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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2018, 18:08:25 »
But, seriously.  I have one faded but serviceable and two "good condition" old style shirts without all the new Velcro.  So do a lot of other people.  As with a  lot of other people, my clothing stores will not exchange my old patter shirts for new pattern shirts because they still have some wear in them and the new shirts are in short supply in my size.  Perhaps spending $750K on more shirts should have come before new patches that many people cannot currently wear.

I'm jealously protecting my old style shirts precisely so that I don't have to participate in the 'patchy one upmanship' game :)
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2018, 18:13:07 »
But, seriously.  I have one faded but serviceable and two "good condition" old style shirts without all the new Velcro.  So do a lot of other people.  As with a  lot of other people, my clothing stores will not exchange my old patter shirts for new pattern shirts because they still have some wear in them and the new shirts are in short supply in my size.  Perhaps spending $750K on more shirts should have come before new patches that many people cannot currently wear.

Maybe if all those folks in Ottawa wandering about their air conditioned office towers would return their CADPAT uniforms there would be more than enough for the folks who actually need them.

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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2018, 18:27:07 »
Yay.  Another "squirrel" to distract away from the larger failings of our procurement system. 

Can't deliver vehicles on time. 
Can't buy (new) fighters. 
Can't buy (good) boots.   
Etc. Etc.

But hey, here are some nifty velcro garrison badges.  See! The system works.

But then again, I have been accused of being overly cynical at times....
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2018, 19:18:43 »


I'll make sure to hang onto my slip-on style, velcroless, combat top until the thing is see-through.

On another note, who in their right mind does any sort of PT with boots? Sounds like a VAC claim waiting to happen.

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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2018, 19:22:50 »

On another note, who in their right mind does any sort of PT with boots? Sounds like a VAC claim waiting to happen.

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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2018, 19:23:10 »
Maybe if all those folks in Ottawa wandering about their air conditioned office towers would return their CADPAT uniforms there would be more than enough for the folks who actually need them.

Same for aircrew.  We don't wear CADPAT but have 4 sets of pristine ones.  I'm shocked that we weren't told to return them along with rucks and sleeping bags.
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2018, 19:24:39 »
Maybe they should upgrade the ICE and wet weather jackets first so that we can utilize one rank identifier, not two. Then we could eliminate troops wandering around with no rank on their outerwear because the RQ is short of the old slip-on style but has plenty of Velcro ones...

Even simpler solution: 

- Find a slip-on and sew velcro (the fuzzy part) to the front. 
- Stick the velcro ranks to slip-on.
- ???
- Profit
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2018, 19:27:34 »
People that do rucksack marches

Then wear combats.

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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2018, 19:35:23 »
Then wear combats.

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Meh, either way is fine, usually carrying weapons = combat and leisurely stroll with pack is PT top. 

I go to the gym at lunch in combats and often throw on a PT shirt so I don't sweat in my t shirt I will be wearing for the rest of the day.  So glad they made it an official dress so I don't get jacked up.  /s
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2018, 21:05:05 »
On another note, who in their right mind does any sort of PT with boots? Sounds like a VAC claim waiting to happen.

To quote a British PTI, "Well, what are you going to do when you actually get in combat, switch into Nike shoes?"

I try and do PT in combat boots once a week.  This includes putting the ruck on and shuffling/tabbing out a "Truscott Trot."
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2018, 21:35:27 »
On another note, who in their right mind does any sort of PT with boots? Sounds like a VAC claim waiting to happen.

Really? Awesome... I've got a few thousand miles of that kind of PT to claim then :)
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2018, 21:39:14 »
$750,000 buys about 12 top end manpack radios or likely only 2 trucks.

Patches were probably easier to push through the PSPC procurement labyrinth.

Imagine what the cost would be if they elected to get LOW-VISIBILITY brigade patches for CADPAT like the Americans do it.

How much would THAT cost?
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2018, 22:52:43 »
Yay.  Another "squirrel" to distract away from the larger failings of our procurement system. 

Can't deliver vehicles on time. 
Can't buy (new) fighters. 
Can't buy (good) boots.   
Etc. Etc.

But hey, here are some nifty velcro garrison badges that you'll have to buy from CANEX.  See! The system works.

But then again, I have been accused of being overly cynical at times....
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2018, 23:13:18 »
Imagine what the cost would be if they elected to get LOW-VISIBILITY brigade patches for CADPAT like the Americans do it.

How much would THAT cost?

 Well really both badges should exist in both forms. We need a high vis for Garrison and a low vis for field work;).

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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2018, 23:17:56 »
Well really both badges should exist in both forms. We need a high vis for Garrison and a low vis for field work;).

And coordinated changing of low-to-high vis patches upon returning from the field!  A "change parade", even!

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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2018, 23:22:10 »
Well really both badges should exist in both forms. We need a high vis for Garrison and a low vis for field work;).

We already have that: hi and lo visibility Canada Flags. Might as well go the 'whole hog.' ;)
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2018, 00:39:15 »


For the various qual/skill badges that will come about....    Agreed.

Div/Bde patches are to be issued.  But then, does anyone (outside the Good Idea Fairy Office) really want Div and/or Bde patches anyway?
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2018, 04:42:03 »
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2018, 06:06:25 »
So it would seem.  So, I too will be keeping my old style shirts as long as possible.
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2018, 09:43:56 »
And coordinated changing of low-to-high vis patches upon returning from the field!  A "change parade", even!

 :rofl:

Surely, somewhere an adjutant is writing an OPORD as we speak...
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2018, 10:04:37 »
Ah, yes, the REMFs need to have even MORE influence on normal soldiers' lives.  Forgot all about that...!
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2018, 13:16:31 »
To quote a British PTI, "Well, what are you going to do when you actually get in combat, switch into Nike shoes?"

Why not? The Spetsnaz famously wore knock-off Adidas (Mockba) and Chinese tennis shows in Afghanistan. They actually used Mockba right up until they stopped making them in 2011 and they switched to something a little more military.
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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2018, 17:41:43 »
Clearly, we need Health Services to begin surgically implanting velcro into the foreheads of all people who wear an Army DEU to they can stick their rank there and have it visible, regardless of the uniform being worn.

That will be handy; if they do that the enemy can zero in on the high vis rank and be on target at no risk to the good idea club... :whistle:

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Re: New Army Dress regulations unveiled
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2018, 18:11:29 »
Clearly, we need Health Services to begin surgically implanting velcro into the foreheads of all people who wear an Army DEU to they can stick their rank there and have it visible, regardless of the uniform being worn.
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