depression in the past. It has been at least a few years since I have taken any medication to help with it. I've been diagnosed and put on medication on two separate occasions for depression. I believe I told my doctor on at least one of these diagnoses that I had been experiencing suicidal thoughts(though if I did, it was an exaggeration as I have never truly contemplated suicide). Aside from these instances, I have set up an appointment for counseling this past September, but decided not to attend this appointment after working through my issues(bad breakup) with friends and family to get me back on my feet.

I have been given a "Psychiatric - Information for Recruitment" form to be filled out by my doctor.

Are individuals typically barred from recruitment for something like this? My mental health has not been an issue for years and I am happier than I have ever been. I want a career in the forces more than anything and I would be so disappointed to see it slip away because of past issues that are no longer relevant in my life.

Also, will something like this delay my application or will it be processed as normal when it arrives in Ottawa(provided the medical staff likes what they see from my doctor)?

I understand that no one can give me a definitive answer about something like this but I would greatly appreciate some insight.
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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2019, 16:46:32 »
I have had issues with depression in the past. It has been at least a few years since I have taken any medication to help with it. I've been diagnosed and put on medication on two separate occasions for depression. 

For reference to the discussion,

The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread 
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php?topic=13192.325
17 pages.

I believe I told my doctor on at least one of these diagnoses that I had been experiencing suicidal thoughts(though if I did, it was an exaggeration as I have never truly contemplated suicide).


Self-Harm/Suicide Attempts/ And other Serious Mental Health Issues.
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=69787.0
3 pages.

As always, the Recruiting Medical Officer ( RMO ) makes the Medical Enrollment decisions.

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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2019, 17:41:26 »
For reference to the discussion,

The Depression / Anti Depressants Merged Thread 
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php?topic=13192.325
17 pages.


Self-Harm/Suicide Attempts/ And other Serious Mental Health Issues.
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=69787.0
3 pages.

As always, the Recruiting Medical Officer ( RMO ) makes the Medical Enrollment decisions.

"Unofficial site, not associated with DND or the Canadian Armed Forces."

Thank you, mariomike.
There is a lot of useful information in those threads, and it seems like an appropriate answer to my original question would be: "Even if my doctor provides an extremely favourable review, it is still up to the discretion of the RMC staff."

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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2019, 17:52:34 »
Thank you, mariomike.


You are welcome. Good luck.  :)

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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2019, 18:28:19 »
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I have set up an appointment for counseling this past September, but decided not to attend this appointment
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My mental health has not been an issue for years

If you've told recruiters your mental health hasn't been an issue for years but also told them you had counseling set up (and canceled) 2 months ago they might wonder whats up.
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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2019, 19:36:38 »
I attended my medical today. Everything is in the clear aside from the fact that I checked the box for psychiatric health issues.

I have had issues with depression in the past.

Also, will something like this delay my application or will it be processed as normal when it arrives in Ottawa(provided the medical staff likes what they see from my doctor)?

I understand that no one can give me a definitive answer about something like this but I would greatly appreciate some insight.


If I can reply to this this is what I would tell you: You will get rejected no matter what. Even if you have a doctor fill out the form saying you are okay etc... Trust me, they will deem you unfit to serve. Well now, everyone is different. Maybe they will say "Alright this guy is okay now. He's fit" Consider yourself VERY lucky if that happens. I don't mean to discourage you, I just want to prepare you for the decision letter when it comes and prepare you on how to proceed. If you ask why, that is because I was in the same boat. This is what happened with me. Similar thing, I've suffered with anxiety, depression etc... I was on medications. After graduating university, I kinda stopped taking meds and started working on how I should progress and live without medications, beat my depression and anxiety. So I started running 4 days a week, work on my low self esteem, exercise at least once a week even though I'm still bad at it and keep striving. I did my medical, gave them referral from my doctor, filled out forms. But it did not work. When I got my letter, I kinda expected to be rejected but I was still devastated. So, I contacted my doctor at the CAF. I asked if I could appeal. And yes you can appeal. So what I did. I got a referral to see a psychiatrist. I only did 3 times. Trust me, I would suggest you do that NOW, explain your situation. If you haven't had issues with depressions and have been doing well. I would still suggest you to go see a doctor. Sit down couple times with him/ her and prove to them you are doing well and are working towards on getting better. After that, have them fill out the form. Last but not least, write an appeal letter. Explain to the CAF what have you been doing to improve yourself, why did you take medications, what were the reasons for your thoughts back then, how are you now, and what are you doing to improve yourself. In the letter you gotta show them you really need this and why. Why do you think you deserve this and how you think you are fit now compare to last when you were sick. Know that you need to at least have been off meds for 12 months. After that send the letter along with your forms/referral from your doctor. And wait 2-6 months until you hear back. They will or might accept you. Now, please don't go by my words, because everyone files and cases are different. But for me, this is what I did and guess what I got approved and was deemed fit to serve. Now I await my appointment for the interview next week. It is still a long way to go but I couldn't be more happier. What you need is patient. My application has been ongoing for 2 years now (part of the reason is my fault other is due to the medical decision), it is a drag but I'm a patient man. In mean time, I still improve myself, I work out and run 4 days a weeks. Hope that helps. Best of luck!!

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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2019, 19:56:42 »
jdem007,

That was really thoughtful of you to take the time and write all of that out for him. Thanks for doing that. It's nice to see you're getting a chance and it appears your work is paying off. Good luck.
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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2019, 20:13:25 »
jdem007,

That was really thoughtful of you to take the time and write all of that out for him. Thanks for doing that. It's nice to see you're getting a chance and it appears your work is paying off. Good luck.

Thanks!!

I need it :)

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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2019, 21:16:27 »
If you've told recruiters your mental health hasn't been an issue for years but also told them you had counseling set up (and canceled) 2 months ago they might wonder whats up.

The counseling was intended to help me deal with a bad breakup as stated, it wasn't a mental health issue. It was an attempt to speak with a third party and receive advice, but I found that elsewhere.

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Re: Psychiatric Information Required for Recruitment
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2019, 22:26:31 »
If I can reply to this this is what I would tell you: You will get rejected no matter what. Even if you have a doctor fill out the form saying you are okay etc... Trust me, they will deem you unfit to serve. Well now, everyone is different. Maybe they will say "Alright this guy is okay now. He's fit" Consider yourself VERY lucky if that happens. I don't mean to discourage you, I just want to prepare you for the decision letter when it comes and prepare you on how to proceed. If you ask why, that is because I was in the same boat. This is what happened with me. Similar thing, I've suffered with anxiety, depression etc... I was on medications. After graduating university, I kinda stopped taking meds and started working on how I should progress and live without medications, beat my depression and anxiety. So I started running 4 days a week, work on my low self esteem, exercise at least once a week even though I'm still bad at it and keep striving. I did my medical, gave them referral from my doctor, filled out forms. But it did not work. When I got my letter, I kinda expected to be rejected but I was still devastated. So, I contacted my doctor at the CAF. I asked if I could appeal. And yes you can appeal. So what I did. I got a referral to see a psychiatrist. I only did 3 times. Trust me, I would suggest you do that NOW, explain your situation. If you haven't had issues with depressions and have been doing well. I would still suggest you to go see a doctor. Sit down couple times with him/ her and prove to them you are doing well and are working towards on getting better. After that, have them fill out the form. Last but not least, write an appeal letter. Explain to the CAF what have you been doing to improve yourself, why did you take medications, what were the reasons for your thoughts back then, how are you now, and what are you doing to improve yourself. In the letter you gotta show them you really need this and why. Why do you think you deserve this and how you think you are fit now compare to last when you were sick. Know that you need to at least have been off meds for 12 months. After that send the letter along with your forms/referral from your doctor. And wait 2-6 months until you hear back. They will or might accept you. Now, please don't go by my words, because everyone files and cases are different. But for me, this is what I did and guess what I got approved and was deemed fit to serve. Now I await my appointment for the interview next week. It is still a long way to go but I couldn't be more happier. What you need is patient. My application has been ongoing for 2 years now (part of the reason is my fault other is due to the medical decision), it is a drag but I'm a patient man. In mean time, I still improve myself, I work out and run 4 days a weeks. Hope that helps. Best of luck!!


Thanks a lot for sharing your story.

I appreciate your response but I am wondering why they would even request more information from my doctor if they're just going to outright reject my application anyway. I'm sure my doctor can provide me with information that shows that i have grown and become stronger since I was last treated for depression. I'm just hoping that's enough for now.

Another worry is that my medical history along with the fact that my father committed suicide is probably enough to never accept me.

Thanks again.