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I can point you in the right direction.... for a modest consideration.

Sure.... as long as you use a laser pointer :)
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Sure.... as long as you use a laser pointer :)

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Israeli company plasan has come out with a new light armoured ambulance as part of its sandcat family. Never heard of NGVA till now, I am assuming it's some new attempt at standardizing aspects of NATO vehicle families. Perhaps a contender to replace the LSVW.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/plasan_adds_ambulance_variant_to_its_sandcat_4x4_armored_vehicle_family.html
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While I'm not an automotive expert of any sort  I suspect my Provincial Highway Department is  or at least was.
Here in Manitoba a group of provincial mechanics  got their hands on a LSVW for a couple of hours and examined it .To  put it mildly they were not impressed .
The story goes that they produced a four page list of defects that had to be fixed before they would even think , think of allowing it on any road in the province. Assuming of course that it was a civilian vehicle .
I would love to read that report.

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. . . Never heard of NGVA till now, I am assuming it's some new attempt at standardizing aspects of NATO vehicle families. Perhaps a contender to replace the LSVW.


https://www.natogva.org/

NATO GENERIC VEHICLE ARCHITECTURE

NGVA is a NATO Standardisation Agreement  (STANAG 4754) based on open standards to design and integrate multiple electronic sub-systems onto military vehicles which are controllable from a multifunction crew display and control unit.
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While I'm not an automotive expert of any sort  I suspect my Provincial Highway Department is  or at least was.
Here in Manitoba a group of provincial mechanics  got their hands on a LSVW for a couple of hours and examined it .To  put it mildly they were not impressed .
The story goes that they produced a four page list of defects that had to be fixed before they would even think , think of allowing it on any road in the province. Assuming of course that it was a civilian vehicle .

Hmm you mean the same experts that allow modern cars onto the roads with turn signals that can't be seen by other drivers in the daylight, cars that can do double the speed limit and have no rearward visibility?

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Thales Canada took this past winter to do winter trails of their Hawkei around Ottawa and Pet apparently. Thales says they will be offering the Hawkei for both the LUV and LFE projects, the LUV will go to tender late spring of this year. Can honestly say it looks better then a G-wagon or a Milverado.

https://canadianarmytoday.com/a-cold-weather-test/?fbclid=IwAR3Yux3Eq79fS61zpPV5EeP5sEGBQza4Y9Hu_xAG5f4miaL2IuZtBVD_Kh0
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Thales Canada took this past winter to do winter trails of their Hawkei around Ottawa and Pet apparently. Thales says they will be offering the Hawkei for both the LUV and LFE projects, the LUV will go to tender late spring of this year. Can honestly say it looks better then a G-wagon or a Milverado.

https://canadianarmytoday.com/a-cold-weather-test/?fbclid=IwAR3Yux3Eq79fS61zpPV5EeP5sEGBQza4Y9Hu_xAG5f4miaL2IuZtBVD_Kh0

Just heard of this project, 2500 vehicles is a lot. Makes for an interesting read. What's the timeline for this project?

Hopefully we don't pay what the Australians did...

Coalition suppressed auditor's finding that $1.3bn Thales arms deal could have cost half with US
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/22/coalition-suppressed-auditors-finding-that-13bn-thales-arms-deal-could-have-cost-half-with-us

Bendigo Hawkei build schedule under threat from delays, reliability issues
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Just heard of this project, 2500 vehicles is a lot. Makes for an interesting read. What's the timeline for this project?

Well we needed the vehicles 10 years ago, so we'll get them 10 years from now.

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Just heard of this project, 2500 vehicles is a lot. Makes for an interesting read. What's the timeline for this project?

Hopefully we don't pay what the Australians did...

Coalition suppressed auditor's finding that $1.3bn Thales arms deal could have cost half with US
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/22/coalition-suppressed-auditors-finding-that-13bn-thales-arms-deal-could-have-cost-half-with-us

Bendigo Hawkei build schedule under threat from delays, reliability issues

Well that's what we normally pay anyway! Seriously though with issues like that, likely another company will win, be interesting to see who else bids.
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Have them licence built here with minimal Canadization so we can get parts later when the plant shuts down.

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Well that's what we normally pay anyway! Seriously though with issues like that, likely another company will win, be interesting to see who else bids.

The program has moved on from the development phase.  The first LRIP vehicles were recently delivered to the ADF in April this year.  Thales bought out Steyr so the latter's financial troubles are now irrelevant in terms of supply of engines.

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End of an Era, today 1 CMBG announced on Facebook they are beginning the divestment of the remaining MLVW's from service.
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Well we needed the vehicles 10 years ago, so we'll get them 10 years from now.

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End of an Era, today 1 CMBG announced on Facebook they are beginning the divestment of the remaining MLVW's from service.

Watched a running ML towbar a non running ML to the divestment area.

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This morning CAF announced via social media the intention via draft RFP to replace our light and heavy logistics fleets. Good bye LSVW......eventually


https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/app-acq/amd-dp/pdmdvl-lvmp-eng.html?fbclid=IwAR1DporjqDLZaxPlS03r68MmjXrF-ySWHrG9t91BijDbhOQTtEAKHES4n8g
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Its a draft RFP, not even the real RFP. I'll be a CWO or long retired before the LSVW gets replaced.

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This morning CAF announced via social media the intention via draft RFP to replace our light and heavy logistics fleets. Good bye LSVW......eventually


https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/app-acq/amd-dp/pdmdvl-lvmp-eng.html?fbclid=IwAR1DporjqDLZaxPlS03r68MmjXrF-ySWHrG9t91BijDbhOQTtEAKHES4n8g
From the link:
As a result of the Invitation to Qualify (ITQ) process, Canada established a list of qualified suppliers who have demonstrated the technical ability to develop and propose solutions for the project.

Daimler AG
General Dynamics Land Systems – Canada Corporation and General Dynamics Land Systems, Incorporated
Iveco Defence Vehicles S.p.A.
Mack Defense LLC (with ARQUUS)
Navistar Defense LLC
Oshkosh Defense Canada Incorporated and Oshkosh Defense, LLC
Rheinmetall Canada Inc. and Rheinmetall MAN Military Vehicles GmbH
Only these suppliers will be invited to participate in the next phases of engagement to review and refine the procurement requirements and to submit bids in response to the RFP.

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The project to replace the MSVW is complete, right??  Trucks delivered.

This is for LUVW specifically? 
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The project to replace the MSVW is complete, right??  Trucks delivered.

This is for LUVW specifically?

logistics fleet, so LSVW, HLVW and engineering equipment is my understanding.

Replacement of the LUVW both milcot and G wagon are a separate project.
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logistics fleet, so LSVW, HLVW and engineering equipment is my understanding.

Replacement of the LUVW both milcot and G wagon are a separate project.

So the LSVW and HLVW will be from the same manufacturer? Wikipedia has the LSVW at 1333 of the original 2879 and the HLVW at 591 of the original 1212, I wonder what the replacement numbers will be?



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So the LSVW and HLVW will be from the same manufacturer? Wikipedia has the LSVW at 1333 of the original 2879 and the HLVW at 591 of the original 1212, I wonder what the replacement numbers will be?

Hopefully several thousand of each, logistics fleets you can't always do more with less, because you can't be in two places at once. And on a DP you can't have multiple stores in one vehicle. Ammo, food, POL, salvage, etc.. all has to have its own truck. Plus you need all the varients as well, plus trailers.
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Hopefully several thousand of each, logistics fleets you can't always do more with less, because you can't be in two places at once. And on a DP you can't have multiple stores in one vehicle. Ammo, food, POL, salvage, etc.. all has to have its own truck. Plus you need all the varients as well, plus trailers.

What do you think the difference is between the HLVW replacement and the MSVS-SMP will be? The MSVS-SMP is already an 8x8, correct? So what can you do go 10x10 or duals?

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What do you think the difference is between the HLVW replacement and the MSVS-SMP will be? The MSVS-SMP is already an 8x8, correct? So what can you do go 10x10 or duals?

Its not about wheels, its tonnage and capacity, given the upsizing of vehicles the HL replacement will likely be in the 12 to 16 ton range. Likely with a crane and a large cargo capacity.
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Its not about wheels, its tonnage and capacity, given the upsizing of vehicles the HL replacement will likely be in the 12 to 16 ton range. Likely with a crane and a large cargo capacity.

But how do you get the capacity without adding another axle or wheels?