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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2018, 21:39:10 »
That's a far cry from saying that he "admits much in his book was made up." What it says is that the White House is filled with serial liars and that he had to navigate his way through those in order to come up with the truth and that the fact that so many of the staff habitually lies is in itself part of the story.

Or people willing to cash in on the "anything bad about Trump sells" meme thats going on. I could start a blog with plausible confirmation biases based on "unnamed official sources inside the Trump White House" and have thousands of hits and ad revenue from those hits overnight. Completely made up but people want to read stuff that proves their bias right.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2018, 21:52:54 »
Actually that is a misstatement of what he said. What Wolff said was:

That's a far cry from saying that he "admits much in his book was made up." What it says is that the White House is filled with serial liars and that he had to navigate his way through those in order to come up with the truth and that the fact that so many of the staff habitually lies is in itself part of the story.

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Politicians and/or the folks working for them can be serial liars?  Surely you jest.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2018, 21:57:16 »
It is a bit like discovering gambling in Casablanca...

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2018, 22:17:10 »
Or people willing to cash in on the "anything bad about Trump sells" meme thats going on.

Or anything bad about Obama or Hillary. Or anyone else unfortunate enough to make it onto his enemies list.

Completely made up but people want to read stuff that proves their bias right.

 :nod:

Anyway, he's tweeting about his "Fake News awards" next week.

"We should have a contest as to which of the Networks, plus CNN and not including Fox, is the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me). They are all bad. Winner to receive the FAKE NEWS TROPHY!"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/935147410472480769

ie: ALL news is fake. ( All except Fox, and his twitter feed, of course. )

Wonder if the Fake News awards will include a book burning?  :)

From what PPCLI Guy posted in Reply #40, it does not sound like the base has much to worry about,

"It is even less likely, at least at this stage, that Trump’s executive appointees, led by Pence, will depose him. The 25th amendment is only half a century old, and has never been invoked against the wishes of the incumbent president. Does anyone seriously believe that Trump, declared psychiatrically or neurologically incapacitated by his own cabinet, would shuffle meekly from office? Such a threat would trigger all his most brutal attributes: his belief that the establishment is against him and his proven ability to mobilise great swathes of the American electorate in a common hatred of Washington. Now, that really would be fire and fury."
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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2018, 22:41:04 »
Wikileaks has uploaded the entire book if anyone is interested.

I will use my physic medium powers and predict this week there will be articles across the net stating that Wikileaks making this book available for free confirms they are in cahoots with Trump. It will be stated  that this is clear evidence that Wikileaks worked with Trump during the campaign and continues to carry their water. Further, I see articles saying that Mueller will investigate this. I have a strong physic vibe that the majority of these articles will appear in Newsweek.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2018, 22:52:50 »
Or people willing to cash in on the "anything bad about Trump sells" meme thats going on. I could start a blog with plausible confirmation biases based on "unnamed official sources inside the Trump White House" and have thousands of hits and ad revenue from those hits overnight. Completely made up but people want to read stuff that proves their bias right.

I'm not defending Wolff's book one way or the other. I was just correcting a misstatement about what he allegedly said.

Some of us do care about accuracy. It's enough that the politicians are fast and loose with the truth.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2018, 09:58:18 »
Or people willing to cash in on the "anything bad about Trump sells" meme thats going on. I could start a blog with plausible confirmation biases based on "unnamed official sources inside the Trump White House" and have thousands of hits and ad revenue from those hits overnight. Completely made up but people want to read stuff that proves their bias right.

Like a joke Tweet about Gorilla channel.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/and-finally/the-bizarre-story-of-donald-trump-a-gorilla-tv-channel-and-a-parody-tweet-gone-wrong-36463564.html
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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2018, 11:59:17 »
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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2018, 14:37:44 »
Michael Moore says he’s going to frack off coast near Mar-a-Lago

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Liberal documentary filmmaker Michael Moore threatened to begin fracking off the Florida coast near President Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.

His tweet appeared to be a response to a new administration proposal to increase offshore drilling for natural gas.

"Our fracking off the coast of Mar-a-Lago begins right after Labor Day," Moore said in a tweet referencing his upcoming TNT documentary series "Live From the Apocalypse." "I’ve already got the rig — a beautiful Halliburton G-0008 fracking system with a monster Caterpillar engine!"

Moore, a relentless Trump critic and liberal activist, targeted the president's luxury Palm Beach resort, a favorite vacation spot for the president. Florida is on a list of states that could see new drilling off their coastlines under a new proposal by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke.

The plan would open up drilling rights sales for companies on much of North America's continental shelf in coastal areas near Alaska, California and Florida, which would be a boon to the fossil fuel industry.

Moore's tweets also come after the Trump administration rolled back offshore drilling safety regulations that were created after the Deepwater Horizon spill in 2010 killed 11 people and sent at least 4.9 million barrels of oil spilling into the Gulf of Mexico.

Environmentalists have warned that the expansion and deregulation of offshore drilling could be dangerous.

Trump has promised to unlock the nation's "great energy wealth" by promoting domestic oil and gas drilling to remain independent of foreign energy.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/367780-michael-moore-says-hes-going-to-frack-off-coast-near-mar-a-lago

I'm not a massive fan of Michael Moore, but I chuckled at this possibility.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2018, 15:13:48 »
Even more fun when the EPA charges Moores crew with the various infractions they will commit, because he will hire a bunch of non-drillers to run it.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #60 on: January 09, 2018, 21:31:43 »
I will use my physic medium powers and predict this week there will be articles across the net stating that Wikileaks making this book available for free confirms they are in cahoots with Trump. It will be stated  that this is clear evidence that Wikileaks worked with Trump during the campaign and continues to carry their water. Further, I see articles saying that Mueller will investigate this. I have a strong physic vibe that the majority of these articles will appear in Newsweek.
I don't think any articles questioning the motivation of Wikileaks along those lines would be unfounded.  If Trump had been able to get a court order to block publication of the book, then sure, that would fall sort of in line with what Wikileaks self stated purpose is, but to publish something that already is available to anyone who wants to pay the money, borrow it off a friend or just read the out takes available all over the internet, what's the actual motivation behind the act?  Particularly since I haven't seen them do that to any other publicly available book, document, publication, report, transcript etc etc etc

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2018, 21:38:04 »
Interesting transcript posted by Senator Feinstein:  SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE  - INTERVIEW OF:  GLENN SIMPSON

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This is the transcribed interview of Glenn Simpson.  Chairman Grassley and Ranking Member Feinstein requested this interview as part of the Senate Judiciary Committee's investigation of Fusion GPS's activities related to the dossier compiled by Christopher Steele, the Prevezon case, and the Magnitsky Act.

It's long, 312 pages and although I'm only partway through it, but well worth the read.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2018, 21:54:42 »
Even more fun when the EPA charges Moores crew with the various infractions they will commit, because he will hire a bunch of non-drillers to run it.

Everything's okay now. In a lucid moment, Trump remembered that Florida's Republican and contains his resort:

In swift reversal, Trump admin says no new oil drilling off Florida coast

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/09/politics/florida-offshore-drilling/index.html

 Betcha they won't do that for California's beaches (which already have rigs out there). ;D

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2018, 23:17:19 »
Betcha they won't do that for California's beaches (which already have rigs out there). ;D

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Meh, you don't even have to go to the beach in LA.......

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/08/the-urban-oil-fields-of-los-angeles/100799/

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2018, 23:38:52 »

Meh, you don't even have to go to the beach in LA.......

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/08/the-urban-oil-fields-of-los-angeles/100799/

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2018, 16:56:18 »
Link to the Minority Staff Report of the US Senate on Putin's Asymmetric Assault on Democracy in Russia and Europe: Implications for US National Security

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FinalRR.pdf

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2018, 17:13:37 »
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25744/bombshell-report-twitter-admits-censoring-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Stories surfacing about Twitter targeting right-wing user accounts and content while ignoring left-wing.  YouTube likewise seems to be coming more and more biased.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2018, 18:42:40 »
https://www.dailywire.com/news/25744/bombshell-report-twitter-admits-censoring-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Stories surfacing about Twitter targeting right-wing user accounts and content while ignoring left-wing.  YouTube likewise seems to be coming more and more biased.

A grain of salt may be required - especially given Project Veritas' last big splash.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2018, 19:20:37 »
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,127116.msg1515878.html#new

In an attempt to keep politic's in their respective countries I am responding here.....

448 billion over 10 years.  Didn't Obama do that in less than 1 year?  Just asking.

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FY 2009 - Even though the budget had been approved, Congress added emergency funding to stop the Great Recession. It added the first year's worth of spending from Obama's Economic Stimulus Act to the FY 2009 budget. That $253 billion accrues to Obama.
FY 2010 - Obama's first budget created a $1.294 trillion deficit.
FY 2011 - This budget contributed $1.3 trillion to the debt.
FY 2012 - The deficit was $1.087 trillion.
FY 2013 - This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $679 billion, was less than $1 trillion. Thank sequestration, which forced a 10 percent cut in spending.
FY 2014 - The deficit was $485 billion.
FY 2015 - The deficit fell further, to $438 billion.
FY 2016 - The deficit rose to $585 billion
FY 2017 - The deficit is projected to be $666 billion.

Interesting article from which I quoted the above figures....
https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293


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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2018, 19:31:08 »
Fair enough that could be the case but that video with first it's hand accounts right from employees didn't strike me as edited a specific way. Could be wrong of course.   Do you think social media giants like facebook, twitter and  youtube are biased to the left-wing side of things?
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« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2018, 20:17:17 »
Fair enough that could be the case but that video with first it's hand accounts right from employees didn't strike me as edited a specific way. Could be wrong of course.   Do you think social media giants like facebook, twitter and  youtube are biased to the left-wing side of things?

Well, they all have one thing in common.  HQ'd in Silicon Valley in California, and staffed by young educated millennials...in other words, not a hotbed of Republicanism, or even conservatism. So yes, I imagine they exist on the Left side of the spectrum, as well as the Left Coast.

Moreover, they are all also businesses, and not public utilities, nor are they bound in any way by things like journalistic principals.  They can do whatever they would like, within the bounds of fiduciary responsibilities to their shareholders.

They have complete control over the content that is displayed on their platforms, and those platforms are moderated, much like this one is.

The big "gotcha" in that piece is the interview with Mo Norai.  Here is his job description for his position when he worked at Twitter for all of 5 months (taken directly from his Linkedin page):

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mo-norai-9930bb74/

User Services- Content Review Agent
Company NameTwitter
Dates EmployedNov 2015 – Mar 2016  Employment Duration5 mos
LocationSan Francisco Bay Area
Use in-house tools to perform daily review of reported abusive content on Twitter
Quickly learn our policies and enforcement actions
Escalate high-priority issues in a timely manner
Recommend tool improvements and efficiency gains
Prioritize daily tasks and meet productivity expectations
Communicate issues clearly to management
Adhere to process quality metrics and strive to exceed the monthly/annual quality & productivity targets.
Follow all compliance and security measures relating to client data.
Moderate online content submitted by users
Maintain data work requirements by following data program techniques, procedures as well as meeting and maintaining the required quality threshold.
Participate as active an contributor and apply creative problem solving skills in project brainstorms

Note that he is, essentially, a moderator, as he was at Apple before Twitter, and is at Facebook now.

All of that to say that although Twitter staff (and indeed the ownership) may "lean left" and staff likely do moderate posts that they do not agree with, there is nothing illegal or sinister about it.  It is  byproduct of the platform and the type of people who run it....
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« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2018, 10:44:01 »
According to Trump US delivers first F-52 fighter jets.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/trump-f-52-fighter-jet-gaffe/index.html

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2018, 11:28:58 »
So he misnamed the aircraft. CNN spends 93% of it's airtime slamming the President so they look for every error. Was the error really worthy on a new report by CNN? Better than our PM who states the F-35 "far from working", yet everyone else, except Canada, seems to be purchasing an aircraft that doesn't work.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2018
« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2018, 11:47:32 »
CNN's Don Lemon going off on the whole "******* countries" bit.  Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, etc do the same but his is something else.  It's as if CNN decided not to bother to play nice anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LagxU1Oq0Vw&t=1s

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