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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2019, 21:01:22 »
He can suck my a$$......
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2019, 22:38:05 »
He can suck my a$$......

While Epstein allegedly had some sexual perversions, that particular fetish has not been reported as being within his repertoire.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2019, 22:48:56 »
Interesting article on how suicides in US prisons is not that unusual.

Link. Original article includes links.

And not unusual in our federal system either.

We’ve had one completed suicide in our Manitoba provincial system since 2010.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2019, 07:39:22 »
He can suck my a$$......

That will be considerably harder for him to do now.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2019, 08:00:09 »
I'm thinking I should have much more specific... :facepalm:
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2019, 08:50:59 »
I'm thinking I should have much more specific... :facepalm:
No, the imagery from that simple statement is more than enough, thanks.   :boke:

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2019, 16:19:50 »
 :sarcasm: I don't care who you are. Nobody has 56 friends that commit suicide :sarcasm:
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2019, 19:30:24 »
It all depends on how seriously you take the person at risk and how well you do your job.

This.  :salute:
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2019, 20:53:34 »

The conspiracy nuts on left thinks it’s Trump.  the conspiracy nuts on the right think it’s Clinton. 

My money is on Candyman.


It might not be that far fetched that Epstein himself paid off an overworked underpaid Guard to turn a blind eye so he could make his exit.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2019, 21:33:18 »
Some people love their conspiracy theories,

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In Epstein Tweets, Trump Revisits a Favored Conspiracy Genre: Murder
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/us/politics/trump-epstein-conspiracy-theories.html
President Trump has long used his fame and platform to amplify conspiracy theories and undermine his political enemies by muddying the waters when it comes to facts.

Probably the most infamous jail house suicide since Hermann Göring.

Not all that uncommon among high profile inmates,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prison_deaths
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2019, 21:39:31 »
I'm not going to yammer and pontificate much more on this subject.

We, at least in our institution, take all talk of suicide seriously. Some of our guests joke about it and we know that, but they are still assessed  to ascertain that they are not suicidal.
I'm an ASIST instructor and I tell everyone to take all suicide talk seriously. We have to.

Would an Epstein completed suicide in any jail? Possibly yes. As for him being taken off suicide watch, few inmates are on suicide watch for longer than a week. Generally the suicidal thoughts go away and they are downgraded, moved back to his or her cell and supervised like other inmates.

We did have one inmate on suicide watch for months on end. His crime was particularly heinous, but despite how we felt personally about him we ensured he stayed alive. He was one of the few who needed one on one suicide watch because he would have attempted if he was in a camera cell.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2019, 21:44:23 »
I'm no prevention expert. But, one observation I came to many years ago was if someone was determined to kill themselves, they would.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2019, 07:16:47 »
The conspiracy nuts on left thinks it’s Trump.  the conspiracy nuts on the right think it’s Clinton. 

My money is on Candyman.


It might not be that far fetched that Epstein himself paid off an overworked underpaid Guard to turn a blind eye so he could make his exit.

I bet he didn't even have to do that.  Just say the "right" things to prison staff (Correctional Officers, Psychologists etc) to make them believe he isn't suicidal, and they take him off suicide watch. And to those surprised he was off suicide watch I'd be surprised after a few weeks behind bars he'd still be on it.  In my experience in corrections it's been a short term "solution" if you will, to prevent suicides.  And it's more than just physical security monitoring (cameras, checking cell etc), it involves psychologists/psychiatrists counselling the offender.  Usually three to four days has been the maximum I've seen inmates on suicide watch in my experience
 
As for those having these conspiracy theories, here's one.  Epstein was a 66 year old high profile pedophile facing 45 years (I believe that would have been his sentence) behind bars, doing hard time.  He would have been released when he turned 111 years old, meaning in reality he'd die behind bars.  Epstein did the math and decided why wait to die behind bars, he'll do it now by his own hands.  Really no surprise at all

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2019, 14:40:43 »
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Why was Jeffrey Epstein’s death on 4chan before it became public?
https://nypost.com/2019/08/13/why-was-jeffrey-epsteins-death-on-4chan-before-it-became-public/


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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2019, 15:29:31 »
Most don’t like the truth just like the Kennedy assasination
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2019, 17:52:19 »
Breaking news!! Epstein's killer has been identified! Picture follows:

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2019, 18:41:22 »
I bet he didn't even have to do that.  Just say the "right" things to prison staff (Correctional Officers, Psychologists etc) to make them believe he isn't suicidal, and they take him off suicide watch. And to those surprised he was off suicide watch I'd be surprised after a few weeks behind bars he'd still be on it.  In my experience in corrections it's been a short term "solution" if you will, to prevent suicides.  And it's more than just physical security monitoring (cameras, checking cell etc), it involves psychologists/psychiatrists counselling the offender.  Usually three to four days has been the maximum I've seen inmates on suicide watch in my experience
 
As for those having these conspiracy theories, here's one.  Epstein was a 66 year old high profile pedophile facing 45 years (I believe that would have been his sentence) behind bars, doing hard time.  He would have been released when he turned 111 years old, meaning in reality he'd die behind bars.  Epstein did the math and decided why wait to die behind bars, he'll do it now by his own hands.  Really no surprise at all

My two cents

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Yup. Doing time behind real security as a rich guy who's also a skinner? That's about as bad a go as it gets. I have no difficulty believing he killed himself. He probably knew they had him dead to rights and that it would only get worse once search warrants were executed.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2019, 18:54:57 »
Yup. Doing time behind real security as a rich guy who's also a skinner? That's about as bad a go as it gets. I have no difficulty believing he killed himself. He probably knew they had him dead to rights and that it would only get worse once search warrants were executed.

IIRC he wouldn't be going to trial until next June at the earliest; so a whole year stuck in a cell that's probably not much bigger a medium sized washroom. And as Brihard says, in the prison system, child abusers are the lowest of the low.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2019, 19:14:08 »
IIRC he wouldn't be going to trial until next June at the earliest; so a whole year stuck in a cell that's probably not much bigger a medium sized washroom. And as Brihard says, in the prison system, child abusers are the lowest of the low.

Unless you are former PC Michael Bunting, of course:

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2019, 09:11:19 »
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Epstein guards suspected of falsifying logs to show they were checking on him: report
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/jeffrey-epstein-s-jail-guards-suspected-of-falsifying-logs-ap-source-1.4549020

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2019, 12:12:20 »


Not saying not true, since I've never worked in that facility, but when I was in (as a Correctional Officer, not a con) when you did your range walk there was a punch at the end of the range which verified you went down range and back and how long your range walk took. There was also a log book but not just a log book
Surprising they would have a logbook only

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2019, 12:29:29 »
Maybe the place was slack right to the top and didn't bother checking "punches"....until caca hit the fan of course.
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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2019, 13:46:16 »
there was a punch at the end of the range

Maybe the place was slack right to the top and didn't bother checking "punches"....until caca hit the fan of course.

In case anyone is unfamiliar with them,
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2019, 14:27:43 »
What amuses me is the speed with which both the "conspiracy" and "nothing to see here" crowds leapt to their respective positions.  Very few people inhabit the "let's wait for the investigation to conclude, shall we?" region any more.
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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2019, 14:31:32 »
The ones we had at Millhaven when I was a young fish screw LOL were on the range wall. You walked to the end of the range and pressed the switch.
But I am familiar (although never used one myself) with the type you showed.
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