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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #100 on: June 27, 2018, 20:05:02 »
Entertaining in an "end of western civilization" kind of a way?

It's the never ending train wreck that I cannot stop looking at.

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« Reply #101 on: June 27, 2018, 23:22:14 »
At least its not Maxine speechifying. ;D

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« Reply #102 on: June 28, 2018, 06:23:20 »
Now I know this was a partisan rally for the Republican candidate but wow, absolute zero pretence that this guy is the leader for all Americans.

It did seem that the crowd was losing steam about 1/2 way through the rally. Maybe it was that northern plains reserve that was kicking in, you betcha!

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« Reply #103 on: June 28, 2018, 18:29:08 »
Here is the White House list of potential nominees issued in 2017.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trumps-supreme-court-list/

According to Vox here are the nine most likely conservative candidates.
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #104 on: July 01, 2018, 06:06:24 »
Putting this here even though it is related to e.g. US vs NATO and US vs G7 ...

It seems to me that President Trump is very nervous about multilateral deals. He might think that multilateral deals allow a bunch of pipsqueaks to 'gang up' on the USA. He appeared open to a renewed, renegotiated Canada-US FTA to replace NAFTA because, I suppose, he thinks that American is in the catbird seat in any one-on-one relationship with Canada.

His new target seems to be the WTO, and I expect that the rest of the legacy of Breton Woods will not be far behind if he ever figures out what they are for.

President Trump seems to believe ~ I suspect that the right word ~ that America does, indeed, have a 'special providence' and that the rules that govern everyone else cannot, must not apply to America.

History suggest, to me anyway, that special providence is a myth; the Babylonians didn't have one; nor the Greeks; the Roman Empire faded away as did the Mogul and Spanish empires; even the mighty, mercantilist British Empire died ... why does anyone think that America is different?

I tearing down institutions that were designed to actually make America more secure, Donald J Trump is just acting as an agent for Putin and Xi Jinping ... he seems to be serving the best interest of America's enemies.  :dunno:
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #105 on: July 01, 2018, 09:22:46 »
President Trump seems to believe ~ I suspect that the right word ~ that America does, indeed, have a 'special providence' and that the rules that govern everyone else cannot, must not apply to America.
If only he was aware of the full expression, generally attributed to Otto von Bismarck -- "God has a special providence for fools, drunks and the United States of America."


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Jacksonianism is less an intellectual or political movement than an expression of the social, cultural and religious values of a large portion of the American public. And it is doubly obscure because it happens to be rooted in one of the portions of the public least represented in the media and the professoriat. Jacksonian America is a folk community with a strong sense of common values and common destiny; though periodically led by intellectually brilliant men—like Andrew Jackson himself—it is neither an ideology nor a self-conscious movement with a clear historical direction or political table of organization. If Jeffersonianism is the book-ideology of the United States, Jacksonian populism is its folk-ideology.
The problem is that Trump isn't remotely "intellectually brilliant," nor does he hold these Jacksonian values in any way, not merely the moderating qualities-- he is simply using them as talking points to appeal to "his base."


[In addition to the article by Mead, The National Interest,  No. 58, Winter 1999/2000, is a special edition on "The Age of Nationalism," which has turned out to be sadly prescient, given that it was published almost 20 years ago]
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #106 on: July 01, 2018, 13:53:51 »

- Jacksonian America is a folk community with a strong sense of common values and common destiny

Interesting, is this also the silent majority that supposedly propelled Nixon* into power when the Democrats did not have leadership that could attract those same Jacksonian values. I still sometimes think there were far more people interested in getting rid of Hillary than looking to Trump for leadership. Perhaps that may have been their only common value.

* Conrad Black: Richard M. Nixon: A Life in Full
"Nixon was the people. He was the representative inhabitant of what Jack Kerouac called 'the great unwashed body of America.' He was laborious but effective, eloquent but not hypnotizing, cynical but compassionate and patriotic. He got where he did by climbing, falling, climbing again, and never ceasing to struggle."  It is my understanding that the description does not fit either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, but people certainly had enough of Clinton.

Now, a lot of people do not like Conrad Black for some strong and probably well justified reasons. But as an author with an interest in American political history, his observations are astute, qualified with the benefit of history and perspective.
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2018, 20:05:11 »
I expect that the rest of the legacy of Breton Woods will not be far behind if he ever figures out what they are for.

Let's just hope he continues to think its a nice golf course for the next few years....
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #108 on: July 03, 2018, 12:40:39 »
Long read.  Sorry, I didn't have time for a short response, but that's the price for not making 10-12 posts/day in the politics diatribes.


Stealing unabashedly from John Lewis Gaddis’ On Grand Strategy (2018), it should be self-evident that “if you seek ends beyond your means, then sooner or later you’ll have to scale back your ends to fit your means.”  No ****, right?  Many leaders, some otherwise geniuses, may forget it.  From Julius Caesar at the Rubicon, Napoleon and Hitler at Russia’s border, and LBJ in Vietnam, all figured that past tactical success assured future strategic dominance.  How did that play out for them?

Trump’s constantly repeated mantra that he’s some form of business genius and great negotiator1 is based on a skewed sense of ‘tactical success,’ in having his businesses successfully granted Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection SIX times!  With that track record of ‘success,’ having Trump as Commander-in-Chief, would make me very worried if I was in the US military;  fortunately, his depth of military thought is limited to visions of a Space Command and wanting to stand on a YUGE podium during a Bastille Day-type parade.

American pre-eminence came from winning two World Wars (mind you, starting by sitting back and making massive profits selling to ‘allies’), and the Cold War.  Contrast this with the subsequent neglect of grand strategic thinking, which led to postwar quagmires and misadventures with either impossible or irrelevant aims.  Show me the strategic thought in kowtowing to dictators, but more importantly, launching a global trade war against everyone else.

Now, I cannot believe that Trump has ANY strategic vision; “Make America Great Again” is a campaign slogan, not a plan.2  Anyone who believes that his thinking is more than 140-charracters deep is denying the evidence – changing policy and contradicting his own staff and personal pronouncements; most massive staff turnover of any US President (even dwarfing Bill Clinton’s presidency); tantrum-like focus on the completely inconsequential; the compulsive, obvious lies usually resulting from whatever random thought passed through his mind at the time….

BOTOM LINE: Trump is in the process of breaking America, simply because he hasn’t a clue about the effects of his actions.  His legacy will long outlive him.  America is decreasingly trusted as either a dependable business, military, or diplomatic partner.  The knock-on effect of his constant undermining the media harms democracy globally.  He is single-handedly going to be responsible for a recession, if not depression, and he doesn’t care – he’ll just claim bankruptcy protection again. 

Someone should tell him that the Chinese may not grant it.



1. Yes, I’ve read Art of the Deal  too.   :boring:
The "co-author," Tony Schwartz expressed regrets about having written the book, and both he and the book's publisher have said that Trump had played no role in the book's actual writing, while Trump has given conflicting accounts on the question of authorship.  Pesky facts.  Fortunately, facts have proven irrelevant for Trump and his supporters.

2.  With this presidency's track record, “Make America Great Again” may have simply been a typo for “Make America Grate  Again” and someone just said "to hell with it, we've already ordered the t-shirts -- it's our policy now."
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #109 on: July 03, 2018, 19:49:02 »
. . .

BOTOM LINE: Trump is in the process of breaking America, simply because he hasn’t a clue about the effects of his actions.  His legacy will long outlive him.  America is decreasingly trusted as either a dependable business, military, or diplomatic partner.  The knock-on effect of his constant undermining the media harms democracy globally.  He is single-handedly going to be responsible for a recession, if not depression, and he doesn’t care – he’ll just claim bankruptcy protection again. 

. . .

Agree with you 100% with one little addendum. America was already broken when he was elected. As proof all I can offer is that 63 million Americans voted for this man.

The logical conclusion to that is that even if Trump crashes and burns (which I expect he will in time) there will still be tens of millions of Americans who aren't ready to go back to the status quo ante.

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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #110 on: July 03, 2018, 20:50:15 »
Given some of the policy proposals being floated by Democrats, I predict that Trump will be re-elected if:
1) He does nothing significantly worse than anything he has already done; and
2) He sticks to his list of potential USSC nominees.
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #111 on: July 03, 2018, 20:56:11 »
I agree with Brad, it's unlikely Trump will be defeated in the next election, considering the DNC is still whining about the last one and Hillary's death grip is still on it's throat. Trump is a flawed solution to the broken political situation in the US. Personally I don't think the 2 main parties can appeal to enough voters in the future to hold onto their power, both are facing growing factions that feel unrepresented. I also seeing more potentiel non main party Presidential candidates in the future, which may be a good thing. 

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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #112 on: July 03, 2018, 21:53:29 »
I'm not sure where third party individuals would go these days. You might remember the 1992 election when Ross Perot was on the ballot. At some points he polled 39% of the vote but through poor management of his campaign ended up getting 15% of the popular vote (nearly 20 million votes) but zero Electoral College votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_presidential_campaign,_1992#Results

Just spitballing here but I think any third party candidate won't be a winner but could become a real spoiler for one or the other of the mainstream parties.

Before we rule out the Dems, why don't we wait and see what the mid terms look like? I have a feeling that there's going to be some GOP ship-jumping going on.

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« Reply #113 on: July 03, 2018, 22:31:44 »
Speaking of third party candidates, I wonder how Ralp Nader feels now about suggesting and then endorsing Trump to run as a third party candidate ( which he essentially is, even with the GOP ticket).  :facepalm:
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« Reply #114 on: July 03, 2018, 22:49:38 »
Speaking of third party candidates, I wonder how Ralp Nader feels now about suggesting and then endorsing Trump to run as a third party candidate ( which he essentially is, even with the GOP ticket).  :facepalm:

This is the most recent I found. Not sure if the April 5, 2018 date is of the actual interview or just the post. In short he doesn't like Trump.  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh6gRenh7pg

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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #115 on: July 04, 2018, 10:02:20 »
If Trump wants a second term he will get it.The Democrats are increasingly tilting Left and the US is not a left leaning country.

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« Reply #116 on: July 04, 2018, 10:28:53 »
If Trump wants a second term he will get it.The Democrats are increasingly tilting Left and the US is not a left leaning country.
I find it hard to believe that a president with a 40 percent approval rating is a lock to win another term.

As long as the democrats don't pick a moron to lead them, I think they have a chance.
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #118 on: July 04, 2018, 11:14:06 »
There is a third party already: the socialist left wing of the Democrat Party. One ran for POTUS last election. One just became a Congresswoman elect.
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« Reply #119 on: July 04, 2018, 11:18:25 »
Actually its closer to 45% but 87% among Republicans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-lefts-contempt-is-going-to-reelect-trump/2018/07/03/8e91b240-7ede-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.419dcf13ffcd

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/results-matter-president-trump-tops-obama-in-approval-numbers-at-same-point-in-his-presidency/
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It slipped slightly to 41 percent last week
And while it is high among republicans,  that is to be expected.

Democracy is a team sport in america,  and those who decide the elections are the swing/independent voters,  although,  I admit,  with the highly polarizing political atmosphere that has been in place,  those voters probably are not as prominent or influencial.

That said,  I wouldn't be looking further than the midterms. That is going to be the setup for 2020, and how much of the presidents agenda is going to be effected by that.
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« Reply #120 on: July 04, 2018, 12:02:36 »
There is a third party already: the socialist left wing of the Democrat Party. One ran for POTUS last election. One just became a Congresswoman elect.
That's the problem. With two party systems that use the big tent theory.

You have to let a bunch of crazies under the tent.
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« Reply #121 on: July 04, 2018, 21:29:53 »
There are too many moving parts to do more than make barely educated guesses.  Might someone mount a primary challenge if Trump runs for a second term?  Will the Democratic candidate come from the establishment sub-faction, or the Bernie Sanders sub-faction?  About the only thing I'm sure of is that the USSC composition will be a greater factor than it already is.
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« Reply #122 on: July 05, 2018, 09:23:23 »
I find it hard to believe that a president with a 40 percent approval rating is a lock to win another term.

As long as the democrats don't pick a moron to lead them, I think they have a chance.

And as long as the faux outrage machine continues unabated, they stand a good chance of losing....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-lefts-contempt-is-going-to-reelect-trump/2018/07/03/8e91b240-7ede-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html?utm_term=.51a5b4daa4d8

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The left’s contempt is going to reelect Trump
 
by Marc A. Thiessen  July 4 at 7:01 AM 

Democrats have a new theory for how they can win back Congress and the White House. Just like “soccer moms” helped put Bill Clinton in the Oval Office in 1996, and “NASCAR dads” helped George W. Bush win in 2004, Donald Trump, the theory goes, was elected because of “#NeverHillary” voters who didn’t particularly like him but despised her. Axios reports that Democrats are targeting the “20% of Trump’s voters [who] told exit pollsters they didn’t like him,” hoping these reluctant Trump voters will help power a “blue wave” in the 2018 midterms and defeat President Trump in 2020.

One problem with that theory: The left’s nonstop, over-the-top attacks on President Trump are not peeling those voters away from him; they are pushing them further into the president’s camp.

In recent weeks, Trump derangement syndrome on the left has reached critical mass. First, there was Robert De Niro’s “F--- Trump” tirade at the Tony awards, followed by Samantha Bee’s calling Ivanka Trump a “feckless c---” on her TV show. Then the owners of the Red Hen restaurant threw out White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders because she works for the president, while chanting protesters heckled Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen at a Mexican restaurant. Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) added fuel to the fire by openly calling on mobs of left-wing activists to “absolutely harass” Trump officials. Then there were the countless Trump opponents in the media, Congress and on Twitter who compared family separations at the southern border to Nazi Germany, and the Time magazine cover depicting Trump staring down heartlessly at a crying migrant girl and implying she was separated from her mother (until it emerged that she had not in fact been separated from her mother). And now come the threats to block Trump’s Supreme Court nominee before he has even nominated one.

How do liberals think that 20 percent of reluctant Trump voters respond to these displays of unbridled contempt? They are outraged not at Trump but at his critics. The unhinged hatred for the president makes these voters almost reflexively defend him.

Don’t take my word for it. The New York Times recently interviewed dozens of tepid Trump voters who explained how the incessant attacks are causing them to rally around the president. “Gina Anders knows the feeling well by now,” the Times reports. “President Trump says or does something that triggers a spasm of outrage. She doesn’t necessarily agree with how he handled the situation. She gets why people are upset.” But Anders, who the Times says has “not a stitch of ‘Make America Great Again’ gear in her wardrobe, is moved to defend him anyway.” When she hears the “overblown” attacks on Trump, she says, “it makes me angry at them, which causes me to want to defend him to them more.” Another reluctant Trump voter, Tony Schrantz, agrees. “He’s not a perfect guy; he does some stupid stuff,” he tells the Times. “But when they’re hounding him all the time it just gets old.”

These are exactly the voters Democrats are hoping to win back. Instead, they are doing the opposite. Polls bear this out. Two weeks ago, Trump’s Gallup approval rating hit 45 percent — the highest it has been since his inauguration. (It slipped slightly to 41 percent last week). Trump’s approval among Republicans is at a near-record 87 percent, comparable to the levels of support for George W. Bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. Think about that: The left’s attacks on Trump have had the same rallying effect for GOP voters as the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

So, if appeals to civility, decency and conscience won’t work, then perhaps an appeal to base political pragmatism will. Democrats are deluding themselves if they think they lost because of #NeverHillary voters who will come home when she is not on the ballot. They lost because they have become a party of coastal liberal elites who have lost touch with millions of ordinary citizens in Middle America — working-class voters who are struggling with factories closing, jobs leaving and an opioid epidemic that is destroying their families. These voters concluded in 2016 that Democrats no longer care about their problems and that Trump does.

Spasms of anti-Trump outrage are not going to win them back. If anything, they are confirming these voters’ conclusions that Democrats still don’t get it — and don’t get them. The left’s miasma of contempt may feel cathartic, but it is the best thing that ever happened to Trump. Indeed, it may very well get him reelected.
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Re: The US Presidency 2018
« Reply #123 on: July 05, 2018, 09:35:06 »
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In recent weeks, Trump derangement syndrome on the left has reached critical mass. First, there was Robert De Niro’s “F--- Trump” tirade at the Tony awards, followed by Samantha Bee’s calling Ivanka Trump a “feckless c---” on her TV show. Then the owners of the Red Hen restaurant threw out White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders because she works for the president, while chanting protesters heckled Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen at a Mexican restaurant. Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) added fuel to the fire by openly calling on mobs of left-wing activists to “absolutely harass” Trump officials. Then there were the countless Trump opponents in the media, Congress and on Twitter who compared family separations at the southern border to Nazi Germany, and the Time magazine cover depicting Trump staring down heartlessly at a crying migrant girl and implying she was separated from her mother (until it emerged that she had not in fact been separated from her mother). And now come the threats to block Trump’s Supreme Court nominee before he has even nominated one.

These people are becoming more unhinged and psychotic and continue to make Trump look like a better choice than whomever they will rally around.

Easy to see how they're pushing even more people into Trump's camp.

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« Reply #124 on: July 05, 2018, 09:55:06 »
And as long as the faux outrage machine continues unabated, they stand a good chance of losing....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-lefts-contempt-is-going-to-reelect-trump/2018/07/03/8e91b240-7ede-11e8-b0ef-fffcabeff946_story.html?utm_term=.51a5b4daa4d8
It's ironic, because what was the right but a faux outrage machine during the Obama years?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.html
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The Washington Times called [http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/07/barack-takes-a-bow/] the alleged bow a "shocking display of fealty to a foreign potentate", which ran contrary to American tradition of not deferring to royalty.

"By bending over to show greater respect to Islam, the US president belittled the power and independence of the United States," the paper said in an editorial. "Such an act is a traditional obeisance befitting a king's subjects, not his peer."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2009-05-11/news/0905100191_1_dijon-mustard-horeb-mustard-museum-barry-levenson
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Right-wing talk show host Laura Ingraham weighed in: "What kind of man orders a cheeseburger without ketchup but Dijon mustard?" Sean Hannity of Fox News invoked the Grey Poupon commercial. "I hope you enjoyed that fancy burger, Mr. President," Hannity said.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-put-his-feet-on-oval-office-desk-and-people-are-outraged/

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President Obama put his foot on his desk in a White House photo, and although it admittedly does look a little cheesy, people are outraged over the leader of the free world placing his foot atop the Resolute Desk because it’s undignified and beneath the office of the president… although technically it’s in the office of the… the point is, people are not happy.

https://nypost.com/2011/09/13/o-gives-jobs-clip-service/

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WASHINGTON — President Obama’s plan to reverse the nation’s staggering jobless rate is held together with a paper clip!

“Here it is,” Obama said, waving a copy of his jobs plan during a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden yesterday, an enormous paper clip binding the pages together.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/president-obama-peter-king-tan-suit-rant

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Rep. Peter King (R-NY) went on an extended rant about President Barack Obama’s decision to wear a tan suit during a statement about the terrorist group ISIS he delivered on Thursday at the White House.


“There’s no way any of us can excuse what the president did yesterday,” King said on NewsMaxTV on Friday. The interview was flagged by Buzzfeed. “When you have the world watching … a week, two weeks of anticipation of what the United States is gonna do. For him to walk out —I’m not trying to be trivial here— in a light suit, light tan suit, saying that first he wants to talk about what most Americans care about the revision of second quarter numbers on the economy. This is a week after Jim Foley was beheaded and he’s trying to act like real Americans care about the economy, not about ISIS and not about terrorism. And then he goes on to say he has no strategy.”

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/26/obamas-fancy-new-mansion-is-located-1000-feet-from-the-islamic-center-of-washington-dc/

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The mammoth, multi-million-dollar mansion where President Barack Obama and his family will reportedly live after the first family exits the White House is located 1,096 feet from the Islamic Center of Washington — one of the largest mosques in the Western Hemisphere.

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/op-ed/article1972955.html

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney, writing in the Wall Street Journal with his daughter Liz, complained: “Terrorists take control of more territory and resources than ever before in history, and he goes golfing.” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers gave a TV interview asking Obama to “please come back from the golf course” and find an Iraq solution.

Yet republicans won all three levels of government, interesting.

Someday I'll care about milpoints.