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USN Has a Big Problem
« on: October 20, 2015, 22:12:58 »
Interesting article concerning the short comings of the USN carrier fleet.Mainly the short range of the carrier aircraft say 500 nm vs older aircraft with ranges over 1000nm.Take into account China's Dong Feng anti-ship missile with a 1000 mile range this would push a carrier beyond the effective range of its air wing.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/retired-us-navy-captain-centerpieces-194800446.html

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Aircraft carriers are the ultimate symbol of American military dominance.

Weighing tens of thousands of tons and costing billions of dollars, these vessels allow the US to project power around the world far from its shores.
 
But according to a retired US Navy captain, the prime time of aircraft carriers may be coming to an end as strategic mistakes committed by the US over the past 20 years has limited these vessel's capabilities while leaving them open to strikes from new emerging threats.
 
Retired Navy Capt. Jerry Hendrix, writing in the Center for a New American Security, makes the case that aircraft carriers have steadily lost their utility over the past two decades.
 
At fault for this are twin mistakes of the US Navy: a steady introduction of aircraft with decreasing flight ranges in addition to a failure to foresee rising military capabilities from countries like China that could target carriers.

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Re: USN Has a Big Problem
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2019, 16:52:19 »
USN needs aircraft with serious greater unrefuelled radius than Super Hornet/F-35C in light esp. Chinese missile threats to carriers:

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Report: U.S. Carriers Need New Lethal Unmanned Aircraft, New Fighter to Stay Relevant

To keep U.S. carriers relevant into the 21st century, the Navy needs to restart development of a lethal unmanned aircraft to fly from carrier decks, according to a new study on the future of the carrier air wing.

The Navy’s current air wing is composed of aircraft that don’t have the effective combat radius required to fight a far-flung island campaign in the Western Pacific, concluded the Regaining the High Ground at Sea: Transforming the U.S. Navy’s Carrier Air Wing for Great Power Competition [ https://csbaonline.org/research/publications/regaining-the-high-ground-at-sea-transforming-the-u.s.-navys-carrier-air-wi/publication ] study from Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. In order to keep the carrier safe from a growing range of guided-missile threats, a carrier might need to stay as far away as 1,000 nautical miles. That’s about 400 nautical miles more than the effective combat radius of the emerging F-35C Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter and 500 more than for the current crop of F/A-18E/F Super Hornets.

“The range (of current aircraft) is relatively short compared to other aircraft because we’ve had to make design compromises with those aircraft to allow them to operate with some speed and maneuverability; they had to trade off some of their range in the design to be able to do that,” the report’s lead author Bryan Clark said last month at a CSBA event.

“You have an air wing of aircraft that are relatively short range but relatively high payload, but that’s not necessarily well suited to these operations.”

The answer to the stand-off distance problem, according to CSBA, is for the Navy to field as many as 30 high-end unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAV) to fly combat air patrols up to 1,000 nautical miles from a carrier.

The notional UCAV would have a payload at least as large as the manned fighters in the air wing and be geared to not only land strike missions but also anti-air operations. It would also serve as a sensor node for air and missile defense missions, read the report.

Clark also recommended that in addition to the high-end UCAV, the Navy should modify its planned MQ-25A Stingray unmanned refueling aircraft to include more capabilities.

“We recommend that the Navy continue with its refueling aircraft, which is currently the MQ-25A, but evolve that aircraft to become a more multi-mission capable aircraft, and taking a future UCAV and adapting that to have a refueling variant in the future,” Clark said.

Eventually, both the modified refueler and the UCAV would field other capabilities like electronic warfare suites and expanded sensors packages to provide information to the strike group and other aircraft.

In addition to the new UCAV, Clark’s report called for the Navy to develop a new manned fighter to take the place of the F/A-18E/F on the carrier that would have improved range to cope with the new distances required to be effective in the Western Pacific conflict...


CSBA notional airwing of 2040. CSBA Image

https://news.usni.org/2019/03/05/report-u-s-carriers-need-new-lethal-unmanned-aircraft-new-fighter-to-stay-relevant

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Re: USN Has a Big Problem
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2019, 23:24:17 »
Carrier aircraft can be refueled from carrier or land based refuelers. Its dumb to drop money into the F35 if you knew going in that it lacked range.Now the USN wants an unmanned alternative.

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Re: USN Has a Big Problem
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2019, 00:48:24 »
Carrier aircraft can be refueled from carrier or land based refuelers. Its dumb to drop money into the F35 if you knew going in that it lacked range.Now the USN wants an unmanned alternative.

And, like everywhere else in a good military, carrier groups don't fight alone.... What else can cover the 1000 nm+ field of operations?
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