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US vs Canada
« on: June 10, 2018, 15:34:38 »
I hope the grown ups can restore our relationship. But Roland Paris comments are probably held by Trudeau and his party.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-trudeau-adviser-trump-is-a-pathetic-little-man-child/ar-AAysub9?ocid=spartandhp

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2018, 16:13:56 »
I hope the grown ups can restore our relationship. But Roland Paris comments are probably held by Trudeau and his party.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-trudeau-adviser-trump-is-a-pathetic-little-man-child/ar-AAysub9?ocid=spartandhp
Trudeau isn't the one saying that the relationship is a 10/10 hours before blasting the president as weak  over twitter from the safety of his plane.
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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2018, 19:19:28 »
And Trudeau didn't make his comments on Trump while he was present either, or did he?
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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2018, 19:48:48 »
And Trudeau didn't make his comments on Trump while he was present either, or did he?
Canadian officials said he did,  and to boot,  Trudeau said the same thing before and after the G7 summit,  that putting tariffs on Canada using national security as the reasoning was insulting.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2018, 20:44:08 »
Context, context, context.

Like most, the initial reports that I saw about the latest wrinkle in the Canada/US relationship were (depending on the news outlet being viewed) either focused on the comments from the Trump administration mouthpieces (along the president's tweets) or repeats of the "snippet" of PM Trudeau's press conference in which he held us out to be "polite, reasonable, but not push aroundable" - all there needed to be to complete the stereotype was a bottle of maple syrup and a toque on the podium.  If, as some commentators would have us believe, that comment from the PM was the sole purpose of the presser and part of his prepared statement, then perhaps a look at the entire press conference would be in order.  Of course, I don't expect most will want to wade through the first eight and a half minutes (really only four minutes content since it is in both languages) but there are some interesting things said there, but not necessarily related to this controversy.  However, maybe it is worthwhile to pick it up when the PM opened the floor to questions.

https://youtu.be/cI25Xhz1qnk?t=519

and more specifically https://youtu.be/cI25Xhz1qnk?t=700

As can be seen, the now oft played part is in direct response to a very specific question.  While some may not be fans of Mr. Trudeau, it appears (to me anyway) that the answer he provided was specifically on point to the journalist's question.  Though it may not be what the US administration would like to have heard at that particular time, it very clearly lays out the position of the current Canadian government and while the PM does refer to the US president in his comments, he does not make any personal attack against Mr. Trump.  The response, however, was decidedly different.  Both President Trump in his tweets and the two delegated representatives who made the Sunday show rounds resorted to ad hominem attacks on Mr. Trudeau.  If this was played out on these forums, I know who would get the negative milpoints and possibly a warning from the DS.

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2018, 23:20:30 »
The Senate is offering a bill that would prevent the President from placing tariffs using national security as an excuse.I don't know if they have the votes.but if they do Trump can veto the bill.

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2018, 23:43:05 »
The Senate is offering a bill that would prevent the President from placing tariffs using national security as an excuse.I don't know if they have the votes.but if they do Trump can veto the bill.
I understand there are republicans pushing the bill.  You don’t think it could get the votes to deny a veto?

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2018, 01:14:44 »
I understand there are republicans pushing the bill.  You don’t think it could get the votes to deny a veto?

Correct me if I am wrong, but they can deny a veto with a 2/3 vote...no?
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2018, 11:09:42 »
Oddly some democrats are opposed so we wont know until it comes for a vote.It would have to pass the house as well. I saw the interview yesterday on Fox news.

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2018, 20:47:25 »
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-public-anger-at-trumps-bully-tactics-creates-conditions-for-boycott-america-campaign

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The House of Commons voted unanimously to condemn the attacks on the government by Trump and economic advisers Larry Kudlow and Peter Navarro, who said on television Sunday “there is a “special place in hell” for Justin Trudeau – the most preposterous assault on a Canadian politician since former foreign minister John Manley was burned in effigy in the West Bank for agreeing to Palestinian refugees resettling in Canada.

Former prime minister Stephen Harper did more good for Canada than any other single intervention when he appeared on Fox News on Sunday morning, pointing out that the U.S. runs a current account surplus with Canada, and that this country is the biggest single purchaser of American goods and services in the world.

“It seems to me that this is the wrong target and, from what I understand of American public opinion, I don’t think even Trump supporters think the Canadian trade relationship is the problem.
I would totally get behind a boycott america right about now.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2018, 21:00:51 »
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-public-anger-at-trumps-bully-tactics-creates-conditions-for-boycott-america-campaign
I would totally get behind a boycott america right about now.

And that would be the economic equivalent of shooting ourselves in both feet with the ricochet going through our collective heads. Our many years of fawning smugness is about to be slapped off of our faces, sadly:

Canada's staggering trade dependency on the U.S. looks like a liability

Donald Trump’s undeclared trade war on many things Canadian has left the prospects of many U.S.-exposed industries hanging in the balance

http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/canadas-staggering-trade-dependency-on-the-u-s-looks-like-a-liability
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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2018, 21:06:52 »
If you want to hit them in the wallet, put a "national security tax" on all airline tickets to the United States and rescind the duty-free exemption.
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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2018, 21:18:43 »
Kudlow had a heart attack and is under treatment at Walter Reed he is 70.I have liked him for many years and I hope he has a speedy recovery.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-economic-adviser-kudlow-suffers-heart-attack-trump/ar-AAywpHG?ocid=spartandhp

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2018, 21:22:07 »
If you want to hit them in the wallet, put a "national security tax" on all airline tickets to the United States and rescind the duty-free exemption.

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2018, 21:24:51 »
And that would be the economic equivalent of shooting ourselves in both feet with the ricochet going through our collective heads. Our many years of fawning smugness is about to be slapped off of our faces, sadly:

Canada's staggering trade dependency on the U.S. looks like a liability

Donald Trump’s undeclared trade war on many things Canadian has left the prospects of many U.S.-exposed industries hanging in the balance

http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/canadas-staggering-trade-dependency-on-the-u-s-looks-like-a-liability
Depends how Canada hits back.

For example, the battleground state of Ohio.

308,700 jobs in Ohio depend on exports to Canada, worth $18.9 billion annually. Canada buys more goods from Ohio than its next eight largest merchandise export markets combined.
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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2018, 21:32:30 »
Depends how Canada hits back.

For example, the battleground state of Ohio.

308,700 jobs in Ohio depend on exports to Canada, worth $18.9 billion annually. Canada buys more goods from Ohio than its next eight largest merchandise export markets combined.

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2018, 21:58:39 »
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Not dairy products, FFS!  That's what riles Trump.  Maybe he eats too much cheese and is all bound up.  That's why he wants Canadian markets open to US dairy, to get rid of it so that Americans can poop again.
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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2018, 22:05:35 »
Not dairy products, FFS!  That's what riles Trump.  Maybe he eats too much cheese and is all bound up.  That's why he wants Canadian markets open to US dairy, to get rid of it so that Americans can poop again.

No tariff on cheese if you use the above mentioned duty-free exemption.  ;D

It's all good though. I found that they have real Swiss cheese (like from Switzerland Swiss cheese) in bulk at the local Costco (right next to the Balderson Royal Canadian Cheddar). I can join the anti-Trump Ohio cheese boycott now.

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2018, 07:53:20 »
I was looking for butter and I found Kerry gold Irish butter it was quite good.

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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2018, 08:58:22 »
Word on the street is the USA is looking at lessening some of the restrictions on importing various restricted firearm parts and items to Canada.

That seems nationally important.
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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2018, 09:16:59 »
Word on the street is the USA is looking at lessening some of the restrictions on importing various restricted firearm parts and items to Canada.

That seems nationally important.

Could you specify, Jarnhamar? Either you meant to use "exporting" instead of "importing", or to use "from Canada" instead of "to Canada".

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2018, 09:44:42 »

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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2018, 09:53:13 »
I understand that, T6. I am just trying to figure out Jarnhamar's facts.

For instance, he says "word on the street is the US is looking..." Is the "street" he is talking about the street in the US or in Canada? As drafted, it could be either. Then the inversion in the meaning of "importing' and "to". You can "import from" or "export to", so it's a mixed meaning. So I am just trying to understand what he means to say.

And obviously, if the USA want's to lessen the restrictions on exporting restricted arms to Canada, it would not do much unless Canada relaxes it's own rules regarding imports into Canada of said arms.
 

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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2018, 10:06:33 »
I haven't read anything yet that supports his statement.I would think that Canadian law right now unless its for police or CAF use only would be his stumbling block but I am not an expert on Canadian law.

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Re: US vs Canada
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2018, 10:18:18 »
Word on the street is the USA is looking at lessening some of the restrictions on importing various restricted firearm parts and items to Canada.

That seems nationally important.

ITAR restrictions, because god forbid that a Canadian ISIS member gets hold of grip screws for a Sig (I kid you not, they were on the list at one point) ITAR is the best gift that the US could have given China.