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Army Uniform Change
« on: November 13, 2018, 08:48:07 »
Its a nod to the WW2 era uniform dubbed pinks and greens. The officer uniform is sharp.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/11/11/for-veterans-day-the-army-has-a-present-a-long-awaited-new-service-uniform/ 


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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2018, 08:58:33 »
Every one is jumping on the retro bandwagon. Two years and we will see sanbrowns on Canadian officers, and Subalturns with swagger sticks.
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2018, 09:04:03 »
Every one is jumping on the retro bandwagon. Two years and we will see sanbrowns on Canadian officers, and Subalturns with swagger sticks.
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2018, 09:47:05 »
Every one is jumping on the retro bandwagon. Two years and we will see sanbrowns on Canadian officers, and Subalturns with swagger sticks.

Having worn a Sam Browne and carried a swagger stick, I surely hope not. :nana:

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2018, 10:05:29 »
Wait a minute!

Are you saying that CANSOF were visionaries? Anticipating the US going retro?

One wonders!

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2018, 10:28:08 »
Wait a minute!

Are you saying that CANSOF were visionaries? Anticipating the US going retro?

One wonders!

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Wonder how our Colonial Masters (the US) think about us upstaging them? LOL!

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2018, 10:37:13 »
Don't anybody even whisper the word "puttees".

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2018, 11:08:29 »
Having worn a Sam Browne and carried a swagger stick, I surely hope not. :nana:

Don't anybody even whisper the word "puttees".


I think we should bring back puttees as a discipline and training measure ... done upside down for the Gunners, of course. Wrapping puttees in the manner likely to be approved by any given senior NCO was ideal training for junior officers and i think that learning how to do dumb things for no good reason is very probably required training for all the Daves in NDHQ.

I have no brief for a or against swagger sticks, except that they're like berets: OK for some, actually for a few, but unlikely to look good on the masses, especially if the masses wear blue uniforms.

The Same Browne poses all kinds of socio-economic challenges ... reintroducing the Sam Browne will, almost certainly, mean re-introducing the batman because I am 99.99% certain that no commissioned officer could ever manage to devote the time, effort and, yes, skill needed to put a proper shine on a Sam Browne belt ... and I know the Americans have plastic belts and shoes but, c'mon, really that's so ...     
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2018, 12:11:13 »

I think we should bring back puttees as a discipline and training measure ... done upside down for the Gunners, of course.   

We (the Gunners) used to wrap our puttees from the top down, while the rest of the army started at the bottom and wrapped them in an upwards direction. Don't ask me why; I remember the RSM when I was on recruit training in the RCA Depot explained the reason which had to do with horses, but it wasn't very convincing then, and hasn't improved with age. And just to be cranky, those of us serving in 4 RCHA wrapped our's in the opposite direction to the rest of the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery. About halfway through OCP Phase One our course staff finally noticed I was wrapping my puttees a la 4 RCHA, and I had to buy a new pair and wear them in the accepted RCA manner.


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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2018, 13:07:54 »
All this spending on fancy dress uniform designs and redesigns takes away from bullets, gaskets, nuts and bolts. What are all these "leaders" thinking? Is there nothing more useful for them to be doing?
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2018, 13:10:30 »
"leaders"

I think you sum it up pretty nicely.

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2018, 13:11:43 »
We (the Gunners) used to wrap our puttees from the top down, while the rest of the army started at the bottom and wrapped them in an upwards direction. Don't ask me why; I remember the RSM when I was on recruit training in the RCA Depot explained the reason which had to do with horses, but it wasn't very convincing then, and hasn't improved with age. And just to be cranky, those of us serving in 4 RCHA wrapped our's in the opposite direction to the rest of the Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery. About halfway through OCP Phase One our course staff finally noticed I was wrapping my puttees a la 4 RCHA, and I had to buy a new pair and wear them in the accepted RCA manner.

4 RCHA?  There are photos of 4 RCHA training at Camp Utopia, just outside of St George NB at the legion hall there.
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2018, 13:20:25 »
Current US Army blues, which (sharp) "pinks and greens replace, are really 19th century retro, almost silly:





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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2018, 13:27:52 »
4 RCHA?  There are photos of 4 RCHA training at Camp Utopia, just outside of St George NB at the legion hall there.

When 4 RCHA returned to Canada from Korea in 1954, it was stationed at Camp Utopia, along with W Battery which was a light battery with 12 4.2-inch mortars. The regiment recruited and trained back to establishment and then deployed to Germany in late 1955. Meantime W Battery remained in Utopia and then was moved to Petawawa as a medium battery to rejoin 4 RCHA when it returned from Germany in 1957.

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2018, 13:29:55 »
Current US Army blues, which (sharp) "pinks and greens replace, are really 19th century retro, almost silly:

The kicker is they don't fully replace the Blues.  The Blues will still be used on formal occasions.
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2018, 13:43:53 »
Quick!  Bring back the duck hunter garrison dress!
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2018, 14:20:13 »
All this spending on fancy dress uniform designs and redesigns takes away from bullets, gaskets, nuts and bolts. What are all these "leaders" thinking? Is there nothing more useful for them to be doing?

Ok, so FIRST, you HAV Eto have a section of your HQ/Supply chain dedicated to uniforms just as much as you need a section dedicated to bullets; otherwise, we'd order one set of uniforms, and then never replace them until facebook warriors started plastering pictures of our ripped, worn, and old OD uniforms all over the internet.

SECOND, we don't, as a policy, hire narrow minded lazy people and direct people to do nothing but what the last guy did, with blinders on, unthinking and unchanging. Instead, we try and hire thinkers and innovators.

So, this is a reality of a modern, innovative and well funded military. Someone who's job it was to monitor the uniforms for literally hundreads of thousands of soldiers as part of their regular periodic review of the quality and function of their uniforms decided to do something that he, in his or her best judgment, would improve their military.

If you have problems with bullets and boots, go complain to the people they put in charge of bullets and boot. Don't hate on the guys in charge of uniforms for trying to make positive change.
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2018, 20:28:15 »
Ok, so FIRST, you HAV Eto have a section of your HQ/Supply chain dedicated to uniforms just as much as you need a section dedicated to bullets; otherwise, we'd order one set of uniforms, and then never replace them until facebook warriors started plastering pictures of our ripped, worn, and old OD uniforms all over the internet. - Agreed, never said otherwise.

SECOND, we don't, as a policy, hire narrow minded lazy people and direct people to do nothing but what the last guy did, with blinders on, unthinking and unchanging. Instead, we try and hire thinkers and innovators. Agreed, it's not a policy, sometimes a reality though. 

So, this is a reality of a modern, innovative and well funded military. Someone who's job it was to monitor the uniforms for literally hundreads of thousands of soldiers as part of their regular periodic review of the quality and function of their uniforms decided to do something that he, in his or her best judgment, would improve their military. You lost me here. NOWHERE does anybody mention that changing styles and colours of uniforms as set out in this particular thread has anything to do improving the military, the quality of uniforms or the function (other than the function of impressionistic eye candy made of rayon, cotton and brass buttons]. To be very clear the primary, and overriding function(s) of a military uniform are safety, durability, utility (actual) and purpose. Looking great to play smash mouth with majors and generals does not fit into any of those functions, but I guess anyone can feel free to colour that any way they wish when they are spending other peoples money.

If you have problems with bullets and boots, go complain to the people they put in charge of bullets and boot. Don't hate on the guys in charge of uniforms for trying to make positive change. Capital B, Capital S. You've misconstrued the post that I made.  There is a lot to be said for a decent uniform, and guess what, everybody already has one, with fancy buttons, collar dogs, old British rank symbols etc. There is no pressing need for anything new in that department. None of those new dress uniforms will put a bullet into the bad guys, stomp on a bush fire or help an OD heave a hawser through a cathole. And since you brought it up, it may be that budget line items for boots and bullets are not adjusted as a direct correlation to new dress uniforms, but certainly new budget lines are created for fancy pants and collars, all from the same budget votes. Plus, if I had a "hate" on, I would have said so, because I'm just like that.... 
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2018, 20:53:06 »
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How about ensuring the troops have the proper operational kit and equipment then worry about retro uniforms.

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2018, 21:50:30 »

If you have problems with bullets and boots, go complain to the people they put in charge of bullets and boot. Don't hate on the guys in charge of uniforms for trying to make positive change. Capital B, Capital S. You've misconstrued the post that I made.  There is a lot to be said for a decent uniform, and guess what, everybody already has one, with fancy buttons, collar dogs, old British rank symbols etc. There is no pressing need for anything new in that department. None of those new dress uniforms will put a bullet into the bad guys, stomp on a bush fire or help an OD heave a hawser through a cathole. And since you brought it up, it may be that budget line items for boots and bullets are not adjusted as a direct correlation to new dress uniforms, but certainly new budget lines are created for fancy pants and collars, all from the same budget votes. Plus, if I had a "hate" on, I would have said so, because I'm just like that.... 

This is where you lost me Whiskey601... This thread is about the American Service uniform... No British ranks. They have a much larger budget and routinely ask Congress for more if they spend what they had. It seems unlikely the new dress uniform (rolled out over a number of fiscal years) will put a large dent in that budget and certainly seems unlikely to take away from bullets and operations. When it comes to the US military, it's a lot less a zero sum game then our budgets here...
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2018, 22:44:15 »
Uniforms are paid out of the uniform allowance each soldier receives so it doesn't affect the budget which also includes beans and bullets.

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2018, 22:45:28 »
Its a nod to the WW2 era uniform dubbed pinks and greens. The officer uniform is sharp.

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/11/11/for-veterans-day-the-army-has-a-present-a-long-awaited-new-service-uniform/

Good for them. The uniform it replaces is just plain old ugly and non-Army.
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2018, 00:38:31 »
Good for them. The uniform it replaces is just plain old ugly and non-Army.

...but it doesn't fully replace anything, since the Blues are still going to be used in formal situations.  I guess it would be like the equivalent of the USMC olive drab uniform instead of their high collars.
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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2018, 05:20:02 »
The Army Blue uniform was the duty uniform worn during the Revolution.Brits wore scarlet and the Continental army wore blue.

http://erasgone.blogspot.com/2012/12/back-to-blue-after-108-years-us-army.html

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Re: Army Uniform Change
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2018, 19:02:11 »
Having worn a Sam Browne and carried a swagger stick, I surely hope not. :nana:

I would take that over the unification business suit with badges we have now :-/  I personally think the brits have a sharp looking Army uniform...and looking good in a uniform is good for morale and worth investing some money on.