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Re: F15X
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2019, 15:07:01 »
F-22 cut, by DefSec Gates, holdover from Bush admin, because of high cost and little perceived threat from Russia/China at the time; plus F-35 expected actually to be in service in a few years (hah!):
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-jul-22-na-f-22-plane22-story.html

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Re: F15X
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2019, 15:53:18 »
It was labelled a "cold war relic" by Gates and used as an example of a defence industry gone astray in terms of spiralling costs. Even John McCain voted against funding it further.
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Re: F15X
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2019, 16:19:36 »
Quoting from the article above, but not knowing how to only quote one line without quoting the whole thing...it was stated that 2028 is the latest they believe an aircraft could operate in contested airspace, without 5th generation aircraft being required.

We need to remember though that contested airspace isn't always contested for very long.  Just because it's contested at the beginning of a conflict doesn't mean it isn't utterly owned within a few days or a few weeks.


Substantial AD threats such as the S-400 aren't going to be replaced as quickly as they are destroyed in an all out conflict.  Between sea launched cruise missiles, air strikes, etc - I imagine most substantial air defense threats will be taken out of service fairly quickly.  MANPADS is another issue altogether.


The USAF needs a solid air superiority fighter with good range & a solid weapons carriage capability.  With state of the art radar and EW systems, and an airframe designed for 20,000hrs - the F-15X seems like a great compliment to the F35, and allows the F-15C to finally be taken out of service. 
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Re: F15X
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2019, 12:46:49 »
Mind you for how long can we sustain air to air missile expenditure in any peer to peer conflict?

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Re: F15X
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2019, 23:48:41 »
Why was the F22 cut prematurely?


And instead of concentrating on stealth why not jam pack a plane with weapons and sensors and counter measures. It can't sneak around but it can see stuff, shoot at stuff and take a beating. Like an A10 flying around with one engine and half a wing missing.

Make flying tanks instead of something super fragile.

By that line of reasoning, the B-1R is the way to go. It would have an even greater range than any conceivable fighter, carry a boatload of munitions n internal and external racks and even have a dash speed of Mach 2.2. Given emerging technologies the internal volume can also be used in the future to carry a laser weapon, hypersonic missiles or even a scaled down railgun, allowing the attack of targets on the surface all the way to Low Earth Orbit,
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