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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2019, 09:30:55 »
I bet the troops rotated in will have had alot of riot training and crowd control.

If there's alot of them, that's about all they'll need!
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2019, 09:36:31 »
They rotated in, but did any rotate out? 

The media showed them coming in and no one going not.


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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2019, 13:24:57 »
Risky move to film troop movements at all in China and the SAA.
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2019, 19:05:12 »
The chance to increase the Hong Kong garrison was something The Party bosses couldn't pass up.

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #79 on: August 31, 2019, 07:01:10 »
They rotated in, but did any rotate out? 

The media showed them coming in and no one going not.
True, but media reports talked about vehicles being switched, so that presumes outbound vehicles, too.
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #80 on: August 31, 2019, 12:28:38 »
Riot police have been battling protestors a are using water cannons and water tinged with blue dye to mark the protestors. Remember when PLA troops wore buddhist garb years ago while dealing with unrest in Tibet. They could use PLA troops wearing posing as riot troops.

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #81 on: August 31, 2019, 19:58:08 »
Riot police have been battling protestors a are using water cannons and water tinged with blue dye to mark the protestors. Remember when PLA troops wore buddhist garb years ago while dealing with unrest in Tibet. They could use PLA troops wearing posing as riot troops.

I'd like to have the market cornered on umbrellas in HK right now ;) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/hong-kong-protests-latest-updates-190831101706243.html
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2019, 07:47:05 »
A reminder from CHN's Communist Party media of who else could drop by to help (with a yet another reminder @ the end of the article)?
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Shenzhen police drill mirrors Hong Kong protests
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Can't have toooooooooo much practice for riots when you're next door to Hong Kong, right?

And, just in case you've forgotten now that the newest troops are settling in, this from CHN's military info-machine (text also attached if you don't want to click on the link):
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The Hong Kong Garrison of the Chinese People's Liberation Army is determined, confident and capable of performing duties stipulated by the Law of the People's Republic of China on Garrisoning the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) to safeguard the region's long-lasting prosperity and stability, a military spokesperson said Thursday ...

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2019, 09:09:01 »
"Shenzhen mobilizes 240,000 residents as volunteer police force to prevent terrorism and violence"
I've 'volunteered' for duties that way too.   ;D

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #84 on: September 01, 2019, 09:47:46 »
I've 'volunteered' for duties that way too.   ;D

I mean, the PRC national anthem is called "March of the Volunteers".   :nod:
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2019, 00:49:30 »
The regime offers talks.The only thing that will defuse this is allowing Hong Kong to go its own way or allow the UK to resume its control over the restive city.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-official-slams-flag-burning-seeks-talks-hong-kong-update/ar-AAGEPOX?ocid=spartanntp


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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2019, 01:14:08 »
The regime offers talks.The only thing that will defuse this is allowing Hong Kong to go its own way or allow the UK to resume its control over the restive city.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-official-slams-flag-burning-seeks-talks-hong-kong-update/ar-AAGEPOX?ocid=spartanntp

Never. Happening.
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #87 on: September 02, 2019, 03:32:01 »
Never. Happening.

China could always send in the tanks to restore order.Unrest is bad for business. To negotiate with the mob might be a stalling tactic. China has hopes one day to lure Taiwan into the fold which might be the reason that China hasn't used the Army.

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #88 on: September 02, 2019, 06:03:39 »
China could always send in the tanks to restore order.Unrest is bad for business. To negotiate with the mob might be a stalling tactic. China has hopes one day to lure Taiwan into the fold which might be the reason that China hasn't used the Army.

They haven't used the army because it is a internationally publicized event and Hong Kong is worth more to them as this quasi-independent province (thanks to all the trade done there). China is trying to portray itself as a friendly, peaceful nation and crushing a rebellious territory though military force doesn't really help them project that image. The longer it goes on though the more likely it will happen. Especially if they keep disrupting the trade in the region. Just ask the poor Tiananmen square protesters what happens when you stand up for your rights and don't have the means to take them.

They are a brutal murderous regime. A regime with more blood on their hands than Nazi Germany. People seem to forget what they have done, but there is at least 60 million (I personally believe closer to 100 million) dead with them to thank. The annexation of Tibet and the genocide against them, the genocide currently happening against the Uighurs, all murdered Chinese to make their country. The scary part is we all choose to stick our heads in the sand about it.

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #89 on: September 02, 2019, 07:58:37 »
The only thing that will defuse this is allowing Hong Kong to go its own way or allow the UK to resume its control over the restive city.
Wow.  Just wow.    :facepalm:


Maybe Trump should buy Hong Kong.  It would slap PRC and  teach those ungrateful Danes and Greenlanders!   :nod:

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #90 on: September 02, 2019, 08:37:34 »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-official-slams-flag-burning-seeks-talks-hong-kong-update/ar-AAGEPOX?ocid=spartanntp
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe a locally-imposed state of emergency might be enough to 1)  get a grip, 2) maintain enough stability to satisfy the markets, and 3)  keep "the neighbours" out?  Perhaps something similar to Poland in the early 1980's, when they declared martial law as an alternative to their "neighbours" coming in to get a grip like they had elsewhere.

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #91 on: September 03, 2019, 13:25:38 »
A bit more detail on the big honkin' ship that dropped by Hong Kong during the garrison roto ...
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In the hours of darkness of 28 August, a large Chinese cargo ship disgorged unknown amounts of troops and military equipment at Stonecutters Island Naval Base in Hong Kong. The mysterious appearance of the ship comes against a background of rumours over whether the Chinese government will send People’s Liberation Army (PLA) or People’s Armed Police (PAP) troops on to Hong Kong streets to subdue its unruly citizens.

The ship in question, Chang Da Long, is a 140.5m-long vehicle carrier. It arrived at Stonecutters Island at 17:36 on 28 August and, after unloading its cargo, departed by 23:19. In total, the 19,864t vessel was berthed at the PLA naval base for 5.5h.

Its presence in Hong Kong was ostensibly part of the annual rotation of troops and equipment of the PLA Hong Kong Garrison, something that occurs every year on 28 August. It is normal for night-time road convoys containing tactical and armoured vehicles to cross over the border from Shenzhen, but the presence of a conscripted civilian cargo vessel has never been observed before by Shephard.

What was the vessel carrying and why was its arrival kept so secretive?

For example, the PLA refused to notify the Hong Kong’s Marine Department of the ship’s arrival, nor did any harbour pilot board the vehicle carrier.

Ship tracking reveals that Chang Da Long had sailed from Shekou in nearby Shenzhen immediately prior to its brief voyage to Hong Kong. Shekou is close to where a large PAP formation had recently conducted anti-riot drills in a sports stadium. The ship presumably picked up equipment and troops at Shekou, but it is entirely unclear what and how much.

Even more concerning is the fact that Chang Da Long had turned off its automatic identification system before arriving in Shekou, although it is known to have steamed from a southwest direction.

Why did the PLA want to keep its prior route a secret? Numerous military units are stationed southwest of Hong Kong, including two brigades of the PLA Navy Marine Corps in Zhanjiang.

CCTV released a video clip about the 22nd troop rotation of the Hong Kong Garrison, and it included brief images of Chang Da Long in Hong Kong. It showed hundreds of regular PLA troops disembarking on foot, with military vehicles visible aboard one of the ship’s decks. The video clip later shows Dongfeng EQ2050 4x4 tactical vehicles driving along the naval base quay.

( ... )

While all this was going on, long road convoys of PLA vehicles drove into Hong Kong from Huanggang Port in Shenzhen. Vehicles included EQ1050 4x4 trucks and Type 92B 6x6 armoured personnel carriers (APCs), though all this equipment is already familiar to the garrison.

Unfortunately, the South China Morning Post incorrectly reported that water cannon-armed WJ-03B 6x6 APCs of the PAP were sent to the garrison via convoy. These latter vehicles look similar to the Type 92B, but they possess a different camouflage pattern and the reporter was misled by the fact that their turret-mounted cannons were removed for the road movement ...
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #92 on: September 03, 2019, 14:47:57 »
A bit more detail on the big honkin' ship that dropped by Hong Kong during the garrison roto ...More @ link

An interesting coincidence with Tienanmen square... they moved out the 'in place' troops (who they suspected had been too sympathetic to the protesters) and brought in a new bunch.
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #93 on: September 03, 2019, 14:51:01 »
An interesting coincidence with Tienanmen square... they moved out the 'in place' troops (who they suspected had been too sympathetic to the protesters) and brought in a new bunch.

I wouldn't be surprised if the front line police are actually PAP secretly rotated in and all the actual Hong Kong police are in admin and support roles, less you have insurrection if police turned and joined protestors.
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #94 on: October 01, 2019, 07:44:05 »
It’s getting bad. Police opened fire, at least one dead, potentially up to 15 more wounded. There’s a clear and graphic video of a police officer surrounded by protesters drawing a handgun and shooting a protester in the chest at point blank range.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-protests-today-shooting-live-round-china-national-day-a9127561.html
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #95 on: October 01, 2019, 08:42:43 »
Where are the Royal Rifles and Winnipeg Grenadiers when you need them?
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #96 on: October 01, 2019, 08:57:40 »
Where are the Royal Rifles and Winnipeg Grenadiers when you need them?
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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #97 on: October 01, 2019, 09:02:17 »
It’s getting bad. Police opened fire, at least one dead, potentially up to 15 more wounded. There’s a clear and graphic video of a police officer surrounded by protesters drawing a handgun and shooting a protester in the chest at point blank range.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/hong-kong-protests-today-shooting-live-round-china-national-day-a9127561.html

I'm just surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #98 on: October 01, 2019, 09:24:55 »
I agree with you. It would be a good sign for the Central Committee to allow Hong Kong to be separate within China . If they ever hope to get Taiwan back that will be the path forward. So far the regime doesnt want to use force but patience is running out I suspect.

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Re: PRC Is Ready to Invade Hong Kong
« Reply #99 on: October 06, 2019, 11:26:20 »
Video by Michael Yon on protest activities in Hong Kong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPhOlOS36AQ&t=18s

The confined environment must be giving the PLA planners some real nightmares.
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