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The Pentagon just ordered 7 Lot 40 Growlers plus 5 Super Hornets for $678.7 m. Lockheed needs to resolve its F-35 issues fast. Both the USN and Marines need more Hornets if they cant get their F-35's. Meanwhile the taxpayer wins.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/12/lockheed-beware-boeing-gives-navy-a-cut-price-deal.aspx?yptr=yahoo

According to the military hardware experts at BGA-Aeroweb, the average flyaway cost on a Boeing (NYSE:BA) F/A-18-E/F Super Hornet fighter jet is $60.9 million. Upgrade that warbird to an electronic warfare specialist like Boeing's EA-18G Growler, and you can expect to pay much more -- $80.4 million per copy.

But has Boeing got a deal for you! And by "you," I mean the U.S. taxpayer.

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Re: Boeing Just Dropped The Price of Super Hornets and Growlers
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2017, 18:41:50 »
And people don't think that Trump guy knows how to deal with people and companies...... ;D
Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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Re: Boeing Just Dropped The Price of Super Hornets and Growlers
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2017, 19:15:58 »
Real cost for Super Hornets (not sure what is included all in)--USN wants 24 more (DoD doc at link):

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2017 Supplemental Funding Request Invests In Aircraft Procurement; May Be Too Late For Some Maintenance Needs

...the Navy’s portion of the supplemental spending bill devotes $5.8 billion to support mid- to long-term readiness through acquisition of 24 F/A18-E/F Super Hornets, six more P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft, two more MV-22 Ospreys, and other planes and munitions...
https://news.usni.org/2017/03/16/24661

Note p. 9: Super Hornet cost about US$ 100M each--24 for dollars 2,320M (some bargain); five extra USAF F-35As for dollars 596M. 

tomahawk6: I suspect the numbers in your post are without engines and perhaps some other things.  Contract is with Boeing only.

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Re: Boeing Just Dropped The Price of Super Hornets and Growlers
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2017, 19:57:15 »
Real cost for Super Hornets (not sure what is included all in)--USN wants 24 more (DoD doc at link):

Note p. 9: Super Hornet cost about US$ 100M each--24 for dollars 2,320M (some bargain); five extra USAF F-35As for dollars 596M. 

tomahawk6: I suspect the numbers in your post are without engines and perhaps some other things.  Contract is with Boeing only.

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Dont over think this,there is a new sheriff in town and he has been telling Boeing,Lockheed ect. to reduce their aircraft sale price.This included the F-18,F-35 and the new Air Force 1.If his budget is passed there will be an extra $34b to buy more ships,planes and other hardware.Take a cut here and make up for it with new contracts.

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Re: Boeing Just Dropped The Price of Super Hornets and Growlers
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2017, 21:47:28 »
Real cost for Super Hornets (not sure what is included all in)

Then that's not necessarily the real cost, is it?

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Re: Boeing Just Dropped The Price of Super Hornets and Growlers
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2017, 22:02:18 »
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Then that's not necessarily the real cost, is it?

It's what DoD in the Trump administration says to buy 24 Super Hornets.  A "real cost" without necessary ancillaries could be lower but less effective as a war plane.  In any event it gives, seems to me, a ball-park figure for a useful aircraft.  In US dollars.

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Re: Boeing Just Dropped The Price of Super Hornets and Growlers
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2017, 22:11:50 »
jmt18325:
It's what DoD in the Trump administration says to buy 24 Super Hornets.  A "real cost" without necessary ancillaries could be lower but less effective as a war plane.  In any event it gives, seems to me, a ball-park figure for a useful aircraft.  In US dollars.

Possibly - on the other hand, there are many other figures.  Unless we know what is included in each, we don't really know much.

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Re: Boeing Just Dropped The Price of Super Hornets and Growlers
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2017, 10:16:40 »
More than 80 new Super Hornets (Block III--RCAF too?) for USN?

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Navy’s Planned 80 Super Hornet Buy Could Grow After New Pentagon Strategy Review

The total of 80 Super Hornets the Navy is set to buy over the next five years could grow based on the findings of the Pentagon’s ongoing and overarching national defense strategy review, acting Secretary of the Navy Sean Stackley and Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson told USNI News on Thursday [June 15] following a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

Earlier this week, naval aviation leaders confirmed that the service was set to buy 80 of the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets as part of a five-year $7.1 billion outlay.

This time last year the Department of the Navy was set to zero out the F/A-18E/F line as the Lockheed Martin F-35C Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter was coming online and the service pursues the Next Generation Air Dominance replacement for the Super Hornets.

However, a combination of the intense operational use of current aircraft and unpleasant discoveries during the Navy’s service life extension program (SLEP) for the F/A-18 A-D Hornet program pushed the new buy, Stackley said.

“What we discovered was that they’re in worse shape than we had planned and estimated so we’re turning them faster was more of a challenge than we forecasted. We were discovering a lot more weren’t going to make it to the fleet. Some of these were just going to be attrited,” he said.

“So when we look ahead to the Super Hornet, we’re packing that planning up front and better so that we’re better positioned for the throughput but when you do the math in terms of how many Super Hornets will be out of reporting in the depots then we have to have some mitigator in terms of additional aircraft to meet our fleet replacement… If you do that math and all of the modeling assumptions and you add from what you learned off of the legacy F-18 SLEP program, we concluded that we needed about 80 additional aircraft to insure that we get through this period of time in better shape than what we’re experiencing now with the legacies.”..

The modernization effort, dubbed Block III, is set to be funded starting in FY 2018 [starts Oct. 1 2017] as part of a $264.9 million over the next five years to improve the characteristics of the Super Hornet.

While Boeing has offered a variety of options for the Block III effort, USNI News understands the bulk of the money will be used to fund additional conformal fuel tanks. The tanks fit along the fuselage and can extend the range of a Super Hornet by 120 nautical miles [emphasis added], Boeing officials told USNI News in May.

That total of 80 Super Hornet fighters could grow yet again following the Secretary of Defense James Mattis led review of the national defense strategy that will inform the Fiscal Year 2019 budget and set the agenda for a Trump Administration Pentagon...
https://news.usni.org/2017/06/15/navys-planned-80-super-hornet-order-grow-strategy-review-washington-d-c-total-80-super-hornets-navy-set-buy-next-five-years-grow-based

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Re: Boeing Just Dropped The Price of Super Hornets and Growlers
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2017, 16:07:29 »
More details on Block III Super Hornet upgrades:

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The Navy plans to buy this new Super Hornet with a deadlier sting
http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-navy-plans-to-buy-this-new-super-hornet-with-a-deadlier-sting

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