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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2016, 18:26:57 »

[critical thought]

Like this forum did for PMJT?  (serious question)

[/critical thought]

But here it is a year later and nothings really been done, it's back to business as usual from the classic Liberal playbook.  All the Sunny Ways BS has been just that, BS (in my personal view, which I accept won't be universally held).  So, was PMJT fairly ridiculed or unjustinly pilloried?  (serious question too)
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2016, 18:36:53 »
J Christian Adams puts some perspective behind the "why"? of the election. Judging from news shows *they* still don't get it:

https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/11/09/trump-destroys-elite-assumptions-autopsy-of-the-gop-autopsy/?singlepage=true

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Trump Destroys Elites' Assumptions: Autopsy of the 2012 'GOP Autopsy'
 BY J. CHRISTIAN ADAMS NOVEMBER 9, 2016 CHAT 132 COMMENTS

We learned last night that the punditry's "GOP autopsy" after the 2012 Mitt Romney loss was dead wrong.

Also called the "Growth and Opportunity Project," the autopsy scolded the party, insisting that new immigration policies and racial pandering were necessary to win future elections. Naturally, such policies would have been a growth and opportunity project for the consultants who would be paid to create them.

Had Jeb Bush been on the ballot yesterday, and had he followed the autopsy recommendations, Hillary Clinton would be president.

Any candidate following the autopsy's recommendations of pandering to racial identity politics would have lost precisely in the states that gave Trump his win: Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

The autopsy suggested that Republicans adopt immigration policies such as amnesty and amnesty-lite to appease Hispanic voters. It suggested other ventures into racial identity politics, expressly claiming that Republicans could never win again if they didn't sound a lot more like Democrats.

Instead, Trump marched along a path to the White House Republicans can implement for another generation: fight for existential cultural issues that appeal in working-class areas like Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania, and Macomb County, Michigan. There weren't Latino votes to be had in the counties that gave Trump the White House. Racial identity politics aren't necessary for Republicans to win anything. But appeal to blue-collar voters in rural counties who feel alienated by damage the institutional Left unleashed on the America they grew up in, and you win the White House.

Trump's winning path rejected the Black Lives Matter movement. It did not treat it as credible.

The GOP autopsy report recommended exactly the opposite.

Naturally, it had been written largely through rose-colored Jeb! glasses. Sally Bradshaw, one of the five authors of the autopsy, was so offended by Trump's approach that she promised to vote for Hillary Clinton. She probably assumed she'd be voting for the winner -- she assumed her autopsy was right.

Thankfully, we learned last night the autopsy was wrong, dead wrong. That cannot be repeated enough today.

We also learned other things last night.

We learned that the reactionary and rabid "Never Trump" movement might have been morally defensible in some hearts, but was an enormous strategic blunder.

Nobody looks sillier this morning than the turncoats who claimed to care about the federal judiciary and about reversing the damage and lawlessness the Left has caused, yet refused to vote for Trump. Except maybe Sally Bradshaw.

The other winner last night was conservative New Media.

Never again should anyone in the Republican party take the New York Times seriously.

Trump gave them the finger -- and won. Compare this with four years ago, when Mitt Romney wouldn't even appear on conservative talk radio.

Victory comes with an energized and polarized base, not by appealing to the legacy dead-tree media.

Steve Bannon: How delicious it was to see him on stage last night, needing a shave. I can remember the preposterous wailing about Bannon being appointed to the Trump campaign over the summer. In nearly every corner it was portrayed as a catastrophe. I knew it was masterful.  Lots of Trump staff contributed to this win, but Bannon brought an understanding of the new media environment, the modern media cycle, and the power of a slicing story to a messaging campaign. Bannon and others in the New Media have vowed to replace the importance of outlets like the New York Times.

As Andrew Brietbart told me, he sought to destroy them. Last night was a giant leap toward their irrelevance, especially in Republican politics.

The elites look especially foolish this morning. I mean that out-of-touch crowd on the coasts, highly educated and highly annoying. Yesterday, reading Ron Radosh's piece "Whither the Republican Party After the Election" was grating. Today it is hilarious, like reading a Popular Mechanics article from 1953 talking about the coming flying cars and ovens that will make food from sawdust: "Hence, if Clinton’s victory is by a relatively small margin, I would not be surprised if the Trump campaign refuses to acknowledge the results."

Oh yes, that prediction almost came true -- but in reverse:

Will Trump be able to be magnanimous in accepting the election’s results and his defeat, like Richard Nixon did when JFK won, and Al Gore did after George W. Bush won the recount? After all, the worst epithet in Trump’s book is that someone is a loser. Thus, it may be very hard for Trump to accept that he actually is one. To avoid it, he will most likely double down on the narrative that he had actually won, but the election was stolen from him.

Ron, call your office -- Rachel Maddow has snatched your body.

The elites don't understand that voters vote based largely on emotions -- and there is nothing wrong with that.

Do they like the candidate? Do they feel the candidate fights for their values? Are they alienated by the direction of the country? In all three instances, voters in places like Saginaw, Altoona, and Oshkosh said yes to all three questions.

Meanwhile, elites in Manhattan and Palo Alto were screaming "no."

Finally, Trump might have also won the popular vote but for two things -- voter fraud and rational voting. A good lawyer friend in California voted for Gary Johnson because his vote didn't matter. Had he been in Virginia, he would have voted for Trump.

Trump also lost the noncitizen vote by a wide margin -- and yes, it exists.

The incoming Trump Justice Department must prioritize voter fraud prosecutions of the crimes that occurred yesterday and in early voting. It will shut up a lot of voter fraud deniers, and ensure that the behavior is deterred in his reelection.
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2016, 18:45:48 »
But here it is a year later and nothings really been done, it's back to business as usual from the classic Liberal playbook.  All the Sunny Ways BS has been just that, BS (in my personal view, which I accept won't be universally held).  So, was PMJT fairly ridiculed or unjustinly pilloried?  (serious question too)

The question wasn't about the results as perceived or delivered, but about the question as to how long does one have before being called upon to deliver upon promises.  A 365-day long 'no questions' period?

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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2016, 18:49:42 »
The question wasn't about the results as perceived or delivered, but about the question as to how long does one have before being called upon to deliver upon promises.  A 365-day long 'no questions' period?

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Fair enough.  AFAIK, no.  You promise to get crap done, then get crap done.  Period.  All the present crowd has managed to do so far is to launch a flawed pay system conceived by the previous administration and miss every self imposed deadline to get it right since then.
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2016, 20:32:26 »

[critical thought]

Like this forum did for PMJT?  (serious question)

[/critical thought]

"Word Association (just for fun)" has been going for seven years but it hasn't been shut down (yet).  ;)

1. No idea. I don't think I've been in those threads much lately, but I concede the point you're trying to make.

2. Quite a different subject for one and the fact that it's hard to argue about a single word being used in the world's largest run on sentence. ;)
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2016, 22:03:27 »
Oh good, now I can just come here to stay informed about the 2020 election :)

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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2016, 22:21:39 »
Maybe the candidates need to fight it out UFC style.
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2016, 21:56:13 »
Damn you MM. Damn you to hell.
It's hard to win an argument against a smart person, it's damned near impossible against a stupid person.

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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2016, 22:01:20 »
Maybe the candidates need to fight it out UFC style.

Better still, make it a Jeopardy Tournament of Presidential Candidates. Lasts 2 weeks, 1/2 hour each day weekend off in between.

I'll have Political Scandals for $2000 Alex.

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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2016, 22:56:43 »
Better still, make it a Jeopardy Tournament of Presidential Candidates. Lasts 2 weeks, 1/2 hour each day weekend off in between.

I'll have Political Scandals for $2000 Alex.

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This seems to be going down the road to Idiocracy.

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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2016, 23:07:33 »
I think that we should all sit back and relax, chillin' out to Bob Ross.

https://youtu.be/pw5ETGiiBRg
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2016, 10:58:06 »
I think that we should all sit back and relax, chillin' out to Bob Ross.

https://youtu.be/pw5ETGiiBRg


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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2016, 11:34:14 »
I think that we should all sit back and relax, chillin' out to Bob Ross.

https://youtu.be/pw5ETGiiBRg
He is so soothing and calming to watch.  Like a visual/audio split, mellowing you out.
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2016, 18:26:43 »
Of course, there are many people who are thinking ahead, foremost among them the President Elect himself:

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/12/10/how-trump-can-build-a-powerful-political-machine/

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How Trump Can Build a Powerful Political Machine
HARRY ZIEVE COHEN
Trump’s infrastructure ambitions can help him build the most powerful political machine America has seen in decades.

Donald Trump, who has been underestimated by his opponents for the past 18 months, has a strategy to build the most powerful political machine America has seen in decades while gaining popularity with voters. His critics could be blindsided again.

The strategy depends on the construction and repair of $1 trillion worth of infrastructure. To understand how Trump plans to accomplish such an ambitious task, look no further than the new LaGuardia Airport, which Governing magazine reports could be a model project for Trump’s administration:

All of the design, construction, operation and maintenance of the new terminal will be carried out by private companies that have formed LaGuardia Gateway Partners. The group is putting up $2.6 billion of the cost and will run the terminal through 2050.

The public-private partnership reduces the risk of cost overruns, delays and poor construction, says Johan Henriksson, a top official with the construction firm Skanska, one of the companies in the consortium. The partnership has a vested interest in providing amenities customers want because it will be operating the terminal and collecting rents for decades to come.

But the biggest benefit might be how quickly the private companies can start to turn things around. “This discussion about LaGuardia not being up to par has been a discussion that’s been going on for a long time,” Henriksson says. “But now it is finally getting off the ground. Without the P3 structure, it would be hard to do that.”

The approach has impressed Biden, who returned to LaGuardia this summer to help break ground for the renovations. “Best of all, it’s not a plan,” the vice president said. “It’s not a sketch, it’s not a dream, it’s not a vision. It is actually happening.”

Trump’s plans, from what we know, will rely on this kind of public-private partnership (called a P3). It’s not a new idea. In Europe—hardly a bastion of laissez-faire governance—many major infrastructure assets are owned and operated by private firms, including mass transit, high-speed rail, and airports. America’s preference for government-owned and operated infrastructure is in fact rather exceptional, driven more by ideology (and special interests like unions and consultants) than rigorous policy analysis. An asset like LaGuardia Airport, which is run by the notoriously corrupt and inefficient Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, will almost certainly be more efficiently rebuilt by a private company that can’t afford to take a loss.

P3s are becoming more popular in America amidst high labor costs, dense webs of red tape, and constrained budgets. In an illustrative case from 2012, a private company received a concession to operate the Ohio State University’s parking system for 50 years. The university was paid roughly $480 million in exchange for the lease, and the private company now has the rights to charge for parking spots. The company also has to pay for maintenance over the 50-year duration. Critics allege that by turning a public good into a profitable asset, teachers and students will have to pay more for services. Proponents say that the deal was a favorable one for the school, which was handed nearly a half-billion dollars in much-needed cash and now doesn’t have to worry about taking care of its parking lots for a half century.

In theory, privatizing infrastructure shouldn’t save money: Either way, residents are paying for the same services. But private firms aren’t subject to the same burdensome regulations and hierarchies that bloated government agencies must work through. It’s easier to hand off a project to a private company than to reform the bureaucracy. In addition, P3 contracts typically specify maintenance expectations up front, whereas politicians kick those costs down the road. Deferring maintenance often means repairs, when they finally happen, are even more expensive. Moreover, privatizing, say, a bridge with a multi-decade concession means the crossing won’t be constantly subject to changing political fortunes. So, in practice, privatization can be a great way to save money and still deliver essential goods.

Still, over the past few weeks, leftwing critics like Senator Bernie Sanders and Vice President Biden’s former chief of staff, Ron Klain, have been very critical of Trump’s infrastructure plans precisely because they rely so much on privatization. Instead of jobs and safer bridges, they see billions of dollars in corruption and corporate welfare. As Klain wrote a few weeks ago in the Washington Post:

The Trump plan doesn’t directly fund new roads, bridges, water systems or airports, as did Hillary Clinton’s 2016 infrastructure proposal. Instead, Trump’s plan provides tax breaks to private-sector investors who back profitable construction projects. These projects (such as electrical grid modernization or energy pipeline expansion) might already be planned or even underway. There’s no requirement that the tax breaks be used for incremental or otherwise expanded construction efforts; they could all go just to fatten the pockets of investors in previously planned projects.

Moreover, as others have noted, desperately needed infrastructure projects that are not attractive to private investors — municipal water-system overhauls, repairs of existing roads, replacement of bridges that do not charge tolls — get no help from Trump’s plan. And contractors? Well, they get a “10 percent pretax profit margin,” according to the plan. Combined with Trump’s sweeping business tax break, this would represent a stunning $85 billion after-tax profit for contractors — underwritten by the taxpayers.

It’s true that Trump’s plan apparently relies not only on concessions for profitable assets, but also on less well tested mechanisms to encourage private investors to build and fix America’s roads and bridges. One can easily imagine a P3 concession for a toll road, but what about for, say, a city avenue? If the asset is free to use, it’s harder to incentivize a private company to build and operate it. But it’s not impossible. In Pennsylvania, hundreds of toll-free bridges are being repaired by private companies and will be maintained for decades under a complicated financing arrangement that involves the sale of tax-free state bonds.

To be sure, the critics have a point: Privatization may be very enticing, but it creates opportunities for high-stakes backroom deals. Direct infrastructure spending by the government is hardly honest business, but it is one thing to have some unions and construction firms getting sweet short-term deals from friendly politicians and it’s another to hand off a major highway to a political supporter for fifty years. If politicians are reckless, American taxpayers could lose control over the roads and bridges they rely on every day.

Now, because these assets are still government-owned under a P3, the taxpayers can always take them back if things don’t go as planned. But, if a government does get in the habit of seizing assets, it will be much harder to obtain private investment in the future. Furthermore, courts will force the government to compensate the private entity, and the government may not have the money in hand to do that.

From President-elect Trump’s perspective, however, these apparent bugs look more like features. One trillion dollars in handouts to private companies is a huge opportunity for a politician who has only a rudimentary political machine in place. When it comes time for reelection, Trump will need a base of well-heeled and influential supporters. Traditional Republicans have energy and other business interests.

Democrats have Silicon Valley, unions, and Hollywood. Trump has almost no one, and privatizing America’s infrastructure gives him a chance to build a coalition of private construction companies, lawyers, consultants, financiers, and others. This is a business he knows well, a world in which he already has plenty of contacts.

So critics should be aware that what they see as fatal flaws in the plan may, from Trump’s point of view, be huge advantages. Meanwhile, they should know that the America’s and Europe’s experiences with privatization suggest it could work very well. The way America currently builds infrastructure is hugely inefficient and costs can be multiples of what they would be in similar European contexts. There’s a ton of room for improvement. Trump’s infrastructure plan may ultimately appear relatively inexpensive and efficient to taxpayers while simultaneously building him a powerful and durable political machine that is financially dependent on his reelection. Four years is a small window, and shovel-ready projects are hard to find, but if Trump can make some high-profile improvements, he’ll build a lot of political capital. Meanwhile, he’ll have thousands of businesses indebted to him, and very keen on the prospect of him staying in power.

Building roads is a time-tested way to win voters’ hearts. Infrastructure investment may also turn out to be Trump’s master strategy for constructing a formidable political machine.
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2017, 12:22:08 »
Another element in all of this is how Barack's rent-a-mobs from his Organization For Action will play out.

If he can't have the levers of power, is he prepared to blow them up?
Certainly, I believe, he has followers who are so convinced that the end of world is nigh that all means are justified.  And that concerns me.

Organizing For Action - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizing_for_Action

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Obama-linked activists have a ‘training manual’ for protesting Trump

By Paul Sperry February 18, 2017 | 10:30am | Updated

Obama-linked activists have a ‘training manual’ for protesting Trump

An Obama-tied activist group training tens of thousands of agitators to protest President Trump’s policies plans to hit Republican lawmakers supporting those policies even harder this week, when they return home for the congressional recess and hold town hall meetings and other functions.

Organizing for Action, a group founded by Obama and featured prominently on his new post-presidency website, is distributing a training manual to anti-Trump activists that advises them to bully GOP lawmakers into backing off support for repealing ObamaCare, curbing immigration from high-risk Islamic nations, and building a border wall.

In a new Facebook post, OFA calls on activists to mobilize against Republicans from now until Feb. 26, when “representatives are going to be in their home districts.”

The protesters disrupted town halls earlier this month, including one held in Utah by House Oversight Chairman Jason Chaffetz, who was confronted by hundreds of angry demonstrators claiming to be his constituents.

The manual, published with OFA partner “Indivisible,” advises protesters to go into halls quietly so as not to raise alarms, and “grab seats at the front of the room but do not all sit together.” Rather, spread out in pairs to make it seem like the whole room opposes the Republican host’s positions. “This will help reinforce the impression of broad consensus.” It also urges them to ask “hostile” questions — while keeping “a firm hold on the mic” — and loudly boo the the GOP politician if he isn’t “giving you real answers.”

“Express your concern [to the event’s hosts] they are giving a platform to pro-Trump authoritarianism, racism, and corruption,” it says.

The goal is to make Republicans, even from safe districts, second-guess their support for the Trump agenda, and to prime “the ground for the 2018 midterms when Democrats retake power.”

The goal is to make Republicans, even from safe districts, second-guess their support for the Trump agenda
“Even the safest [Republican] will be deeply alarmed by signs of organized opposition,” the document states, “because these actions create the impression that they’re not connected to their district and not listening to their constituents.”

After the event, protesters are advised to feed video footage to local and national media.

“Unfavorable exchanges caught on video can be devastating” for Republican lawmakers, it says, when “shared through social media and picked up by local and national media.” After protesters gave MSNBC, CNN and the networks footage of their dust-up with Chaffetz, for example, the outlets ran them continuously, forcing Chaffetz to issue statements defending himself.

The manual also advises protesters to flood “Trump-friendly” lawmakers’ Hill offices with angry phone calls and emails demanding the resignation of top White House adviser Steve Bannon.

A script advises callers to complain: “I’m honestly scared that a known racist and anti-Semite will be working just feet from the Oval Office … It is everyone’s business if a man who promoted white supremacy is serving as an adviser to the president.”

The document provides no evidence to support such accusations.

Protesters, who may or may not be affiliated with OFA, are also storming district offices. Last week, GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher blamed a “mob” of anti-Trump activists for knocking unconscious a 71-year-old female staffer at his Southern California office. A video of the incident, showing a small crowd around an opening door, was less conclusive.

Separately, OFA, which is run by ex-Obama officials and staffers, plans to stage 400 rallies across 42 states this year to attack Trump and Republicans over ObamaCare’s repeal.

“This is a fight we can win,” OFA recently told its foot soldiers. “They’re starting to waver.”

On Thursday, Trump insisted he’s moving ahead with plans to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, which has ballooned health-insurance premiums and deductibles. “Obamacare is a disaster, folks,” he said, adding that activists protesting its repeal are hijacking GOP town halls and other events.

“They fill up our rallies with people that you wonder how they get there,” the president said. “But they’re not the Republican people that our representatives are representing.”

As The Post reported, OFA boasts more than 250 offices nationwide and more than 32,000 organizers, with another 25,000 actively under training. Since November, it’s beefed up staff and fundraising, though as a “social welfare” non-profit, it does not have to reveal its donors.

These aren’t typical Black Lives Matter or Occupy Wall Street marchers, but rather professionally trained organizers who go through a six-week training program similar to the training — steeped in Alinsky agitation tactics — Obama received in Chicago when he was a community organizer.

Chicago socialist Saul Alinsky, known by the left as “the father of community organizing,” taught radicals to “rub raw the sores of discontent” and create the conditions for a “revolution.” He dedicated his book, “Rules for Radicals,” to “Lucifer.” Michelle Obama quoted from the book when she helped launch OFA in 2013.

Obama appears to be behind the anti-Trump protests. He praised recent demonstrations against Trump’s travel ban. And last year, after Trump’s upset victory, he personally rallied OFA troops to “protect” his legacy in a conference call. “Now is the time for some organizing,” he said. “So don’t mope” over the election results.

He promised OFA activists he would soon join them in the fray.

“Understand that I’m going to be constrained in what I do with all of you until I am again a private citizen, but that’s not so far off,” he said. “You’re going to see me early next year, and we’re going to be in a position where we can start cooking up all kinds of great stuff.”

Added the ex-president: “I promise you that next year Michelle and I are going to be right there with you, and the clouds are going to start parting, and we’re going to be busy. I’ve got all kinds of thoughts and ideas about it, but this isn’t the best time to share them.

“Point is, I’m still fired up and ready to go, and I hope that all of you are, as well.”
http://nypost.com/2017/02/18/obama-linked-activists-have-a-training-manual-for-protesting-trump/

This is disconcerting in a democratic society.  It is the way the Bolsheviks (The Majority) found their way to power despite losing the election to the Mensheviks (The Minority). 

Fortunately there seems to be an effective counter in the offing - from the Democrats themselves

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Blog: State Dem leaders livid at Obama organizing group OFA

Leaked emails from a Democratic party Listserve account reveal the anger of local and state Democratic leaders at the relaunching of President Obama's activist group, Organizing for Action (OFA). Many Democrats around the country believe the group siphons money and people from state parties, which directly led to the party losing more than 1,000 state legislative seats during the Obama years.

Daily Beast:

The nonprofit, which functions as a sort of parallel-Democratic National Committee, was founded to mobilize Democratic voters and supporters in defense of President Obama’s, and the Democratic Party’s, agenda. Instead, the organization has drawn the intense ire, both public and private, of grassroots organizers and state parties that are convinced that OFA inadvertently helped decimate Democrats at the state and local level, while Republicans cemented historic levels of power and Donald J. Trump actually became leader of the free world.
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2017, 12:43:56 »
Another element in all of this is how Barack's rent-a-mobs from his Organization For Action will play out.

If he can't have the levers of power, is he prepared to blow them up?
Certainly, I believe, he has followers who are so convinced that the end of world is nigh that all means are justified.  And that concerns me.

Organizing For Action - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizing_for_Action
http://nypost.com/2017/02/18/obama-linked-activists-have-a-training-manual-for-protesting-trump/

This is disconcerting in a democratic society.  It is the way the Bolsheviks (The Majority) found their way to power despite losing the election to the Mensheviks (The Minority). 

Fortunately there seems to be an effective counter in the offing - from the Democrats themselves

http://qwiket.com/context/topic/blog-state-dem-leaders-livid-at-obama-organizing-group-ofa

That concerns me as well. Probably why I have been vehemently anti Obama since about a year after he came in on his first term.

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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2017, 13:41:53 »
The source of the White House leaks may have been uncovered the deputy White House Chief of Staff !! Is she THE leaker or does this include her boss Rience Priebus ? Emails were discovered between Priebus and Walsh on how to get rid of Trump.

http://gotnews.com/breaking-reinces-gal-whitehouse-chief-staff-kmwalsh_gop-source-trump-leaks-nytimes-others/

White House Deputy Chief of Staff and #NeverTrump Republican Katie Walsh has been identified as the source behind a bunch of leaks from the Trump administration to The New York Times and other media outlets, according to multiple sources in the White House, media, donor community, and pro-Trump 501(c)4 political group.

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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2017, 14:25:49 »
The source of the White House leaks may have been uncovered the deputy White House Chief of Staff !! Is she THE leaker or does this include her boss Rience Priebus ? Emails were discovered between Priebus and Walsh on how to get rid of Trump.

http://gotnews.com/breaking-reinces-gal-whitehouse-chief-staff-kmwalsh_gop-source-trump-leaks-nytimes-others/

White House Deputy Chief of Staff and #NeverTrump Republican Katie Walsh has been identified as the source behind a bunch of leaks from the Trump administration to The New York Times and other media outlets, according to multiple sources in the White House, media, donor community, and pro-Trump 501(c)4 political group.

Wow.  That site makes me want to invest in tinfoil shares.
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2017, 14:44:50 »
What he told his fans about Sweden...................

Funnily enough, the Swedish govt has no idea of what he's talking about, and has requested clarification.

For those who aren't up to speed on this, Trump claimed that there had been a terrorist attack in Sweden.

He possibly meant Sehwan, a mere 3270 miles from Stockholm.

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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2017, 14:51:40 »
Wow.  That site makes me want to invest in tinfoil shares.
Clearly you don't get it, you elitist, legacy media, fact-reliant snob.  It's no different than "reality TV's" connection to....well, reality.    :stars:


Oh, and going back reading earlier posts (because I wasn't following):
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I guess we can scratch First Lady Melania off the list as she was not born in the U.S.
Ha!  Except now President Elect Trump actually has enough control to change that rule.
You think Trump would bother changing the citizenship requirement so his duty sheep could run, when he'd be more likely to abolish the Presidential two-term limit law? 

After all, Napoleon was a big fan of the French Revolution overthrowing the monarchy.... right up until he proclaimed himself Emperor Napoleon I.   :pop:

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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2017, 17:23:08 »
The source of the White House leaks may have been uncovered the deputy White House Chief of Staff !! Is she THE leaker or does this include her boss Rience Priebus ? Emails were discovered between Priebus and Walsh on how to get rid of Trump.

http://gotnews.com/breaking-reinces-gal-whitehouse-chief-staff-kmwalsh_gop-source-trump-leaks-nytimes-others/

White House Deputy Chief of Staff and #NeverTrump Republican Katie Walsh has been identified as the source behind a bunch of leaks from the Trump administration to The New York Times and other media outlets, according to multiple sources in the White House, media, donor community, and pro-Trump 501(c)4 political group.

Not exactly an unbiased news source.

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Possibly a hatchet job?

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Walsh would have significant access as she controls the president’s schedule. There’s also reportedly a trove of e-mails where Katie Walsh and Reince Priebus discuss how to rid themselves of Trump, according to a former #NeverTrump consultant.


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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2017, 17:11:40 »
If you thought 2016 was theatre of the absurd, you ain't seen nothin' yet:

President Oprah? Winfrey doesn't rule out 2020 run

Media mogul Oprah Winfrey did not say she was running for president, but she didn't rule it out either, raising the unlikely prospect of a titanic celebrity-on-celebrity duel with Donald Trump in 2020.
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Re: US Election: 2020
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2017, 18:10:14 »
She is a Billionaire. She must release her seven year tax returns. :crybaby:
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« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2017, 18:20:18 »
YOU get handouts! YOU get handouts! And YOU get handouts!
It's hard to win an argument against a smart person, it's damned near impossible against a stupid person.

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