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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #150 on: June 19, 2016, 22:29:34 »
If your profile is right and you're a Signaller: If something sustained happens, you'll have more deployments than you know what to do with. Look at the guys around HQ&Sigs with 4 rotation bars.
Back when the earth was cooling (I read)...pretty much everyone in the Army had a Cyprus ribbon and a CD.....except for all of these Jimmy Cpls, with three rows of medals --- because they went EVERYWHERE.

Not sure what changed.

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #151 on: June 19, 2016, 22:30:06 »
There was only one place to go for the last 10 years.  ;D

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #152 on: June 19, 2016, 22:36:34 »
There was only one place to go for the last 10 years.  ;D
But "back in the day" every peacekeeping operation included Sigs (as the only folks [not just Canadians]) who could establish HF comms.  No Canadians deployed without Sigs. 

Tangent:  maybe you folks made yourselves TOO special and got trumped by e-mail to UNHQ NY    :dunno:

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #153 on: June 19, 2016, 22:40:36 »
Might coincide with Sigs pretending HF wasn't important anymore. Concur with the email comment. I remember phone calls home with my Dad through a HAM radio patch. "Technology".

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #154 on: June 20, 2016, 09:46:43 »
[tamgent conntinues]

I've used HF on more than a few occasions to make ops life a little more functional. HF is definitely an UNDERAPPRCIATED art! :nod:

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #155 on: June 20, 2016, 09:54:15 »
I have to agree, any of the "HQ and Pigs, Jimmies" I knew back in the day were going everywhere and not just where the CF was going either.  They were accompanying the PM on trips to Africa etc.  If anything, they were wishing they were not being tasked so much.

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #156 on: June 20, 2016, 10:24:31 »
I looked after 79 Comm Regt for a couple years in the late 90's before they were disbanded - the Rapid Deployment Squadron was called "Rapid Divorce Sqn" because the folks were usually 6 in/6 out or 3 in/3 out of Bosnia, Central African Republic, Kosovo, and all other little shyte holes in the world except for the Golan, which was a CFJSR task IIRC.  The folks in 1 Line Sqn were tasked away roughly 300 days of the year on jobs, projects and deployments.

It annoyed more than a few people that they were getting burned out when there were about 800 operators/techs over at CFJSR spinning on their thumbs that were grovelling for deployments...they soon got reintegrated into the Regiment a little before I was posted in 2002.

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #157 on: June 22, 2016, 01:00:02 »
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Canada must do more to help NATO combat Russian threat, Mulroney says



Robert Fife

OTTAWA — The Globe and Mail

Published Monday, Jun. 20, 2016 7:30PM EDT

Last updated Monday, Jun. 20, 2016 7:30PM EDT

Former prime minister Brian Mulroney says the Trudeau government should choose the very best fighter jet to confront the growing threat from Russia as he urged Canada to play a more forceful role within NATO and the United Nations.

In a prepared text for a major foreign policy speech to the NATO Association of Canada on Monday night, Mr. Mulroney warned that Russian President Vladimir Putin is attempting to create a new Eurasian union dependent on Moscow.

“The primary challenge now is to thwart further expansion by Russia and to ensure that those NATO members that border Russia, especially Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, remain secure and firmly under NATO’s wing,” he said.

NATO is scrambling to contain the threat by stationing four battalions of troops in the Baltic countries, but more needs to be done, Mr. Mulroney said.

“Canada is being invited to contribute troops in some way and, in my view, we should respond positively,” he said. “We need to be equipped and ready, as necessary, to preserve our values.”

Mr. Mulroney said Canada should double defence spending to 2 per cent of GDP.

“The simple reality is that if Canada expects NATO to do more on global security, we must decide to do more for NATO. That should be a top defence priority. What we cannot do is talk about Canada ‘being back’ in the world without making tangible commitments that will anchor our aspirations,” he said.

Mr. Mulroney was sharply critical of the Liberal government’s‎ waffling on an open competition for a new fighter jet. During the election campaign, Justin Trudeau promised to reject the former Conservative government’s favoured aircraft, the F-35 stealth jet, which 11 western allies have now bought.

The government is considering Super Hornets as an interim replacement for the aging CF-18s‎.

“We need new fighter aircraft, but most of all, we need a decision on what we will buy to serve our strategic needs, not an interim purchase driven by political considerations that risk repeating the helicopter fiasco,” Mr. Mulroney said.

The former prime minister noted the problems that happened in the 1990s, when the Chrétien Liberals succeeded the Mulroney Conservatives and cancelled their $4.4-billion purchase of EH-101 helicopters. Mr. Chrétien’s decision cost taxpayers half a billion dollars in penalties. The government ended up buying the same helicopters, but the costs had then risen to $7.6-billion.

U.S. defence giant Lockheed Martin has already said Canada could lose $825-million in aerospace contracts that were signed with Canadian companies to build equipment for the F-35 jets if the Liberal government buys the Super Hornets.

Mr. Mulroney said Canada should follow the Australian model and set up an independent, arms-length agency to handle major defence procurement through an open bidding process.

He also urged Mr. Trudeau to join the U.S. anti-ballisic missile defence system to protect Canada from countries such as North Korea that are heavily investing in long-range nuclear missile capability.

“We cannot subcontract our responsibility to national security to our southern neighbour, no matter how secure we may believe ourselves to be relying exclusively on American continental security,” he said.

Mr. Mulroney supported Mr. Trudeau’s plans to be more engaged in UN peacekeeping and to play a more prominent role in the world body.

The UN is in urgent need of an overhaul in its personnel policies, and requires much tighter accountability, Mr. Mulroney said.

“Since Cana‎da remains the 7th-largest contributor of funds to the UN and its agencies, we should move beyond fuzzy sentiments and position ourselves in the vanguard of those seeking genuine reform at the UN,” he said.


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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #159 on: June 22, 2016, 06:47:23 »
Meanwhile (highlights mine) ...
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Russia is pushing back against NATO calls for Canada to help lead a new military force in Eastern Europe, describing the measure as “a complete waste of money and resources.”

The new force will be a central focus when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau meets his NATO counterparts in Poland next month. The alliance wants to station 4,000 troops across Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland as a bulwark against Russian expansion or aggression.

The U.S., Britain and Germany have each promised to lead one battalion of about 1,000 troops, and allies have been actively pushing Canada to take command of the fourth. Cabinet ministers are believed to have discussed the request Monday and an announcement is expected soon.

In a sharply worded statement, however, the Russian embassy in Ottawa said the NATO force risks distracting from “the real existential threat” facing Canada and Russia: ISIL and terrorism.

“We believe that NATO build-up on Russia’s doorstep, which is reminiscent of Cold War sabre-rattling, is a complete waste of money and resources, diverting them from the real existential threat of international terrorism,” it says.

“Given that terrorists make no distinction between Russians and Canadians, as well as reports claiming 151 nationals of Canada are on an ISIS ‘kill list,’ common sense and pragmatism dictate the need to join efforts, as opposed to reincarnation of Cold War containment.”
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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #160 on: June 22, 2016, 10:44:05 »
Might resonate more strongly if Russia weren't killing the people killing ISIL.
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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #161 on: June 22, 2016, 10:57:06 »
Might resonate more strongly if Russia weren't killing the people killing ISIL.
Or at least some of them - but hey, it's the U.S.'s fault for not sharing all their marked maps with Russia, right?

Funny how that gets lost in a lot of media coverage/debate - a bit messier than the old Fulda Gap red-and-blue map, indeed.
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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #162 on: June 22, 2016, 10:59:09 »
Might resonate more strongly if Russia weren't killing the people killing ISIL.

Or occupying nearby peninsulas that don't belong to them.  :nod:

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #163 on: June 22, 2016, 11:09:34 »
Or occupying nearby peninsulas that don't belong to them.  :nod:
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USAF F22s sent to the Black Sea
« Reply #164 on: June 22, 2016, 16:33:03 »
Rocky and Bullwinkle aside and Boris Badinov aside...  [:D

Meanwhile the USAF sends F22s to the Black Sea region:

US sends F-22 warplanes to the Black Sea

Source: Business Insider (Facebook page)
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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #165 on: June 22, 2016, 21:11:47 »
Russia, last week:   :tsktsk:
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A senior Russian diplomat on Wednesday warned NATO not to build up its naval forces in the Black Sea, saying such a move would undermine regional security and Moscow’s already frayed ties with the alliance.

Russian state media reported earlier this month that the USS Porter, a U.S. naval destroyer, had entered the Black Sea on a routine deployment, a move it said raised hackles in Moscow because it had recently been fitted with a new missile system.

Under the Montreux Convention, countries which don’t have a Black Sea coastline cannot keep their warships there for more than 21 days. NATO members Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria are all Black Sea Basin countries.

Russia, which annexed Ukraine’s Crimea in 2014, has its own Black Sea Fleet based at Sevastopol.

“If a decision is made to create a permanent force, of course, it would be destabilising, because this is not a NATO sea,” Russian news agencies quoted Andrei Kelin, a senior Foreign Ministry official, as saying ...
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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #166 on: June 30, 2016, 21:22:44 »
Although not military,  don't the Icelandic Coast Guard and their police force still count as some sort of security force?

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Iceland Authorizes Return of US Troops Amid Russian Threat
Agence France-Presse 12:03 p.m. EDT June 30, 2016

REYKJAVIK, Iceland — Washington and Reykjavik have signed a deal authorizing the occasional return of US forces to Iceland — a NATO member with no military of its own — amid rising tensions with Moscow, Iceland's foreign ministry said Thursday.

"The security environment in Europe, including in the North Atlantic, has changed for the past 10 years, and Icelandic and US authorities agree on the need to reflect this in a new declaration," Iceland's Foreign Minister Lilja Alfredsdottir said in a statement. "In particular, we want, in this new declaration, to highlight the rotational presence of US military forces in Iceland, which constitutes a gradation in our cooperation."

The United States has guaranteed Iceland's defense since 1951 following an agreement between the two countries.

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #167 on: June 30, 2016, 21:47:45 »
Russia, last week:   :tsktsk:



To be fair, I believe Russia has a point.

The west has built up military forces right up to Russia's borders, and has warships regularly patrolling the Black Sea.  This is traditional Russian territory, within their traditional geographical sphere of influence.

And yet when Russian military forces intercept or even come near our forces - which are parked right near the Russian border - our media has a storm with it.

I'm sure if Russian naval ships were patrolling just off the coast of Vancouver Island, we'd probably have some folks to meet them there. 

It seems to me that NATO is just as guilty of building tensions in the region as Russia is, whether we want to admit that to ourselves or not.
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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #168 on: July 09, 2016, 12:16:09 »
An update that goes with the parallel thread on Canada sending troops to Latvia for new NATO brigade thread.

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NATO Agrees On E. European Rotational Troops At Warsaw Summit
Jaroslaw Adamowski, Defense News 1:44 p.m. EDT July 8, 2016


WARSAW, Poland — NATO leaders agreed to deploy four multinational battalions to Poland and the three Baltic States in a bid to show the alliance’s readiness to contain an increasingly bellicose Russia. The plan was agreed July 8 at the summit in Poland’s capital Warsaw.

NATO will deploy troops to Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia with the aim to strengthen the alliance’s military presence on its eastern flank.

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #169 on: July 09, 2016, 12:54:28 »


To be fair, I believe Russia has a point.

The west has built up military forces right up to Russia's borders, and has warships regularly patrolling the Black Sea.  This is traditional Russian territory, within their traditional geographical sphere of influence.

And yet when Russian military forces intercept or even come near our forces - which are parked right near the Russian border - our media has a storm with it.

I'm sure if Russian naval ships were patrolling just off the coast of Vancouver Island, we'd probably have some folks to meet them there. 

It seems to me that NATO is just as guilty of building tensions in the region as Russia is, whether we want to admit that to ourselves or not.

The problem is: what is the appropriate response to the combined threat of external subversion (by means of exploiting minority discontent) and little green men volunteering to show up on their holidays with tanks and MRLs?

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Re: USAF F22s sent to the Black Sea
« Reply #170 on: July 09, 2016, 15:58:54 »
Rocky and Bullwinkle aside and Boris Badinov aside...  [:D

Meanwhile the USAF sends F22s to the Black Sea region:

US sends F-22 warplanes to the Black Sea

Source: Business Insider (Facebook page)

Didn't see that coming.  [:D
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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #171 on: September 10, 2019, 16:16:02 »
USAF B-2s to Arctic over Norwegian Sea:

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B-2 stealth bombers just flew their first Arctic missions, and it’s an unmistakable message to Russia

    *Three US B-2 Spirit stealth bombers flew an extended sortie over the Norwegian Sea, a strategically important space in the increasing tensions with Russia.
    *The B-2s, part of the 509th Bomb Wing from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, also made their first visit to Iceland last month and flew with Royal Air Force F-35s, the first time B-2s had flown with foreign F-35s.
   
In a clear message to Russian forces, three US B-2 Spirit stealth bombers flew an extended sortie over the Arctic Circle for the first time on Sept. 5, the Air Force’s 509th Bomb Wing confirmed to Insider.

“This familiarization was the B-2’s first mission this far north in the European theater,” according to a Facebook post from the US Air Forces in Europe and Air Forces Africa.

Details about the sortie over the Norwegian Sea are scarce, but the aircraft involved completed a night refueling over the Arctic Circle as part of Bomber Task Force Europe. In March, Norway accused Russia of jamming its GPS systems and interfering in encrypted communications systems.

“Training outside the U.S. enables aircrew and Airmen to become familiar with other theaters and airspace, and enhances enduring skills and relationships necessary to confront a broad range of global challenges,” US Air Force spokesman Capt. Christopher Bowyer-Meeder told Insider.

Read More: Stunning photos show US Air Force B-2 stealth bombers training with British F-35 fighters for the first time https://www.businessinsider.com/british-f35s-air-force-b2s-train-together-first-time-2019-8

The B-2s are part of the 509th Bomb Wing from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri. They are deployed to Royal Air Force Base Fairford near Gloucestershire, England where last month they flew with non-US F-35s for the first time. RAF Fairford is the forward operating location for US Air Force in Europe’s bombers.

Four KC-135 Stratotanker aircraft from the 100th Air Refueling Wing stationed at RAF Mildenhall joined the B-2s on the mission over the Norwegian Sea
[emphasis added].

A spokesperson from the 509th Bomb Wing told Insider that no other NATO aircraft were involved in the mission, and the bombers did not have any ammunition on board.

Last month, the B-2 also made its very first visit to Iceland, establishing the Air Force’s presence in a region Russia considers its dominion. Iceland’s Keflavik Air Base was established during the Cold War as a deterrent to the Soviet Union, and the B-2s’ brief stopoff there demonstrated its ability to operate in cold-weather conditions.

In the past year, US forces have completed several missions from the region to deter Russian aggression against NATO allies, including B-52 training near the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia forcibly took in 2014. That aggression kicked off the European Deterrance Initiative to ensure quick reaction to threats and assure NATO allies of the US’s commitment to defense.


    A B-2 Spirit assigned to Whiteman AFB, Missouri, approaches to receive fuel from a KC-135 Stratotanker assigned to RAF Mildenhall over the Norwegian Sea, Sept. 5, 2019. This was an extended duration flight that proved the B-2’s ability to operate in the Arctic circle.
    Staff Sgt. Jordan Castelan /US Air Force / DVIDS

https://www.businessinsider.sg/b-2-stealth-bomber-flew-first-sortie-over-the-arctic-2019-9/

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #172 on: September 11, 2019, 01:19:37 »
If the Americans were smart they'd simply fly their tankers up in the region then put out a press release that the stealth bombers did a sortie there.  It would drive the Russians nuts trying how to figure out how to track the totally invisible bombers!

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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #173 on: September 11, 2019, 07:53:20 »
If the Americans were smart they'd simply fly their tankers up in the region then put out a press release that the stealth bombers did a sortie there.  It would drive the Russians nuts trying how to figure out how to track the totally invisible bombers!
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Re: NATO response to Russian sabre rattling
« Reply #174 on: September 11, 2019, 13:15:20 »
Great. You just solved the RCAF fighter replacement dilemma.
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