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Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« on: September 11, 2018, 00:06:33 »
Where is the shore patrol ? Rowdy sailors from the HMS QE wear out their welcome.carrier has a pub lol ;D

https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2018/09/09/drunken-british-sailors-are-invading-florida-and-beating-each-other-up-because-why-not/ 


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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 01:25:14 »
Something something tradition   ;)
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 08:42:36 »
Six sailors arrested, out of a complement‎ of ‎679.  :panic:

If you get past the headline... OK, and the abysmal Fox 'news' writing style... the only actual complaint is that the sailors didn't tip well.   ::)
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 09:57:10 »
Six sailors arrested, out of a complement‎ of ‎679.  :panic:

If you get past the headline... OK, and the abysmal Fox 'news' writing style... the only actual complaint is that the sailors didn't tip well.   ::)

6 were actually arrested.  That does not mean a whole pile of others were not involved in one way or another.
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 10:13:46 »
Six sailors arrested, out of a complement‎ of ‎679.  :panic:

If you get past the headline... OK, and the abysmal Fox 'news' writing style... the only actual complaint is that the sailors didn't tip well.   ::)

Likely as they don't get paid as much as the waitress think they do.

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2018, 10:19:34 »
How to tip while ashore wasn't covered Basic training.

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2018, 10:38:43 »
Covered in basic or not, T6, it does not matter to RN ratings. You just can't tip on a RN ratings pay.

As far as standard of living is concerned, you can compare their pay expressed in pounds directly to our North American salaries in dollars as the cost of living in the UK permits such comparison.

Just comparing UK to Canadian seaman's pay:

Ordinary seaman to leading seaman top incentive levels: UK -> 19000 Pounds to 36404 pounds. Canadians -> C$ 35820 to C$ 65292.

Just doesn't compare, does it?

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2018, 10:46:51 »
No. Entry level pay I suppose. I tip 20% of the bill but a young guy surely could afford 10 ?

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2018, 10:54:09 »
No. Entry level pay I suppose. I tip 20% of the bill but a young guy surely could afford 10 ?

British Forces are always quite willing to give waitresses the tip.... just not the one they were expecting. Hence the article I suppose ;)
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2018, 11:01:17 »
Who said anything about young guys (or gals, in the UK, BTW  ;) )?

I did not include their pay during basic, which is even lower. And the top number of 36000 pounds is something they would need 9 years of service to achieve. They truly don't pay their people over there, and unlike your people in the US, they don't get extra breaks such as highly subsidized lodging or food at the BX, etc.

For a moment, I thought the poor tiping could have been related to the way they were treated by the attending staff - but just for a very fleeting moment, because my experience in the US is that, outside NYC and LA, food services attendants of all types are just some of the friendliest people I know.
 

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2018, 11:27:17 »
According to the article, “I don’t think they knew they were doing anything wrong” suggests (to me) that the tip amount is a UK cultural issue rather than pay scale or wait staff service.  :dunno:
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2018, 12:17:15 »
I can't remember - is tipping at all expected in the UK?  It's not a thing in Australia/New Zealand or a lot of continental Europe.
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2018, 14:09:55 »
I can't remember - is tipping at all expected in the UK?  It's not a thing in Australia/New Zealand or a lot of continental Europe.

Many countries have the gratuity (up to 15%) included in the bill at the restaurant.  Normal tip is 5-10% in countries that do not include.  10% is considered a big tip in many European countries.

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2018, 15:54:26 »
I was surprised there was a pub on the carrier.

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2018, 16:01:23 »
Covered in basic or not, T6, it does not matter to RN ratings. You just can't tip on a RN ratings pay.

As far as standard of living is concerned, you can compare their pay expressed in pounds directly to our North American salaries in dollars as the cost of living in the UK permits such comparison.

Just comparing UK to Canadian seaman's pay:

Ordinary seaman to leading seaman top incentive levels: UK -> 19000 Pounds to 36404 pounds. Canadians -> C$ 35820 to C$ 65292.

Just doesn't compare, does it?

Not an enormous different looking at current exchange rates on bank of Canada and an exchange house.  Conversion works out to roughly $32500 to $62200 Canadian.  Approx $3k less.
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2018, 16:17:45 »
And you, CountDc, are not reading what I said.

You have to compare the actual cost of  living in national currency in each country to compare. in other words, the buying power of the currency.

In the UK, everything is , expressed in pounds, about the same as in Canada. In other words, if you buy a latte at Starbuck for $3.00 in Canada, the same latte will set you back 3.00 pounds in the UK. So the buying power of a pound, in the UK, is the same as the buying power of a dollar in Canada.

Put in a final way: One pound in the UK is like a dollar in Canada. therefore, their salaries are like between $19,000 and $36,000 if they lived in Canada as far as buying power is concerned.

They are way under paid compared to us. Period.

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2018, 16:18:40 »
I was surprised there was a pub on the carrier.

It's just the name the Chiefs and Petty Officer's mess give their actual mess.

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2018, 16:25:50 »
It's just the name the Chiefs and Petty Officer's mess give their actual mess.

Looks like a pub to me.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-largest-ever-warship-traditional-13092257
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2018, 16:31:46 »
I would have expected you, of all people, Chief Stoker, to get that something installed "in" the senior NCO's mess of a British warship is part of the C&PO's mess rather than a 'pub" open to all onboard.

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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2018, 16:36:49 »
I would have expected you, of all people, Chief Stoker, to get that something installed "in" the senior NCO's mess of a British warship is part of the C&PO's mess rather than a 'pub" open to all onboard.

All I'm saying it looks like a traditional pub, who knows what the Jr's or the wardroom looks like. I would of preferred an pub open to everyone.
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2018, 17:26:00 »
All I'm saying it looks like a traditional pub, who knows what the Jr's or the wardroom looks like. I would of preferred an pub open to everyone.

I know that we have enough problems with mess mingling on our ships. Can you imagine the shyte show that a mixed mess in a carrier would produce?

As the Deck O in VAN I had a very pointed conversation with some of the female subbie MARS (NWO) officers when I found out the Bosun's were inviting them down to the main cave. I also had the Buffer do the same within the department as well.
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2018, 17:58:38 »
Good publicity and the advantage of a dedicated custom for their ale makes good business sense.  While I'm sure that the Senior Rates' Mess can't become a "tied house", the likelihood of them buying from anyone other than Wadworth (which appears to be one of the bigger brewers in the Portsmouth area - like most of Europe, beer is regional) is slim.  It's probably a similar arrangement to what we had in the messes in Lahr and Baden.  While there were some bottled special beers from outside the local area, the brewery that provided the on-tap suds also provided the bar equipment; if we bought from someone else they'd want their taps back.

https://www.wadworth.co.uk/article/news/wadworth-helps-royal-navy-sailors-quench-their-thirst-on-board-hms-queen-elizabeth/
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Wadworth refurbs HMS Queen Elizabeth bar for Royal Navy sailors

Wadworth, the independent family brewer and regional pub operator has helped the Royal Navy to refurbish the bar within the WOs & SRs’ Mess on board the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth.

The bar, now re-named The Queen’s Head, is housed in an upgraded Senior Rates Mess area and has its own hand painted sign by the brewer’s own sign writers. Now completed, the new bar stocks a range of bottled Wadworth ales from 6X and Swordfish along with the specially brewed beer Carrier Ale.

Wadworth has installed the bar area as part of a full mess refurbishment project, alongside the team on board HMS Queen Elizabeth and in conjunction with the Royal Navy Royal Marines Charity (RNRMC), Nuffield Trust, BAe Systems and RN Rebalancing Lives funding.

The new Mess will cater primarily for the Senior Rates on board ship and provides them with a dedicated area in which to relax and socialise whilst at sea.

CEO for Wadworth, Chris Welham said, “We are delighted to finally see the bar come to life. It has been a long time in the planning, well before the Carrier was commissioned last year. The Mess looks really great and will provide a relaxing environment along with some fine beer for the team on board when they have some downtime.”

The Senior Rates of HMS Queen Elizabeth are very grateful for the work that Wadworth have done. On behalf of the Mess President, WO1 Dave Garraghty stated, “The ‘Queen’s Head is very much in keeping with the standards expected of the future Fleet Flagship and we look forward to becoming THE venue for both our sailors and Embarked Forces to relax in throughout our time in commission”.

The official reopening of the Mess took place on 13 August and was attended by Capt Jerry Kyd RN Commanding Officer HMS Queen Elizabeth, Mandy Lindley, Director of Relationships & Funding at the Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity, and Chris Welham, CEO, and Jonathan Thomas, commercial director for Wadworth.

Carrier Ale was brewed specifically for the commissioning of the new carrier by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth in November last year. It is a 3.6% Pale Ale and delivers clean and refreshing light malt notes combined with the classic strong hop flavour finishing with crisp bitterness. It is always best served at 'sea' temperature. For every bottle that is sold in the pub, 5p will be donated to The Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity.

The team on board who will run the Queen’s Head are pictured left to right: WO2 Cozzie Costema, PO Dan Young and CPO(PTI) Sticky Vercoe.


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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2018, 18:18:42 »
I know that we have enough problems with mess mingling on our ships. Can you imagine the shyte show that a mixed mess in a carrier would produce?

As the Deck O in VAN I had a very pointed conversation with some of the female subbie MARS (NWO) officers when I found out the Bosun's were inviting them down to the main cave. I also had the Buffer do the same within the department as well.
As if I didn't have enough issues, I didn't need horny bosn's and subbies causing further mayhem!

Just need a few good bouncers.
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2018, 20:35:04 »
I can't remember - is tipping at all expected in the UK?  It's not a thing in Australia/New Zealand or a lot of continental Europe.

My last trip to Scotland, one of the RAF SEEDCORN guys was on our crew; he noticed we were tipping at every place we went out to eat.  He said, unlike in Canada, tipping isn't expected but is used for great service (friendly, quick, etc) vice 'the norm'.

I tipped everywhere regardless, even the coffee shops, Turkish barbers, etc.
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2018, 21:30:22 »
I can't remember - is tipping at all expected in the UK?  It's not a thing in Australia/New Zealand or a lot of continental Europe.

Yes and no. A typically British approach to the issue, of course :)
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Re: Royal Navy Invade Florida- Locals Angry
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2018, 10:29:35 »
If you tip in Malaysia, they give a look like "Are you so dumb that you can't count?" then hand you the money back.