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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #150 on: July 09, 2019, 08:43:35 »
That makes all kinds of sense to park my car and Uber.  Unless I find an AirBNB close by, it's about a 20 minute drive from the hotel, so probably double the cost of a rental. :nod: ::)

Planning on dropping my daughter off at the grandparents at the visit, and taking some time off afterwards to visit family, so PMV makes more sense, but otherwise would have gone with the train and rental.  It's a nice ride down on the train and faster than driving, once you include traffic. Last time hit some crazy traffic starting in Kingston and took me almost 9 hours in total.

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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #151 on: July 12, 2019, 13:06:22 »
answer I got was maybe to the gas.

7.20 General
1.(No Entitlement) There is no entitlement for a member to be reimbursed any expenses for travel to and from their permanent workplace on a daily basis.
2.(Selection) An approving authority selects a member’s mode - or combination of modes - of transportation on duty travel after consideration of all of the following: a.the relative cost and efficiency of available modes of transportation during the duty travel;
b.the conditions of road transportation and all other modes of transportation — in the duty travel area;
c.forecasted weather conditions during the duty travel;
d.the preferred transportation for short, local trips is by bus, taxi, shuttle, and other local transportation services;
e.the CF’s operational needs;
f.an intermediate sedan is the standard rental vehicle across government;
g.the member’s safety and convenience;
h.the amount of baggage or supplies that the member is required to transport; and
i.any other factor that is immediately relevant to the duty travel requirement.

7.42 Taxis, buses, etc

Subject to paragraph 7.20(2) (Selection), a member who uses a taxi, bus, or other local transportation on duty travel is entitled to be reimbursed for actual and reasonable travel expenses and gratuities.


So that could be a matter of the approving authority, prior to going on the trip, determines that utilizing your car would be more reasonable than taking the bus. Perhaps you have a lot of material that you need to transfer with you (but then that would be a basis for utilizing PMV on request of the CAF). 

 
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #152 on: July 12, 2019, 13:56:50 »
if I take my PMV on a TD trip, can I still claim gas for the usage while on site for two weeks?

I did TD in Toronto where I was allowed to claim mileage from my hotel to the workplace (and return) daily.  It was definitely more efficient than the bus.  Not to mention, I picked up a coworker at his hotel en route.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #153 on: July 12, 2019, 14:21:36 »
I did TD in Toronto where I was allowed to claim mileage from my hotel to the workplace (and return) daily.  It was definitely more efficient than the bus.  Not to mention, I picked up a coworker at his hotel en route.

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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #154 on: July 12, 2019, 19:27:16 »
Thanks for the ref; don't need to really bring much, but the site is outside of town, not on a bus route and no where near to any lodgings, so some kind of car is required. Would definitely have a rental car if I took the train down, as it'd cost as much for the day as one way on a taxi/uber.

Driving is kind of a no brainer, but was more curious as I don't want to even be bothered with the hassle of trying to claim that with a PMV, as the daily TD allowances will be more than enough to include some gas.

Long story, but this whole TD approval is tenuous anyway, so just happy if they pay the accommodations and I don't need to do two moves (or two years of IR) when I can get 90% of the PG done via distance learning with a few months total of on site time for some thesis experiment work.

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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #155 on: July 15, 2019, 15:02:27 »
The key question is whether you need a car to conduct your duties at the TD location.  If you do, there is a way to do that:

1)  Rent a car from home and drive that to the TD location.  That's the simplest option and all your gas receipts can be paid. 

2)  Travel via POMV and claim mileage from home to TD location and back on a cost comparison basis.  Then while on location, claim daily mileage for use of your POMV while on task.  The daily mileage should NOT be included in the cost comparison.

3)  Use your POMV for travel to and from the TD location, but then rent a car for daily use on task. 
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #156 on: July 15, 2019, 15:16:50 »
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #157 on: July 15, 2019, 18:35:52 »
The key question is whether you need a car to conduct your duties at the TD location.  If you do, there is a way to do that:

1)  Rent a car from home and drive that to the TD location.  That's the simplest option and all your gas receipts can be paid. 

2)  Travel via POMV and claim mileage from home to TD location and back on a cost comparison basis.  Then while on location, claim daily mileage for use of your POMV while on task.  The daily mileage should NOT be included in the cost comparison.

3)  Use your POMV for travel to and from the TD location, but then rent a car for daily use on task.

Why did you necessitate "on a cost comparison." If the member is going to need a vehicle on location, and the Chain of Command doesn't want to pay a rental fee / daily taxis, then they should be requesting the member to take his PMV and he should get the high-rate.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #158 on: July 16, 2019, 10:30:26 »
Why did you necessitate "on a cost comparison." If the member is going to need a vehicle on location, and the Chain of Command doesn't want to pay a rental fee / daily taxis, then they should be requesting the member to take his PMV and he should get the high-rate.

The cost comparison is for the travel by POMV to and from the TD location.  That still has to be done.  The policy is quite clear that travel has to be by the most economical means.  A cost comparison is required to determine his maximum reimbursement for travel from home to the TD location.  Daily transportation at the TD location is a separate piece of this and the OP has already stated that he would be allowed to travel by other means and rent a car when he gets there.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #159 on: July 16, 2019, 15:14:40 »
A CO cannot order someone to use PMV but if someone agrees to using his/her PMV and the CoC agrees it is the “most practical and economical” mean?  I have done that before.

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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #160 on: July 16, 2019, 17:24:57 »
The cost comparison is for the travel by POMV to and from the TD location.  That still has to be done.  The policy is quite clear that travel has to be by the most economical means.

That’s entirely incorrect and it’s a myth I’ve been trying to dispel for quite a while now. This is something that has been pushed by RMS Clerks (now HRAs and FSAs) / 1 type officers (Adjutants, G1 / A1 / N1 / J1 types, etc…. variously backgrounds depending on element) and has been absolutely poor advice to Commanders, causing us to screw members many times over.

The policy is quite clear that the approving authority determines the appropriate mode of travel based a long list of factors, cost only being one of them (actually, only half of one of them, as it's "relative cost and efficiency"). The arcs are actually very very very wide open for the approving authority to use his judgement.

CFTDTIs 5.20(2), 6.20(2), and 7.20(2)
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(2) (Selection) An approving authority selects a member’s mode — or combination of modes — of transportation on duty travel after consideration of all of the following:

(a) the relative cost and efficiency of available modes of transportation during the duty travel;

(b) the conditions of road transportation and all other modes of transportation — in the duty travel area;

(c) forecasted weather conditions during the duty travel;

(d) the preferred transportation for short, local trips is by bus, taxi, shuttle, and other local transportation services;

(e) the CF’s operational needs;

(f) an intermediate sedan is the standard rental vehicle across government;

(g) the member’s safety and convenience;

(h) the amount of baggage or supplies that the member is required to transport; and

(i) any other factor that is immediately relevant to the duty travel requirement.


If the approving authority determines, given those factors, that the best method is for the method to take their own vehicle at the high-rate, then he *should* request the member to take their POMV and if the member agrees, there is *no* cost-comparison done as the member gets high-rate, the hotels, the meals, etc.

The approving authority does not have the option to ask the member to take their vehicle on a cost-comparison. The purpose of the cost-comparison is if the member decides to request to use their POMV *rather than* the method selected by the approving authority. However, that analysis needs to have been done first, because if the member *ought to have been asked to take his POMV* then he should never have had to make the decision to ask to take his vehicle and take a cost comparison.

Another nuanced point of contention, a cost-comparison is not in any way meant to calculate the most economical means. A cost-comparison is a tool to calculate an amount that a member is entitled to. That may sound like splitting hairs, but it’s not. For example, the cost comparison limits rentals to 2 days on either end but won’t allow you to include fees for returning it to a third location. It also doesn’t allow you to factor in GMT or other mechanisms that might be available to you. It is purely hypothetical for the purpose of calculating an amount to pay a member who has requested to take his vehicle and that’s it. It only comes into play *after* the mode of travel has been selected, and then the member subsequently asks to take their POMV instead.

And there was recently a letter sent out by the Commander Canadian Army to his L2 Comds, which references a letter from DCBA, which also reiterates what I've pointed out above.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #161 on: July 16, 2019, 18:59:33 »
A CO cannot order someone to use PMV but if someone agrees to using his/her PMV and the CoC agrees it is the “most practical and economical” mean?  I have done that before.

If they decide it's the best method given the circumstances outlined above, they request you to take it, and then if you agree to that request, you get the high-rate of mileage, meals, hotels (if req'd), etc. No cost-comparison.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #162 on: July 17, 2019, 11:44:15 »
That’s entirely incorrect and it’s a myth I’ve been trying to dispel for quite a while now. This is something that has been pushed by RMS Clerks (now HRAs and FSAs) / 1 type officers (Adjutants, G1 / A1 / N1 / J1 types, etc…. variously backgrounds depending on element) and has been absolutely poor advice to Commanders, causing us to screw members many times over.

We're actually saying the same thing (so I'm not incorrect). You just went into more detail.  "Most economical" is not the same as "cheapest."  Being economical includes all of the factors you mentioned.  Economy is not just about money.  It includes, efficiency, practicality, etc.  Unfortunately, you are correct that far too many folks (sadly in positions to approve this sort of thing) only consider actual dollar amounts vice all the other factors.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #163 on: July 17, 2019, 13:46:39 »
Very true that too often our RMS and now HRA/FSA along with many others continue to focus way too much on the dollars instead of factoring everything in.  While RSS it was not uncommon to have someone mention having a Class A Cpl drive a mbr to the task rather than paying the member PMV because it would be cheaper (their thought was no cost as the mbr wouldn't be claiming the mileage).  I would then do a cost comparison that included pay for the Cpl, gas for the vehicle, meals if applicable.  That usually quickly changed the picture of paying someone $50 to take their own vehicle. The odd occasion it didn't I would then bring up that someone had to find a Cpl to drive, considering recent record for random items this was a task in itself and how much were they paying for someone to go through the unit in an attempt to find someone.  If that didn't end it the final straw was that the unit was now paying at least $200 to save another unit $50.  Yep, the RC Manager for the course or task wasn't paying our driver and gas bill.

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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #164 on: July 17, 2019, 16:50:19 »
We're actually saying the same thing (so I'm not incorrect). You just went into more detail.  "Most economical" is not the same as "cheapest."  Being economical includes all of the factors you mentioned.  Economy is not just about money.  It includes, efficiency, practicality, etc.  Unfortunately, you are correct that far too many folks (sadly in positions to approve this sort of thing) only consider actual dollar amounts vice all the other factors.

You stated "The cost comparison is for the travel by POMV to and from the TD location.  That still has to be done." That is incorrect. I agree with your definition of economical (although most using that term are referring to cost only, and yes I assumed you were too since you are stating that a cost comparison must be done regardless), but that statement is incorrect, and particularly relevant. Doing that cost-comparison when it's not required can short the member money (particularly before the latest update to the cost comparison when it was limited to 500km each way), cost him/her annual leave, and a host of other benefits. If it is the most economical (using your definition... which I agree with but confuses a lot of people), there is no cost comparison required. The member gets the high-rate, all the travel days req'd, meals, accommodations, etc, the whole nine yards.

I actually don't believe it's the fault of the people approving these things. Well, not entirely. CO's have zero training on this and their only experience is getting their own claims done. If they are told, which they are by the many many many people who are supposed to be their expert advisors, that a cost comparison is required any time the member travels via POMV, then they sign it a cost-comparison and then the member gets whatever is dictated by the cost-comparison. Yes, the CO is responsible for everything but if every CO is making the same mistake, there's a bigger issue.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #165 on: July 17, 2019, 16:57:04 »
Very true that too often our RMS and now HRA/FSA along with many others continue to focus way too much on the dollars instead of factoring everything in.

That's what they've been trained to do. I explained the difference to my FSAs, showed them the analysis I wanted them to put into it before recommending a mode of travel, they got it and then moved forward with it and all was good. If every HRA / FSA is making this mistake across the CAF, it's the institution that's at fault.

*Note, this is all ignoring the fact that FSAs should not be initiating claims.

Rental vehicles shouldn't have a drop off fee if booked for DND business.

That may be true (wasn't tracking that) but is somewhat irrelevant to the point. I'll give a better example.... the task is 3 weeks long and there is nowhere to drop off the rental vehicle, so you'd keep it for the whole 3 weeks costing, say $1000..... the cost-comparison, as it is purely hypothetical, does not allow for that consideration. It's based on having a rental car for 2 days there and 2 days back, totaling to $200, even though that was never an actual option.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #166 on: July 17, 2019, 18:28:05 »
While RSS it was not uncommon to have someone mention having a Class A Cpl drive a mbr to the task rather than paying the member PMV because it would be cheaper (their thought was no cost as the mbr wouldn't be claiming the mileage).

The Reg Force does this as well, and it's also in many ways wrong. Yes, it is incrementally cheaper on your budget, but time is not free and that kind of thinking wastes valuable time. Just one Corporal's 8-10 hours day may not seem like a big waste of time, but multiply it across the entire force...
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #167 on: July 18, 2019, 10:41:53 »
You stated "The cost comparison is for the travel by POMV to and from the TD location.  That still has to be done." That is incorrect. I agree with your definition of economical (although most using that term are referring to cost only, and yes I assumed you were too since you are stating that a cost comparison must be done regardless), but that statement is incorrect, and particularly relevant. Doing that cost-comparison when it's not required can short the member money (particularly before the latest update to the cost comparison when it was limited to 500km each way), cost him/her annual leave, and a host of other benefits. If it is the most economical (using your definition... which I agree with but confuses a lot of people), there is no cost comparison required. The member gets the high-rate, all the travel days req'd, meals, accommodations, etc, the whole nine yards.

I actually don't believe it's the fault of the people approving these things. Well, not entirely. CO's have zero training on this and their only experience is getting their own claims done. If they are told, which they are by the many many many people who are supposed to be their expert advisors, that a cost comparison is required any time the member travels via POMV, then they sign it a cost-comparison and then the member gets whatever is dictated by the cost-comparison. Yes, the CO is responsible for everything but if every CO is making the same mistake, there's a bigger issue.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.  Although we both recognize that there are a number of factors involved in making the decision, the fact remains that cost is a factor.  It may only be one factor, but it is still a factor.  No member should ever be out of pocket for doing their job, but neither is it reasonable to expect the Crown to pay extra for a member's convenience or desire.  For a variety of reasons, commercial transportation can often be cheaper than POMV travel.  If that is the case, then if the member chooses POMV, their reimbursement should reasonably be limited to what the commercial transportation would have cost.  In fact, CANFORGEN 098/19 says exactly that:

2. AS PER REF B, WHEN A CAF MBR REQUESTS AND IS AUTHORIZED TO USE PMV RATHER THAN THE MORE ECONOMICAL AND PRACTICAL MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, THE MBR IS ENTITLED TO BE REIMBURSED THE LESSER OF:

A. THE HIGHER KILOMETRIC RATE FOR COMPLETE DIRECT ROAD DISTANCE TO AND FROM THE TD LOCATION, AND

B THE COST OF THE MORE ECONOMICAL AND PRACTICAL MODE OF TRANSPORTATION


Without doing the cost comparison, how are you going to know?
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #168 on: July 18, 2019, 15:57:10 »
Without doing the cost comparison, how are you going to know?

Because there is a difference between doing a cost comparison, and doing a "cost comparison". ;)

What I mean is this: it is make prudent financial and business sense to do up a rough cost comparison in order to determine what the relative costs of different modes of transportation. You takes those numbers and lumbs them in with all the other factors listed in the TDTIs, and decide upon the method of travel. In THIS process, there are no formal rules. You can do your cost comparison using an excel spreadsheet or a cocktail napkin. You can use google flights or HRG.

On the other hand, when an approving authority selects a method of travel that is NOT pomv, and the member elects to take pomv anyway, then there is an OFFICIAL "cost comparison" sheet that must be filled out. That sheet has particular rules surrounding it, and once it is filled out and signed, then it becomes "locked in" and the member can't receive anymore than what was included in the cost comparison worksheet.

So, if I'm supposed to be flying to Quebec city from Halifax for a conference, but I want to take some leave and drive there, my CoC might do up a "rough" cost comparison and see if driving is actually a suitable method of travel. They would not be using the cost comparison work sheet for this purpose. If, however, they determine that driving does not make sense (based on ALL the factors), and I want to drive anyway, then they would whip out the formal cost comparison work sheet, and I'd only be eligible to receive the amount calculated on that worksheet, no matter the actual costs.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #169 on: July 18, 2019, 16:47:29 »
Because there is a difference between doing a cost comparison, and doing a "cost comparison". ;)

What I mean is this: it is make prudent financial and business sense to do up a rough cost comparison in order to determine what the relative costs of different modes of transportation. You takes those numbers and lumbs them in with all the other factors listed in the TDTIs, and decide upon the method of travel. In THIS process, there are no formal rules. You can do your cost comparison using an excel spreadsheet or a cocktail napkin. You can use google flights or HRG.

On the other hand, when an approving authority selects a method of travel that is NOT pomv, and the member elects to take pomv anyway, then there is an OFFICIAL "cost comparison" sheet that must be filled out. That sheet has particular rules surrounding it, and once it is filled out and signed, then it becomes "locked in" and the member can't receive anymore than what was included in the cost comparison worksheet.

So, if I'm supposed to be flying to Quebec city from Halifax for a conference, but I want to take some leave and drive there, my CoC might do up a "rough" cost comparison and see if driving is actually a suitable method of travel. They would not be using the cost comparison work sheet for this purpose. If, however, they determine that driving does not make sense (based on ALL the factors), and I want to drive anyway, then they would whip out the formal cost comparison work sheet, and I'd only be eligible to receive the amount calculated on that worksheet, no matter the actual costs.

Except that there is no "official" cost comparison worksheet.  The one everybody uses was made up by somebody at DCBA (or they endorsed it).  Hence CANFORGEN 098/19, which essentially tells DCBA (again) to stop enforcing what they THINK should be policy, vice actual policy...
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #170 on: July 18, 2019, 18:12:19 »
So question on CANFORGEN 098/19; it lifts the 500 km limit, but the CFTDI still says you won't be expected to drive more than 500 km a day, and the annex you sign says you are on annual leave for the drive, and you are only reimbursed for the first day of travel.

Does that not still effectively limit the reimbursement to 500km each way?  Also, if the options are drive down in a rental vs drive down in a PMV, am I suddenly taking leave for the trip down if I take my PMV for anything after 500km?  I think it says the first day of travel and return is duty, which seems reasonable but not going to take a day of annual and split my travel into two days for a 560 km one way trip.

Think I will ditch my plan for taking a PMV and some in area leave after the trip, and just do it on my own time later.  CAF seems to excel at making straightforward things complicated.  Looks like I'll be taking the train down to Union Station in Toronto and driving from there.

Here's the excerpt from Annex A of the CFTDI;

2. I hereby acknowledge the reimbursement of the transportation and traveling expenses, in accordance with ref will be limited to the cost of the most economical and practical method of travel as per the cost comparison worksheet attached. I further understand that I will be permitted to travel by PMV on TD or Att Posting provided I have sufficient leave to enable this trip to be made safely. Utilizing the daily kilometrage maximum of one calendar day of paid leave for each 500 km traveled. The day of departure to the TD location and the first day of the return journey will be considered as duty. One additional day is required if the distance traveled on the last day is more than 150 km but less than 500 km.

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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #171 on: July 18, 2019, 19:13:32 »
The CFTDI doesn't actually set a limit of 500km. What I read is that in order to calculate how much leave you need to make the journey, each day is capped at 500km. I've made longer daily drives without issue.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #172 on: July 19, 2019, 10:12:08 »
Only the CAF could complicate something as simple as taking your own car vs a bus/plane/taxi. 

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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #173 on: July 19, 2019, 12:06:15 »
. One additional day is required if the distance traveled on the last day is more than 150 km but less than 500 km.



You get the full mileage or the approved MOT, which ever is cheaper on the cost comparison.  The limitation is that the unit cannot tell you to drive over 500 kms, you can choose to drive as far as you want.

For a trip of 560 km you don't need a leave pass.  Per the part you posted it has to exceed 650 kms before the leave becomes an issue.
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Re: PMV and Travel Limits While on TD
« Reply #174 on: July 19, 2019, 12:30:29 »
Because there is a difference between doing a cost comparison, and doing a "cost comparison".

Yes, which is why everybody needs to stop using the term "cost comparison" which refer to a specific, official, instrument with a specific purpose (which is ironically not for comparing costs... they could have saved a lot of BS by calling it "POMV (Member's Request) Amount Calculator" which is what it is). It bleeds into stuff because we start using the words "cost comparison" every time some kind of cost estimate needs to get done, such as SLTA for disembarkation leave, and then people start literally trying to calculate SLTA based on the CFTDTI cost comparison sheet.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.  Although we both recognize that there are a number of factors involved in making the decision, the fact remains that cost is a factor.  It may only be one factor, but it is still a factor.  No member should ever be out of pocket for doing their job, but neither is it reasonable to expect the Crown to pay extra for a member's convenience or desire.  For a variety of reasons, commercial transportation can often be cheaper than POMV travel.  If that is the case, then if the member chooses POMV, their reimbursement should reasonably be limited to what the commercial transportation would have cost.  In fact, CANFORGEN 098/19 says exactly that:

2. AS PER REF B, WHEN A CAF MBR REQUESTS AND IS AUTHORIZED TO USE PMV RATHER THAN THE MORE ECONOMICAL AND PRACTICAL MODE OF TRANSPORTATION, THE MBR IS ENTITLED TO BE REIMBURSED THE LESSER OF:

A. THE HIGHER KILOMETRIC RATE FOR COMPLETE DIRECT ROAD DISTANCE TO AND FROM THE TD LOCATION, AND

B THE COST OF THE MORE ECONOMICAL AND PRACTICAL MODE OF TRANSPORTATION


Without doing the cost comparison, how are you going to know?

You've made the mistake I stated earlier, skipping the analysis and determining whether or not the member should be requested to take their POMV as the bet mode of travel. You are citing from "POMV (Member Requests" automatically because a POMV is involved, without realizing there are two different POMV options. One is requesting the member to take it, the other is the member requesting to take it. They are administered differently and the benefits are different. The former does NOT require a cost comparison because you've already done the analysis (including costs) and determined it was the best method, the latter requires the cost comparison because you determined something else was better but the member wants to take their POMV anyway.

See attached flow chart.

Except that there is no "official" cost comparison worksheet.  The one everybody uses was made up by somebody at DCBA (or they endorsed it).  Hence CANFORGEN 098/19, which essentially tells DCBA (again) to stop enforcing what they THINK should be policy, vice actual policy...

Yes there is. IAW CFTDTIs, the TB authorizes the CDS to determine a method in which the member can waive their benefits (transportation, meals, accommodations, etc.) and travel via POMV at their request instead. CDS delegated that to DGCB and the method they determined was the official cost comparison sheet. The grievance was won because DCBA *modified* the official cost-comparison *without the authority to do so* when they imposed the 500km limit in each direction.

Ref CFTDTI 7.41 para 3
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3.(Cost Comparison) The cost comparison required under paragraph 7.40(2)(a)(ii) shall be calculated in a manner determined by and on a form issued by the DGCB.

Note. Para 7.40(2)(a)(ii) is when a member requests to use their POMV.... it is *not* when a member is requested to use their POMV.
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