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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #125 on: May 05, 2017, 17:49:27 »
One interesting development I read about was one of the companies working on a patch for a time release.  I think the major benefit of the number of states where it is now legal is the investments where they can finally do the research required to figure out what effects are of the various compounds found in the different strain and what can benefit who.


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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #126 on: May 05, 2017, 19:46:35 »
I have dealt with more motor vehicle collisions causing injury where a person admitted to or was found to have used marijuana within a hour prior to the collision than I have cellphones or alcohol.

Washington​ State is also having the same problem. For them, it's well exceeded their rate of collisions causing injury over drunk driving.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #127 on: May 05, 2017, 20:56:21 »
I have dealt with more motor vehicle collisions causing injury where a person admitted to or was found to have used marijuana within a hour prior to the collision than I have cellphones or alcohol.

Washington​ State is also having the same problem. For them, it's well exceeded their rate of collisions causing injury over drunk driving.

Genuinely surprised by that. I've read elsewhere that places that legalized pot saw an increase in traffic accidents but difficult to believe it's a bigger ratio than alcohol or especially cell phones. I wonder if being legalized in the CAF will likewise lead to more accidents (despite the bottle to throttle rule).
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #128 on: May 06, 2017, 00:35:06 »
I have dealt with more motor vehicle collisions causing injury where a person admitted to or was found to have used marijuana within a hour prior to the collision than I have cellphones or alcohol.

Washington​ State is also having the same problem. For them, it's well exceeded their rate of collisions causing injury over drunk driving.

Not discounting your personal experience, but I'd like to see some certified statistics on that before making any further discussion about impairment, method of ingestion, type of cannabis and active ingredients. Your statement is just too general and personal to really have a point.

I am not advocating driving, impaired by anything, just that if we're going to discuss it properly we need more than personal anecdotes. They're welcome, they just don't make a good start point :salute: Cheers.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #129 on: May 06, 2017, 00:45:02 »
The statistics from Washington state are discussed here: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/10/marijuana-related-fatal-car-accidents-surge-washin/

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Roughly 10 percent of Washington state drivers involved in fatal car crashes between 2010 and 2014 tested positive for recent marijuana use, with the percentage of drivers who had used pot within hours of a crash doubling between 2013 and 2014, according to a new study by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #130 on: May 06, 2017, 02:08:03 »
Not discounting your personal experience, but I'd like to see some certified statistics on that before making any further discussion about impairment, method of ingestion, type of cannabis and active ingredients. Your statement is just too general and personal to really have a point.

I am not advocating driving, impaired by anything, just that if we're going to discuss it properly we need more than personal anecdotes. They're welcome, they just don't make a good start point :salute: Cheers.

Here's scholarly article about it

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2005.01100.x/full

https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/34/1/65/494023/Marijuana-Use-and-Motor-Vehicle-Crashes

About roadside testing
http://globalnews.ca/news/3308435/simple-tests-can-identify-pot-impaired-drivers/

Fatalities double after legalization (Washington State)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160510103131.htm

Fatalities increase after legalization (Colorado)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/us-states-with-legal-pot-sales-see-rise-in-fatal-accidents-by-high-drivers/article26947558/
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #131 on: May 06, 2017, 08:31:39 »
So we are finally getting some research for veterans with PTSD. We already know there is benefits but this is hard data to back up what vets already know.


Military, Veterans Affairs to test effects of medical marijuana on PTSD in clinical trial
Clinical trial will look at 'efficacy and safety' of marijuana in treating PTSD



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/military-veterans-affairs-marijuana-clinical-trial-1.4101355
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #132 on: May 06, 2017, 15:31:12 »
Tanks! for the links everyone. I don't have time at the moment , but I'll get to them soon.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #133 on: May 07, 2017, 09:16:28 »
So we are finally getting some research for veterans with PTSD. We already know there is benefits but this is hard data to back up what vets already know.


Military, Veterans Affairs to test effects of medical marijuana on PTSD in clinical trial
Clinical trial will look at 'efficacy and safety' of marijuana in treating PTSD



http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/military-veterans-affairs-marijuana-clinical-trial-1.4101355

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #134 on: May 07, 2017, 09:17:28 »
I wouldn't say "finally getting"... there's this:

Seem's like a valid study to me...
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #135 on: May 07, 2017, 10:07:11 »
I wouldn't say "finally getting"... there's this:

I'm sure there's other studies out there as well, this one is by the government. Perhaps the government didn't like the validly of the medileafs study? I thought veterans would like the fact that the government is looking into this closer, perhaps it might lead to more access and a higher limit?
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #136 on: May 07, 2017, 16:14:48 »
I'm sure there's other studies out there as well, this one is by the government. Perhaps the government didn't like the validly of the medileafs study? I thought veterans would like the fact that the government is looking into this closer, perhaps it might lead to more access and a higher limit?

I'm all for studies, research and the like. But if you're going to do a study, do it right. Determine the correct variables, establish the correct baseline and impartiality must be present. Most of us just want the opportunity to prove once and for all that we are not "pot heads" and "dealers" and "scammers looking for free dope". It's sad, really, when you have a group of people who are truly suffering and they are made fun of, called liars and shunned. All because of a stigma. Sorry... off topic.

Yea, so I'm all for these studies if they are done right but I think what people are afraid of is that the government (more closer, VAC) will cease coverage or suspend it while certain "studies" are going on.

And you say "Perhaps the government didn't like the validly of the medileafs study?" ... so there's another point. Who's study is acceptable and who determines that? I don't think veterans want more coverage or less coverage - we just want what we need whether it's 2 g a day or 13 g a day. We are all different.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #137 on: May 07, 2017, 16:38:27 »
I'm all for studies, research and the like. But if you're going to do a study, do it right. Determine the correct variables, establish the correct baseline and impartiality must be present. Most of us just want the opportunity to prove once and for all that we are not "pot heads" and "dealers" and "scammers looking for free dope". It's sad, really, when you have a group of people who are truly suffering and they are made fun of, called liars and shunned. All because of a stigma. Sorry... off topic.

Yea, so I'm all for these studies if they are done right but I think what people are afraid of is that the government (more closer, VAC) will cease coverage or suspend it while certain "studies" are going on.

And you say "Perhaps the government didn't like the validly of the medileafs study?" ... so there's another point. Who's study is acceptable and who determines that? I don't think veterans want more coverage or less coverage - we just want what we need whether it's 2 g a day or 13 g a day. We are all different.

I guess the obvious is that medileaf has a vested interest in MM, i'm not saying that's the reason but it may be part of it. I would like to think the government will be impartial in any research it commissions. I have a question for you do you think the access or amount of MM will change when it becomes legal and becomes as regulated as alcohol?
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #138 on: May 07, 2017, 16:44:14 »
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #139 on: May 07, 2017, 17:19:34 »
I guess the obvious is that medileaf has a vested interest in MM, i'm not saying that's the reason but it may be part of it. I would like to think the government will be impartial in any research it commissions. I have a question for you do you think the access or amount of MM will change when it becomes legal and becomes as regulated as alcohol?

We'll have to wait and see what the individual Provinces enact first. Wynne wanted to see it in the LCBO. The Feds legislation says it CAN"T be sold where alcohol is.

There's too much flux right now to even determine how much recreational bud you can buy. Access and amount will be determined later. Then we can have that discussion, unless I missed your question.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #140 on: May 07, 2017, 17:41:25 »
I guess the obvious is that medileaf has a vested interest in MM, i'm not saying that's the reason but it may be part of it. I would like to think the government will be impartial in any research it commissions. I have a question for you do you think the access or amount of MM will change when it becomes legal and becomes as regulated as alcohol?

I totally agree with you on the MedReleaf study - while I feel it's a good representation, it's transparency is limited only to MedReleaf's data. It obviously doesn't show impartiality... they fill my prescriptions! Yes, comparison studies by VAC, Health Canada and any other invested party. Freedom of choice, right?

As far as changes are concerned with the legalization of recreational marijuana and it's effect on us? I agree with Reece mostly, but I think you'll see more insurance carriers add MMJ to their coverage. You'll probably see dispensaries pop up everywhere like McDonalds too. I would like to think that "limits" will be done away with and each prescription, wether it be for viagra, MMJ or aspirin are treated by VAC case by case.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #141 on: May 07, 2017, 17:44:48 »
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #142 on: May 07, 2017, 18:28:18 »
I totally agree with you on the MedReleaf study - while I feel it's a good representation, it's transparency is limited only to MedReleaf's data. It obviously doesn't show impartiality... they fill my prescriptions! Yes, comparison studies by VAC, Health Canada and any other invested party. Freedom of choice, right?

As far as changes are concerned with the legalization of recreational marijuana and it's effect on us? I agree with Reece mostly, but I think you'll see more insurance carriers add MMJ to their coverage. You'll probably see dispensaries pop up everywhere like McDonalds too. I would like to think that "limits" will be done away with and each prescription, wether it be for viagra, MMJ or aspirin are treated by VAC case by case.

As long as it gets the medicine to those who need it.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #143 on: May 07, 2017, 20:11:15 »
The Feds legislation says it CAN"T be sold where alcohol is.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #144 on: May 07, 2017, 20:20:59 »
How stupid is that?

When laws are made to pander to votes or lobby groups, they are usually made devoid of any rational thought or reasoning. Look at our gun laws.

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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #145 on: May 08, 2017, 11:03:37 »
So, just a thought about the pending legalization of recreational use marijuana... if Health Canada will eventually assign it a DIN, can it (should it) still be used recreationally? Is there such a thing as recreational codeine or morphine use? Recreational Cialis??
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #146 on: May 08, 2017, 11:12:08 »
I think there are many people who use Cialis or Viagra recreationally, like on vacation and such.
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Re: Legal Cannabis Use in the CAF
« Reply #147 on: May 08, 2017, 11:33:41 »
As opposed to using Cialis or Viagra professionally?   ;D