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Title: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Duotone81 on April 25, 2004, 01:52:00
Hi Koach,

I have question that I hope you can answer. How exactly does the UTP-NCM plan work? Is the number of slots available through this plan determined by openings in the Officer Corps that weren't filled by DEO and ROTP or are ROTP and UTP-NCM both looked at equally for admission to RMC? Would you just need to be trade qualified, have the necessary academic background and leadership potential to apply for the program or are their any other requirements needed for consideration?

Thanks for your time.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Michael O'Leary on April 25, 2004, 02:22:00
Nick, you may already have this reference, but I will post the link anyway for the benefit of others who may be interested:

 CFAO 9-13 -- UNIVERSITY TRAINING PLAN -- NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS (http://www.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/009-13_e.asp)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Duotone81 on April 25, 2004, 02:25:00
That‘s exactly what I was looking for.

Thanks a lot sir.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: koach on April 25, 2004, 02:29:00
I am not the best person to answer this question but the following link may answer your second question:
  http://www.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/009-13_e.asp

Both ROTP and UTPNCM are very competitive and I think that applicants to either plan would be looked at equally.  I would recommend that you contact your closest Red and White coordinator under ‘contact us‘ on the following link for more information:

 http://www.rmcclub.ca/www/rawp/rawp_e.html
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Duotone81 on April 25, 2004, 02:56:00
Thanks for the Red and White contact info Koach.

I‘ll make use of that resource Monday morning and post any info not already mentioned in CFAO 9-13.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: recce pigeon on January 15, 2005, 23:18:32
I've spent a great deal of time and energy researching RMC and after applying and getting rejected I thought that ship had sailed. However I was reading these forums and saw someone mention something about ROTP through a civilian university.

I was wondering if anyone had any information or could point me towards some information regarding such a topic.

Pte. Cote
Seaforth Highlanders
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BernDawg on January 15, 2005, 23:35:16
I don't know about ROTP but a friend of mine (more than one really) has gone UTPNCM  (University Training Plan Non Commissioned Member)  It is avail in the regs I don't know about the reserves.  Maybe something to look into.
Does you unit have a PSO?  If so check with them.  They should have all the answers.
Good luck.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Big Foot on January 15, 2005, 23:49:14
Cote, just because you got turned down from RMC once doesn't mean you will never get in. Keep at it. Besides, I believe the way it works is you apply to the ROTP program and if you have been selected to a civilian university, they may place you there or send you to RMC. At any rate, it's worth another shot to apply again.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: snowy owl on January 24, 2005, 16:52:41
I'm doing ROTP right now at a civilian university because I'm a nurse and they don't have that at RMC...anyway I know you can do other trades and still go to civvy u. Basically I just filled out the ROTP forms from the recruiter's office(i dont know if they are different than ones for RMC) and had to be in the process of applying to a university to start the interviews and all that. You need the actual acceptance sheets from the university to be sworn in though. Hope this helps you a bit.

Cheers
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Feral on January 31, 2005, 00:38:01
I was a reservist with the airfield engineering flight in Abbotsford until this summer, when I went ROTP to the University of Victoria. Everyone seems to think that it's harder to get into civvie U, but while there are several hundred students at RMC, my subsidized education manager, who deals with everything west of Onterrible, deals with at least a few hundred students herself. That's just the four western provinces. So don't despair, apply again, and keep in mind that in the reserves you are eligible for reimbursement of university tuition up to a certain amount once you've served a few years. There are lots of options, you should be able to get more info through your CC though, especially concerning the local info. One negative point though is that your pay drops. As Reg F, you have right to pay, and they can't drop you. As a reservist, there is no UTPNCM and you'll go down to OCdt pay for the duration of school. On the other hand, CFHA can't charge you more than 25% of your gross so I pay less for my PMQ than I would pay for res at university. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.


Chimo!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Feral on July 07, 2005, 11:57:05
As a civvie U student, I was under the impression that as long as I took the courses that were required for my degree, I would be left alone, unfortunately, it seems, I was wrong. I have been told that I am allowed to take the MINIMUM courses required to get my degree, and anything else after that I am required to pay for.

A question to the RMC students out there: If you are in a specific degree program, say, Chemistry, and you want to take an extra course in Psychology, would you have to pay for it out of your own pocket? Or if you were in Business Administration, and you wanted to take a course in Political Science?

Also, to any ROTPs or UTs in civvie U, have you run into this problem?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tree hugger on July 07, 2005, 15:32:18
I remember hearing that when I was in school.  I dropped a required course and was just going to take in the next semester.  The my SEM got all piddled at me when she found out and said that I would have to pay for the course on my own.  This didn't make sence to me since school costs the same whether you take 4 or 5 courses a semester.  I didn't end up paying for it there really was no way to do so.  Also most degrees give you the flexibility to take courses that aren't degree specific.  e.g.  In a science program the may say you need 6 credit hours in humanities...

My advice, take what you want ensuring that you are progressing steadily through your program and make sure you pass all your courses especially the required courses. 

BTW I was Civi U.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Horse_Soldier on July 07, 2005, 15:48:10
As a civvie U student, I was under the impression that as long as I took the courses that were required for my degree, I would be left alone, unfortunately, it seems, I was wrong. I have been told that I am allowed to take the MINIMUM courses required to get my degree, and anything else after that I am required to pay for.

A question to the RMC students out there: If you are in a specific degree program, say, Chemistry, and you want to take an extra course in Psychology, would you have to pay for it out of your own pocket? Or if you were in Business Administration, and you wanted to take a course in Political Science?

Also, to any ROTPs or UTs in civvie U, have you run into this problem?

My days at Military College are long away, but when I went through, there was very little flexibility.  A specific stream (Admin, for example) would force you to take a core set of classes with, in the higher years, one optional per semester, which usually came down to choosing between two course offerings, such as say Economic History or Advanced Accouting.  Your schedule was filled up with the mandatories such that you didn't have time to take an additional course - at least in my stream.  But if there was time and some bright spark wanted to take an additional course, he/she would not have had to pay out of pocket.  When you're at RMC, the tuition is all inclusive, repayable via 4 years of obligatory service after graduation.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Feral on July 07, 2005, 16:59:35
Thanks for the info so far.. It pisses me off though that I might have to pay for a course on my own, while I was told (when recruited) that I could take whatever I wanted as long as I ended up with my specified degree at the end of it all. Granted, I don't have a lot of time to take extra courses, but if I want to take a special interest course, then it should be my business. Anyone who is currently in RMC or civvie U have an opinion?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on July 07, 2005, 17:12:06
Damn I think you should get a hold of the Ombudsmans office ASAP.  You are being prevented from fulfilling your educational dreams and who gives a crap who is paying for it and that you are also getting a salary to do nothing but go to school for eight months a year.  My God the injustice of it all.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Feral on July 07, 2005, 17:34:09
Well gee, thanks a lot! I'm glad to see that there are still individuals out there who are willing to be helpful! It's so refreshing to hear from people who have good advice to give, and are willing to hand it out FREE OF CHARGE! Maybe you should get a job consulting, bring in some extra bucks for yourself on the weekend!  :salute:

Back to the topic at hand, why is it a big deal if I want to take an extra course to better myself? The CF is full of programs for it, and since I'm in school already, what is the harm? RMC students take extra courses like psychology and Canadian history because it produces more well-rounded officers, then what is the problem with someone at at civilian university doing the same with one of their electives?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Spinaker on July 07, 2005, 17:40:47
As a recent RMC grad I have some insight into the subject.  First of all at RMC if you have the time and the desire you can take additional courses which are not strictly required for your degree at no cost.  Before you cry foul remember that the profs at RMC are paid to teach a certain set of courses, as far as I know the number of students doesn't factor into it.  As such, it costs the taxpayer nothing if an RMC student chooses to take an extra course.  Clearly this isn't the case at civvie U.  Maybe you think thats unfair.  On the other hand I doubt you have inspections or parades or morning PT.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Feral on July 07, 2005, 17:47:19
It has nothing to do with being unfair. The way I see it, at RMC you have a heavy courseload because you have extra required courses, correct? I am taking a physics degree, and in my first semester of my second year, I only have 4 courses out of a max of 6. I just want to be able to fill those elective spots up with other courses. For instance, I am taking one third year physics course this semester so that brings my courseload up to 5 (I have the prerequisites for the course in question). That still leaves me one course. I'd love to fill it with other physics courses from the 3/4th year electives, but I don't have the prerequisites. Instead, I'd just like to be able to take a history course or something along those lines (no, not basket weaving).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Spinaker on July 07, 2005, 18:07:04
The fact remains that for you to take an additional course incurs an additional cost to the government while at RMC it does not.  Essentially you are expecting the government to fund your personal interest in history etc. which they are somewhat unsurprisingly reluctant to do.  It is true that at RMC our schedules do include certain courses which would not me included in a civvie U program, ie. engineers taking history/psych courses, this is a part of the RMC curriculum and not that of your faculty and is therefore required at RMC and not civvie U, it shouldn't be surprising that the two institutions have different QS.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Feral on July 07, 2005, 18:22:55
I guess you have no idea how much money is wasted in other parts of the military, different courses just being one of the ways. How else can you explain my participation in a First Aid course twice in a year, even though I wasn't expired yet, just because there were spots available? That is a waste of money, I will agree, but my argument is that if I have the spot, then use it. If I have 4 courses, and I talk to someone from RMC, I'll hear the old "At RMC we have a really heavy courseload, it's so hard with the inspections and extra PT blah blah blah". I picked civvie U because I want a good education, and I want to be able to concentrate on studying and my grades, not on how my uniform looks in next week's inspection. I can get a better education by getting a more well-rounded education. Isn't that why we do OPMEs? Maybe I am "personally interested" in history, or maybe it's "my opinion" that a little psychology helps in the leadership department, but as long as I am taking a course that benefits the CF, what is the problem?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on July 07, 2005, 19:07:43
Here you go:

http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/complaints/main_e.asp
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Spinaker on July 07, 2005, 20:20:25
I'm fully aware that the military is hardly an example of fiscal responsibility.  Also, I'm certainly not trying to tell you that the workload at RMC is excessive, I graduated with a mechanical engineering degree and I still had more free time than I knew what to do with so anyone who tries that line on you is, in my opinion, full of it.  Eventually all I can tell you is why I believe the policy on out-of-stream courses at civvie U is in place.  In the end if you strongly disagree with the policy the only thing you can do is take kincanuks advice and take your complaint higher.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Feral on July 08, 2005, 11:43:18
Well my initial inquiry was more for general information to find out what the official policy is. I've found in the last year that what I was told at the recruiting centre when I was signing up and what the real regs are are not always one and the same. If I have to pay for a course that interests me myself, so be it, it isn't so important to me that I would take it upstairs. It can be quite frustrating however to find out that what you've been told by someone when you were recruited isn't true, especially when it has happened several times in the last year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tree hugger on July 09, 2005, 14:39:06
The fact remains that for you to take an additional course incurs an additional cost to the government while at RMC it does not.  

How?  Try to go in and pay for that "extra course".  It is impossible.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Spinaker on July 10, 2005, 13:58:12
Sorry I should have been more clear there.  What I should have said is "If you were to take an additional course at civvie U it would incur an additional cost."
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tree hugger on July 10, 2005, 16:28:45
I understood you.  My post remains...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Spinaker on July 10, 2005, 18:16:30
In that case perhaps I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.  Are you saying that it is not possible to take an additional course at your own expense?  I think we've allready established that current policy precludes civvie U candidates from taking out of stream courses on the military's dime and that if they disagree with the policy their only recourse seems to be through the ombudsman's office.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tree hugger on July 10, 2005, 20:20:44
If you are attending a civilian university, full time is usually at least 4 courses per semester.  There is a flat rate for full time tuition.  Whether you are taking four or five courses in a semester, you are still full time.  Most programs do have an upper limit as to how many credit hours you can have per semester however, it is generally in the hands of the student to determine how many courses you will take.  It is impossible to be a full time student and then pay extra to be a part time student.
When you're a part-time student you do "pay by the course", however, that's not how it works for a full timer.
Don't believe me?  Try to pay for that fifth course.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DVessey on July 11, 2005, 10:45:12
I'm not sure how OPME's work for everyone else(ie/ civi U ROTP, DEO), whether you HAVE to take the RMC courses by correspondence. If the course description is close enough to an OPME, you might have better luck taking it at your university.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Feral on July 11, 2005, 11:56:56
See at my university, I pay by the course, and it was the same way when I was at college a few years ago. I can't speak for all schools but that's two that go by the course. What if your program requires you to register in 5 courses per semester, and you have taken all the required courses and all the recommended courses that you can fit into your timetable, but you still have an empty slot? Are you required to pay for a course that is outside your area of study even though it's required to maintain your standing in the program?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACS_Tech on August 28, 2005, 16:56:59
Hopefully I can get some input from some RMC and civie U UTs.  I'm a prospective UT and I was wondering what the chances are of getting into a civie U vs. RMC.  I plan on applying for AERE or CELE and would like to take Aero Eng, Software Eng or Comp Sci.  I'd prefer not to do RMC because, although I understand UTs don't have to do all the same stuff as ROTP cadets, the courseload is still apparently high.  Aside from that, I feel that I'd be a more successful student at a civilian university. I don't have anything against RMC, mind you.

I'm not headstrong by any means, nor do I buy into the "ringknocker" mentality.  I want to be able to use as much of my time as possible for studying, if I go.  I also have some personal issues (sick wife) that I think might be a little harder to deal with at RMC.

I've casually brought it up with the PSO, but she gets all defensive and says "what's wrong with RMC?"  I don't want to get on her bad side!  If I was offered only RMC (I assume they only offer you one choice) I would take it, it just isn't my personal preference.  Are there any options or ways to better my chances for getting a civie U vs. RMC (for my MOC and degree choices)?  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Ersman on August 28, 2005, 22:20:17
I heard a while back that it was possible to goto university (such as UWO, Carlton or U of T) and do the 4 year degree and then go into the military for 4 years afterwards and have the military pay for University.
I'm not exactly sure if this is how it goes or if this is at all how it is, but I was just wondering if anyone could clarify how one would be able to do university without having to pay and then serving in the military?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on August 28, 2005, 22:26:21
Go to your School Guidance Councillor and ask for information on ROTP (Regular Officer Training Plan).  Then you can check at a Canadian Forces Recruiting Centre for information on ROTP.  They should be able to give you all the up to date information on CF University Education Programs that you need.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MC on August 29, 2005, 12:11:06
The only people I've seen on ROTP that weren't going to RMC are those who have already begun their degree and those who study in fields not offered at Kingston. I'm not sure if its actually possible otherwise.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Meridian on September 09, 2005, 00:44:25
It definitely is possible, its just not the military's preferred choice.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Glorified Ape on September 09, 2005, 17:35:46
What about this: You only need 7 classes in your final year but you have to take 8/year to be considered full time (4 per semester). So you sign up for 8 classes (an extra elective over what's needed to graduate). The ROTP regs say you can't be part time, you have to be full time but from what I hear here, you can't take superfluous courses. That being said, it would cost more to take 3 classes as a part-timer than 4 classes as a full timer since they charge you more per course if you're part-time.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Meridian on September 10, 2005, 19:41:48
Piper:

Thats because they keep the RMC kids together, generally. *Sigh*.

The military's preferred choice is to have you attend RMC, where  you get the total experience. ROTP Civy U and ROTP RMC is NOT the same, just as JROTC and Westpoint/Annapolis/etc are not the same experiences.  In fact, I tend to think JROTC is a better experience than ROTP Civy U.

That said, Civy U ROTP is an excellent option for those who want to stay home/get their degree from a university that has a better reputation for that program, etc.

From what I understand, was told by staff, and saw on courses, Civy U had significant enrollment, but is generally only filled by upper year students (You have to start as a freshman at RMC on the cadet wing) or by those who are taking degrees in programs not offered by RMC. im sure there are a few exceptions where RMC does not have the room, but the CF needs the projected intake numbers.


Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dirt Digger on September 11, 2005, 01:00:03
I don't know about 4 and 4 back-to-back, if that's your meaning.  I do know that you can do 4 years at a civvie U, apply for an Officer trade, then have the military pay for a trade-specific Post Grad degree down the line.  A yearly message comes out that lists all of the PGs and the trades that are eligible to apply for them.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Meridian on September 11, 2005, 14:46:01
DD:

Is it usually only open to specialist trades? Basically my question is, do the pointy end folks get opportunities to get post-grads at all? Perhaps in War History, or Strategic Studies?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on September 11, 2005, 14:50:24
...Basically my question is, do the pointy end folks get opportunities to get post-grads at all? Perhaps in War History, or Strategic Studies?

Yes... They do...you'll have to visit the BPSO (and go through your C of C) to do this.  Many current officers have done so already.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Meridian on September 11, 2005, 14:56:00
Treehugger:

Careful on your statements.

AT least at Concordia here in Montreal, there is NOT a flat fee for full time tuition, like there is in Ontario (at least Ottawa schools). You pay per credit here, whether its 3 or under or 4 or 5. There is no "discount" or free 5th class like there is in Ontario.

You are correct that at least for most Financial Aid offices, "Full time" is a minimum of 4 courses per semester. Anything less is part time.  Anything more than 5 is an overload and usually requires justification. (Depends on school).

When you say "courses other than those required", I am assuming you mean "Credits extra to the degree", rather than "free electives" correct?
TO be honest, under any program, I cant see how you didnt have enough free electives to be able to take a psych course. Every program ive seen out there in all disciplines ALWAYS has some sort of electives/general ed opportunities, at least in the public universities.   RMC itself forces this requirement through taking arts (when you are in science) or science (when youare in arts) courses.  It gives you a more well balanced degree.

If you are asking why the military will only pay for the 120 credits for your degree (or 90, 0r whatever the number is), it is because the military requires degreed officers, not degreed officers plus a bunch of credits.  IF anything, it shows poor planning on your own part to find courses that would fit your program and your interests... if you are at Civvy U, you already have the benefit of having chosen a school, program and specialization, and any minors.  RMC does not have the same variety at all.

Furthermore, the military will even pay for honours degrees, which in the case of most schools in Ontario means 4 years versus a 3 year undergrad (I know engineering and some other programs are different).

Id have to say they are being pretty giving here. If you wanna go take yoga lessons or something, are you asking the military to pay for that too?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Adam_18 on September 22, 2005, 20:12:27

  i am planning on attending university and becoming an officer in the army, what i was wondering was in the ROTP civilian university do they have any say on which university you go to and what you take or could i apply for say university of ontario criminology and still be within the ROTP i wasnt sure if their were any limitiations on that kind of thing. also with the ROTP while in civi university how often do you train are you like a reservist?
i plan to talk to my guidence counsoler and a recruiter so if anyone tells me to go talk to a recruiter i am, but i was just curious and wanted a little information before i went

thanks
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on September 22, 2005, 20:21:28
You can go to any recognized Canadian university as long as you are studying a degree programme that is compatible to the officer occupation for which you are applying for and that information can be obtained from your local CFRC/D.  Basically you attend university for 8 months and then you train for the rest.  Therefore, go talk to a recruiter.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Adam_18 on September 24, 2005, 01:03:47

 i plan to, so that means i could go and get a degree in criminology and be an officer in the infantry or armoured corps?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on September 24, 2005, 01:35:57
i plan to, so that means i could go and get a degree in criminology and be an officer in the infantry or armoured corps?

Yes you can.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: jwsteele on November 24, 2005, 21:09:34
Seeing your MOC and degree plus the fact that you're UTPNCM RMC is most likely what you would be offered.  I don't know entirely how they select between civi u and RMC but from my experience at IAP training, most of the OCdt's that were in that MOC and all of the UTPNCM's were going to RMC.  I am ROTP civi u and they let me stay because I already had one year in and didn't want to interfere with my education.  Civi u is good but I guarantee you might get a little bit bored.  Unless you have an incredibly demanding schedule with tough courses, be prepared to have alot of free time on your hands...like alot of free time.  I kind of wish I was at RMC because I know I wouldn't be bored all the time and they offer lots of cool stuff to do.  That's all I can really tell you.  If you really want civi u, push for it.  I haven't been in long but I've realized that being pushy is sometimes the only way to get things happening.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Strike on November 25, 2005, 21:38:24
Another plus on the RMC side vs civie u (based on reports from friends in the same degree progam that went to Queens) is the class size.  Your biggest classes will be in first year and then will gradually peter down.  I was chem Eng and my degree related classes varied from 9-18 people.  I think the Mech Eng guys were the biggest with about 60-70.  Civil Eng was also a very small class.

It means that the profs actually know who you are and you get a better chance for one-on-one should you need it.  It also means better access to the people working on their masters/PhDs who will sometimes be helping out with your projects.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Scants on November 26, 2005, 21:23:00
The easiest thing to do is check the "No" box on your application that asks if you are willing to attend RMC.  If your PSO gets a knot in her face because you don't want to go to RMC, so what. I would assume that RMC is "her" school and she would believe RMC to be the road to success. Hmmm... Gen Hillier, CDS (Memorial U); LGen Caron, CLS (U of Ottawa); VAdm Buck, VCDS (McGill); LGen Dumais, DCDS (McGill); VAdm MacLean, CMS (Dalhousie), etc, etc.  The best school in the world will be the one attended by the person you are talking to.  Pop quiz: what is the best trade in the CF? I know you said your trade and not mine (even though mine is the best).
About getting on her bad side; the 1st thing the BPSO explained to me in my interview is that his input only counted for a small part of the whole process and he could say "no" but the board could still accept me. He was quite aware of the fact that most people think the process stops or continues on his call but was quick to point out that was false.  Who would a board more closely listen to: a CO who has known you (directly or through his subordinates), or a person who talked to you for a couple of hours? I was surprised that he told me this straight off because the PSO that worked for him gave the impression that the sun set or rose on direct order from their office.
They have no problems leaving you in a civvie u: they don't have to pay for your posting, you are not eating the CF's food, you aren't wearing out their uniforms, etc.
Civi u is good but I guarantee you might get a little bit bored.   Unless you have an incredibly demanding schedule with tough courses, be prepared to have alot of free time on your hands...like alot of free time.  
If you are bored: study or go to the gym.
  I haven't been in long but I've realized that being pushy is sometimes the only way to get things happening.
A hint that could help during your career: "pushy" gets you hated and screwed around. The idea is to recognize a problem, bring it to the attention of those that can fix it, and most importantly provide a solution.
It means that the profs actually know who you are and you get a better chance for one-on-one should you need it.  
I have found the easiest way to get help from the prof is to go and ask for it. I have yet to be turned down for assistance by a prof. I have found that they enjoy when a student talks to them one-on-one. Too many of the students I have met are intimidated or nervous to talk to profs and they only hurt themselves. Once I had mentioned to a prof that I would be missing a few days because one of my boys was sick and he insisted I drop by and he would photocopy his notes for me.  When talking to profs (or higher ups for that matter) talk to them like you would anyone else, after all they are just people.
Good luck,
Scants
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: chaos75 on November 27, 2005, 00:40:47
As a follow on to what Scants said, he is right.  Your CO has the biggest part to play in your ranking with the selection board.  When applying for the program ask only for what you want, and do not put down choices, including schools, that you dont really want.  If you dont get what you want, wait till next year and improve your application.  However, if you are accepted and turn it down becasue it was not the right school, or was the third choice you really didnt want but put down anyways, dont be surprised if you do not get another offer.  If you make your reasons clear on your application, as to personal reasons/family issues why you want to attend Civ U, there is a good chance youll get it.  There is a alot more UT civ u than there is RMC UT's.  Anyways two cents from an ex RMC UT.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Tracker 23A on November 27, 2005, 00:57:04
The easiest thing to do is check the "No" box on your application that asks if you are willing to attend RMC.   If your PSO gets a knot in her face because you don't want to go to RMC, so what. I would assume that RMC is "her" school and she would believe RMC to be the road to success. Hmmm... Gen Hillier, CDS (Memorial U); LGen Caron, CLS (U of Ottawa); VAdm Buck, VCDS (McGill); LGen Dumais, DCDS (McGill); VAdm MacLean, CMS (Dalhousie), etc, etc.   The best school in the world will be the one attended by the person you are talking to.   Pop quiz: what is the best trade in the CF? I know you said your trade and not mine (even though mine is the best).
About getting on her bad side; the 1st thing the BPSO explained to me in my interview is that his input only counted for a small part of the whole process and he could say "no" but the board could still accept me. He was quite aware of the fact that most people think the process stops or continues on his call but was quick to point out that was false.   Who would a board more closely listen to: a CO who has known you (directly or through his subordinates), or a person who talked to you for a couple of hours? I was surprised that he told me this straight off because the PSO that worked for him gave the impression that the sun set or rose on direct order from their office.
They have no problems leaving you in a civvie u: they don't have to pay for your posting, you are not eating the CF's food, you aren't wearing out their uniforms, etc. If you are bored: study or go to the gym. A hint that could help during your career: "pushy" gets you hated and screwed around. The idea is to recognize a problem, bring it to the attention of those that can fix it, and most importantly provide a solution.I have found the easiest way to get help from the prof is to go and ask for it. I have yet to be turned down for assistance by a prof. I have found that they enjoy when a student talks to them one-on-one. Too many of the students I have met are intimidated or nervous to talk to profs and they only hurt themselves. Once I had mentioned to a prof that I would be missing a few days because one of my boys was sick and he insisted I drop by and he would photocopy his notes for me.   When talking to profs (or higher ups for that matter) talk to them like you would anyone else, after all they are just people.
Good luck,
Scants


Scants Rocks!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SweetNavyJustice on December 22, 2005, 03:39:03
When you apply for UT you have to already have acceptance into a university.  If your acceptance is for a civi U and your picked up then that's where you're going to be going.  If you're taking classes at RMC, that that is likely where you will end up since you don't have admission into another school. 

As some of the other people have said, when you fill out your application it asks you where you want to go, and this info is based on where you are accepted to attend. 

As an aside, if you're doing a degree that isn't offered at RMC then you don't have any other option but to attend a civi U. 

I'm a recent UTP and am loving my time hanging out at civi U!

Good luck with the boards!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wookilar on March 08, 2006, 21:27:53
Been looking into maybe OT'ing into a different trade while I am still at RMC (still not sure what I want to be when I grow up). But, the only way I can see is the annual VOTP (or whatever that was called a few months back). Anyone know if you can apply for a trade NOT on the list or know anyone that has done this? Any help/info would be appreciated.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Paish on March 10, 2006, 10:39:03
Well i don't know how otter does things but the way the VOR works on our end(I beileve) is that you put your application(Request what is needed from CoC) in through your CoC in the fall and do what they tell you. About trades not on the list, not too sure. The VOR process itself takes a couple of months and people are just starting to hear back from ottawa now.


 :threat: Paish
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wookilar on March 10, 2006, 13:58:03
Thanks Beaverlodge!

The list is the problem, though. ??? Whenever I ask someone about OT'ing to a trade not on it, they look at me like I have six heads. Most trades are open, but why not for VOR? I ask............ummmmmmm.....I'll get back to you on that...ummm...ya....look, there's some really good openings on the list.......blahblahblah. You get the picture.

Most of the VOR this year was all pseudo-techie types and (ick) Air Force. Not really my cup of tea, you know. I have an image to uphold  8)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Paish on March 11, 2006, 16:55:06
Yeah i could pretty much see it going like this

"So i want to VOR to this trade here..etc etc"

"What? You want to VOR to infantry? Why excellent!"

"Tabernac"
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: GINge! on March 12, 2006, 00:18:37
Generally, if the trade is not on the list, that means it is not open for OT in as they are overborne. Depending on your current trade, you may not be allowed to OT out if it is 'distressed' or 'red' (not 100% sure what term is used these days).

However, since you are at RMC, I'm going to guess the CF has not yet invested a lot of training time into your current MOC and as such it might be easier to transfer.

You should try asking your squad boss very nicely to contact the SOC at RMC, who can then contact the career manager of the trade you wish to apply for. The CM usually has the best / most current status of the trade. However, now is a very busy time for CM's and you might want to wait a few weeks or months.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wookilar on March 13, 2006, 07:19:23
Thanks GINge!

I've talked to the SOC in passing, but I want to keep it as official as possible, so I'll probably chat with my Sqn Com, AGAIN!

I'm in no rush, so I will wait a bit. I've got two years left here before I'm back to a "real" job. Last I could find out (through various nefarious, unofficial means) the trade I want is not overborne, but the one I am currently in seems to be a little desperate (they took me didn't they?).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bbbb on March 16, 2006, 19:47:29
Isn't the VOR process a long, long process that can be hindered if you are 71U?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: GINge! on March 17, 2006, 00:03:34
If the board sits in May, and you apply in June, then yes, it can be at least a year.

I have seen a VOR take as little as 3 weeks however, if it is timed right.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bbbb on March 17, 2006, 03:17:13
Doing ROTP civvy U is a good idea since you won't have a sqn comd or sqn NCO raining down your necks. You'll live like an officer at civvy U, everything won't be handed down to you like at RMC. Ah, RMC, what a good life it's been, no worries, no want.

Choose RMC if you want a superior military education to what you could get at civvy U. Remember, there is NO military training here at all. You wear the uniform, do inspections and the like and do your studies/athletics, that's all. The rest of your time is either free time or, free time!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DetectiveMcNulty on March 18, 2006, 23:30:13
I'd personally hit up a civi U for the chicks, but would miss out on the RMC deal.

Probably why I'm not going to do ROTP at all...

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wookilar on March 19, 2006, 12:39:02
Between Civy U and RMC there are some differences.

For a career in the CF as an officer, the largest implications are that at RMC, you not only get your Second Language Training (SLT), but you also complete the OPME requirements (Officer Professional  ..... military....education? I can never remember the new one, OPDP was so much easier). Currently, you need to have the OPME's done before you are eligible for Captain (that's what we are told here, at any rate) and the rank that will you require a Second Language profile keeps dropping every few years.

Also, there is a larger connection with the military lifestyle. It may not be exactly like the real world, but it is closer than civy u (and just for the record, I have also done full time at civy u and civy college in my previous flat-face, long hair life).

There are advantages to doing civy u, but it all depends on what you require (degree, family situation, advance credits, etc) and, more importantly, what the CF requires of you.

Both have advantages and disadvantages. To say one is better than the other is being a little narrow minded.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bbbb on March 21, 2006, 14:50:29
Ok, what do you learn at RMC that so prepares you for REAL life?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Ditch on March 21, 2006, 14:58:46
Currently, you need to have the OPME's done before you are eligible for Captain (that's what we are told here, at any rate) and the rank that will you require a Second Language profile keeps dropping every few years.

Sounds like they are spinning you guys in all the wrong directions....  OPME's are for promotion to Major, as is a BBB french profile.  The only pre-requisite for promotion to Captain is achieving your trade and accruing T.I.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Scone on March 21, 2006, 15:38:26
Sounds like they are spinning you guys in all the wrong directions....  OPME's are for promotion to Major, as is a BBB french profile.  The only pre-requisite for promotion to Captain is achieving your trade and accruing T.I.

OPME requirements depend on the element  - for example the Army want their Capt's to have them done (though it is not a requirement for promotion,it is a requirement for certian positions), and the Air and Sea want them done for Majors. This should be covered in the new OPME policy, which is under review at ADM HR (mil) now - and is expected to be out sometime this summer.

You should note however, that the OPME (Yes it is Officer Professional Military Education  ;D ) program is only partially completed at RMC by the red coats. There are 6 courses, 4 of which are Univeristy Level. These are completed through the course of the regualr academics at RMC. The 2 PD (Professional level) courses are not covered, and must be taken at a later time. These are PME001 and 002.

muffin
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 23007 on March 21, 2006, 16:32:56
OPME requirements depend on the element  - for example the Army want their Capt's to have them done (though it is not a requirement for promotion,it is a requirement for certian positions), and the Air and Sea want them done for Majors. This should be covered in the new OPME policy, which is under review at ADM HR (mil) now - and is expected to be out sometime this summer.

You should note however, that the OPME (Yes it is Officer Professional Military Education  ;D ) program is only partially completed at RMC by the red coats. There are 6 courses, 4 of which are Univeristy Level. These are completed through the course of the regualr academics at RMC. The 2 PD (Professional level) courses are not covered, and must be taken at a later time. These are PME001 and 002.

muffin

Unless of course you take Business Administration where you receive 5 of the 6 OPMES. Then all you do is travel to St.Jean for a 5 day course to finish your Military Law OPME and the re-aquaintance of Rue St.Catherines. ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Scone on March 21, 2006, 16:48:58
Then all you do is travel to St.Jean for a 5 day course to finish your Military Law OPME and the re-aquaintance of Rue St.Catherines. ;D

You must be Airforce - the AF MA runs 5 day courses at the ELFC for those who can get TD'd there or who may be there anyway... this may not be possible if you are LAnd or Sea. The Navy runs "NOPME" serials on both coasts 2-3 times a year and the Army runs some courses on some bases when the demand is there. The AF also runs "AFOPME" serials several times a year - these are the ones you are referring to here.

OPME is a "living programme" in that it is constantly changing. We are re-developping the MilLaw right now in a more flexible format.

Warning - the following is MY personal opinion and does not in any way reflect the opinion of CDA, RMC, or the OPME Program admins ;) *that should cover it*

I wouls like to see the 2 PD courses (001 and 002), and maybe eventually all the OPMEs switched to a self lead study format where a student could register and complete the course when he/she wishes ... baby steps though :)

muffin
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACS_Tech on March 23, 2006, 22:20:32
I wanted to get an idea of where those who are going to a civilian university on a subsidised commissioning plan (IE ROTP?UTPNCM) are studying at and what degree program and MOC you are in.  I've been trying to find some information out through research on the net and DIN, but have for the most part come up empty handed.  What I'm interested in is what schools do people in these plans get sent to if they don't go to RMC?  I realize this is largely based on the MOC requirements, IE nurses and pharmasists go to schools that offer such programs, etc. but what about engineering?  Do many students go to schools that offer engineering other than RMC, and then are they limited to one or two schools, or is it basically where the student applies?  If you fall into the above mentioned category, or have some useful info on this topic, please post here.

For those interested, I'd like to know since I am planning on applying for UTPNCM.  However, due to personal reasons, RMC would be a worst case scenario for me at the moment (relatively speaking of course...I mean, it's still free school after all, I know).  Unfortunately, I plan on applying for a program that is probably one of the bigger programs at RMC (MechEng), of the 3 (civilian) schools that would be ideal or prefered for me, 2 aren't close to a base (Calgary and Windsor), with Manitoba being my 3 option.

Now, before anyone gives me the whole "you-should-be-glad-what-you-get-the-service-comes-before-the-soldier-stop-your-whinning" rant/post that I'm sure many of you reading this right now are itching to type out, I am fully aware that should I apply to the program, I should be ready to accept RMC as a potential offer, even if I don't mark it as a choice.  I am also aware that this plan is an officer production plan first and an education plan second, so the needs of the CF and where they feel I will best be trained will veto anything I have to say on the subject.  Thirdly, I am aware that I am not obliged to accept any offer that I receive, regardless of what school/program/MOC it is for (and however dumb it probably would be to turn down such an offer!).  For the record, I would go to RMC if that is what was offered to me, it is just not in my best personal interest at his time, that is all.

With that out of the way, like I said.  I'm just interested in seeng where all the civie ROTP/UT cadets are studying at and what they are studying, and specifically anyone who is in an engineering program outside of RMC.  If you feel the need  to know my personal reasons for not wanting to go to RMC, they are partially posted in another thread. Otherwise, PM and I'll be happy to tell you where to go. ;)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wookilar on March 23, 2006, 22:57:30
I'm at RMC now, going for a BA in Military Strategic Studies. I have many friends that are going to schools from NS to BC, Dal to U Vic and all points in between. I was accepted to three other universities, under three different programs that were all "preferred" degrees for my trade (LOG). (U of A as I was in Edmonton at the time, Dal and St. FX) For one reason or another, I was offered RMC, so off went the family to Kingston.

Be aware, there is a bit of a push on from higher to up the numbers of the UT's at RMC. If you have reasons to stay where you are, make sure you can back them up a little. Some of the people sent here are married, some are single. Some are here for 4 years, some 3 (like myself), some 2 and we even have one that will be at RMC for only 1 year.

The array of UT's attending civy u are just as wide and varied. If there was a pattern for the selection to attend RMC last year, it is too convoluted for me to detect.

For actual "official" info on degree and trade spreads between civy u and RMC, you might try and contact someone at CFRG in Borden. They may (or may not) have some data that can be released. If your PSO's office is switched on, they should be able to help out. I know the PSO in Edmonton over the last two years I was harassing them were very helpful. Another source of info would be to contact the University Liason Officer in your current area. They would have a lot of info at their fingertips, regarding what they have to work with.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SweetNavyJustice on March 24, 2006, 14:45:20
I got picked up for UTP last year and am attending class at the University of Victoria working towards a degree in Psychology with a minor in Philosophy.  All this to be an MP O. 

This is my no means a fact and just my opinion, but from my understanding if you don't apply to RMC you won't get accepted.  If you aren't accepted then it's not going to be on your radar for schools that you'll be attending.  For UTPNCM (and ROTP for that matter) you already have to have your acceptence into your university and into your program of choice.  This is what is used as the basis for your application.  Out of convenience a number of people take university courses through RMC's continuing Ed dept. and as such this is generally who a number of people are already students of and a school that they are accepted to.  This is where you could get (for lack of a better word) trapped going to RMC. 

If you have acceptance at a university other then RMC and that is where you have done your (pre req) courses through then I would think it is likely that you would stay at that school.  At least this has been my personal experience.  I gained acceptance to UVic, did my pre req courses for UTP there, had no acceptance to any other university so it was an all or nothing deal for my app.  And here I am.....

Good luck.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Shadow on March 24, 2006, 16:25:42
For UTPNCM (and ROTP for that matter) you already have to have your acceptance into your university and into your program of choice.  This is what is used as the basis for your application. 

Not necessarily.  There are many UTs out there who were accepted into the program without an acceptance letter from a University.  Most were given a conditional acceptance, based on them getting their admission, and some if didn't get in, did some OJT until they could get it.  I was promoted (demoted?) to OCdt without having an acceptance letter (OttawaU doesn't send them out until June/July for the upcoming semester), and was told that if I didn't get it, they would put me to work until I did.

ACS_Tech, you can apply to ANY University in Canada.  If you are on the east coast and you want to go to Uof Vic, you can apply and put it on your UT application.  If you get accepted, and Borden is happy then they will move you, your family and your F&E to the new location.

I wouldn't advise anyone to check the "Not Interested in RMC" box on their application.  In most cases it is an indication that your priorities are in the wrong place.  That being said, the military is VERY accommodating, and if there are issues such as sick wife, they will do their best to put you where you are best suited.  I met a guy who was doing his whole UT degree via correspondence so he could stay at home and care for an ailing family member.

Hope this helps.  Feel free to PM me if anyone has any UT questions.  I graduate and will be commissioned next month, and have been going to civvie U for 3 years (it was supposed to be 3.5 but I took extra courses to graduate early)  I am happy to help anyone interested in the program.

Shadow
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wookilar on March 25, 2006, 20:20:02
Do not get too hung-up on the "If you don't check the RMC box, you won't get picked up for UT" thing. My IAP last year was 28 UT's, half RMC, half civy u. Some checked the box, some did not. If you checked the box, be prepared. If you don't check the box, be prepared. CFRG may just offer you RMC anyway.

For the prep courses, mine were from U of A (5) and RMC (4) and Grant Macewan (2). Here I am at RMC, even though Dal and U of A offered me the exact same deal (academic wise).

And, keep in mind, if you don't like the offer, you can always say "no." Not the end of the world. Just keep taking courses part time and get your leaf, then inquire about CFR.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: TDV-Arte-et-Marte on April 09, 2006, 00:50:02
Is it true that engineers at RMC have 3 vice 2 OPMEs to do after grad?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on April 09, 2006, 10:31:27
Is it true that engineers at RMC have 3 vice 2 OPMEs to do after grad?
Is there some sort of trick question here?  Why would they not be required to do the same amount of OPMEs as everyone else?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: TDV-Arte-et-Marte on April 09, 2006, 14:22:42
People taking science courses take an extra politics course while the engineers don't (engineers only take one politics course). Hence, when one graduates, one may need do one more course.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 23007 on April 09, 2006, 17:02:02
Myself and both of my roommates graduated from RMC last year. One is mech eng, the other is politics, and I am business. Both of them had 2 OPMES to finish after grad and I only had one to do as Business students get 5 of the course while at the college. So engineering is no different from arts in terms of OPME credits.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on April 09, 2006, 17:30:38
Something here still doesn't sound right?  Has the program (OPMEs) changed that much?  Before, it didn't matter what courses you took in University, you still had the five or so OPDPs, later the OPMEs, to do.  Now you are telling me that University Credits will write off OPMEs?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: h3tacco on April 09, 2006, 17:45:00
George you cannot use university credits strictly for OPMEs, however 4 fo 6 OPMEs are run like university course and are in fact courses which you can take at RMC. For example one OPME is Canadian Military history if you take the course at RMC obviously you don't have to do the OPME. As well if you took a similar Military History at any other university you may get credit for it depending on the similarity of the course. Likewise if you do not have a degree some civie universities and RMC will grant you credit for some of the OPMEs depending on the university.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on April 09, 2006, 19:05:17
Ok?  If I have a Canadian Military History Course, although not from RMC, but another University, does that work in my favor?  Can I too, have that OPME written off?  This is where there may not be an even playing field, if you see what I mean.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Scants on April 09, 2006, 19:21:58
Ok?  If I have a Canadian Military History Course, although not from RMC, but another University, does that work in my favor?  Can I too, have that OPME written off?  This is where there may not be an even playing field, if you see what I mean.

Yes George,
You can have OPMEs written off from doing courses other than the actual OPME. I added the link a while back for the Prior Learning Assessment person at RMC, search function should bring it up. All they ask for is the syllabus from the course you did and then they decide whether to write it off or not. I get pretty bothered when people go on and on and on etc ... about how hard it is to get OPMEs written off. "Well my buddy said...", "I heard that..." etc. I got 2 wrote off with no drama. As I said before people, all you have to do is ask.

Tim
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Scone on April 10, 2006, 09:10:27
The OPME programme consists of 6 courses, 2 Professional Development Level Courses and 4 University Level Courses. A combination of OPDP, ODP-2, and/or prior university training can be credited towards the courses. It does not have to be a course taken at RMC, so long as the LO's are met.

Most if not all RMC cadets graduate with the 4 University Credits done, and then complete the PD courses. If the Registrar allows it they can finish the PD OPME's while on OJT etc during the summer.

For more information you can email our PLAR personnel at plar@rmc.ca

muffin (aka Maggie O'Reilly)
DBA RMC DCS
Continuing Ed and OPME
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: EngrTech on April 10, 2006, 19:45:04
Ok?  If I have a Canadian Military History Course, although not from RMC, but another University, does that work in my favor?  Can I too, have that OPME written off?  This is where there may not be an even playing field, if you see what I mean.

As a minor point, you may not be accorded full credit, but may get partial credit, i.e. you may only have to complete one or two assignments to get the OPME course. It depends on how close your course syllabus is compared to the OPME course.

I know of one captain who got a partial for Ethics... I think it only exempted him from one assignment.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Scone on April 10, 2006, 21:10:57
As a minor point, you may not be accorded full credit, but may get partial credit, i.e. you may only have to complete one or two assignments to get the OPME course. It depends on how close your course syllabus is compared to the OPME course.

I know of one captain who got a partial for Ethics... I think it only exempted him from one assignment.

This may have been true in the past, but we are moving away from partial PLAR to "all-or-nothing" PLAR. It is more likely that you would recieve credit for the entire course or nothing at all than partial PLAR anymore. If you have any specific questions though I would email our PLAR coordinator at the address mentioned in my previous post.

muffin
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Journeyman on April 11, 2006, 12:12:26
I know of one captain who got a partial for Ethics...

I know of several captains who need a bit more work on ethics   ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: phil27 on June 19, 2006, 21:55:13
hey im going into electrical engineering at the university of windsor under ROPT in septembre but i have a few questions about it. 
1) do you have to maintain a certain grade when your at university to stay in ROTP
2) What happends if you fail a class during university
3) besides the summer is there any other training? like march break or ne thing like that

thanks alot
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Mortar guy on June 20, 2006, 00:31:54
Hey phil27,

First off, if you're going to be an officer - learn to spell, capitalize and use punctuation. This board comes with a handy spell checker so even if the public education system has failed you, you can still fake it.

Now, I was a ROTP Civvie U student, although that was 8 years ago and things may have changed. First off, talk to your University Liaison Officer (if that's what they're still called) and read the regulations they distribute.

When I was at SFU we were told we had to maintain a B average (IIRC) and that we had to pay out of pocket for any courses we failed and had to redo. However, I have to wonder why you are asking these questions. Do you plan on failing anything? Setting your sights high? The people of Canada are paying for your education and I recommend you owe them (and the CF) your best efforts while at university.

As for training, I broke some ground on this one (at least for my generation of Civvie U OCdts) and paraded with a reserve infantry unit throughout the school year. They were kind enough to make me a Pl Comd and I gained a decent amount of experience. There was no other scheduled training for any of the Civvie U ROTP OCdts and many took advantage of that situation and essentially became civvies who happened to do phase training in the summers. Still, if you're worried about your grades, maybe you should hold off on training for the first year and make sure you get the hang of the whole university thing (most professors don't accept MSN spelling). Good luck.

MG
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Kid_X on June 20, 2006, 12:26:20
Hey Phil27,

Are you doing your IAP/BOTC this summer?  Also, are you located in Windsor at the moment or are you traveling there for University?

My situation is that I'm not doing IAP/BOTC this summer. It's been deferred to 2007.  So I met up with my ULO early to start "Clearing-In".  She's located in the NDHQ building here in Ottawa so I needed an escort to get in (How long after enrolment does the service card come in?).  I cleared-in with my unit and my mess (The only RCAF Officer's Mess in Canada?), but I've been told I only have to get all the clearing-in done before my COS date (August 25Th), and because I can't get into the NDHQ building without my service card OR and escort, It's was suggested by my ULO that I wait for my service card to come in.

Anyways, when you first clear-in with your ULO, he/she gets you to sign a bunch of papers again (Some of the papers you've already signed, like your Will, Affidavit of Execution of Will, Supplementary Death Benefits Plan.  Some papers you haven't already signed like your Statement of Ordinary Residence Form, Family Care Plan Declaration, etc, your ULO explains these to you.) and gets some information from you.  Don't forget your banking information (Bring a void cheque).

While I was clearing in with my ULO she e-mailed me the StudentGuide2005, I haven't had time to read through it yet so I can't answer your questions exactly, but if you wanted to put your e-mail up here (or PM it to me), I could send that to you.

We're in the same boat, and I have to say I'm thankful for these forums, it's great to be able to put up worries/questions and have them answered or discussed by people going through the same situation or who have already been through it (Thanks Army.ca!).

Sheldon
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: jwsteele on June 20, 2006, 17:27:58
It doesn't hurt to maintain good grades but they make no specific mention of expectations.  You are only expected to pass all of your courses as lame as that sounds.  If you feel that you will fail a course you must let your ULO know ASAP so that appropriate action can be taken.  There is no training throughout the school year and you are not expected to do anything except school.  If your grades are very good they will let you get a job or attach to a reserve unit.  It's all very simple for civy U OCdts.  Make sure all your claims and paperwork is completed on time and do well in school and you won't even remember that you're in the CF because nobody will ever remind you until it gets close to summer training.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cda84 on June 22, 2006, 22:14:25
How does leave work with 'Civy U' ROTP? Am I still entitled to the standard 4 weeks per year? For example after my course this summer, in between the time from course until school, I will have 2 weeks time. How will this work? Will I be let free or will I need to take 1-2 weeks of annual leave for that period?

Thankyou

Chris
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on June 22, 2006, 22:57:50
How does leave work with 'Civy U' ROTP? Am I still entitled to the standard 4 weeks per year? For example after my course this summer, in between the time from course until school, I will have 2 weeks time. How will this work? Will I be let free or will I need to take 1-2 weeks of annual leave for that period?

Thankyou

Chris

You will be entitled to annual leave and you will have to use your annual leave for that period between training and start of school.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Kid_X on June 27, 2006, 18:42:53
So if I've been put on 83 days LWOP because of the June 3rd enrolment ceremony, does that mean I have no leave left for the rest of the year, how does this work?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on June 27, 2006, 18:59:20
No.

It only means that you are on Leave right now and not getting paid.  At the end of your contract, those 83 days will be deducted from your time served and unless you work 84 days (one day extra for a Fudge Factor)  past your Release Date you will loose one full year in Severance Pay (approx $2000) on Release (if you have served long enough to qualify for an annuity (pension)).  I would ask someone in the RMS Trade to explain to you the ramifications of Leave Without Pay - but then I have told you that before.  http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,23377.msg392281.html#msg392281
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MC on August 13, 2006, 08:36:14
I also study electrical engineering and have been ROTP for two years. Most your questions have been answered but basically between september and may, you don't exist for the army (but you still get paid). As a matter of fact when I reported in for BOTP this summer I still didn't exist for them.

The program is a mess. I got 3 months "vacation" after the school year because my liaison staff couldn't finish the paperwork to get me on an OJT at a local reserve unit (that I had already contacted and that had told me they could take on another ocdt). Thing is since I was always waiting for their call I couldn't really do anything or go anywhere to take advantage of this time off.

All this being said ROTP is still a very sweet deal and you will be able to enjoy yourself and concentrate on your studies at the same time, so I wouldn't worry about grades if I were you (as long as you work hard, that is). Not having to get a 25 hr / week job made a big difference for me. I guess if there were more of us doing this, it would be better organized and we could do fun stuff like field exercises or other activities every now and then during the school year to keep us into it, but apart from that I have no complaints, its cool to be able to put all the time you need on school.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Quag on August 20, 2006, 19:24:33
How does leave work with 'Civy U' ROTP? Am I still entitled to the standard 4 weeks per year? For example after my course this summer, in between the time from course until school, I will have 2 weeks time. How will this work? Will I be let free or will I need to take 1-2 weeks of annual leave for that period?

Thankyou

Chris

As an ROTP CIVU candidate, leave is not really regulated.  You can take leave usually if there is no conflict between training and school.

If you use all your entitled leave, there is still plenty of "special academic" leave.

This year I have taken almost 2 months of leave( 1 month block "special academic", Xmas, Reading Weeks, you get the picture), previous years, even more.  It has been my experience thus far that USUALLY every summer, you will have at least one month block leave, unless you do OJT or EWAT or something else.

Anytime you are not training or at school you MUST have a leave pass.

Hope this answers your question.

~Quag
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Kid_X on August 21, 2006, 15:24:50
Actually that helps lots, thank you.  Also, I'm on of the - I'm sure several - recruits whose parents are divorced.  Will they take that into account at all when you ask for leave in order to travel across the province and visit your other parent (the one that doesn't have custody).  I know I'm 18 so custody isn't really a battle anymore, but I'm still living with mom for a year before moving into residence on campus.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Quag on August 21, 2006, 15:53:59
When you are on leave, you can usually travel where you want (except there are regulations regarding scheduled countries, but we don't need to get into that).

Also, make sure to take advantage of Leave Travel Assistance.  It will pay your flight to go see your family that is out of province once a year.

Regards

~Quag
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: andpro on August 22, 2006, 11:27:58
When you are on leave, you can usually travel where you want (except there are regulations regarding scheduled countries, but we don't need to get into that).

Is there anywhere that I could get a copy of those regulations on line?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Quag on August 22, 2006, 11:46:52
PM inbound
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on August 22, 2006, 20:56:53
I'm looking for some info re: working a civvie job while at school (I have time galore on my hands).

Someone who does with, would ya'll mind PM'ing me some info about how to go about getting it approved by the CoC (if need be).

Just a little warning. While some members have taken jobs outside their normal duties they must always be cognizant that the CF is first and that their extra job must never interfere or place them in conflict with their primary duties of being a CF member.  Also if a member is injured while performing that other job they would financially responsible for their medical expenses and if that injury prevents them from performing their duties as a CF member then there would be further repercussions.  That is why the CoC is very hesitant in granting permission but they do on occasion.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Quag on August 22, 2006, 23:45:39
Actually, you are completely allowed to get a part time job according to the SEM in Ontario.

He realizes that OCdt.'s are poor ;D.

You must notify your ULO.  IF you start failing classes or your marks start slipping drastically, you will be asked (told) to quit your job.

Personally, I see no reason why you can't get a job at while attending CiviU.  For those beautiful 8 months (no offence RMC guys ;D :P), you have no direct ties to the CF, or any duties that you must perform for them (other than pass classes).

Cheers
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Saorse on November 07, 2006, 10:01:17
I was just curious as to whether or not anyone knows what expenses are covered by DND for an ROTP member in a civillian university. Is it  tuition and books, plus the salary?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Saorse on November 07, 2006, 10:08:57
That's how I understood it: okay! :) So even though room and board will still do 7 thousand dollars worth of damage here at St. FX, it still might work. Would a scholarship from the university be null and void if accepted into ROTP?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Saorse on November 07, 2006, 10:13:37
I totally understand that it's probably been talked about before; just wanted to make it short and sweet. :)

I'm from Inverness, Cape Breton! Just an hour and a half from X here. Yourself?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Sareon on November 10, 2006, 12:04:13
I am currently attending Civilian University through ROTP at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia.  It sure is a sweet deal.  I get paid to go here plus I have everything pretty much covered and if you live in a "high cost" area, you can apply for PDL.

I live on campus and I am paying for that myself with the money I get paid, it's a small chunk of it but it is worth it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Saorse on November 10, 2006, 13:39:51
Here's to hoping for a good thing then. :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Krypto on November 16, 2006, 19:31:45
I'm currently applying for ROTP at Civy U (I'm second year at Wilfrid Laurier University), and I'm so glad to hear that all the stuff mentioned above is covered.

My question is about the salary. Is it enough to get by? Or will I need to work part-time? I know it depends on the exact pay rate, and the area and cost of living, but I'm just asking in ballpark terms.

I really hope I get in.

EDIT: I'm also reading about others at Civy U who find a local reserve unit and parade with them. If I'm air force, and the only local unit is infantry, would that still fly? Even in just an admin role? I'd love to be able to parade somewhere during the year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Sareon on November 16, 2006, 22:12:41
With just my ROTP salary I am having no problems paying for residence, food, alcohol, xmas presents and still am saving up money. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Krypto on November 16, 2006, 22:46:47
I'm a bit confused...

Various posters have said you need a leave pass for any leave, but how to they distinguish leave from "school time" during the year? For example: The few weeks between school and training in the summer is pretty clearly "leave" and you're under the military's close supervision. But when you're let loose for the school year, are you expected to request leave to go away for a weekend with your buddies or something? I understnad you'd have to if you want to get that travel assistance.

I also have another question. I'm getting married next fall, so after that, if I was on leave and was to request travel assistance, would she be included too? Probably not, but I'm just curious.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on November 16, 2006, 22:53:16
If you are now in the CF, you will need a Leave Pass when you go on Leave outside of the Unit Area.  You will find out how large that 'Area' by inquiring at the Unit you are in. 

Any plans you have for marriage should be done, keeping your Unit informed.  The OR will be able to give you all the info and details you require for your new spouse.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Michael O'Leary on November 16, 2006, 23:03:24
Krypto,

One reason you should have a leave pass when you are away for a weekend is so that the system knows where you are.  To be honest, your ULO doesn't care that you're going hiking for the weekend, but when he gets a call from a Duty Officer because your mother needs to find you in the event of a family emergency, she expects the "army" to know where you are.

As for travel assistance and marriage: once you're married, your new wife becomes your primary next of kin.  After that, there's no travel assistance entitlement to go home to see Mom.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Saorse on November 17, 2006, 16:47:55
Here's to hoping for the best! Interview is December 19 :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mhawk on November 17, 2006, 22:31:17
Regarding the question about parading part time with a reserve.
It shouldn't be a problem to parade with them even though your air force, I've heard of one parading with a Recce unit.
It just depends on if your ULO allows it and the reserve unit accepting you to parade with them.  I myself am hoping to return to my Cbt Engineer unit, even though I was a pte back then and CT to Aerospace Eng.  Hopefully you get in and get to parade with them.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Saorse on November 20, 2006, 19:21:53
For those of you all currently involved in the ROTP through CIVI U, what sort of academic requirements do they hope you maintain? I find myself wondering a bit more of what might be expected now that my interview is less than one month away. :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Quag on November 20, 2006, 19:27:05
For those of you all currently involved in the ROTP through CIVI U, what sort of academic requirements do they hope you maintain? I find myself wondering a bit more of what might be expected now that my interview is less than one month away. :)

A pass
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Saorse on November 20, 2006, 20:09:45
Merci merci.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Krypto on November 24, 2006, 04:42:52
Regarding the question about parading part time with a reserve.
It shouldn't be a problem to parade with them even though your air force, I've heard of one parading with a Recce unit.
It just depends on if your ULO allows it and the reserve unit accepting you to parade with them.  I myself am hoping to return to my Cbt Engineer unit, even though I was a pte back then and CT to Aerospace Eng.  Hopefully you get in and get to parade with them.

I assume the same rules would apply with a cadet unit? Does this even happen?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Krypto on November 27, 2006, 19:55:51
Good to know, thought I meant mainly about working at a cadet unit during the school year, assuming they have an opening.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Sareon on November 27, 2006, 20:59:02
For those of you all currently involved in the ROTP through CIVI U, what sort of academic requirements do they hope you maintain? I find myself wondering a bit more of what might be expected now that my interview is less than one month away. :)

From what I have been told, there is no academic requirements that you must maintain except for passing though I am sure you are expected to do as best as you can as I am currently doing. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Cookie89 on December 17, 2006, 15:06:34
Hi, I'm new to this website, today.
I'm currently at the stage of waiting to hear back from RMC to see if I'll be accepted. I've also applied to a couple civi U's.. Recently I've been talking to people about RMC and have heard nothing but bad reports... Things like, "The people at RMC are super cocky", "RMC is like 4 years of BMQ" and "After RMC everyone is brainwashed and crazy". I've gone thorugh Reserves BMQ and SQ so I'm not completely oblivious to the ways of the military, but is RMC really as bad as everyone says? If Im offered Civi U should I take it, or go to RMC?

Comments from former RMC students would be appriciated...

Thanks
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: JesseWZ on December 17, 2006, 15:15:18
Well... I am not from RMC, however some of my platoon mates from IAP are attending at the moment. I speak with them fairly often and they seem pretty normal to me. I believe the hardest part of RMC would be the FYOP (First Year Orientation) and after that the pressure eases a little (But it is still university, you will still be swamped with tests and essays) There are a few RMC'ers kicking around on this forum, I will leave the rest to the ones who are far more informed then I.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: old man neri on December 17, 2006, 15:32:42
It also depends what you want to do in the long term future. Are you going to be in the military forever? What degree are you looking for? Do you plan on ever working in the civilian world after?

Also, would you be attending these other universities on your own time and dime or through ROTP?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Big Foot on December 17, 2006, 15:53:47
Hi, I'm new to this website, today.
I'm currently at the stage of waiting to hear back from RMC to see if I'll be accepted. I've also applied to a couple civi U's.. Recently I've been talking to people about RMC and have heard nothing but bad reports... Things like, "The people at RMC are super cocky", "RMC is like 4 years of BMQ" and "After RMC everyone is brainwashed and crazy". I've gone thorugh Reserves BMQ and SQ so I'm not completely oblivious to the ways of the military, but is RMC really as bad as everyone says? If Im offered Civi U should I take it, or go to RMC?

Comments from former RMC students would be appriciated...

Thanks
Those who badmouth RMC are those who have had bad experiences with the College. I have been in the RMC ROTP program for 4 years now and while I do have some gripes about the program which I will not air here, I will say it has been an excellent experience. I am a third year cadet at the moment and I will say that the life I live now is nothing like BMQ or IAP/BOTP. I have the freedom to leave campus when I please, dress how I was outside of school hours. There are cocky people at RMC, but that is par for the course. I have dealt with ROTP civvy U pers and reservists who are just as bad. Be very careful with these generalizations, else you may end up convincing yourself not to take what may be one of the best opportunities that will come your way this early in life. For what its worth, those are my $0.02.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 22B on December 17, 2006, 16:01:10
I have a family member in RMC at this time.  Here's my take on it from his observations.  Paid for.  Lots of time off, and you get paid for it. Summer deployment to some interesting places.  You get paid for it.  You make an obscene amount of money at graduation for no work experience. You get to be part of the RMC Business Club which means you will always find a good paying job, making an obscene amount of money.  The level of  quality of your degree is the same as the better universities.  It's free.  You are obligated to work for  the Military for X years and get paid, then you can leave, but why would you?  It's organized, unlike civil universities.  First year:Boo Hoo it's tough.  It's the military. Tough is what it's about.  If you have doubts and believe rumours, perhaps civil route is for you.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: old man neri on December 17, 2006, 16:20:10
The level of  quality of your degree is the same as the better universities.

I would be inclined to disagree with you on that one. Having been in quite a few engineering jobs and talking to all sorts of types it is their view that the value of the RMC engineering degree (I can't speak for other degrees) is not all that great. These are the people that are hiring so their opinion does matter to a certain extent.

That being said, RMC is still a good deal, you forgot to mention that on top of getting paid you are also getting a pension.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
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Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Shamrock on December 17, 2006, 16:34:55
Allow me to address the point of cockiness and RMC students.

That's total bullsh*t.  RMC students come from diverse backgrounds and from all across Canada.  For the most part, they are polite, articulate, and agreeable people.  Having attended three post-secondary academies and having visited countless more, I'd have to say RMC students are the most down to Earth of them. 

In regards to the quality of education, that's up to the student.  Some graduates may leave an academy prepared for the workforce, others may not.  As for the military, you will find your post-university career not influenced by the academy you attended, but rather by your attidude, bearing, and application of skill.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Cookie89 on December 17, 2006, 17:07:17
I just finished talking to my cousin who was in RMC and he was telling me how great it is to know all the people and be with them for 4 years... yes he was telling me that he first year sucked, but oh well its only a year right? Thanks for all the feedback, I really appreciate it guys  :salute:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: WarrenpeacE- on January 26, 2007, 11:17:16
I did a search and missed it, IF SO, please delete my thread.
 
In Canadian Colleges/Universities you have
a 3 yr degree and a 4 yr degree. Im still trying to figure that
out. So my question in relation to ROTP is, Do you need the 4 yr degree
or will the 3 yr degree work as well?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wookilar on January 26, 2007, 14:08:43
http://www.rmc.ca/academic/registrar/programme/p004acadprog_e.html#10848

See note #3 below the chart. 3 Year degrees are NOT NORMALLY   open to RO/RETP's nor is the BMASc. We have UT's in 3 year programmes and in the BMASc programme, but I do not know of any RO/RE's in either.

That doesn't mean there aren't any (there are over 1000 or them here at RMC) here or Civy U, I just don't know any.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: WarrenpeacE- on January 26, 2007, 15:12:16
Very good. Thank you.!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on January 26, 2007, 20:03:31
You can do CivU and 3 years program

And I'Ve seen 1 ROTP do a 3 years program at RMC (from Sept 2001 to May 2004).  It's a VERY rare occurence and is not normal at all (the person had a good reason why).

Max
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 11, 2007, 10:18:06
Good day all... I also posted this in the 'Training' forum but I figured I'd try here as well.
I'm an infantry Officer Cadet at Civy U, and I'm doing BOTP from 7 May-22 Jun.  I miss CAP by 5 days... so I have over 2 months to find EWAT or something else to do.
One thing I would like to do at some point is my Basic Para course... so I figured why not this summer when I have lots of time to waste.
Because I'm at civy u however, I know the likelyhood of me getting on it is slim go none.  I know at RMC it's a lot easier to get on one... so I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions as to how I could.
Some people were suggesting just to show up in Trenton on the day of... as they do the PT test the first morning and if anybody fails then I could take their spot.  But I don't wanna show up and them be "OCdt who? get the frig out of here"
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on March 11, 2007, 10:21:04

Some people were suggesting just to show up in Trenton on the day of... as they do the PT test the first morning and if anybody fails then I could take their spot.  Thanks.

I don't think it works that way...  Talk to your ULO and see what he/she can do for you.  Tell why you want it and someone might be able to help you out!

Max
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 11, 2007, 13:24:52
Well it's kind of complicated because the ULOs only take care of the academic administration and it's the SEM advisor that takes care of the military training... I asked my SEM guy in the fall and he just flat out said no without even trying anything... I think he was just too lazy to figure out the options.  The reason why I say this is that the CO of the SEM group of CFRG had said during the summer that it was a possibility...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on March 11, 2007, 13:31:25
The reason why I say this is that the CO of the SEM group of CFRG had said during the summer that it was a possibility...

Did you say that to your SEM?

Max
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 11, 2007, 14:20:53
I'm going to write him a memo.  I just didn't want to piss him off because he was already so adamant.  I was also afraid that if he did say no and I managed to get on it another way he would not be happy about me going behind his back.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DVessey on March 13, 2007, 17:59:11
Good day all... I also posted this in the 'Training' forum but I figured I'd try here as well.
I'm an infantry Officer Cadet at Civy U, and I'm doing BOTP from 7 May-22 Jun.  I miss CAP by 5 days... so I have over 2 months to find EWAT or something else to do.
One thing I would like to do at some point is my Basic Para course... so I figured why not this summer when I have lots of time to waste.
Because I'm at civy u however, I know the likelyhood of me getting on it is slim go none.  I know at RMC it's a lot easier to get on one... so I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions as to how I could.
Some people were suggesting just to show up in Trenton on the day of... as they do the PT test the first morning and if anybody fails then I could take their spot.  But I don't wanna show up and them be "OCdt who? get the frig out of here"
Any suggestions?
Thanks.

Not sure who you're talking to, but the only people I know with wings around are either got them before they joined (with the reserves) or there took a jump course in the states when they did the exchange with USAFA.

Good luck though! I've got a whole summer of OJE somewhere... 2IC Coffee Maker here I come :S
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mudrecceman on March 13, 2007, 18:07:24
FWIW, a friend of mine who is a Reg Frce Infantry Sgt who is posted to a Light Bn this summer was on stand-by for the last Basic Para, and he was down in Trenton for the day of the PT test in case someone failed.  Him and 7 other guys that are all "require" the course now.  Tuesday of the course, he was back in our Div at CFLRS, teaching BMQ again, cause he wasn't high enough on the stand-by list.  There was only 1 spot, and 8 people for it IIRC.

From what he was telling me, there is a "waiting list" of guys for the course, so you may find yourself hard-pressed to get on a course now, when there are guys posted to Light Bn's who need the course.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Breacher41 on March 13, 2007, 18:09:57
Also... dont you need some BASIC courses before you can even be considered for Basic Para? I mean... completing your MOC may be a good way to go? I've been waiting for years to get on a Para course. The chances for PRes MedTechs were slim then, and it's even slimmer now, that I'm an HCA.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 13, 2007, 23:27:52
Yeah... well I knew the chance was slim to none... but that wasn't really my question.  I was asking what should I do to even attempt to get on some waiting list or give myself the even slightest possibility to get on it...
the only requirement for Officers is to have BOTP done, which I will have by the start of the basic para course date.
My trade is infantry, so it will be relevant to me in the future.  And like I said, I will otherwise be picking my nose for two months and would like to make use of my time as best as possible if I am given the opportunity
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Journeyman on March 13, 2007, 23:52:55
And like I said, I will otherwise be picking my nose for two months and would like to make use of my time as best as possible if I am given the opportunity.

First off, I know where you're coming from. The desire for a basic para can eat away at you*

So may I suggest that you don't pick your nose for two months. Wherever the army assigns you at this level of your development, you will likely have free time. Use that free time. Initiative's a good thing.

Spend more time at the gym: (and don't just think bulked-up bodybuilder, but work on infantry-useful fitness: cardio, flexibility, core strength - - chin-ups will help you over a ledge; squats will help you lift that ruck...one - more - damn - time

Read: You're a warrior. There's all kinds of info out there that you should be absorbing. Not just current war stories and lessons learned bitched-about. Read some of the leadership stuff coming out of the CF Leadership Institute. Read the old stuff - - maybe not Clausewitz or Jomini, but maybe the USMC Small Wars Manual, Clutterbuck, Thompson, TE Lawrence, de la Billiere.

Life: While the concept of the "warrior monk" may be cool, it's not practical. Have a talk with your CoC about helping out some local unit - Res, Cadets, Navy League, whatever. It'll broaden your horizons, introduce you to different styles of leadership and the requirements of those being led.

No, really, Life: If you've got time to mellow out, and not be doing mach 3 with your hair on fire - - take it! Soon enough, you will have wa-aaay too many things on your plate. Enjoy some down time while you can. If you have no life, learn some completely non-mil skills: musical instrument; some artform, like painting, sketching (which may prove useful); go see some plays, concerts, public outings. Note: get into mime, I'll kill you myself.


[I assume you'll ignore that last one. But remember, I told you so. Enjoy downtime!   ;)  ]


LM, life is too short. Use it well.


--------------------------
 * ahh....but then there's DZ/LZ Ctl, JM, Pathfinder, MFP, MFP JM - - it never ends when you're a jump junkie...or so I've heard   ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 14, 2007, 00:00:52
Thank you, that was the most helpful reply I have received so far.
Would I be able to get on the Lave III gunner course not having done my Phase III?
Basic Mountain Ops is another one that I would like to get done, but those are run by the individual units are they not?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Desert Fox on March 14, 2007, 00:18:30
By the end of BOTP, you've done what?  Learned to shine you boots, point the C7 rifle in the right direction, and drill, and the principles of leadership?  I am not to familier with the course names on the officer (dark) side of the army, I but I am assuming that the B in BOTP is Basic....If that is not the case ignore the rest....

Don't get ahead of yourself or build your hopes too high... I dont see the likelyhood of getting on a Mountain Ops/Para/LAV course with 4 weeks in uniform. I totaly encourage you to try to get on whatever you can, but keep it realistic, but the suggestions on the misc. courses or SLT seems like your best (likely) bet.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Desert Fox on March 14, 2007, 00:39:30
Well they actually cover alittle more than that in the 15 weeks of training currently on IAP/BOTP but I think I know what you meant.  IAP is 9 weeks followed by 5 weeks of BOTP. 

Research before you preach?

 ;D

FWIW...I had one OCdt (I think) and two 2Lts on my basic para...not impossible but...likely?  Who knows.  All I know is what my buddy who is posted to one of the "3rds" told me when he got back from Trenton on stand-by in late Jan of this year...

I never claimed to be an expert  :-[ and retract the 4 weeks comment... however the FNG factor remains fairly high even after 15 weeks...

BTW... It would only makes sence that BOTP is the first course...  B does stand for basic right?   Wait.... There I go again with what seems logical... I should have know better... Logic....pfffff....

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Journeyman on March 14, 2007, 00:48:28
DF/MRM - - are you helping, or on your own personal tangents? That's why god Mike B created PMs.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mudrecceman on March 14, 2007, 00:52:28
My bad.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 14, 2007, 00:55:12
Thanks for the info everyone.
Actually IAP/BOTP is now a total of 18 weeks.
IAP is 11, and BOTP is 7.
Thanks Journeyman, your post was also helpful.
If I could get on the LAV course that will also take a mod off of my Phase IV I believe as well, which would be helpful.
I think the Basic Mountain Ops course used to be run out of the CPC... but I looked at the LAWC website and it wasn't on the course list... so I just assumed they didn't run it anymore and that it was done out of the units.  As CND Aviator said, I believe they only run the Advanced Mountain Ops course and the Mountain Ops Instructor course.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on March 14, 2007, 01:16:16
I never claimed to be an expert  :-[ and retract the 4 weeks comment... however the FNG factor remains fairly high even after 15 weeks...

BTW... It would only makes sence that BOTP is the first course...  B does stand for basic right?   Wait.... There I go again with what seems logical... I should have know better... Logic....pfffff....



It's also BASIC para... I don't see what's out of reach for an Ocdt or 2Lt on that course...

Max
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 14, 2007, 01:25:27
ALRIGHT... maybe I should be more specific in my question.
So, I'll send a memo to my SEM.  If that doesn't work, should I send one to his boss depending on his reasonings? (if they make legitimate sense, then I won't... but if he is just basically saying no because he doesn't want to make the effort to figure it out... then should I?)
Or should I send an memo to the MA for infantry? (and who is it anyway?)

And because I'll be in Ottawa, Trenton is not that far away.  Will I get turned away by the school if I just show up?  Who do I contact to get on a waiting list.
And please, if you don't know the answer to the question, don't just make assumptions.

edit:
Oh yeah, and this does not just apply to the Basic Para Course (although it is my prefered choice)
Who should I contact about the Lav III course, or the Basic Mountain Ops course... or ANYTHING else related to my trade?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on March 14, 2007, 01:35:34
  Will I get turned away by the school if I just show up? 

You do NOT just show up !!!!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 14, 2007, 01:41:02
Right. Gotcha.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Spandrel on March 14, 2007, 01:53:59
x
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: LittleMagellan on March 14, 2007, 12:28:01
Drop the show up unannounced bit... I know not to and it's not exactly what I meant anyway... I wasn't planning on going down there without telling anyone... but never mind anyway.

Thanks for the info on the career manager... that's exactly what I'm looking for because it would be nice to hear what kind of options I have from them... and they could arrange it etc.  I would definitely like hanging out at a btn for the summer, even if it was doing coffee runs because I'd learn a lot by just watching.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: angrydevil on August 09, 2007, 23:18:13
Hey, I was just wondering does ROTP pay for residence if u go to a civi university, Thxs.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on August 10, 2007, 00:07:34
From:  CFAO 210-13 -- SUBSIDIZED UNIVERSITY EDUCATION -TUITION, FEES, TEXTBOOKS AND INSTRUMENTS (http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/009-12_e.asp)

PERIOD OF ACADEMIC SUBSIDIZATION
8.     A selected candidate will be subsidized for that period of time
required to receive a Baccalaureate degree. The candidate must be
registered as a fulltime student and must follow the number of courses for
each semester required to progress normally from year to year. Normally,
the period of subsidy will be four years if accepted from high school or
Collège d'enseignement général et professionnel (CEGEP) with the credits
required for admission to an approved programme of studies at a Canadian
university. The period will be five years for those accepted from high
school, secondary school or CEGEP at the level one year less than that
required for admission to an approved programme of studies at a Canadian
university, or if the candidate is selected to attend a university at which
the accepted degree programme takes five academic years to complete. The
period will be three years for those accepted for a general Baccalaureate
programme at a university that will grant such a degree after three
academic years. The maximum period of subsidization is five years. Should a
member be enrolled with part of a degree programme completed, the period of
subsidization will be only that time required to complete the programme
with a full complement of courses each semester.



Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BC Old Guy on August 10, 2007, 00:13:30
No.  If you go to civy university then you have to pay your own room and board.  Those that are in military college have deductions from their pay to account for the cost of rations and quarters.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Quag on August 18, 2007, 19:24:13
Correct.  You pay for your Room and Board out of your salary (You will more than likely need a loan, as OCdt. salary is often times not enough, depending on how you live and where you live).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Not_So_Arty_Newbie on August 18, 2007, 19:48:06
Hey, I was just wondering does ROTP pay for residence if u go to a civi university, Thxs.
Just an off topic word to the wise, lose the msn speak around these parts, tends to go over not well at all with some.  To be fair though this ones mighty minor compared to others.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MC on August 25, 2007, 11:17:45
I think I actually get some compensation for my rent. Something like 160 bucks a month. It varies depending on where you live, I forget what they refer to it as.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Inch on August 25, 2007, 11:35:19
I think I actually get some compensation for my rent. Something like 160 bucks a month. It varies depending on where you live, I forget what they refer to it as.

Post Living Differential, or PLD for short. It varies greatly between locales, Halifax is $374 a month while other places are next to nothing.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on August 25, 2007, 17:59:18
I think I actually get some compensation for my rent. Something like 160 bucks a month. It varies depending on where you live, I forget what they refer to it as.

That has zero to do with the subject at hand.......
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MC on August 25, 2007, 18:04:11
That has zero to do with the subject at hand.......

Actually, it does. If I still stayed with my parents or was at RMC and stayed on campus, I wouldn't get it.  Therefore, you could consider that ROTP does cover part of my rent. Didn't think I'd have to spell it all out.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on August 25, 2007, 18:10:07
Actually, it does. If I still stayed with my parents or was at RMC and stayed on campus, I wouldn't get it.  Therefore, you could consider that ROTP does cover part of my rent. Didn't think I'd have to spell it all out.

In a round-about way, sure...

PLD is not there to compensate you for your rent.  It is there to compensate you for the difference in cost of living in your area.

As for the last part of your comment, kepp it coming .....see how long that lasts
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MC on August 25, 2007, 19:02:48
In a round-about way, sure...

PLD is not there to compensate you for your rent.  It is there to compensate you for the difference in cost of living in your area.

As for the last part of your comment, kepp it coming .....see how long that lasts

Threats now? Bottom line, ROTP does help you out with living expenses, like rent, so thanks for the intervention, relevance police, but I think everything is under control here.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on August 25, 2007, 19:05:01
MC, what you get is PLD.   It's not only for ROTP, it's for everyone.  It's been explained earlier.  You get your 1400$ a month + PLD.

Max
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MC on August 25, 2007, 19:06:57
MC, what you get is PLD.   It's not only for ROTP, it's for everyone.  It's been explained earlier.  You get your 1400$ a month + PLD.

Max

I didn't get it while I still lived at home with my parents. Just trying to help the original poster out.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on August 25, 2007, 19:08:02
You're supposed to get it if you live off the shacks.  It's your right to claim it.  It's not automatic.

Max
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ArmyVern on August 25, 2007, 19:11:16
Threats now? Bottom line, ROTP does help you out with living expenses, like rent, so thanks for the intervention, relevance police, but I think everything is under control here.

Moderator Warning

There were no threats there at all. Just friendly advice; I'd suggest that you take it.

He explained to you what PLD is for. And, he was correct. It's an allowance and benefit that is paid to certain members, depending upon their geographic location. There's already plenty of threads on this site discussing PLD, and its who, what, how, where and why regarding entitlements.

From:

ArmyVern
Member of the Relevance Police
The Milnet.ca Staff
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 3rd Herd on August 25, 2007, 19:27:10
angrydevil ,
let me the be first to say welcome to the site. Since I see you are well versed with computers spend some time reading the new site members info. One of the things aside from the MSN/ short from is to remember to use spell check, the grammar police are even worse than the relevance police. ;)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Sareon on September 21, 2007, 00:11:50
Good Evening,

This is now my second year of university at a civilian university down here in Vancouver.  I am in the ROTP program and I have two questions.

My first one is that last year I have never needed to see a doctor while I was in university so that is why I do not know the answer to this.  My question is if I wanted to go see a doctor regarding some health issues how do I go abouts doing this?  Since there are no CFBs around here, I do not believe that there are any MIRs around here either.  Would I just go to a civilian doctor and give them my blue cross card?

My second question is I was wondering if it is possible or if other ROTP students have done an international exchange before while going through the program?  Because if it is not possible then I would like to know then I wont even bother asking my ULO or SEM how to go abouts doing it.  I know I am an officer and that is my job but I would like to do an exchange to another country for a semester for spring or fall and if it was not going to affect finishing my degree in four years and if I paid for it myself, would I be able to do an exchange?

Thanks.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Shamrock on September 21, 2007, 00:29:57
My second question is I was wondering if it is possible or if other ROTP students have done an international exchange before while going through the program?  Because if it is not possible then I would like to know then I wont even bother asking my ULO or SEM how to go abouts doing it.  I know I am an officer and that is my job but I would like to do an exchange to another country for a semester for spring or fall and if it was not going to affect finishing my degree in four years and if I paid for it myself, would I be able to do an exchange?

None of your training can be done out of Canada.  This includes academic.  You should be provided all this information during your SEM briefs.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Sareon on September 21, 2007, 01:03:53
I should have probably mentioned that my support base, Area Support Unit Chilliwack does not have an MIR, and for the members there, they have to go to a local civilian clinc in town.  I believe the closest MIRs to Vancouver are at CFB Esquimalt or CFB Comox which are both on the island requiring a long distance to drive and a two hour ferry.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MedCorps on September 21, 2007, 01:04:11
I am not sure if they changed the rules for ROTP (Civi U) since I finished in 1998.  But I did good chunks of my academic schooling on exchange in the USA  via an agreement with my home university and the blessing of the CF / ULO.  The USA is not as sexy as some international schooling, but hey, it was international nonetheless <smile>.  

Give it a try, the worst they will say is no.

With respect to a doctor, you should call the MIR at your support base (even if it is some distance away, they are still responsible for you) and ask them what to do / how billing is sorted out.  They might even have something sorted out with a family doctor in your area.  It is better to ask in advance, then find out you misused your Blue Cross card for a routine health concern, when another arrangement was in place.  

Cheers,

MC
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: old medic on September 21, 2007, 01:19:23
Try the Vancouver MIR

VANCOUVER

CF H Svcs C (P) Det Vancouver
4050 4th Ave W
Vancouver B.C., V6R 1P6

Medical Reception
Telephone: (604) 225-2520 ext 2504

Dental Reception
Telephone: (250) 363-4149

http://www.forces.gc.ca/health/services/hig/engraph/base_addresses_e.asp
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BC Old Guy on September 21, 2007, 17:06:10
As well, you should have your Blue Cross Card, that you use instead of the provincial health card that your fellow students use when they need to go to the doctor.  The staff at the clinic in Jericho should be able to give some advice on who would be good to see, as there are a number of us in the same situation.  If you don't have a Blue Cross Card, call the ULO at ASU Chilliwack to get the info on how to get one for yourself.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Sareon on September 21, 2007, 18:55:03
I have my Blue Cross Card, I've had it for a while.  I don't even know where my provincial health care card is now so that is not a problem.  The Clerk at the ULO told me I can just go see my family doctor but I think it would be better if I just went to the MIR at Jericho.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Ouklae on September 26, 2007, 15:38:51
None of your training can be done out of Canada.  This includes academic.  You should be provided all this information during your SEM briefs.

Are you sure about it as I'm not sure about civi U but I have heard of several opportunities at RMC with those on the ROTP to go on exchanges with other countries.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Japexican on October 02, 2007, 00:00:15
The US exchanges are done with the military academies in the states (army, navy, air force) and sponsored by the mil col.  I'd ask your ULO, since it has been done (I know a girl that did a full year at IIT in India).  As long as you can prove that you will be able to graduate on time and it won't cost anything extra for the military, you might be able to get the military to give you the thumbs up.  However, that is just another OCdt's opinion and I don't get paid much for it.

Cheers, and good luck
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MedCorps on October 03, 2007, 15:10:04
I did international schooling while at civi-U and it was well worth my time.  I am not sure about other professions, but in the health care field, if you want to learn about trauma - you go where the violence is.  If you want to learn about how to manage care for the socioeconomically depressed - you go where the poor are.  If you want to see infectious diseases - you go where people have infectious diseases.  All of these skills were enhanced for me by seeking schooling in areas where I could find an abundance of patients, diseases, and experts to learn from. 
 
Do you think these are valuable skills for someone who deploys overseas to have? You bet, and my skill set would not be strong if I did not seek out exchanges while in ROTP and PGTP outside of Canada. 

I suspect the same is true for people studying conflict, history, languages, and development engineering

It is worth the experience (and even additional personal and financial cost), if the experience is of value to the service - and my patients. 

MC

<edit: spelling>
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: HYBRID on November 14, 2007, 05:02:59
As a serving member in the Canadian Forces Primary Reserves and a Commercially Licensed Helicopter Pilot with my degree underway through RMC Distance Study, I have applied for the Airforce under ROTP and am wondering what would be my best option:

1)RMC
2)University of Western Ontario
3)Simon Fraser University in BC where I live close to currently

I have 6 university credits already.

What would be the fastest and most beneficial?
Thanks for feedback.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on November 14, 2007, 07:25:36
You've SPAMMED this site with your questions.  Once is enough.

This is too much.  Any more and you and your question will be removed.


http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,67933.msg635880.html#msg635880

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Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: stefwills on November 24, 2007, 11:32:31
Do anyone know if Memorial University in St. Johns Newfoundland is a CF accredited university. Also, does the CF need a reason to send you away to school, even if the tuition is much cheaper?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Shamrock on November 24, 2007, 12:44:24
Do anyone know if Memorial University in St. Johns Newfoundland is a CF accredited university.

Yes, there are several members currently attending MUN; the CDS is a MUN alum.

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Also, does the CF need a reason to send you away to school, even if the tuition is much cheaper?
What?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: stefwills on November 24, 2007, 21:10:29
Sorry.
I am currently a student in Ottawa, but I will be going to MUN next year, and I was wondering if it was a problem with me going to school in Newfoundland.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Corps of Guides on June 10, 2008, 17:10:39
Yes, I know this is a necro post, but I don't believe it merits a new thread.

I was looking through medical categories for things like "parachutist" and "submariner", and various traits are listed, like a CF occupation has required traits.  Does anyone know if this means (in the case of a parachutist) that when it says V3, a Vision Category of "3" would be required to take the CF BPara course, or is this the Cat to be employed in a jump position within a Jump Coy?  I'm a V4 and would like to have my ducks in a row before I approach my SEM, etc. with a "stupid" question.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Blackadder1916 on June 10, 2008, 18:04:41
Does anyone know if this means (in the case of a parachutist) that when it says V3, a Vision Category of "3" would be required to take the CF BPara course, or is this the Cat to be employed in a jump position within a Jump Coy?  I'm a V4 and would like to have my ducks in a row before I approach my SEM, etc. with a "stupid" question.

Why would someone be loaded on a para course if they are unable to be employed as such because they do not meet the minimum medical standard for parachutist?  Basic para is not there to provide adventurous training for those who want it; it is run because there is bonafide need.  If it says a parachutist needs to be V3, that also applies to the training.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Corps of Guides on June 10, 2008, 18:10:06
Stupid question asked, stupid question answered.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: lou-reed on June 10, 2008, 19:02:17
I was in a similar situation to yours a few years ago.  Here is what I would suggest:

As already previously mentioned - take care of the OPMEs as soon as possible.  They will be difficult to complete once you are on phase training and equally as difficult once you are at a Battalion. 

In my opinion, doing OJT at a Battalion may not be such a good idea.  I have done a lot of OJT as a commissioned officer awaiting training at the LT rank level (I was a former NCM).  I was left alone because of my rank but I saw alot of OCdts and 2LTs get "the shaft" - from both officers and NCMs.  If you want to do OJT that is fine but be prepared for a potential let-down of expectations.  From my experience, the Battalions are not as busy in the summer (apart from summer taskings, etc...) but summer is generally a more relaxed time - just because of block leave and the lack of company and BN exercises.     

Technically, you do not have a career manager per se, as the official career managers do not have you on their files until you are MOC qualified and off the BTL.  Therefore all your requests are handled through the SEM and ULOs.  Therefore, you really become your own career manager.  You need to figure out what your priorities are and then request through your chain of command assistance to get you where you need to be - be it a para course or registration for OPMEs. 

Make sure you put the SEM and ULO to work.  Ensure that they understand what you want.  Make sure you do all the leg work and research prior to making any requests but make sure they give you what you need.  You may have to accept NO as their response to your requests but ensure that they can give you a reason why.

I hope my two cents worth has been of some help

Good luck       
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: oinkoink69 on July 04, 2008, 10:18:02
Well, my friend with the LERs in Edmonton said that the best way is if you know someone who knows someone at the CPC, and they can tell the Adj there to load on the next course. Sometimes calling the Trenton base and just finding extensions for the school might dig up some good leads! Sometimes, the Army helps those who help themselves!

Hoooah!

Oinkoink69
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Fishbone Jones on July 04, 2008, 10:43:00
Well, my friend with the LERs in Edmonton said that the best way is if you know someone who knows someone at the CPC, and they can tell the Adj there to load on the next course. Sometimes calling the Trenton base and just finding extensions for the school might dig up some good leads! Sometimes, the Army helps those who help themselves!

Hoooah!

Oinkoink69

Cutting channels will land you in hot water. Never mind the second hand info and rumours. Just stick with your Ops and CofC. Schools don't like cold calls from prospective candidates.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: oinkoink69 on July 04, 2008, 10:57:46
Cutting channels will land you in hot water. Never mind the second hand info and rumours. Just stick with your Ops and CofC. Schools don't like cold calls from prospective candidates.

Do you work at a school? Like I said, it worked well for my friend - he had his jump wings on show at the last parade, and it was da bomb!  :salute:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on July 05, 2008, 17:48:50
Do you work at a school? Like I said, it worked well for my friend - he had his jump wings on show at the last parade, and it was da bomb!  :salute:

It wouldn't be the first time, and surely not the last, that a person may have sewn on Jump Wings without earning the Qualification.  Sometimes they simply receive a slap on the wrist and told to take them down; sometimes they are charged under the NDA and face serious financial repercussions.  Whatever the story, even "Legs" have no time for this type of "Poser".
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: albe8660 on July 17, 2008, 10:35:36
Also... dont you need some BASIC courses before you can even be considered for Basic Para? I mean... completing your MOC may be a good way to go? I've been waiting for years to get on a Para course. The chances for PRes MedTechs were slim then, and it's even slimmer now, that I'm an HCA.

Actually you don't need to have your moc training complete b4 you do basic para. they will take you moc into account when considering you as a potential candidate for the course. clearly if you are any cmbt arms trade you have a better chance of getting on the course. how ever they may require cap b4 you can even be considered to be put on the waiting list. just keep talking with you sem and use any contacts you may have in an attempt to get on the course.

Shane
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: albe8660 on July 17, 2008, 11:21:39
I did a search and missed it, IF SO, please delete my thread.
 
In Canadian Colleges/Universities you have
a 3 yr degree and a 4 yr degree. Im still trying to figure that
out. So my question in relation to ROTP is, Do you need the 4 yr degree
or will the 3 yr degree work as well?


You can do a 3 yr prgm at civ u pending your sem's approval. I just got approval to do a 3 yr general arts degree. however it is not recommended to do a 3 yr program if you are going to attempt to become a sr officer b/c one of the considerations for promotion to maj is your education level. also i would look into doing OPME's before you graduate uni b/c you will have to do them later on in your career.

Shane
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on July 17, 2008, 18:02:59
When it comes to Civie U some people who take far too many courses in their first year and over their summers can manage to shave off some time off their degree yet still earn the full amount of credits of a 4 year bachelor's degree, however doing so puts significant mental stress on those people and they often become reclusive hermits, which are not the type of people to become officers.

If it is a specific program tailored to be 3 years long i.e. less overall credits, that would be something you would have to ask the CFRC when you apply.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: AlphaQup on July 18, 2008, 11:20:04
You can do a 3 yr prgm at civ u pending your sem's approval. I just got approval to do a 3 yr general arts degree. however it is not recommended to do a 3 yr program if you are going to attempt to become a sr officer b/c one of the considerations for promotion to maj is your education level. also i would look into doing OPME's before you graduate uni b/c you will have to do them later on in your career.

Shane
I always thought university education level was only important beyond the rank of maj. That going to Col and above required a masters degree or PhD.

This site states: http://www.forces.ca/v3/engraph/jobs/jobs.aspx?id=23
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The Regular Officer Training Plan (ROTP) comprises a full undergraduate education (to the Bachelor’s degree level) at the Royal Military College of Canada ...
For my honours it's required that I take 6courses a semester instead of the 5 per semester for bachelors(or you can stay a 4th year if you take 5 courses a semester). Would it not be the same for RMC and civilian uni's?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on July 18, 2008, 13:50:15
A normal course load at UBC (Which is what I'm going to use as an example since I'm going there and so I know the system) is 5 courses per semester for 4 years. That is the normal amount of time it should take to receive a standard bachelor's degree with a single major. In order to achieve an honours degree, more 300 and 400 level courses are required in order to achieve the degree, which often means the degree can run into a 5th year. It is the same amount of credits (30 per year) however there are only 2 years in which students normally take their upper level courses (3rd and 4th year) which means taking more can create the need for at least an extra semester.

Summer semester courses can remove this extra burden, however for ROTP your summers are taken up with military training which removes that option. The requirements for an honours degree are often the same as those for a double major where the honours degree represents an intense focus in a single subject area, and the double major represents a normal major focus in two.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Technoviking on July 18, 2008, 14:19:20
Diversity is a wonderful thing.  I went to UWO (Go Stangs!) as a UTPNCM candidate.  At Western, a BA was a three year program, with certain academic requirements, and so forth.  A BA (Honors) was a four year program, with higher academic requirements.  As for ROTP, a 3 year degree 'can be done'.  A fellow UT wasn't doing so well, and dropped from a BA (Honors) programme to a BA programme.
As for your rating once completed, a BA = BA (Honors) as far as meriting, etc.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on July 19, 2008, 13:55:16
The only benifit of an honours degree comes when you start looking at graduate studies. Many universities want a person to have an honours degree in their major in order to qualify.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on August 20, 2008, 18:15:40
I was wondering who else is taking the plunge to attempt to become an officer in the Canadian Forces in this year's round of selection? The selection is in mid-January and entails going to IAP in the summer of '09 if you are selected and then heading out to the institution of your choice the following fall.

I'm curious if you guys are wanting to attend RMC or not, and which 3 trades you are trying for. Personally, I'm an RMC hopeful and I am putting Infantry, Artillery, and Armour on my application, but I'm not 100% certain on the order as of yet.

Post your stuff, and maybe we can keep in contact just in case we meet up at IAP in the summer.  :D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on August 21, 2008, 19:42:58
I'm looking to attend RMC in the Fall of '09. I'll probably be looking at those same trades although I have thought about MARS and Pilot.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Smitty1690 on August 31, 2008, 19:50:21
Hey,
Im hoping to attend RMC in fall 09' as well. 1. Pilot 2. Mars 3. ???
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on August 31, 2008, 22:19:51
 Sweet.

 I'm 1. Infantry 2. Artillery 3. Armour

 I currently have most of the paper work filled out; I just need my references. Hoping to start the process by the second week of October.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on August 31, 2008, 22:22:20


 I'm 1. Infantry 2. Artillery 3. Armour



Cool. I had forgotten what your trade choices were since the first post of this thread  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on August 31, 2008, 22:26:18
 The order was undecided at the start of the post  :o
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Smitty1690 on September 01, 2008, 03:47:00
yeah good to get it done early, or so I hear. I'll be trying to transfer from first year uni, what about u guys?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 01, 2008, 04:05:56
 I'm going into my final year of high school.

 The recuiters said to have it in ASAP because the selection board is in mid-January and the application process might take a while.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on September 02, 2008, 13:09:26
Been out a few years myself...and by a few I mean I graduated highschool in 2002. ;)

I was in a CEOTP entrence program last year; Decided against it in the end for a number of reasons.

The military is pretty much the only thing I've ever had a passion for and the only thing thats continually kept my interest, so now I'm back applying for ROTP 2009-2010.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 02, 2008, 16:15:22
 Awesome. Are you going to try to keep the same MOC?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on September 02, 2008, 18:40:09
Most likely.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Vagrant on September 03, 2008, 22:33:47
Without a doubt, I'm going to submit my application and hope for the best. I'm in IB (a two-year program) and my marks last year certainly weren't what they could have been, but I've only tested out of Chemistry and History and that shouldn't affect my hopes too much of getting into a Mechanical/Aeronautical Engineering program. That being said I personally think I have a great reference in that I'm a shift manager at McDonald's at the age of 17, which is not something to shrug off. I carry a lot of responsibilities and I believe this alone has given me leadership abilities that will hopefully be looked upon by the local CFRC and the sitting board. Not to mention my Creativity/Activity/Service I do for IB (swimming, basketball, piano, etc.), I really think that my extra-curriculars should make up a bit for marks that aren't up to par. I'm really hoping that I get in, though I'm currently trying to switch over to the "don't be disappointed if you don't make it" even though selection is so far away!

That being said I'm going to try to get into Engineering, would go to RMC and take Mech./Aero. Engineering but would prefer to stay local with my friends, keep in contact with the local base, and spend my summers doing the military work. I can work for the military for the rest of my life, but I can only enjoy university once!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on September 10, 2008, 16:12:57
I will be, Combat arms most likely but not 100%


When is the application timeline this year
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on September 10, 2008, 16:17:31
As they said...I believe selection is mid-Jan. As of right now I don't think the new ROTP application forums are out yet(at least at my local CFRC), but I think it's best your application be completed by late November?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on September 10, 2008, 17:00:14
I really think that my extra-curriculars should make up a bit for marks that aren't up to par.

Academic results are assessed to determine if you are acceptable to RMC by RMC and your "extra-curriculars" don't help during that phase of selection.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on September 10, 2008, 23:08:17
As they said...I believe selection is mid-Jan. As of right now I don't think the new ROTP application forums are out yet(at least at my local CFRC), but I think it's best your application be completed by late November?

oh i know. i meant like when are they accepting the applications. I was gonna send in early but im not sure when they will start taking them.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on September 10, 2008, 23:14:26
Ask your CFRC/D when they are accepting ROTP applications.  Usually it is in the early fall. Walk it in don't send it in.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Vagrant on September 11, 2008, 16:28:41
I really think that my extra-curriculars should make up a bit for marks that aren't up to par.

Academic results are assessed to determine if you are acceptable to RMC by RMC and your "extra-curriculars" don't help during that phase of selection.
I don't mean that my marks will be below the accepted level, they will be not only above but in an advanced program nonetheless (hoping for special consideration for IB). I just mean that my extra-curriculars are numerous and I'm hoping that they'll look at me as having a good mark and great extra-curriculars, and not just as a good mark.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: jaredmellow on September 11, 2008, 20:53:30
Hey,
Im hoping to attend RMC in fall 09' as well. 1. Pilot 2. Mars 3. ???


If you don't want MARS do not put it on your application. Theya re desperate for MARS officers and not so much for pilots so if you have MARS anywhere on your app odds are you will get it
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Smitty1690 on September 11, 2008, 23:05:15
If you don't want MARS do not put it on your application. Theya re desperate for MARS officers and not so much for pilots so if you have MARS anywhere on your app odds are you will get it

I meant to put the confused face in for my number 3 slot, not that i was confused about the MARS choice. I think I'd be pretty happy with MARS, so its good for me that the military is desperate
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 14, 2008, 18:28:59
The military is desperate for pilots as well, don't kid yourself.

That being said, if you put in something that is not in high demand (I dunno what I can use as an example...) as your first choice, and two high demand jobs below it, it makes no difference on your chances for your first choice. If they are taking 20 applicants for your first choice, and you are ranked in the top 20, then you will get that trade. Only if you are not in the top 20 will they start to consider you for your other choices.

Anyway, they no longer award you your trade until after the first year anyway. You will be assigned to an occupational grouping that has a number of related trades in it (aka land occupations which is the combat arms and engineers). After your first year you will be asked again which trade you want out of those trades, and they will come back to you and say "you have been accepted for x trade." That trade may not be any of the 3 you originally picked on your initial application. If you are satisfied with the assigned trade, you accept. If you are not satisfied, you do not accept and you exit the ROTP program with no obligations, financial or otherwise. If you accept, then from then on you cannot quit the program or your obligatory service without financial obligations and some other obligations.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: JimMorrison19 on September 14, 2008, 18:52:31
I wish I was going to be able to apply with everyone for next fall. Anyone know how badly the military needs Aerospace Engineers and CELE?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 14, 2008, 21:40:21
 I'm pretty sure we won't get our actual trades for a while(if at all, if we don't get accepted)... I think we get put in groups(Land Ops, Air Ops, Sea Ops, etc...) based on our trade choices, and then later get put into our specific trades based on the aptitude and merit that we display.

 For example, I chose Infantry, Artillery, and Armour. I will likely be placed in the Land Ops group(if I get qualify for the relevant trades). My trade will be decided before I do my trade training.

 Does anyone have any info on this new ROTP system? I've read a bit about it, but I don't know anything extensive enough to post. If nothing turns up, I'll ask at the recruiting center later this week(I'm bringing my application in by hand this week. I have to skip school and drive two hours to do this, but meh.).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 14, 2008, 22:24:50
what do you want to know about it... I'm from the first class that got enrolled under the new system.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 14, 2008, 23:20:18
 Cool. I was wondering:

1. When assigned an occupational group, can you choose the trade within it that you want to be when the time comes? To what extent?
2. Does the order on your application affect what trade you will get if more than one trade is within that occupational group?

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on September 14, 2008, 23:57:44
Cool. I was wondering:

1. When assigned an occupational group, can you choose the trade within it that you want to be when the time comes? To what extent?
2. Does the order on your application affect what trade you will get if more than one trade is within that occupational group?



1. You have interviews in the spring related to what your actual trade will be. You may also at this time switch occupational groupings and element if you so desire. These interviews will take into account your school marks from the past year (your first year at RMC) and your military training. If the trade they offer isn't what you want, you may ask to be released without penalty up to the first academic day of your second year at RMC.

2. The interviews will determine what trade you will be assigned to. The order of your trade selections may or may not influence the interviewers decision. Its all based on what they think is best for:

a) what trade they think your suitable for
b) the needs of the CF.

I have also heard rumblings from someone that the process might change again this year (or next) because they don't like the new way of doings things already...

Feel free to ask more questions. I'll try (along with other people) to keep answering questions as I can.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Lumber on September 15, 2008, 00:20:24
I have also heard rumblings from someone that the process might change again this year (or next) because they don't like the new way of doings things already...

I heard that they might decide not to keep the new college uniforms (whenever we get them) because they don't like the idea of them already...

Oh wait, never mind, I was just dreaming....:D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 15, 2008, 01:06:49
Cool. I was wondering:

1. When assigned an occupational group, can you choose the trade within it that you want to be when the time comes? To what extent?
2. Does the order on your application affect what trade you will get if more than one trade is within that occupational group?

already answered pretty good but I'll throw my own 2 cents in just because.

1. It all depends on what you're studying... If you are studying business and you put down Logistics as your first choice, and get thrown in the Support grouping, well... I'm pretty sure Logistics is the only trade within that grouping that business is an acceptable degree... So you don't have a choice then, you'll know you're going to get an offer for Logistics in a year's time.

But if you get thrown into a group where your education is acceptable for 2 or 3, then yeah, you can change the order of preference, but that's not garunteeing you're going to get an offer for your first choice (unless your first choice is infantry.... then its a garuntee haha) either. But at least then you can number them. For instance, anybody that gets thrown in the land operations grouping, which is the combat arms, will be able to rank all of them according to preference since any degree is acceptable for all of them.

And then it comes down to your performance throughout the year, your interview, all that good stuff, on what offer(s) they make.

2. Technically speaking I've always been told that if your 1st choice is something, they will only consider you for your 2nd or 3rd choices if they deem you are not the better candidate for your 1st choice. That being said, I've always suspected and still do to an extent that if they see you've got Infantry as your 2nd choice and something in a small demand as your 1st choice, they would be tempted to try and get you to go into Infantry since thats where the greatest need is... But that is just my personal opinion and is not according to the actual policy.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 15, 2008, 01:20:24
 But you can change your order of preference(if you have a choice) before you get your offer?

 I was also wondering about how RMC works. What are the schedules for classes like? Are your evenings and weekends off? How does getting out into Kingston work? Are there certain days/times you can leave, or can you leave anytime your free?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Lumber on September 15, 2008, 01:40:17
I was also wondering about how RMC works. What are the schedules for classes like? Are your evenings and weekends off? How does getting out into Kingston work? Are there certain days/times you can leave, or can you leave anytime your free?

Well, we havn't had a published, up-to-date copy of the Cadet Wing Instructions (CADWINS) for some time now, so I can tell you what the exact "rules" on this are. But, the way it actually "works" here is this:
Classes:
-Classes start at 8am and go until 1630. That doesn't mean you will actually have class that entire time. Depending on you're program you can have anywhere from no spare (empty) periods during the day, to having a whole day or two during the week free (lucky psyche students...).
- First year for arts students is the busiest, with each subsequent year becoming less busy.
- For engineers, it's really busy in first year, and stays that way through graduation.
- Science students are somewhere in between.
- Example, my one friend, an engineer, has 34 hours of class in a week, I, a business student, have 18 (that's counting PE class), and I have one friend who finishes class for the week on Thursday at 1300.

Evenings:
- You get every evening off. You might be on a varsity team and have practice, or twice a week for 'most' of the year we have Intramural sports that can go to 2000-2100. Each sport only plays 1hr games, but if you're game doesn't start until 2000, you might not be "done" for the evening until after that.

Weekends:
- Every now and then we have a duty "weekend". This might be because there's a college wide sport's day, because USMA is visiting, because we're going to the rifle range, or because of some other event. Around the event (i.e. the night before, the night of, the day after) you're free to go just like any other weekend.

Leaving the campus:
- As long as you're not skipping class or some other thing that you're required to be at, you can leave the college as often as you want. To leave the Kingston area, however, you need a leave pass. How often people actually get those leave passes though is a whole other story. Since no attendance is taken on weekends, if you scamper off to Ottawa, Toronto or Montreal for the weekend, no one notices.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 15, 2008, 15:02:13
But you can change your order of preference(if you have a choice) before you get your offer?

 I was also wondering about how RMC works. What are the schedules for classes like? Are your evenings and weekends off? How does getting out into Kingston work? Are there certain days/times you can leave, or can you leave anytime your free?

Yes, you can change your order of preference before you get your offer. The whole point if these occupational groupings is to give you a year in the military lifestyle to learn more about the different options, so that you can make a better informed decision on your order preference before you do your interview and all that jazz.

As for RMC, I go to civie, and I dunno, personally I would recommend that, although I'm sure the recruiters won't. IMO, you lose out on one of life's best experiences (the college experience) which is just as enriching and educating as the actual classes, maybe even more so depending on the individual. I haven't run across too many people that went to RMC that thoroughly enjoyed it (now that I've said that I'm sure there will be a few that come running to its defense), and again, in my opinion, you can get more out of the normal college experience then you can out of the RMC experience.

There is a tendancy to see that the higher-ranking people in the military at the moment went through RMC, but in all seriousness, if believe in yourself that you will be a good competant officer (and you should, if you don't, then you shouldn't even apply) then you should be confident that you will get a fair promotion based on your performance over the course of your 5,10,15,25 year career instead of which school you went to. I can't speak for the mean green machine but I think it would or at least should share the opinion that any kind of trivial stereotyping between RMC and Civie U is not going to get the military any further ahead or running as efficiently as it could.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 15, 2008, 15:43:36
 The problem is that I'm interested in the Military and Strategic Studies program(particularly Urban and Unconventional Warfare), and there are only two institutions in Canada that offer MSS, University of Calgary and RMC. So, not only is RMC closer, but it's more convenient(room/board are taken from the paycheck).

 Besides. fun is what you make of it. If they give me any form of freedom what so ever, I assure you that my friends(whoever they may be) and I will throughly enjoy it. I'm just that type of newfie.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 15, 2008, 17:03:17
Well my fellow Newfie, let me tell you that the U of C is one hell of a school to miss out on, as is the city of Calgary. If I didn't want to come back to the motherland to study at MUN just because its the motherland, Calgary was my obvious pick.

But to each their own...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on September 15, 2008, 17:48:33
I was also wondering about how RMC works. What are the schedules for classes like? Are your evenings and weekends off? How does getting out into Kingston work? Are there certain days/times you can leave, or can you leave anytime your free?

Another thing to consider is that RMC Saint-Jean is now reopened. What this means is that you can end up there for prep year and first year or just for the first year. Contrary to popular belief, we are around 50-50 when it comes to who's French and who's English. The way classes work in St-Jean is pretty similar except we finish school at 1700 instead of 1630. Just to give you an idea, I'm in arts and I have 29 hours of class a week.

Also, to leave the campus during the week (Sunday to Friday at 1600) you have to be in uniform.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Lumber on September 15, 2008, 18:16:48
Also, to leave the campus during the week (Sunday to Friday at 1600) you have to be in uniform.

You can't leave the campus before 1600? Even if you're done classes for the day, or have some spares during the day?

Being in uniform isn't surprising, first years here (once they're done FYOP) are "required" to be in uniform when they go into town.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 15, 2008, 18:41:44
Well my fellow Newfie, let me tell you that the U of C is one hell of a school to miss out on, as is the city of Calgary. If I didn't want to come back to the motherland to study at MUN just because its the motherland, Calgary was my obvious pick.

But to each their own...

 Hmmm... Now you've sparked my interest. What was the ROTP process like for MUN?

 I have to make a lot of decisions finalized by Friday, the day when I bring all my paperwork to the CFRC. Looks like I'm writing a list of questions for the CFRC and reading around here for a couple more days. Yay  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 15, 2008, 19:23:06
The process is no different in any way shape or form... where are you currently residing?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 15, 2008, 19:37:49
 Newfoundland.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 15, 2008, 20:05:46
Yeah I got that part, which part. I may be able to talk to you about it in person, which is something I sure would have wanted when I was applying.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on September 15, 2008, 20:23:01
You can't leave the campus before 1600? Even if you're done classes for the day, or have some spares during the day?

Being in uniform isn't surprising, first years here (once they're done FYOP) are "required" to be in uniform when they go into town.

Your not supposed to leave until 1600. Even if you have spares like me...

Your "required" to be in uniform during the weekend?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 15, 2008, 21:06:34
I live at one of the most western points of NL... The Port-Aux-Port Peninsula.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Lumber on September 15, 2008, 21:09:55
Your "required" to be in uniform during the weekend?

During 90% of first year, cadets have to be in uniform ANYTIME they leave the campus. I said "required" because many times they get caught in town not in uniform, which means there are even more times that they don't get caught in town not in uniform.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 15, 2008, 21:11:27
bms, lucky for you i am doing my first 1.5 years at grenfell in CB.

let me know if you want to hook up and i'll let you know everything from my own experience.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 15, 2008, 21:33:10
 Well, I am heading down that way on Friday @ 1000, expecting to arrive at the CFRC @1200. I will weigh out the pros and cons for my choice by Friday.

  I am interested in your experience, though due to the distance issues(Corner Brook is 2 hours away) and my tight schedule(I have to skip school on Friday to hand in my paperwork and get the relevant documents photocopied), I doubt I can fit in a meet.

 However, I was wondering one thing about Civi U: You apply to the university of your choice(MUN), and you apply for ROTP. Which acceptance do you get first? And how does paying your tuition, room, and fees work?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on September 15, 2008, 21:54:27
During 90% of first year, cadets have to be in uniform ANYTIME they leave the campus. I said "required" because many times they get caught in town not in uniform, which means there are even more times that they don't get caught in town not in uniform.

I'll consider myself lucky then. First years in St-Jean are not required to be in uniform on Friday's and Saturday's while in town.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 16, 2008, 00:48:40
Well, I am heading down that way on Friday @ 1000, expecting to arrive at the CFRC @1200. I will weigh out the pros and cons for my choice by Friday.

  I am interested in your experience, though due to the distance issues(Corner Brook is 2 hours away) and my tight schedule(I have to skip school on Friday to hand in my paperwork and get the relevant documents photocopied), I doubt I can fit in a meet.

 However, I was wondering one thing about Civi U: You apply to the university of your choice(MUN), and you apply for ROTP. Which acceptance do you get first? And how does paying your tuition, room, and fees work?

Why would you even bother wasting a day and money to hand in your application in person? That will not do anything for you. The people you hand in your application to will not be at the selection board and they will not be passing on any personal opinions of you or anything like that.

Mail your application, along with the necessary copies of the documents (birth certificate, SIN, drivers license... seriously just photocopy every document u have even if it doesn't ask for it, they will eventually). Then they will do your criminal record check, they will bring you in for your processing (aptitude test and "interview" [i use quotations because all its not actually an interview, just a bunch of questions of yes or no questions that you need to answer "yes" to in order to get your application accepted]. They will pay for you to come out for your processing, and when they do, you bring the originals of all those cards and documents out, and they will put a signature on the copies saying that they've seen the real ones.

You aren't going to win ANY brownie points for handing in your application in person. PERIOD. In fact, if you tell them you drove 2 hrs just to do it in person, I wouldn't be surprised if they told you what a stupid idea that was. (well that's a lie, the people at CFRC CB are cheerful happy people, but that's what I'd do). They're just going to say "thanks for the application, good luck."

But to answer those questions on which time you will get each letter, I can only speculate. I was out of high school and applied for the Winter 2008 term, so I applied and was accepted in October. Then I was notified of that I was selected for ROTP in like... March or April. But seriously, you don't need an acceptance letter from MUN to know if you are accepted. If you've got all your chromozones, maybe an extra one or two, you'll get accepted to MUN, and especially Grenfell.

As for paying tuition and fees, you will pay it and they will reimburse you. However, the ULO at St. John's seems to be making up for other not-so-great things that were happening before, so you might even get an AMEX card to pay all that stuff with anyway. I know she's sending me one that I can use from now on.

They will reimburse you for tuition, books, calculator, lab equipment, dictionary, and $150 per year of stationary. If you go to civie U, they won't pay for your accomodations, but no worries, you'll get a PLD of 380 bucks a month in St. John's plus your salary.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 16, 2008, 07:02:41
 Well, it really isn't just a CFRC trip... It's a day in CB with my friends. So, I figured I'd give the application in person and ask the questions I need answering in person(doesn't really work over the phone, the place is "closed" when I get home each day, and I'm not home when they call back).

 Plus I wasn't looking for any benefit from bringing the application in personally. The main thing it does is assures me that what I need to have is there and allows me to ask any questions I might have. Plus I was going to go to CB on Friday anyways, so it just makes sense to drop it off that day, rather than send it in the mail.

 Thanks for the advice though.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SMP on September 16, 2008, 22:19:04
In my opinion I think it is worth the effort of submitting your application in person. Especially if it is a small CFRC that you are dealing with; as there is a good chance that the officer you submit your application may be the one who conducts your interview and reccommends your file. Even if you just give it to the clerks, at least they can put a face to your file.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on September 17, 2008, 13:47:30
In my opinion I think it is worth the effort of submitting your application in person. Especially if it is a small CFRC that you are dealing with; as there is a good chance that the officer you submit your application may be the one who conducts your interview and reccommends your file. Even if you just give it to the clerks, at least they can put a face to your file.

In all honesty, I never saw the recruiter who I handed in my application to after that one brief time.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on September 19, 2008, 12:03:44
Handing in your application in person is the best thing you can do, because you can ask the most important question right then and there "Am I missing anything in my application package?" The recruiter can then look through it, make sure everything is filled out properly, and let you know if it isn't so you can fix it while you are still there. That can save you many trips.

You can also ask them questions while you are there, and as much as they aren't on the selection board, they still observe you because they are the ones who determine if you meet the requirements to even have your file sent to the selection board. So, go in, ask questions, be polite, and all is good.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 19, 2008, 18:30:12
 Well, I went into CFRC/D Corner Brook today. I brought everything with me. Here's how it went down:

 I went to the CIBC building. I took the elevator to the second floor and turned right to go down the hallway. I walked in and headed to the main desk. A PO1 came out of one of the back offices and initiated some small talk. I continued a brief conversation. After which, I said "I came by to hand in my application.". He took my legal-sized envelope which contained my References, Employment Application, ROTP Questionnaire, Security Clearance form, and transcripts. He looked through and made sure everything was properly filled out(which it was). He then asked me for my birth certificate and SIN, which he photocopied and included with my other forms and placed them in my envelope(which had a label with my name on it). He then told me that I should expect a call within a week or so with more information and that I could come by or call with any questions that I have about anything. I left, and continued on with my day.

 All in all, it took about 10 minutes, but I think it was worth it, just because, as Intelligent Design said, he made sure that I had everything I needed.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on September 20, 2008, 01:51:02
Glad it went well for you! Now you just get to wait for the coveted phone call to get the rest of the process rolling. They are usually pretty quick to call you back and let you know when you can come in for your exams.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 22, 2008, 21:39:31
as there is a good chance that the officer you submit your application may be the one who conducts your interview and reccommends your file.

The way ROTP is set up now, there is nothing you can do to "stand out" to the board except have a good resume/application. You don't even really have an interview until after the first year.

The "interview" for the application is just a "do you have any problems workign with people of other ethnicity/religion/race/culture" smish-shmortion yes-or-no style questions that you either answer correctly (between yes/no) or they don't pass on your file to the board since you aren't suitable for the CF ("would you have a problem killing somebody" is one of the questions, of course worded in a fancier way... you can bet if you say "yes" they are goign to toss out your file).

So again, I stand by what I said, there is no point in handing it in in person. No brownie points. None. The board will access the candidate based on his credentials and not by how brown his nose is. There will be plenty of time to get your nose brown once you are selected.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on September 24, 2008, 01:59:41
I still disagree with you. The benefits of handing in your application in person are far greater than those of mailing it in. Let us weigh the pros and cons of handing it in personally shall we?

Pros:
-You know your application has arrived at the CFRC/D, and is in the hands of the staff there.
-The staff will go over it to make sure you are not missing anything important right then and there.
-You have an opportunity to ask any questions you might have about the application process, or your file.
-Anyone want to add more?

Cons:
-You have to get to the CFRC/D

There are more pros than cons to this option. Mailing in your file means it could get lost, or delayed. You get no confirmation that they have received it, and if you are missing things, that's either more postage, or a trip down anyways. Even though you don't earn any points for showing up yourself as far as your official application goes, let me tell you as a person who has worked in customer service before, that the staff at the CFRC/D staff will like to see you if you arrive with a smile and good attitude.

Dress, deportment, and a good rapport with the staff are never bad things to establish.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on September 24, 2008, 16:37:06
Add one to the cons:

You have to drive 2-x amount of hours to get there, at your own expense, your own time, etc.

Subtract from the pros:
"If you are missing things, that's either more postage, or a trip down anyways."

If you are missing things, they will still arrange for your processing, and tell you to bring down "x" and "y" documents with you. This trip, will be on their dollars.

I don't disagree with you in a sense that it has its benefits. If you live within an hour of a CFRC, then it is worth it. Some of us, like bms who said he's 2 hrs away, and myself who was 500km away, 245 km of it on the most treacherous highway in Canada (highway 63), ddin't have that luxery. If you live 2 or more hours away, there's no way these little "perks" in case of any if's ands buts or ors, will make up for the trouble. It definately was not reasonable for me to drive 1000km in a day on my own time and money just so the recruiter could see my face, who ended up transferring my file to another CFRC anyway.

But whatever, our stance is pretty clear now, neither of us is budging, let's get back to the topic at hand.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on September 24, 2008, 16:47:01
 Hehe. Well, 2 hours from my house. I left from school, so 1 hour and 40 mins to the Corner Brook and 2 back. But, as I said, I was going to go to Corner Brook anyways.

 The next step in my process is to have all of my cadet course reports faxed to the CRFC. I need my course and staff ones, for whatever the reason. Confirmation of cadet service I would guess.

 Ah well, I'm one step closer ;).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on September 24, 2008, 23:18:34
That is interesting, they never asked me for any of my cadet records when I applied...

Also, I cede to the point that if you live that far away it isn't worth it on your own dime. I guess each of us was thinking a bit too much about our own experience and not stepping a few steps back to see the other point of view. I am only about an hour away from my CFRC so you can see why I'd say what I did. What would be more appropriate to say would be "If practical, it is a good idea to go in person."
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Michael Harrison on October 06, 2008, 01:27:58
I'm going to Civi U this year and start BMOQ next spring. I go to school in North Bay and am excited to go next year. I hope to see some of you in St Jean!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 07, 2008, 13:44:04
i just sent my email to them with my application. Now they want my Birth Cert and the P.S Form and References. They also want the App. signed when im up there. Its a 2 hour drive from my place, but im geussing there is no way around this and ill need to make the drive up. Correct?

Also, is there any benefit of getting the forms done early? (Oct area) or does it matter to them if they get it in november (or even early december). Im hoping to get up there next week if possible, but a trip is a trip... and $$. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on October 07, 2008, 14:47:53
 I think everything has to be done(CFAT, Medical, Interview, etc...) for the selection board in mid-January. So, IMHO, the earlier the better.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 07, 2008, 16:16:15
Yeah, they called me today and said i can send it all in by mail np. For your guy's references, did you give them resumes for them to use when they are called? Is it needed or just recommended, or is it even that useful to do? Also, when do references get called? Is it after January? Or before?

Thanks
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Michael Harrison on October 07, 2008, 18:21:03
I went through the application last year. The earlier the better for sure. Just make sure you have EVERYTHING done before the cutoff date. It might feel like you are doing everything three times (because you probably are). Just get it done, get your fitness up and I'll hopefully see you in St Jean.  :fifty:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on October 07, 2008, 19:38:03
 Well, my references know me pretty well, so I really didn't need to give them anything besides tell them I wanted to be an officer, my trade choices, and my insitution of choice.

 However, I would recommend it(each of references has know me for over 5 years... Basically a huge part of my life).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 07, 2008, 21:41:13
Did anyone actually put the other two civilian uni's as choices for your ROTP Questionnaire? I think ill just put RMC and say why.?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on October 07, 2008, 22:42:28
 Well, you can put 3 university choices. I put 1(RMC).

 However, for the essay, you write it about your #1 choice. whatever it might be.

 By the way, when the acceptences start coming out and we know who is going where and such, maybe we should all get to know something about each other so we'll have atleast some idea of what to expect on the course candidate side of things. Just a thought.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 07, 2008, 23:38:08
yea.

Also, this Junior and Senior Admission status slightly confuses me...

I got Honours w/ Distinction (90%+ Average) in my Highschool but i have not attended any post secondary schools. So should which should i be applying to? Senior?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Big Foot on October 07, 2008, 23:44:36
I'm somewhat dating myself, however, back in 2003 when I was accepted, i had an overall high school average of 87% with a strong extra-curricular background. Even though the recruiter had told me I would get senior applicant or nothing at all, that August I went to St. Jean for prep year. If RMC is what you have your sights set on, then apply for both. In my experience, I found that the whole prep year experience made things slightly easier for the transition from high school into a more regimented military lifestyle. That said, it's only my opinion.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 07, 2008, 23:52:47
i guess it depends all on your competition that year too?

I got that average, and ive worked for all of G12 and the end of G11. So thats good off-school work to consider... plus the other obvious stuff. So ill apply for Senior, if i get Junior... I could care less because id rather Junior then nothing -  for sure ^^

I'm applying for Arts most likely anyways.. and with my math marks (55 Adv in G11, 74 Academic + 77 Physics in G12 Nova Scotia.) i don't think they'd really want me in anything higher. Not that i could not do them, i just had no value of math. So i never took much care in it. (my loss) All my other grades were 85-95 area he-he.


Also, how many G12 courses do they use to determine your average? I heard it was 6 G12 courses that you have taken (presumably in either G11 or G12 if that was possible where u reside).  This true?

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on October 07, 2008, 23:53:51
I'm still waiting for the "new" ROTP questionnaire that is apparently supposed to come out for this year... but I'm not sure what's actually going on with that.

I'll probably just hand in the rest of my application for now.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 07, 2008, 23:57:00
New Questionnaire? I cant see it, they would have it out now since people are applying. Someone called from the National Office or something along that lines and email'd me a ROTP Questionnaire, im mailing in that and a whack of the other forms tommorow or thursday so i wont be waiting for a 'new' one :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on October 08, 2008, 00:15:11
Is it dated Oct 2007 at the top?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Big Foot on October 08, 2008, 00:19:01

I'm applying for Arts most likely anyways.. and with my math marks (55 Adv in G11, 74 Academic + 77 Physics in G12 Nova Scotia.) i don't think they'd really want me in anything higher. Not that i could not do them, i just had no value of math. So i never took much care in it. (my loss) All my other grades were 85-95 area he-he.
I hope you're not under the impression that being in the Faculty of Arts, you won't be doing any math. Unless things have changed drastically since I was in first and second year (as well as prep year) you'll be taking math.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 08, 2008, 00:24:05
Is it dated Oct 2007 at the top?

yes

I hope you're not under the impression that being in the Faculty of Arts, you won't be doing any math. Unless things have changed drastically since I was in first and second year (as well as prep year) you'll be taking math.

Oh no no i realize id be taking math and thats fine. With the motivation to pass RMC id do more then needed in the classes. I just meant that in the way as they'd want exceptionally better math and science marks from someone going into like... chemical engineering at RMC. lol.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Big Foot on October 08, 2008, 00:30:22
yes

Oh no no i realize id be taking math and thats fine. With the motivation to pass RMC id I'd do more then needed in the classes. I just meant that in the way as they'd want acceptionally exceptionally or substantially better math and science marks from someone going into like... chemical engineering at RMC. lol.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, however, I'm trying to drive home the point that if you're looking to go into the arts stream, regardless of which university you choose, you'd best work on your spelling and grammar.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 08, 2008, 00:34:55
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, however, I'm trying to drive home the point that if you're looking to go into the arts stream, regardless of which university you choose, you'd best work on your spelling and grammar.

oh i rarely use commas and such online, computer lingo junk. When im doing anything official i make sure everything is proper. And the whole acceptionally thing i caught right afterwards and fixed. Wasnt going to let a word as badly as that pass me by :P thanks tho. Must be off now tho, thanks for all the help.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Big Foot on October 08, 2008, 00:44:24
Here's a quotation from the Milnet.ca guidlines which can be found in the Administration portion of the forum:
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You will not use excessive webspeak, or other shorthand styles of typing. Please use English or French to the best of your ability; this makes it easier for those who are not posting in their native language.
I know it's the internet but, as per the regulations of this board, I suggest that when you post here, you make use of proper spelling and punctuation. I've been guilty of not following this in the past but in the interests of everyone who reads these threads and the forum in general, I suggest you follow the guidlines.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 08, 2008, 09:27:18
Here's a quotation from the Milnet.ca guidlines which can be found in the Administration portion of the forum:I know it's the internet but, as per the regulations of this board, I suggest that when you post here, you make use of proper spelling and punctuation. I've been guilty of not following this in the past but in the interests of everyone who reads these threads and the forum in general, I suggest you follow the guidlines.

Oh i didn't realize it was forbidden here. I'll be more courteous in my future posts then. :P Thanks. (we better get on topic though, hehe)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on October 08, 2008, 11:31:36
I'm in arts and I've done zero math! Thank goodness that UBC doesn't have a math requirement in the faculty of arts anymore. ;) Just so you know Marshall, if they want to release yet another new ROTP questionnaire, they will do so when they feel like it. 5000 people could have applied already, and 5000 people would get sent a new copy to complete. I had to fill out a new one before my file could get sent to Borden for processing last year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 08, 2008, 12:41:44
well if they send it out thats fine, i don't mind redoing it hehe
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on October 08, 2008, 13:48:21
 Just got a call from CFRC/D Corner Brook.

 My CFAT, Medical, and Interview is on Tuesday, October 21. I have to be there 0800. It's a 2 hour drive(so, 0500 wake up, 0545 leave).

 They did offer a hotel for Monday night, but I had to decline. The instructions I was given are: "...wear a collared shirt and no torn jeans or anything like that and take a pair of shorts for the medical, just incase." and "...take down your license plate number so we can reimburse you.".

 So, I'm all set... I'll have good or bad news soon   ;)

 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 08, 2008, 21:56:51
You will be fine. CFAT is not too much of a problem, medical is easy if you prepared. The interview is where i will be sweating. hehe.

I still gotta send in my forms, my last reference is taking awhile to respond.

GOOD LUCK
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 09, 2008, 10:21:19
does anyone know the when they use the references you send them? Is it before or after January? Or is it a couple weeks after you send in documents? couple weeks after interview?

Also, do we fill out the MOSID part on the ROTP Questionnaire before its mailed? or do we do that at the office?


(sorry for dbl post, did not realize no one had posted)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Michael Harrison on October 09, 2008, 14:11:55
When I joined it took awhile for them to call the references. I got all my info in by November. It was second term before they spoke to one of my references.  I believe it's up the the CFRC. You could probably just ask them. I know it seems like you might be annoying them but it is their job. I asked so many questions. It's a big commitment and not one to be made lightly. They should have all the info you need.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on October 09, 2008, 14:43:42
 I filled out the MOSID on my ROTP Questionnaire, and they didn't say anything against it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on October 09, 2008, 23:45:27
I didn't. Hopefully they just call if they needed. My friend in RMC still does not have one chosen heh.


Update: Just contacted a recruiter and he said its fine if its on or is not. As long as the applicant at least chose his desired professions.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on October 21, 2008, 14:56:06
 Alrighty... I had my CFAT, Medical, and Interview today.

 Everything went relatively well. Filled out the survey and the Drug Questionnaire when they got us all together. I was the only ROTP applicant there in a group of 8. After that we all did the CFAT. I feel I did okay on the verbal and spatial parts, but I feel very confident about the problem solving. After that, I had my medical(I was first in line). It was standard stuff. Height, weight, age. My blood pressure was taken(I was slightly hypertensive; must of been the lack of sleep and caffine), there was a vision test, a hearing test, a urine sample, and a general physical. Like I thought, I have 5 nice pieces of paper I have to mail back in 90 days or less. Visual Acuity(already filled out and ready to go), Musculo-Skeletal(my knee injury), Request For Release of Medical Information(slight hypertension(accredited to nervousness), foot problems(flat footed)), and a Headache Questionnaire(for answering "when I was younger(8-11 years old)). Hopefully I'll have all these forms done this week and sent off... I can't be merit listed until I have then sent in. After that, I was brought in to get my trip subsidized. Then, I was brought in for my interview. Fyi, the interview prep form is very useful for this. In my interview, I also signed my Terms of Service.

 I left at 5:30am this morning and got home at 2:30pm. All in all, it was a good day.

 Edit: First round of selections is in February.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on October 28, 2008, 20:49:42
Update: I severely sprained my ankle yesterday(hurray). However, I have a doctors appointment on November 6th to get my medical paper filled out by my family doctor. So, I'll be walking by then, and I'll have my papers filled out  ;D Win win situation  ;)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 03, 2008, 14:38:35
 Update: Today I recieved my subsidization check for my trip to the CFRC. Pretty good timing... Only 13 days.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 03, 2008, 22:16:40
Yeah my friend said they are usually good about paying back. She had to drive about 250km to the CFRC to apply last year. I will have to do the same when I am called up.. heh.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on November 04, 2008, 00:26:58
The CFRC is good about it... The ASU, not so much. I'm still waiting to get paid back for my text books from the start of the term...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 06, 2008, 13:08:40
 Update: Today I had my medical forms filled out and mailed them to the CFRC. It's great that the application process is over, but now I wait to see if everything is in order and if so, I'll wait anxiously for February  :-X
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 06, 2008, 13:30:33
February?

And I am still waiting to be called up heh. How long did it take for them to call you in for medical, CFAT, etc after you submitted your application into processing BMS?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 06, 2008, 14:54:26
 I submitted everything September 19. They called me on October 8(19 days after I handed everything in when I travelled to the CFRC) and told me my CFAT, medical and interview were all on October 21(32 days after I handed everything in when I travelled to the CFRC). So, it took just over a month going from handing in my papers to doing the rest of the application process(minus the 16 days I took to get my medical forms filled out by my family doctor).

 So yeah... CFRC/D Corner Brook must be fast or something because 32 days from hand-in to going in for the CFAT, medical, and interview seems speedy. Oh well. Hope this tells you what you wanted to know Marshall.

 By the way, all the information was posted in this thread. That's why I am so exact   >:D

 Edit: I said I'm waiting for February because thats first round of selections(late second or early third week of February).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 06, 2008, 18:41:33
Hmm ok, so I should expect mid november or early december if lucky. Thanks. And I was wondering bout February because I thought selection was in May.. But that is a nice thing to know that they start in February.. ha

Thank you
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 06, 2008, 19:31:11
 I forget the exact dates for the selection rounds(you can ask them, they do have the information), but the selection board is mid-Janurary and 1st round of selections is in February. I think there are 3 rounds of selection scheduled as well(if I do recall, which I might not ::)) which pertains to RMC, but maybe not exactly civy-U(I didn't ask any civy-U questions and therefore have no idea).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 06, 2008, 21:26:39
Eh sounds good. Better then my initial thought. Thanks BMS.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 07, 2008, 21:48:29
Just got called today, I am going up Tuesday night and having my processing done Wednesday at 08:00.

So its CFAC, Medical, and then Interview? Anyone wanna give me the rundown? tips?  :warstory:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 07, 2008, 22:12:54
 There's not a whole lot of specifics that anyone can say. But, I'll give you a few things I picked up through my process.

CFAT
- Don't sweat it too hard. It's not how well you do, it's how well you do compared to everyone else. What this means is that if the test is extremely difficult or you feel you bombed a section, don't worry too much about it. If it was really hard, you may have done relatively well, meaning you get what you want.
- The practice CFAT questions are a very good indicator of what to expect for the most part.
- Look through a bunch of romantic words(not romantic as in love), it may prove useful during a part of your CFAT.
- Brush up on your basic math skills and word problems(fractions, decimals, percents and adding, multiplying, and dividing using each).

Medical
- Be calm. Take a few minutes prior to your medical to just get relaxed(if you can). This will be beneficial because if your blood pressure is good, then you have 1 less form to get filled out by your family doctor.
- You may have to strip down for your medical(I had to) and then you will be examined. They will just go through the basics and check your joints, neck, and back. They also do a few more things, but it doesn't last very long.
- Make sure you have your headphones on properly for the hearing test. You really don't want to screw up because you didn't take that extra few seconds to check.
- Answer everything truthfully and to the best of your knowledge.

Interview
- The best advice is to use the interview preperation sheet to prepare. It really is useful; you'll understand why when you are done.
- Make sure you know some things about the trades you applied for.
- Be repectful, but don't be too rigid. They want to talk to you and for you to say what you mean about each question.
- Just take it easy. My interview was pretty much just the interviewer asking me questions and me answering them. I don't know what your's will be like, but that's how mine went.

 You will also likely fill out a survey on who/what you are(ethnicity, enrollment plan, part/fulltime, etc...) and what element and such you are going for. You also get to fill out a drug questionnaire. It includes a lot of stuff, so be honest. And, during your interview, you will have several forms and such you will have to read and sign(such as your Terms of Service).

 Hope this gives you something to work with  ;)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 07, 2008, 22:41:28
Jeeze I hope I do not have to go to my family doctor.. That would probably mean another trip up unless i could fax/email the info to them. I am only 19, so I can't see me needing too much else.

Thanks for the help BMS
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 07, 2008, 22:46:43
 I personally had a freaking paper for every medical blip I mentioned, no matter how old. I ended up with 6 papers to get filled out, which cost about $200 to get filled out(unsubsidizable).

 But if you haven't had any real diagnosis with anything severe, I wouldn't sweat it. And, if you keep calm, you won't have to take a trip just o have your blood pressure re-taken(Woo).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 07, 2008, 23:09:04
yeah. I do not have any conditions. They might bug me bout my eyes though, I think they are V2 still but who knows :D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on November 08, 2008, 03:25:21
Quick question about the medical
will they only want my family doctors records if think something is wrong or do they want them irregardless, also why don't they ask you to bring them in when you go for the medical, because they asked me for my latest report from my optometrist.
And what does it mean "bring shorts" do they mean like PT shorts or boxers?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 08, 2008, 09:24:28
just some comfortable and flexible shorts, they need it because they may strip ya down for examination. So if you want to be wearing something, id bring a pair :P

Just some running shorts or anything.. just do not bring jean shorts or something like that. hehe
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 08, 2008, 12:34:51
 I brought shorts. It didn't matter, I still had to strip down.

 They don't ask you to bring all of your medical records to the CFRC because A. Your medical may not be done by a medical doctor. and B. If you don't have anything previously or currently wrong with you, there is no need to go to your family doctor. You need your eye information so they can verify your Visual Acuity level. You will still get the standard eye test and the results of which will still be written down, but having the information there with you means you won't have to mail or come back later with a form to be filled out by your optometrist. If you have good vision already, then you don't need to go to an optometrist, unless you have glasses. In which case, they will want your visual information.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 10, 2008, 00:15:16
I brought shorts. It didn't matter, I still had to strip down.

 They don't ask you to bring all of your medical records to the CFRC because A. Your medical may not be done by a medical doctor. and B. If you don't have anything previously or currently wrong with you, there is no need to go to your family doctor. You need your eye information so they can verify your Visual Acuity level. You will still get the standard eye test and the results of which will still be written down, but having the information there with you means you won't have to mail or come back later with a form to be filled out by your optometrist. If you have good vision already, then you don't need to go to an optometrist, unless you have glasses. In which case, they will want your visual information.

Naked? I heard they only go to your undies if need be. Might of heard wrong though.

And I have glasses although they were mainly for reading overheads during school.. I never use them now, I will bring them but I hope I do not have to get junk from my optometrist just for that.

Also, for the Interview do you recommend fancying up a bit? I was planning to wear a dress shirt and jeans (not ultrabaggy of course). Would that work?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cheeky_monkey on November 10, 2008, 00:37:22
Also, for the Interview do you recommend fancying up a bit? I was planning to wear a dress shirt and jeans (not ultrabaggy of course). Would that work?

I wore a black dress shirt with a black ziped pullover and a (modern) white tie with dress pants and shoes. I was in the middle of the range, as there were people there in suits, and one person saw fit to show up in jeans.

Don't be the person in jeans.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 10, 2008, 02:09:51
 It is just to your undies.

 I wore a long sleeve collared shirt with slacks and shoes. When I went in, I was the only one wearing a collared shirt, the only one not wearing jeans, and the only one not wearing sneakers. The funny thing is the Corporal that phoned me said "Wear a collared shirt and for the love of God don't wear jeans". But meh, I was also the only Regular Force applicant, and also the only one applying ROTP(there was a CIC applicant there).

 I reccommend casual. Collared shirt and slacks with either sneakers or shoes, doesn't really matter. It looks nice and it's very comfortable, which is ideal due to the possible lengthy time at the CFRC and because you'll be more calm, collected, and confident if you are comfortable.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on November 10, 2008, 02:14:25
I wore a golf shirt, khakis and dress shoes when I went. The most dressed person was shirt and tie, and the least dressed person was hoodie and jeans, but the office staff told him to never wear that again when dealing with the military. I've also seen someone show up to my Area Support Unit for in clearance in a T-Shirt and jeans, and wow did the Sergeant ever chew him out for it haha.

Dress like a professional. You are trying to become an officer so if nothing else, start dressing like one.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on November 10, 2008, 04:40:06
Hm decisions decisions
Should I wear my School polo with khakis, or My dress shirt with my gray dress pants with the school senior tie.
The one time where going to a privet school pays off  :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 10, 2008, 09:36:32
eh I am just going to wear black collar shirt and dress pants.. got some loafers around here somewhere.. that should do ^^

no ties though.. but at least it is not jeans
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on November 10, 2008, 12:46:22
As long as you look clean, and presentable you should be fine. Ties are a nice touch but not necessary. It's simple, just make sure you look like you can actually dress yourself properly.

Focus and prepare for the part that counts, the interview. Know your trades; know why you want to join the CF; know what qualities will make you a good officer, etc.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 10, 2008, 14:41:37
As long as you look clean, and presentable you should be fine. Ties are a nice touch but not necessary. It's simple, just make sure you look like you can actually dress yourself properly.

Focus and prepare for the part that counts, the interview. Know your trades; know why you want to join the CF; know what qualities will make you a good officer, etc.

I'll just hope everyone else there comes in jeans. ha.


Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on November 10, 2008, 15:27:51
As this being my first post, I would just like to say hello to all the members out there...My mane is Greg, I am from Newfoundland, about an hour west of stephenville.....I am also applying for ROTP 2009-10, and just had one question....

What career options do you have in the Navy with :
1) Arts (business) degree , and
2) Civil Eng. degree

I just got off the phone a while ago with CFRC Corner Brook, and forgot to ask the question to the Sgt. I talked to....

Thanks.
Greg H

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on November 10, 2008, 15:59:30
I believe those answers are availible on the CF recuiting site. Check out the RMC flash video, it's in there.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 10, 2008, 16:29:30
As this being my first post, I would just like to say hello to all the members out there...My mane is Greg, I am from Newfoundland, about an hour west of stephenville.....I am also applying for ROTP 2009-10, and just had one question....

What career options do you have in the Navy with :
1) Arts (business) degree , and
2) Civil Eng. degree

I just got off the phone a while ago with CFRC Corner Brook, and forgot to ask the question to the Sgt. I talked to....

Thanks.
Greg H



While not 100% on its functionality, I believe the FLASH version of the www.forces.ca website has a inbuilt "What jobs you can do" option when you go to job cruiser or whatever it is now called. You can enter your education, degrees and such and it will tell you what you are qualified for.



Another question from me, directed to anyone who has done the officer processing already:

Do you wear your fancypants outfit to the CFAT and then to the medical (until he/she tells you to strip). Or do you put the outfit on AFTER the medical and before the interview.

Thanks
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 10, 2008, 19:35:46
As this being my first post, I would just like to say hello to all the members out there...My mane is Greg, I am from Newfoundland, about an hour west of stephenville.....I am also applying for ROTP 2009-10, and just had one question....

What career options do you have in the Navy with :
1) Arts (business) degree , and
2) Civil Eng. degree

I just got off the phone a while ago with CFRC Corner Brook, and forgot to ask the question to the Sgt. I talked to....

Thanks.
Greg H



 Interesting. I live about an hour west of Stephenville.

 In the Navy as an officer with a Buisness degree you can be:
- Maritime Surface and Sub-surface Officer(MARS)
- Logistics Officer
- Health Care Administration Officer
- Public Affairs

 In the Navy as an officer with a Civil Engineering degree you can be:
- Maritime Surface and Sub-surface Officer(MARS)
- Logistics Officer
- Public Affairs
- Electrical and Mechanical Engineer

 Good luck with the process. CFRC Corner Brook has a really great staff.

 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on November 10, 2008, 19:38:12
BMS, what part are you from....I am from St.David's myself......Thanks for the info guys/gals...

Greg H
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 10, 2008, 19:45:05
 I'm from Lourdes.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PuffinFresh on November 10, 2008, 19:56:09
Hi from Calgary!

Got my application in last week and did my CFAT, interview, and medical today; everything went well and the lieutenant said I have a very good chance of being selected to go to RMC.

See Y'all in August! hopefully...  :cdnsalute:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 10, 2008, 20:03:05
 Congratulations Puffin. The Captain that interviewed me said the same thing.

 What academic program and trades are you going for?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PuffinFresh on November 10, 2008, 20:11:44
Congratulations Puffin. The Captain that interviewed me said the same thing.

 What academic program and trades are you going for?

Hello bms, I am taking Military and Strategic Studies, and my trades are infantry, armor, and artillery. You?  :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 10, 2008, 20:46:58
Hiya. I posted it previously, but I'll bite  ;D.

 I'm also going for Military and Strategic Studies and my choices are Artillery, Armour, and Infantry, in that order(though, admittedly, I'll probably end up switching and trying for Infantry).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 10, 2008, 21:46:26
I'd think the officer would say to most people that they are a good candidate. Unless they did horrible in one of the 3 parts. Just to keep their hopes up. But meh :D Hopefully he/she says that to me. lol


Also, in case no one saw my question: Should you wear your dress cloths right to the CFAT, or wear casual clothing up until the Interview and change?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Mr.Newf on November 10, 2008, 21:48:59
Doesn't anyone want to be Combat Engineer? Could be my boss someday... ;) ;D


Beaver

Edit: Grammar :-[
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 10, 2008, 22:48:02
Hey guys,
             I'm another candidate for ROTP 2009-2010. I'm applying from Montreal for MSS and my choices for trade are Infantry, Armour and Artillery. I have to say it's pretty cool being able to talk to others who are in the same boat and if it is God's will we can all meet eachother in the coming fall :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 10, 2008, 22:58:11
@ Marshall: I doubt you'd have time nor want to change from casual clothes. For me, it was pretty much go go go.

@ The Beaver: Apparently not. Must just be some sort of gung-ho, roll in the mud, bang bang, grunting group.

@ Immortal: And if everything goes as planned, most of us will be in the same courses :p. But hey, this is why we're coming forward. So mwe can see who's going where and to have some common ground incase we are together.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 10, 2008, 23:00:08
@ Marshall: I doubt you'd have time nor want to change from casual clothes. For me, it was pretty much go go go.

@ The Beaver: Apparently not. Must just be some sort of gung-ho, roll in the mud, bang bang, grunting group.

@ Immortal: And if everything goes as planned, most of us will be in the same courses :p. But hey, this is why we're coming forward. So mwe can see who's going where and to have some common ground incase we are together.

Ok good. Thanks. How long did all your stuff take? And what does the doctor check?

And it be very cool for a bunch of us to be in the same classes etc. I'm also doing Armour ( Armour -> Artillery -> Infantry). Trying for MSS.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 10, 2008, 23:05:39
Hehe that would be pretty funny, hopefully we'll keep in touch and make sure to hook up over there. Man i just have to say that i can't wait, I've wanted to join for 2 years now but engagements (such as girlfriend (now ex) and the requirements of my parents signature) have held me back. But now i'm 18 and ready to fight for my adoptive country :D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 10, 2008, 23:09:01
@Marshall: I was there from 0745 till about 1315. During that period, I was only sitting down doing nothing for about 20 minutes at the beginning, 10 minutes after my medical and before my interview(but I was reading a military journal, so it flew).

 From what I gathered, it's usually not a doctor. I had a physician assistant, and that is apprently the norm.

 Well, if this many of us want MSS and Combat Arms(1/3), there is a decent chance that some of us may end up in the same classes and on the same courses and in the same trades. That begin said, how would you know? We haven't seen each other in person or even know each other's names. Maybe when we find out who's accepted to RMC and such, the people who are accepted can then find out some stuff about the others so that you won't be completely alone when you are on course or at RMC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Mr.Newf on November 10, 2008, 23:11:49
@ The Beaver: Apparently not. Must just be some sort of gung-ho, roll in the mud, bang bang, grunting group.
True I suppose. One would think that playing with C4 and such would make you more gung-ho though :D


Beav
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 10, 2008, 23:18:34
I have a feeling the the boys from St-Jean are going to form a little group of their own but yea for the rest of us going there on our own it would be good to have friends right off the bat. But you never know, i read that there are a few thousand applicants and they only accept maybe 300, and those odds got me nervous, even though i have respectable grades and extra-curricular activities
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: NFLD Sapper on November 10, 2008, 23:37:58
@ The Beaver: Apparently not. Must just be some sort of gung-ho, roll in the mud, bang bang, grunting group.

That would be infantry  ;D

Yes we get muddy but who else would you get to do all your vertical and horizontal construction? Not to mention give you pure clean water.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 10, 2008, 23:42:50
I have a feeling the the boys from St-Jean are going to form a little group of their own but yea for the rest of us going there on our own it would be good to have friends right off the bat. But you never know, i read that there are a few thousand applicants and they only accept maybe 300, and those odds got me nervous, even though i have respectable grades and extra-curricular activities

only 300? Jeeze  :-X
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 10, 2008, 23:49:27
yea, i thought i already had one foot in the college until i found that out :/
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 11, 2008, 01:42:57
 Psshh... Thats not that bad. Top 300 applicants is a pretty wide berth. Especially when you take in people who apply with nothing... Not good grades, no extra cirriculars... Stay positive.

 Just for inspiration, 2 people from the exact same area(my best friend and I) were chosen to be one of the 72 people in Canada who would attend an advanced(7 week) exchange to the UK. Out of EVERY army cadet in Newfoundland who applied, we were chosen for 2 of the 6 available slots for Newfoundland. A lot of people applied, but the majority stood not real chance at getting it, they just applied for the sake of applying. If they got it great, if not, no big deal.

 So yeah. Don't let numbers bother you. Top 300 applicants for RMC is pretty broad. There are about 300 applicants for civi U as well. So your chances just doubled  ;D.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 11, 2008, 09:46:38
Yea. I just hope my marks and work experience outdo others. lol
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on November 11, 2008, 11:12:07
If I remember the numbers from last year correctly, there were approximately 5000 applicants and about 500 spots for all of ROTP (including Civi U). Hopefully the number of spots increase as RMC Saint-Jean gets up to capacity.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on November 11, 2008, 16:29:46
Does CFRC test Physical Fitness when you apply for RMC? If so, that might be my drawback, even though I am working on it, and have improved significantly, from my P.Reserve file....

GH
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on November 11, 2008, 16:56:08
There's no PT test at the CFRC when applying to the Regular Force. We did, however, get tested soon after we arrived (at least in St-Jean we did).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on November 11, 2008, 16:59:00
There's no PT test at the CFRC when applying to the Regular Forces. We did, however, get tested soon after we arrived (at least in St-Jean we did).

Thanks...that gives me a piece of mind....thanks again

GH
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 11, 2008, 21:26:43
At the hotel.. CFRC in the morning ha..  :threat:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 11, 2008, 22:02:04
 Awesome. Hopefully you'll have some more light to shed on the process when you go through to give overs a more complete view of the ROTP selection process :salute:

 Good luck for tomorrow  :pop:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 11, 2008, 23:46:10
It's unfortunate that the selection process takes so long, i thought the final decision would arrive at February so i would have time to drop school and start going to the gym, but since the final answer comes in May, i won't have as much time for the gym :/ but thankfully the requirement aren't too strict so i shouldn't have ne trouble
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on November 11, 2008, 23:50:11
No time for Gym?  Come on!  MAKE the time! 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 11, 2008, 23:59:10
Since you apparently have no time, here's my advice. Read my threads on push ups and sit ups. These programs offer a way for you to improve significantly over a period of time and it doesn't really take that much of your days.

 Atleast thats what I'm doing to get ready(My goal is to able to do 100 perfect push ups anytime I want). And yes, I've already started(though the ankle sprain kicked me off for a bit, but I'm hitting it off again tomorrow and onward).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 12, 2008, 00:17:49
You have a link to ur threads bms? i'm pretty good at situps but i've always had trouble with pushups for some reason ... i can do 15 flawlessly without strain but for some reason #16 takes all my strenght, i guess i just need to focus on that
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Mr.Newf on November 12, 2008, 00:22:33
You have a link to ur threads bms? i'm pretty good at situps but i've always had trouble with pushups for some reason ... i can do 15 flawlessly without strain but for some reason #16 takes all my strenght, i guess i just need to focus on that

Pushups (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,68178.0.html)

Situps (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,73657.0.html)


Beaver
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 12, 2008, 00:28:43
Seems like a pretty solid plan*, i'll get right on that. Thanks my man  :salute:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on November 12, 2008, 02:36:25
Try this if you want to it seams to be working for me: http://hundredpushups.com/
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 12, 2008, 10:45:39
Thx for the help guys, it's always good to know others share your passion and your goals, because i have to tell you outside these forums people freak when i tell them where i want to go study :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on November 12, 2008, 11:29:38
You'll get used to the constant looks of shock on people's faces, and you'll even have a standardized reply for all their questions after a while haha. I go to Civvy U, and so any time I meet new people and tell them I'm an ROTP Officer Cadet they all gawk at me like I'm some species they have never seen before.

Also, I use the 100 pushups site, it's fantastic.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 12, 2008, 11:32:50
Tell me about it, they seem to think that the forces are some alien part of the country that your born into if your unlucky or something in the sort. But despite all this, my resolve is strong and this just confrims to me that this is what i want to do in life.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on November 12, 2008, 11:51:12
That's a good attitude to have! People will get used to the idea eventually, just so you know. It just takes a bit of getting used to.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 12, 2008, 17:54:18
Hey guys.. update here (without revealing any hush hush info)

I did my stuff thankfully in this order: CFAT > Interview > Medical (this way I did not have to change out of my dress clothes :D )

CFAT went great, I got above average and qualified for all except one job.

Interview I thought went meh but the recruiter was pleased and said I seem to be a good candidate.

Medical went 100% and I do not have to get any forms sent in, which thankfully means my processing will be done a bit earlier supposedly.

So yeah, went good overall :D they recommend applying to some Civie U's as back up so I am going to get on that within the next week or so.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on November 12, 2008, 18:42:30
Glad things went well for you! I hope to have my stuff done next week...

GH
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on November 12, 2008, 18:51:13
Is any one eles doing their tests at their local armoury?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 12, 2008, 19:32:31
 @Marshall: Fantastic. They recommended that I go for some civi Us as well. However, it took me so long to decide to try to be an officer, and my pros and cons for officer and NCM ended at about even for me. So, personally, it's either RMC or I'm going Infantry Soldier. I'm not being fickle or anything. Either way, I'm sure I'll be very happy(Infantry Soldier was my dream until I got to talking to a lot of different people, and then I decided I'd give RMC a go. If that doesn't fly right, then back to the original plan). Also, oddly enough, I was never told if I qualified for any trades at all. But then again, we did do our CFAT on bubble sheets from booklets(or does everyone do it like that?). I guess they won't tell me until my medical things are all cleared through.

 @CEEBEE501: Nope. I wish I could of though. Corner Brook is a bit far away. Way further than the armoury(about twice as far away actually).

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 12, 2008, 21:16:50
BMS,

ours were done via computers. High tech I tell ya. But maybe the interviewer just chose not to tell you your suitability for jobs, or just forgot to or did not plan to tell you. I think you should still try for some Civie U's. You'd be throwing a lot away if you ended up going NCM instead of Officer just due to that. But if you feel thats what you want then thats the best to do :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 12, 2008, 21:25:06
 @Marshall: Thanks for your concern. But I really doubt I'd be throwing anything away if I didn't make the grade. I really thought it through and honestly I'd love to go either way. I've talked to a lot of infantry NCMS and Officers at CFB Gagetown and surrounding areas and from what I gather, either way would fit me just fine. By the way, they probably didn't have the results of our CFATs. I mean, they were on bubble sheets, which means they'd probably have to be sent away to be scored anyway. There were computers in the testing room, we just didn't use them for some reason. I'm guessing I'll have my answers when my medical papers go through. Then I'll know if I'm medically fit and if I will be merit listed.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 12, 2008, 21:33:18
Oh, so your still waiting on some things. I thought you were all clear sorry. Yeah if your CFAT was done on paper it is most likely that it was not marked while you were at the CFRC. They do not release your marks so maybe they will just contact you via phone or something to tell you suitability, hard to say since you've already done the interview.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 12, 2008, 21:38:50
 I was thinking phone as well. I doubt they'd get me to go back down there just to test me a few things. And, it's also pointless to get my hopes up before my medical is fully completed.

 But hey, I'm optimistic. My family doctor basically said that all the forms(except the visual acuity one) were bogus and he filled them out using my charts and by making it clear that I was medically fit to do anything(except be a pilot. Crappy vision  :o).

 Hopefully more people will post their progress and such. It'd be great to see how everyone is doing  :warstory:.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on November 12, 2008, 21:43:15
bms, what does your family doctor know about enrolment criterias of various trades?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 12, 2008, 21:50:55
 Well, there is an infantry unit in the same place and he has a special time period and days of the week for completing medical stuff. So, based on that and what advice I'd recieved from him in the past, I'd say he knows a thing or two.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 12, 2008, 23:24:23
So far so good, i've done my CFAT and my medical with no problems. I have my interview tomorrow so i'm brushing up on my canadian military history and foreign affairs. Is there anyone else on the forum from Montreal?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 12, 2008, 23:28:57
 Congratulations.

 Just a hint for your interview, know your trade choices well. Know what they do, who they are, why you want to do it, and all that fun stuff. Also it would be a good idea to know some things about the officer side of the house that you should have looked at already.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Immortal on November 12, 2008, 23:31:51
yea i'm starting to read about the subjects you mentioned. I just have to say this forum is priceless.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on November 13, 2008, 11:44:21
Unless they changed it back again this year, the interview is nothing to worry about. It was a half hour chat, they sat me down and asked me a series of "Yes" or "No" questions to make sure I was suitable, and that was it. This was because they weren't assigning specific trades. They assigned an MOSID trade grouping such as "Air Ops", "Land Support", or "Sea Engineering". Within each category you have a set of trades, and you have another interview down the road to select the one you want.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 13, 2008, 12:21:17
Its all simple, just simple information a person SHOULD know by this point.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on November 14, 2008, 02:22:00
Here is an odd question spawned by another thread I saw on the boards, but are there any travel restriction out of country for RMC applicants?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on November 14, 2008, 10:42:22
Here is an odd question spawned by another thread I saw on the boards, but are there any travel restriction out of country for RMC applicants?

Well lets see:  if you are finished your processing, you can be contacted when required, and you are not leaving the country for more than 180 days consecutively then no.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on November 15, 2008, 03:41:20
So would I have to give them a number they can reach me at and the location and from when till when i will be there, when I go to do my interview med and cfat?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on November 15, 2008, 09:56:36
So would I have to give them a number they can reach me at and the location and from when till when i will be there, when I go to do my interview med and cfat?

Speaking from my own personal experience I would say yes.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Mommy on November 18, 2008, 11:29:23
My first time on this "net", I encourage all applicants to go through with their "application". It is a great thing to be selected for ROTP/CEOTP. I myself just retired after a 31 years carreer and without any proding my 2 sons have joined.  One under ROTP and one CEOTP. One is attending his fourth year at RMC and the other one his 3rd year at Civi U. Make a choice, get in and enjoy. Sure there will be some hard work to come but great rewards when you can say "you made it". Be proud it is a great adventure.
A proud Mom. :cdn:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 19, 2008, 14:13:13
How old are your sons? Did they join out of HS or later in life?

And thats great, 31 years. I hope I can do my career for that long as well. I am very happy I am done my application, I now just wait. heh.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RyGuy009 on November 19, 2008, 17:18:53
im apply for ROTP next week. i wanna go to UofL, RMC was my second choice. im only applying for Pilot cause thats what i really want to be.  >:D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on November 19, 2008, 21:43:42
If you want to be completing a university degree in general, and wanting to get into a competitive trade in the forces such as pilot, then you might want to think about improving your English grammar. Also, don't bring up the argument that "This is the internet and it doesn't matter" because there are regulations on this site that tell you very clearly that proper grammar and spelling are required here.

Good on you for sticking with the trade you desire, but don't be afraid to listen to the recruiting staff when they tell you about some of the alternatives. You might be surprised at some of the other options. For example Air Navigators are changing as of Jan 1st, and will be called Air Combat Systems Officers. Their training and roles will be changing slightly as well, so keep an eye open for that.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on November 19, 2008, 23:57:23
No matter what, don't put Nav down :P 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on November 20, 2008, 01:29:30
Uh oh, is this some pilot/ nav rivalry coming up here? :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 20, 2008, 11:27:00
Update: Just finishing up getting my Civy U applications done. Recruiter called me a couple days ago and said he had finalized my file and it is done and waiting the next step :)


So does anyone have any numbers on how many are accepted into ROTP (and then into RMC/Civ U) ? I do not usually care about this kind of thing since it usually deters a person. Someone estimated 600 into ROTP (300 RMC 300 CIV). Does this sound correct to anyone?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cheeky_monkey on November 20, 2008, 11:28:48
So does anyone have any numbers on how many are accepted into ROTP (and then into RMC/Civ U) ? I do not usually care about this kind of thing since it usually deters a person. Someone estimated 600 into ROTP (300 RMC 300 CIV). Does this sound correct to anyone?

750 was the number I saw for my intake. 70 to CMR, 270 to RMC and the rest to CivvieU.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 20, 2008, 11:36:04
750 was the number I saw for my intake. 70 to CMR, 270 to RMC and the rest to CivvieU.

Ah, sounds even better. And from a more creditable source then a rumor. I guess me applying to a couple universities is a good idea since the majority are put into them.

Thank you.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RyGuy009 on November 21, 2008, 15:09:05
If you want to be completing a university degree in general, and wanting to get into a competitive trade in the forces such as pilot, then you might want to think about improving your English grammar. Also, don't bring up the argument that "This is the internet and it doesn't matter" because there are regulations on this site that tell you very clearly that proper grammar and spelling are required here.

Good on you for sticking with the trade you desire, but don't be afraid to listen to the recruiting staff when they tell you about some of the alternatives. You might be surprised at some of the other options. For example Air Navigators are changing as of Jan 1st, and will be called Air Combat Systems Officers. Their training and roles will be changing slightly as well, so keep an eye open for that.
"interwebz is srs biznizz."

OK I'm done haha. I know I should put alternate trades on my application. I thought about MP. In my second lifetime i want to be a cop. Not really sure what the Military Police is about, but I heard rumors about the MPs saying that their wanna be cops. I heard that from a Armour Reservist. Also, I was told don't be an MP from a Calgary Police Officer. Also I would want to try Infantry or the Armoured division. Who doesn't want to drive a tank, eh?  :tank: But if pilot doesn't work out for me, I think I would still want a career in the Air Force. Maybe not AirNav, but something to do with aviation in general of course. Maybe I'll go scout out the forces.ca site....
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 21, 2008, 21:52:18
"interwebz is srs biznizz."

OK I'm done haha. I know I should put alternate trades on my application. I thought about MP. In my second lifetime i want to be a cop. Not really sure what the Military Police is about, but I heard rumors about the MPs saying that their wanna be cops. I heard that from a Armour Reservist. Also, I was told don't be an MP from a Calgary Police Officer. Also I would want to try Infantry or the Armoured division. Who doesn't want to drive a tank, eh?  :tank: But if pilot doesn't work out for me, I think I would still want a career in the Air Force. Maybe not AirNav, but something to do with aviation in general of course. Maybe I'll go scout out the forces.ca site....

It is for the best.. The more they have to work with the less they want to loose your file probably :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on November 21, 2008, 22:38:40
Haha
Another odd question from me  ;D.
So how would getting a drivers licence work because I currently have my BC N(Class7) and can take my Class5 test in December 09.
So would RMC let me take some quick "refresher" lessons from a Driving school in Kingston to get the Ontario Equivalent of a Class5(full licence)  or do they offer their own program for that, or would I have to wait till my Class7 expires in 2013 and wait till I get a posting later that year. Or is there a CF Drivers licence, not just qual on a certain type(i.e. LSVW, Milvarado, etc...)
I'm really puzzled over how obtaining my full Drivers licence if I get accepted would work.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 22, 2008, 09:37:55
Haha
Another odd question from me  ;D.
So how would getting a drivers licence work because I currently have my BC N(Class7) and can take my Class5 test in December 09.
So would RMC let me take some quick "refresher" lessons from a Driving school in Kingston to get the Ontario Equivalent of a Class5(full licence)  or do they offer their own program for that, or would I have to wait till my Class7 expires in 2013 and wait till I get a posting later that year. Or is there a CF Drivers licence, not just qual on a certain type(i.e. LSVW, Milvarado, etc...)
I'm really puzzled over how obtaining my full Drivers licence if I get accepted would work.

My only guess is that you would just need to reread and retake the drivers test in the province if you plan on driving there.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on November 22, 2008, 12:18:24
As a Student, I am sure you can maintain your current Drivers Lic, with your home address.  Once you get into Training and actually Posted to a Unit, then you have 30 days to transfer your licence over to your new address and Province.  You will have to visit the Provincial Transportation office to do that.  They should have a "conversion scale" by which they can issue a "Class" of licence that will equal what you previously held.

I am sure this topic has been dealt with before.  Search and you may find more info.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on November 22, 2008, 14:29:10
GW:  That's actually 90 days!  (I know for sure in Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta)

Cheers

Max
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on November 25, 2008, 20:43:39
Is it odd if they tell you that they might "ask" you to start training in January?
Also I found out the most interesting thing today, carbonated drinks increase your blood pressure, and well I had 2 liters of carbonated water last night and a medical today, so I have to get the blood pressure test redone other then that it was good, and I found out I'm V1 vision(medical personnel where puzzled why I have glasses when I did the vision test)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 25, 2008, 22:08:22
Is it odd if they tell you that they might "ask" you to start training in January?
Also I found out the most interesting thing today, carbonated drinks increase your blood pressure, and well I had 2 liters of carbonated water last night and a medical today, so I have to get the blood pressure test redone other then that it was good, and I found out I'm V1 vision(medical personnel where puzzled why I have glasses when I did the vision test)

They never told me what I was, They needed me to take eye examination twice because the first time the med did not look into my file and saw that I DID have glasses. So she thought I was like V4 at the time. Then the big med guy was talking to me and I said I had glasses and he redid it and that was that. (I see 20/20 w/ glasses and its not a high correction.. I rarely use glasses.. actually I never wear em and I am fine.. so I am guessing V1/V2)

He noticed my heartbeat was up, but he never went further. He was amazed I did not drink any caffeine before the medical. I am a avid coffee drinker though (just not that morning).

Maybe my medical officer liked me.  ;D


I am unsure what you meant about the start training in January. I thought BMOQ was during the summer, AND January I thought was when selections begin.   :-\
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 25, 2008, 22:26:47
 January is when everything HAS to be completely done. February is when the first round of selections is. Or so I gathered  >:D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 25, 2008, 22:30:36
January is when everything HAS to be completely done. February is when the first round of selections is. Or so I gathered  >:D

Thats what I was told. Early January is deadlines (thats why the recruiters URGE you to get medical done ASAP if you need any) and mid-late is selection boards? Then offers for first round in Feb.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on November 25, 2008, 22:42:08
 Hehe. That's about what they said.

 Can't wait... It's less than 3 months to February.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on November 25, 2008, 22:49:04
Don't be in too much of a hurry. Enjoy what you may have left of civvie life. :P

The military is a good go, but I assure you there are things you will miss. Enjoy your youth. (wow that makes me sound like an old man)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on November 25, 2008, 23:00:39
Don't be in too much of a hurry. Enjoy what you may have left of civvie life. :P

The military is a good go, but I assure you there are things you will miss. Enjoy your youth. (wow that makes me sound like an old man)

Eh I pretty much just work and sleep so It cant be too much worse  :P

*Milnet.ca staff edit for site policy*
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on December 08, 2008, 21:44:16
** Update **
I am going to CFRC on thursday the 11th of Dec. to do my processing....I will post back and let ya'll know how it went!  ;)

-Greg :army:
 :cdn: :salute:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on December 08, 2008, 23:08:14
 Definitely looking forward to see how you do hulan. Good luck.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 08, 2008, 23:47:16
Definitely looking forward to see how you do hulan. Good luck.

You dieing yet BMS? I am. (especially since the CivvieU's are going about my processes TERRIBLY slow haha).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dbouls on December 09, 2008, 00:35:27
When I had my interview for the ROTP (at the end of October, 08), my interviewer mentioned that there might be a selection board mid-december. Has anyone heard anything to confirming this rumour? I'll be going to the CFRC on the 12th and unless someone has any light to shed, I'll post the response I get.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on December 09, 2008, 07:10:04
You dieing yet BMS? I am. (especially since the CivvieU's are going about my processes TERRIBLY slow haha).

 You could say that. I haven't heard anything since I did the whole application process. I am calling in today to get a status report on my file. It's been a few weeks since I sent my medical papers by mail, and hopefully the CFRC has something to tell me.

 I never heard anything about this mid-December selection board. Though I am very curious.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 09, 2008, 09:54:38
When I had my interview for the ROTP (at the end of October, 08), my interviewer mentioned that there might be a selection board mid-december. Has anyone heard anything to confirming this rumour? I'll be going to the CFRC on the 12th and unless someone has any light to shed, I'll post the response I get.

Never heard of it, but that would be neat seeing as my file is done. (although I'd rather have at least one university accepting me before they do my file).

 
You could say that. I haven't heard anything since I did the whole application process. I am calling in today to get a status report on my file. It's been a few weeks since I sent my medical papers by mail, and hopefully the CFRC has something to tell me.

 I never heard anything about this mid-December selection board. Though I am very curious.

Ah, I forgot you still had med files processing. I hope it is going well and is almost done. :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on December 09, 2008, 23:39:35
Howdy,

I've been reading on this forum for a while, lots of great information here.
I'm in the same boat as some of you, waiting for the selection board.

Went to Aircrew Selection in August and passed pilot and air nav, so I guess I wait...last time I talked to the Recruiting Office, it was with someone new and they didn't really have any idea what was going on.

I submitted my application around this time last year, so I'm definitely looking forward to the selection board in the next couple of months...whenever it may be.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on December 10, 2008, 16:44:13
Do pilot ROTP applicants need to complete ASC prior to being considered by the ROTP board?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: benny88 on December 10, 2008, 17:10:40
Do pilot ROTP applicants need to complete ASC prior to being considered by the ROTP board?


  I want to say yes, but I'm not 100% sure. If you don't get an answer from Kincanucks or someone in Recruiting here in the next little while, just call up your CFRC and ask.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on December 11, 2008, 14:29:42
Do pilot ROTP applicants need to complete ASC prior to being considered by the ROTP board?

I'd like to know the answer too, though I should probably know.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on December 11, 2008, 15:27:12
well. I went to CFRC today to do my processing....everything went fine till I had my interview and found out that I was 6 points short from making the grade! That put a damper on things! The recruiter told me that if I still wanted RMC, I would have to wait till the end of this school year, or till next year to re-apply....but if it goes well then, it wont be till 2010-11.....time will tell.....he also told me that I need to give some proof that I am capable of bringing up the score, and that I was lucky to be even given a second chance at the test, let alone a third......

Good luck to the rest of the applicants! I am out of the game at least for now...

Greg H
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on December 11, 2008, 15:44:38
Do pilot ROTP applicants need to complete ASC prior to being considered by the ROTP board?

Unless things changes, I was enrolled as a Pilot before I did my ASC.  I did ASC at the end of my first year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on December 11, 2008, 22:19:41
Thanks for the replies.

I'm handing in everything tomorrow. I know I'm cutting it extremely close to apply for ROTP as it is, let alone for pilot. I was hoping to get it in today, but the CFRC was closed early and I missed the window.

The helpful/honest recruiter I talked to earlier this week informed me it would be hard pressed to even squeeze in the CFAT/interview/medical  before the deadline. If ASC is required, then my chances get cut to nil from the very slim I even have now.

Thanks again, and I guess I'll take my place with the other 100, 000 pilot hopefuls  8)

Cheers
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 11, 2008, 23:31:11
Thanks for the replies.

I'm handing in everything tomorrow. I know I'm cutting it extremely close to apply for ROTP as it is, let alone for pilot. I was hoping to get it in today, but the CFRC was closed early and I missed the window.

The helpful/honest recruiter I talked to earlier this week informed me it would be hard pressed to even squeeze in the CFAT/interview/medical  before the deadline. If ASC is required, then my chances get cut to nil from the very slim I even have now.

Thanks again, and I guess I'll take my place with the other 100, 000 pilot hopefuls  8)

Cheers

You'd be surprised how many leave it to the last minute. Ive already met a few who are still just beginning process.. so do not give up !
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: oliver.smith on December 14, 2008, 11:06:35
I am probably a little late on this topic but I was told by the officer who was processing my file that there was an early review board on nomember 5th. I am still waiting to hear back from RMC for any offers.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 14, 2008, 11:08:17
I am probably a little late on this topic but I was told by the officer who was processing my file that there was an early review board on nomember 5th. I am still waiting to hear back from RMC for any offers.

For what program? ROTP? I never heard of any review boards except for January. Does anyone know if there was one? I would of expected someone to have been notified if they did some sort of selection already  ???
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 15, 2008, 21:49:25
Got an acceptance letter from my CivvieU of choice (Mount Allison). So now I have another option for them to give me if not RMC. :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Yamniuk on December 15, 2008, 22:08:30
Hey guys, great forum!
I have my application in for the ROTP program as well, and I've completed my medical and aptitude test, with my interview coming up on Wednesday. I've heard some rumours of a selection board sitting in December, but no one at the Recruiting Centre was able to confirm that. I've been reading a bit about the interview that is conducted, but I haven't been able to find a lot of information. Anyone have any advice? I know your not supposed to disclose much about your interview, but how long is it, how should I be preping... Things like that. Thanks guys!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on December 15, 2008, 22:14:08
Hey guys, great forum!
I have my application in for the ROTP program as well, and I've completed my medical and aptitude test, with my interview coming up on Wednesday. I've heard some rumours of a selection board sitting in December, but no one at the Recruiting Centre was able to confirm that. I've been reading a bit about the interview that is conducted, but I haven't been able to find a lot of information. Anyone have any advice? I know your not supposed to disclose much about your interview, but how long is it, how should I be preping... Things like that. Thanks guys!

I don't know.  Have you ever been in to an interview before?  How did/would you prepare for it?  Did you research what the job was you were applying for?  Did you use the SEARCH FUNCTION on this site and search the keywords "INTERVIEW", "ROTP INTERVIEW", and any other conceivable variant of?  Lots of questions have been asked on the subject, and lots of advice given, as to what to expect, what to wear, some of the social graces you may want to know, etc.  Research is the key. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Yamniuk on December 15, 2008, 22:20:17
I've done loads of prep, as in looking up my carrier choices (Armour, Artillery) and cataloging my leadership skills. I'm actually in contact with the Head coach of the Women's Varsity Soccer Program at RMC, for I am a prospective athlete, and he has sent me lists of prep questions.

What I am more concerned about is how to approach the interview, as in my attitude and confidence level. I am female (if that makes any difference) and I play and coach soccer actively within the community. Should I focus on that, or my academics (90% avg) or other things. I've had interviews for school things, preparatory for real life, but this is such an important interview... not just a $100 000 scholarship, but the chance to be an officer in the CF. I just want to be my best!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on December 15, 2008, 22:29:56
Everyone is treated as an individual.  As such, each interview may vary from the others, as each individual will have differing life skills, education, work experience, etc.  One interview may be fifteen minutes long, while another a couple of hours.  Yes there is a format/template they follow, and criteria that they are looking for, but no two people will have the same responses, nor will all the questions be required to be asked if clearly a person has the credentials or lack of.   

Be yourself, research, and don't fret over the interview.  You may find that your credentials have already garnered you an acceptance and that this is only a formality to finalize it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on December 16, 2008, 05:31:52
Got an acceptance letter from my CivvieU of choice (Mount Allison). So now I have another option for them to give me if not RMC. :)

If you go to Mount Allison we'll have the same ULO, we  might see each other one day.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on December 16, 2008, 12:01:23
 Welcome to the group Yamniuk. What program at RMC are you looking at doing?

 Just a hint for your interview, know your trade choices well. Know what they do, who they are, why you want to do it, and all that fun stuff. Also it would be a good idea to know some things about the officer side of the house. Just general things you'd want to know about any job.

 And congratulations Marshall.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 16, 2008, 12:33:19
Hey everyone,

I am in the same boat as most of you applying for RMC via ROTP.

Anyone here applying for pilot? All my CFAT, medicals and interviews are favorable and just recently received word I am favorable at RMC (qualified). My next step is Air Crew Selection Jan 09.

I am excited, but realize that the Air Crew Selection is the killer in the process of becoming a CF pilot.


On a side note, anyone attending the ROTP open house in Hamilton Jan 22, I believe?

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on December 16, 2008, 14:00:48
Got an acceptance letter from my CivvieU of choice (Mount Allison).

Pfft, only hippies go to Mount A.
I'm kidding, my sister and a few good friends of mine go to school there. What are you planning on taking?

Magic, I'm applying for pilot as well. I did Aircrew last summer, it's tough but not impossible by any means. There are lots of hints on this forum about going, but it really all comes down to how well you handle the next maneuver after you make a mistake (in my opinion).


Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 16, 2008, 14:25:44
Its all about how you correct yourself to changing attitudes.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: benny88 on December 16, 2008, 16:22:48
Its all about how you correct yourself to changing attitudes.



Was that an intentional pilot pun?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 16, 2008, 21:50:46
Hey everyone,

I am in the same boat as most of you applying for RMC via ROTP.

Anyone here applying for pilot? All my CFAT, medicals and interviews are favorable and just recently received word I am favorable at RMC (qualified). My next step is Air Crew Selection Jan 09.

I am excited, but realize that the Air Crew Selection is the killer in the process of becoming a CF pilot.


On a side note, anyone attending the ROTP open house in Hamilton Jan 22, I believe?



How did you receive word from RMC, they have not even had the review board yet :/
Pfft, only hippies go to Mount A.
I'm kidding, my sister and a few good friends of mine go to school there. What are you planning on taking?


Id just be doing a BA in History. Have not put a whole lot of thought into it yet.


 And congratulations Marshall.



Thank you Thank you.

If you go to Mount Allison we'll have the same ULO, we  might see each other one day.

ULO? Sorry still getting use to the lingo  ;D


Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on December 16, 2008, 21:59:13
University Liaison Office, Basically he's the clerk that take care of your files.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 16, 2008, 22:02:08
University Liaison Office, Basically he's the clerk that take care of your files.

Ah good good. That would be great to know someone from the forums if I end up in MTA. I am still going with my #1 choice of RMC but CivvieU has its ups also. I will take either rather then none :P we shall see.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on December 16, 2008, 22:11:03
There is a few ROTP Ocdt in Mount Allison, about six or seven I think, however we are only two at the Université de Moncton right now.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 16, 2008, 22:12:13
There is a few ROTP Ocdt in Mount Allison, about six or seven I think, however we are only two at the Université de Moncton right now.

Sounds good. Can't hurt to have fellow CF around if your on the CivvieU course :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Yamniuk on December 16, 2008, 22:23:26
Quote
Id just be doing a BA in History. Have not put a whole lot of thought into it yet.

Nice choice. Mount Allison is a beautiful school, congrats that you got in!
I'm hoping to either study History as well, or Military and Strategic Studies, at RMC.
That program sounds really interesting. BTW, does anyone know when the first board sits?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 16, 2008, 22:28:20
Nice choice. Mount Allison is a beautiful school, congrats that you got in!
I'm hoping to either study History as well, or Military and Strategic Studies, at RMC.
That program sounds really interesting. BTW, does anyone know when the first board sits?

Then we are mirror images, course-wise at least :) I too am trying for Milstud if I get RMC.

I believe the board is in early January although rumors say there is an earlier one...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Yamniuk on December 16, 2008, 22:37:34
Yeah, I've heard those rumours too...
What's you occupation of choice if you don't mind my asking?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 16, 2008, 22:43:05
Yeah, I've heard those rumours too...
What's you occupation of choice if you don't mind my asking?

Combat arms (or the other name which I can never remember.. land something) area (Armour>Artillery>Infantry>Engineer) :)

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Yamniuk on December 16, 2008, 22:46:10
Quote
Combat arms

Nice... as you said, mirror-images.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 16, 2008, 22:49:39
Nice... as you said, mirror-images.

^^ lets hope we get in then haha
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on December 16, 2008, 22:55:21
 Another Combat Arms(Land Ops), MSS hopeful. There is like an entire class of MSS hopefuls who are hoping for a Combat Arms position in this thread alone  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Yamniuk on December 16, 2008, 23:02:59
Haha, well, sounds like it will be a pretty awesome class then!
I didn't expect that many would be applying for the combat arms side of things.
All of the applicants I've talked to here (BC) are more interested in Engineering.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on December 16, 2008, 23:35:32
 I guess we all lean a little bit to the "rolling around in the mud, bang bang bang, grunting" side of the spectrum.

 It does make sense in this forum when you think about it though. Who else would be interested in Combat Arms than a person looking for a place to discuss and read about military matters. I haven't met many people in their late teens or early 20s who were visiting a military forum to read about military policy >:D. Which leaves a minority looking like a majority in this odd perfect storm situation.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 16, 2008, 23:43:44
I guess we all lean a little bit to the "rolling around in the mud, bang bang bang, grunting" side of the spectrum.

 It does make sense in this forum when you think about it though. Who else would be interested in Combat Arms than a person looking for a place to discuss and read about military matters. I haven't met many people in their late teens or early 20s who were visiting a military forum to read about military policy >:D. Which leaves a minority looking like a majority in this odd perfect storm situation.

*nods and grunts*
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on December 17, 2008, 00:19:10
Actually, I never (and don't think I'll ever) enjoyed rolling around in the mud and all what comes with it ;)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 17, 2008, 00:27:29
Actually, I never (and don't think I'll ever) enjoyed rolling around in the mud and all what comes with it ;)

Nah can't blame ya. Its all ok until your there doing it yourself right? :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 17, 2008, 03:08:30
How did you receive word from RMC, they have not even had the review board yet :/


When I called about something to the CFRC and spoke with my case manager, she said RMC just wrote her an email back saying I was favorable. I think it means I qualify under their requirements.

It would be nice to know however.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 17, 2008, 03:11:44
This was some 2 weeks back maybe. Was there a selection already for early applicants?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on December 17, 2008, 09:42:50
Do pilot ROTP applicants need to complete ASC prior to being considered by the ROTP board?

Last year you did not have to have completed aircrew selection in order to be considered for pilot/air operations. Those who haven't completed aircrew are going sometime throughout the school year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 17, 2008, 09:59:21
This was some 2 weeks back maybe. Was there a selection already for early applicants?

I've been finalized for several weeks now so I figure I would of heard of a no/yes also. I am no pro so I can't elaborate on what she would of told you :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 17, 2008, 12:11:48
I've been finalized for several weeks now so I figure I would of heard of a no/yes also. I am no pro so I can't elaborate on what she would of told you :P

I sure hope she meant I am accepted based I pass ACS. She told me everything looks good and favorable.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 17, 2008, 12:16:31
I sure hope she meant I am accepted based I pass ACS. She told me everything looks goof and favorable.

I hope the best for ye, pilot positions are hard supposedly. But do not back down :D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 17, 2008, 12:17:45
I hope the best for ye, pilot positions are hard supposedly. But do not back down :D

Did you get word of acceptance already ?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 17, 2008, 12:20:37
Did you get word of acceptance already ?

No, I have not heard anything other then my file has been finalized and waiting the review board. And the only official information I have received is that the ROTP board is in January.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 17, 2008, 12:21:59
I heard the same, but I caught me off guard when my file manager said she just received a email form RMC saying my application was favorable. I know it could mean anything but either way its good news.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 17, 2008, 12:24:30
I heard the same, but I caught me off guard when my file manager said she just received a email form RMC saying my application was favorable. I know it could mean anything but either way its good news.

Any positive comments on your process are good in these situations :D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 17, 2008, 12:27:24
I agree, I am more excited for ASC rather then nervous. I would be the happiest person if I got in for Pilot, until the first day of RMC.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 17, 2008, 12:29:22
I agree, I am more excited for ASC rather then nervous. I would be the happiest person if I got in for Pilot, until the first day of RMC.



Yea, I am also more excited then nervous for this whole adventure. So I can't blame ya :D

I'll be going CF as NCM (most likely) If I do not make it into ROTP so I am not worried about being 100% rejected at the moment.  :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on December 17, 2008, 12:30:54
I heard the same, but I caught me off guard when my file manager said she just received a email form RMC saying my application was favorable. I know it could mean anything but either way its good news.

All it means is that RMC reviewed your application and supporting documents and deemed you a suitable applicant.  It does not mean that you will get in to RMC or ROTP.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 17, 2008, 12:35:23
I figured .....
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 19, 2008, 22:11:52
Nothing big, but the recruiter working on my file today called just to say it was all updated with the university acceptance. I called monday and emailed thursday so he thought I was changing my mind for the 3rd time and started to tell me he wanted to make sure I was sure of myself. We eventually got it straightened out that I was only wanting the one change and was just making sure he received my call.

So now my file has my RMC request and a couple universities backing it if not RMC. :D

Now all I can do has been done, and the wait begins again :D

its all worth it though.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PuffinFresh on December 20, 2008, 14:42:47
Update: medical came back good, file manager says I'll be put on the merit list once the career counselor comes back from the holidays.  :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 20, 2008, 23:18:32
Update: medical came back good, file manager says I'll be put on the merit list once the career counselor comes back from the holidays.  :)

Gratz, you just made it hehe.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on December 21, 2008, 00:18:44
Just put in my application for Mechanical Engineering at RMC as a MARS officer. No other choices, just that.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 21, 2008, 11:23:26
Just put in my application for Mechanical Engineering at RMC as a MARS officer. No other choices, just that.

Your cutting it a bit close to deadline, hopefully your medical goes through clear without discrepancy or you probably won't make the January deadline. :/

But best wishes to you!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on December 21, 2008, 15:32:04
 You think? I got the answering machine everytime I've called the "local" CFRC, no matter what time of day. When I left a message, they did call back... at 9am. I was in school and no one was home  :'(. It's just that time of year.

 Good luck tumbling_dice. I really hope the application process pans out nicely for you  ;)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on December 22, 2008, 01:39:43
Your cutting it a bit close to deadline, hopefully your medical goes through clear without discrepancy or you probably won't make the January deadline. :/

But best wishes to you!

Are you sure? The recruiter said that January was the deadline but anytime before Christmas would be preferable.  And I got an e-mail the day of from the RMC Liason saying that there was still time to submit it.  Does anyone know if I maybe submitted too late.  That would be very unfortunate.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on December 22, 2008, 02:25:50
 A deadline is a deadline. However, there is more to the application process than just submitting an application.

 My timeline for the application process is on this topic if you want a reference(http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79084.msg775397.html#msg775397). There can be snags. Which is why it is reccommended(but not necessary) to submit your application as early as possible for ROTP.

 Remember, the first selection board and deadline is in January. This means you don't really have time for a lot to go wrong if you just submitted your application. I mean, you still have to do your CFAT, medical, and interview with just 9 days left in this month. It took 32 days from the day I hand delivered my application package and relevant documents to when I completed the CFAT, medical, and interview. Plus it took me another 16 days to get my medical forms filled out by my family doctor to prove that I was medically fit(doesn't happen to everyone).

 The window is closing. But I wish you the best  :salute:.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mellian on December 22, 2008, 17:38:33
I wish I decided to do apply earlier, now I am stuck waiting for at least one other reference. Can be quite frustrating, especially as I know medical may be an issue.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 22, 2008, 22:10:31
A deadline is a deadline. However, there is more to the application process than just submitting an application.

 My timeline for the application process is on this topic if you want a reference(http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79084.msg775397.html#msg775397). There can be snags. Which is why it is reccommended(but not necessary) to submit your application as early as possible for ROTP.

 Remember, the first selection board and deadline is in January. This means you don't really have time for a lot to go wrong if you just submitted your application. I mean, you still have to do your CFAT, medical, and interview with just 9 days left in this month. It took 32 days from the day I hand delivered my application package and relevant documents to when I completed the CFAT, medical, and interview. Plus it took me another 16 days to get my medical forms filled out by my family doctor to prove that I was medically fit(doesn't happen to everyone).

 The window is closing. But I wish you the best  :salute:.

Exactly what I was meaning, sorry for not explaining. Thanks BMS :)

I wish I decided to do apply earlier, now I am stuck waiting for at least one other reference. Can be quite frustrating, especially as I know medical may be an issue.



That is what I meant by cutting it close, IF your medical does go wrong - you will not make the deadline (unless you do your CFAT etc fairly soon so it has time to go to Ottawa). But you may still have a chance if there is something like a 2nd selections from the review board as people say.

 Do not let it dispel your effort though, if you do not try you will never know. I thought my medical was going to be hell due to vision, but my vision was better then I thought and I was OK'd 100%.

As for references, I feel your pain. I just had a long wait getting references for a university application, one of them took quite awhile and I was ready to drop it. But that came through as well.

Keep it up!

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on December 25, 2008, 04:03:29
OK, so here is what is happening as far as I understand it (this is after multiple emails to the RMC Liaison). 

The ROTP application says: "to ensure a competitive application submit all paper work by January 15, 2009".  The keyword is paperwork.  They highly recommend that your application is in by this point as to allow them the usual amount of time to do your processing (ie. CFAT, medical, and interview). In order to send it off to the powers that be in time for the February selection board. In theory, if you submitted your paperwork on February 1 and then by some miracle got all your processing done and off to Ottawa, you would stand (from a timing standpoint) just as good of a chance for getting accepted as someone who submitted their paperwork on December 1. It all depends on how far you want to push your luck.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cheeky_monkey on December 25, 2008, 04:11:04
OK, so here is what is happening as far as I understand it (this is after multiple emails to the RMC Liaison). 

The ROTP application says: "to ensure a competitive application submit all paper work by January 15, 2009".  The keyword is paperwork.  They highly recommend that your application is in by this point as to allow them the usual amount of time to do your processing (ie. CFAT, medical, and interview). In order to send it off to the powers that be in time for the February selection board. In theory, if you submitted your paperwork on February 1 and then by some miracle got all your processing done and off to Ottawa, you would stand (from a timing standpoint) just as good of a chance for getting accepted as someone who submitted their paperwork on December 1. It all depends on how far you want to push your luck.

Keep in mind there IS a distance between RMC liaisons and the CFRC/D. When I applied my liaison said beginning of January (2008) however my CFRC was quite adamant that they weren't accepting any applications past the 21st of December (2007). Hell, that was the Friday I went in for my interview, and the last set of interviews they were doing.

In all honesty, don't worry about when you need it in by; instead worry about getting the application in WELL in advance of the cut off date.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 25, 2008, 10:44:35
OK, so here is what is happening as far as I understand it (this is after multiple emails to the RMC Liaison). 

The ROTP application says: "to ensure a competitive application submit all paper work by January 15, 2009".  The keyword is paperwork.  They highly recommend that your application is in by this point as to allow them the usual amount of time to do your processing (ie. CFAT, medical, and interview). In order to send it off to the powers that be in time for the February selection board. In theory, if you submitted your paperwork on February 1 and then by some miracle got all your processing done and off to Ottawa, you would stand (from a timing standpoint) just as good of a chance for getting accepted as someone who submitted their paperwork on December 1. It all depends on how far you want to push your luck.

I always figured paperwork also referred to the mountain of paperwork THEY have to do on your file and send it away for review. But that is good IF you do get more time, Id rather be early though - cutting close is never good. Glad you figured that out though, gives a much better chance
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on December 25, 2008, 14:31:03
I always figured paperwork also referred to the mountain of paperwork THEY have to do on your file and send it away for review. But that is good IF you do get more time, Id rather be early though - cutting close is never good. Glad you figured that out though, gives a much better chance

I totally agree, I just wanted to make sure that there weren't any ROTP hopefuls who after reading this thread called up their CFRC to demand their processing prior to January 15.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 25, 2008, 14:44:19
I totally agree, I just wanted to make sure that there weren't any ROTP hopefuls who after reading this thread called up their CFRC to demand their processing prior to January 15.

That's good hehe. I do not think the recruiters would appreciate those calls :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 27, 2008, 14:37:47
They have made their first round of selections already.

Don't panic ! They only selected approx 7-9 people with offers. These are the cream of the crop as I was told. The next round will start February 09.

This information was gathered from my RMC open house. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on December 28, 2008, 04:31:35
This is also the information I received. The people selected were the ones that were so amazing that RMC was afraid other universities might get to them first.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 28, 2008, 09:40:03
This is also the information I received. The people selected were the ones that were so amazing that RMC was afraid other universities might get to them first.

Jeeze why wasn't I called then  ;D

Ah well. Good for them.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 28, 2008, 13:39:41
Jeeze why wasn't I called then  ;D

Ah well. Good for them.

HAHA I think they lost your number
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: annieV on December 28, 2008, 15:31:08
This is also the information I received. The people selected were the ones that were so amazing that RMC was afraid other universities might get to them first.

I applied for ROTP for a trade that is not offered at RMC and my file did get sent in for the board in early December.  Has anyone heard if they only selected candidates that will be going to RMC, or if they looked at all of the ROTP trades and selected candidates attending civilian universities?  I'm going to try to be patient and wait a few more days to call the recruiting centre. 
Thanks.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on December 29, 2008, 00:12:38
HAHA I think they lost your number

Ah that must of been it.  :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on December 29, 2008, 00:44:04
I applied for ROTP for a trade that is not offered at RMC and my file did get sent in for the board in early December.  Has anyone heard if they only selected candidates that will be going to RMC, or if they looked at all of the ROTP trades and selected candidates attending civilian universities?  I'm going to try to be patient and wait a few more days to call the recruiting centre. 
Thanks.

Its just the initial selection for applicants of special interest, it is very limited. The bulk will be selected in February
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on January 01, 2009, 21:21:32
First of all, happy new year everyone.
I'm an applicant of RMC/ROTP, i have handed in my application and passed aptitude test
the thing is, since i haven't been in Canada for 10 consecutive years (it's been a little over 6 years), I would have
to go through the background check unless if i get a waver and still have medical and interveiw to go through
I read that the final deadline for this year's application is Jan 15th. So im kind of worried that i would miss
the deadline. In that case i have another alternative of going to civi u (i got an early acceptance already).
But i really want to get into RMC so....
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 01, 2009, 22:55:41
 Best if luck krkbl. Don't ever give up until the bitter end  :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on January 02, 2009, 04:45:27
As stated before krkbl, January 15 is only the application deadline. Processing does not need to be dome until the end of January/early February.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on January 02, 2009, 16:28:30
Thanks, i guess i'm just gonna have to wait and hope that the waver is done soon
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on January 04, 2009, 15:28:42
Well i am an applican of RMC/ROTP
I currently finished the aptitude test and waiting for the waver for my background check and still needs to do
medical and interview. I originally applied for Business administration program at RMC and business related program
in other civi u for ROTP to become a logistic officer. But i totally changed my mind and now want to take mechanical
engineering in RMC and other civi-u and become electrical/mechanical engineering officer. I wanted to ask because im gonna be contacting my local recruiting centre for sure but i wanted to know what other people thought. I'm not sure if i should carry on
and switch right now because the deadline is coming and i think iam pretty late as it is currently. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on January 04, 2009, 15:35:38
Start posting like a professional in a professional manner, as you claim you want to be an officer.  Take your options, weigh them, and make up you mind what you want to do in the future.  Don't take too long about doing this; then go immediately to your CFRC and make the appropriate changes.  Once you have done that, wait for all your documentation and processing to be done and then you will know how successful you have been in your application when they contact you with or without an offer.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 04, 2009, 19:39:48
 Well krkbl, there really isn't much anyone can really say about your choices. You know yourself better than anyone else and are therefore best informed and qualified to make that call about yourself. However, if you're in doubt just ask yourself "Do I think I can enjoy this for the next 10 years?".
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on January 06, 2009, 19:03:41
Well krkbl, there really isn't much anyone can really say about your choices. You know yourself better than anyone else and are therefore best informed and qualified to make that call about yourself. However, if you're in doubt just ask yourself "Do I think I can enjoy this for the next 10 years?".

Thanks for the reply, of course I knew it was my choice and I think you misinterpreted my question, i meant to ask if I would have enough time right now to make a change not whether or not i should switch from business to computer science, my mistake, shoulce made the qustion clear
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on January 06, 2009, 19:08:43
Start posting like a professional in a professional manner, as you claim you want to be an officer.  Take your options, weigh them, and make up you mind what you want to do in the future.  Don't take too long about doing this; then go immediately to your CFRC and make the appropriate changes.  Once you have done that, wait for all your documentation and processing to be done and then you will know how successful you have been in your application when they contact you with or without an offer.

Thanks for the reply, i did a lousy job in making the question clear. I meant to ask if i had enough time to make a change before the dealine not whether or not i should change my program. As that is my personal choice. But I did visit the recruiting centre and made a change already and got what I wanted.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 06, 2009, 23:25:37
 I think you can change the MOC you want after your first year, before they give you an offer for a specific MOC.

 Atleast that's what I was told when I asked.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on January 08, 2009, 08:56:59
I was told by two different parties that they give you an MOC in May following the year you start university. So if you start in September 09, you would have an officiel MOC in or around May 2010.

Since I chose intelligence as first choice, I was told that I may be approved for ROTP based on that, but come May 2010 they may put me in another position if there are no intelligence spots left.


This information seems a bit strange, so please correct it if you know it's not accurate.


Thanks.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 08, 2009, 10:52:07
I was told by two different parties that they give you an MOC in May following the year you start university. So if you start in September 09, you would have an officiel MOC in or around May 2010.

Since I chose intelligence as first choice, I was told that I may be approved for ROTP based on that, but come May 2010 they may put me in another position if there are no intelligence spots left.


This information seems a bit strange, so please correct it if you know it's not accurate.


Thanks.

I believe that's correct. My recruitment officer told me that they would try to get me in based on my 1st choice but to be aware that depending on demand it could be my 2nd or 3rd during my 2nd year in ROTP.

 I also remember hearing somewhere (like bms stated) that you can apply to a different moc or trade, I am not sure if it would have to be in the same family though (since that is what they based their decision of you around?)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on January 08, 2009, 20:14:22
What I was told was that you are selected for one of nine branches:
Naval Operations (MARS)
Naval Engineering (Marine Systems or Combat Systems Engineer)
Army Operations (Combat Arms: Infantry, Artillery, and Armour)
Army Engineering (Electrical and Mechanical Engineer and Combat Engineer (I think)
Air Operations (Pilot, Navigator, Air Controller)
Air Engineering (Airfield Engineer)
Support in all three elements (Nursing, Logician, Military Police, maybe Intelligence)

Don't quote me on the above, but I believe that's correct. Anyway lets say you apply first for Air Logician, second for Electrical and Mechanical Engineer, and Third for MARS. They will then review you and offer you a position in either Air Support, Army Engineering, or Naval Operations respectively. If you accept, for example, Army Engineering, at the end of your first year they will sit you down and based on how competitive you are either offer you your preferred trade (Electrical and Mechanical Engineer), or, if you are not deemed competitive, another trade from that branch (in this case, Combat Engineer) and then you will be trade designated and good-to-go for trade training. The only exception to this is MARS as it is the only trade in the Naval Operations Branch.

NOTE: From what I was told, if you want a trade outside of your branch you have to tell someone and get the paperwork going. If you do not get your intended trade at then end of first year you will only be given a choice of trades within the same branch no matter what your choices were when you applied.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on January 08, 2009, 21:26:48
That makes a lot of sense, thank you!

However, I would hate to be chosen for Intelligence and after all is said and done, there's not enough positions and I end up as a nurse  :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on January 09, 2009, 00:14:42
Support trades are really wacky because you actually need relevant experience for some of them ie. a Nursing degree. Intelligence has just been entered into the ROTP system to the best of my knowledge so I will leave that to people who receive pay cheques.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on January 09, 2009, 23:25:35
If you are in the the position to be offered your 2nd or 3rd choice, you have the ability to withdraw from the Forces all together without owing a dime.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 13, 2009, 23:35:40
Well, about a month from now a lot of us should know our fates for the next several years  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 14, 2009, 11:42:41
 Yep ;D.

 And not only that, the deadline is tomorrow :D.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 14, 2009, 12:31:10
Yep ;D.

 And not only that, the deadline is tomorrow :D.

I think we have that covered bms :P  October seemed not so long ago.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 14, 2009, 12:44:32
 I know what you mean. The first round of selections seemed so far away. But now, they're next month. Even the deadline seemed like something arbitrarily in the future. Now the deadline is tomrrow, and selections are soon after.

 Honestly, I don't think I can wait  :o
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 14, 2009, 12:48:27
I know what you mean. The first round of selections seemed so far away. But now, they're next month. Even the deadline seemed like something arbitrarily in the future. Now the deadline is tomrrow, and selections are soon after.

 Honestly, I don't think I can wait  :o

Well, I feel content with whatever the decision on my file is.

 If I make ROTP and go RMC, great.
 If I make ROTP and go Civvie U, great.
 If I DO NOT make ROTP, bummer. But NCM seems just as appealing :)

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 14, 2009, 13:51:47
 Same here. I'm not really concerned whether they select me or not. The whole officer/NCM debate has stalemated in my mind, so either way, I'll be extremely happy  ;D.

 Only a short time to wait now anyways  :).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tyciol on January 21, 2009, 04:49:24
Since you've mentioned graduate studies, I have a question about that. When you are in the forces (either a ROTP degree, or someone with a degree who enters the military), are most Masters/Doctorates from RMC done by correspondance? I ask because it seems that you would be serving in a military job, and unless you happened to be stationed in a Kingston base, you wouldn't be able to simultaneously physically commute to school while also serving at military bases, especially when you're deployed abroad to fight.

I know graduate programs are more oriented towards independant study, so maybe correspondance isn't as much of a problem? Do people do their graduate projects while abroad and consult their observing professors over video phone or something like that?

One thing I was wondering if it is possible, is if you did RMC for a Bachelor's, then after your 5 years compulsory, returned to do graduate studies? I've been told that when you drop out of the forces that when you rejoin you need to do everything over again, but would that apply if it were only 2-3 years or something while you were upgrading your education to benefit the army from it? Or is it expected that you would do these studies concurrently with military duties, and do to that it would take longer than normal to complete the graduate degrees than people spending full time on it? Maybe there is a way to incorporate graduate projects into one's duties?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: flashBAAANG on January 25, 2009, 17:13:04
Hi there, I was just wondering...

The occupations that you put on your application... how hard is it to change them? I have to rewrite my aptitude test in a few months (which actually worked out because I would have gotten in based on my original occupation choice), and I was wondering if, when I call them to set up the appointment that I could tell them then about my change? My original choices were: 1. Infantry Officer 2. Intelligence and 3. Armour Officer, and I feel as though I've made a mistake. I'm not even sure if I want the Army as my number one choice anymore... do you think that'll be a problem? I realize I have to tell them before I take the test, that way they can see if my score will allow me in to such a position. I also realize that you don't get assigned an occupation until after your first year at RMC... how does that work anyways?

Thank-you for your time. (:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Spandrel on January 25, 2009, 17:25:32
Sounds like a perfect question that the fine sailors, soldiers and airwomen/airmen at your local Canadian Forces Recruiting Centre would be more than happy to answer.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on January 26, 2009, 02:37:53
Well, if you haven't been processed yet / haven't been accepted to ROTP yet, which seems to be the case, then it's as easy as telling the CFRC "hey, can we scratch out those occupations and put these ones in instead?" And they will say "Sure, no problem. Initial here."

As for your question about not getting a trade until after your first year, here's how it works. If you get accepted to the ROTP, they will give you an "occupational grouping" based on your interests. For example, my occupational grouping is Land Training, this is because I had Infantry listed as my #1. In these groupings are 3-4 trades. For me, it's Infantry, Armoured, Artillery.

At the end of the year, you will be interviewed and assigned a trade within your occupational grouping. You can then choose to accept or decline without any financial obligation.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on January 26, 2009, 10:45:11
I realize I have to tell them before I take the test, that way they can see if my score will allow me in to such a position.

Wrong.  There are no individual CFAT scores for Officer occupations there is one minimum CFAT score that you must attain to be eligible for officer.  The only exception is AEC which requires a higher score to be met.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: flashBAAANG on January 26, 2009, 20:59:04
At the end of the year, you will be interviewed and assigned a trade within your occupational grouping. You can then choose to accept or decline without any financial obligation.

Alright... so say I got in and stayed with Infantry... at that point I could change to another trade? Armour for example? Or decline it altogether?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: flashBAAANG on January 26, 2009, 21:00:07
Wrong.  There are no individual CFAT scores for Officer occupations there is one minimum CFAT score that you must attain to be eligible for officer.  The only exception is AEC which requires a higher score to be met.

o:

I wasn't aware of that... I saw they had numbers written above each occupation and just assumed. /:
Thanks!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on January 26, 2009, 21:03:53
At the end of the year, you will be interviewed and assigned a trade within your occupational grouping. You can then choose to accept or decline without any financial obligation.

Alright... so say I got in and stayed with Infantry... at that point I could change to another trade? Armour for example? Or decline it altogether?

Umm!  Perhaps you shouldn't go this route after all.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: flashBAAANG on January 26, 2009, 21:05:54
Umm!  Perhaps you shouldn't go this route after all.

What do you mean? xD
I'm just trying to make sure I understand how it works. I'm not saying I'd do that.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on January 26, 2009, 21:17:00

Alright... so say I got in and stayed with Infantry... at that point I could change to another trade? Armour for example? Or decline it altogether?


Umm!  Perhaps you shouldn't go this route after all.

Hahaha... George I didn't know you cracked jokes!

Sigh... You will be offered a trade at the end of the year, at which point you must either accept or decline the offer. You don't choose which trade(s) they offer you, you just choose to accept it or not.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 27, 2009, 12:13:37
So if a person did want to switch trades preference, (in the same family). It is possible DURING your first year? I know it is only your preference and you go where you are needed of course.

Because I am currently down as Armour > Artillery > Infantry > (Combat Engineer being 4th of course but only wants your top 3)

The first 3 have been neck and neck on my interests. So If one does emerge the victor during my first year (IF I get a first year ha). Then I could switch my PREFERENCE?

Thanks.
Marshall
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RecceO on January 28, 2009, 10:26:03
As a First Year RMC cadet under this new system, I don't think anyone (other than those in charge of assigning these trades) can tell you exactly what happens. Within the next couple of months is when we will see this new system. AFAIK the only VORs they accepted for first years was anyone who wanted to do pilot, and had not attended aircrew selection. Other than that we've heard nothing. One would assume that you will be able to change preferences when the time comes, especially for those at RMC who are exposed to different parts of the CF on MOC weekend.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 28, 2009, 12:54:05
 Update: Got more paperwork today. Specifically, the paperwork for BackCheck. It includes educational, employment, and personal background as well as 5 educational, employment, or personal references.

 Hopefully in by Monday.

 Anyone else recieve this in the mail?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on January 28, 2009, 13:09:26
Kinda funny note related to backcheck.
On Monday they phoned the school asking for my educational reference, He's in CFB Edmonton doing pre deployment training, And they phoned my work because that's where my personal reference is, she left that morning for 2 weeks in the Dominican Republic, then on Tuesday my co-worker who is my employment reference yells at me "What kind of company phones at 0830 for a reference(it was his day off on Monday), and then I changed my ed reference to my other teacher who happens to be the wife of my original ed reference, and it took a while for the person on the phone to get that all I wanted to do was change the first name and that all the rest of the info was the same.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 28, 2009, 18:26:04
Update: Got more paperwork today. Specifically, the paperwork for BackCheck. It includes educational, employment, and personal background as well as 5 educational, employment, or personal references.

 Hopefully in by Monday.

 Anyone else recieve this in the mail?

Never got mentioned to about this yet.. Is this happening to all the applicants?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on January 28, 2009, 18:36:10
Never got mentioned to about this yet.. Is this happening to all the applicants?

I can't remember needing more than a couple references, but I passed in all my paperwork over a year ago. Haven't gotten anything other then Aircrew Selection stuff since then...and I was glad to finish it all when I had, hopefully there won't be more. Plus I'll need to find 5 references which might be tough since I hardly know any profs.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 28, 2009, 18:49:48
I can't remember needing more than a couple references, but I passed in all my paperwork over a year ago. Haven't gotten anything other then Aircrew Selection stuff since then...and I was glad to finish it all when I had, hopefully there won't be more. Plus I'll need to find 5 references which might be tough since I hardly know any profs.

I am thinking it would be hard too, especially if I do not get it ASAP and get it later.. since they make their selections (I thought they already started) soon? I know enough references, but to get in contact with them all in short time may be a bit hard. hehe but I will do whatever it takes
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 28, 2009, 19:38:05
 It's the forms for BackCheck. I've never seen the forms before until today. They're basically just consenting for the release of your personal information.

 References are easy for me. Cadet CO, Training Officer, Duke of Edinburgh Coordinator, High School Principal, Social Sciences Department Head.

 I posted this so that you guys can know what to possibly expect.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 29, 2009, 16:12:55
It's the forms for BackCheck. I've never seen the forms before until today. They're basically just consenting for the release of your personal information.

 References are easy for me. Cadet CO, Training Officer, Duke of Edinburgh Coordinator, High School Principal, Social Sciences Department Head.

 I posted this so that you guys can know what to possibly expect.

Nothing in my mail yet :/ Anyone else?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on January 29, 2009, 22:26:06
Hang in there, selection baord sits February 12.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on January 29, 2009, 22:27:16
I mean selection board.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 29, 2009, 22:43:53
Hang in there, selection baord sits February 12.

Oh ok that is a little further then I thought. I was referring to the Backcheck form that BMS got. Gee I hope I do get it soon then If it is coming, February 12 is not far away  >:D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 29, 2009, 22:57:56
 I dunno. It says in the accompanying letter the form is used to conduct screening for all potential Canadian Forces prospects.

 Honestly, what this says to me is "You made it to the selection board. Just call 5 people.". If not, why would they bother giving me more paperwork. Especially since everything else went through perfectly.

 Only time will tell.

 PS: YEEEEEAAAAAAAH... After all this time, the selection board sits NEXT month.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 29, 2009, 23:09:32

 PS: YEEEEEAAAAAAAH... After all this time, the selection board sits NEXT month.

haha yeah. Well I was not expecting a response until mid-February anyways.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on January 29, 2009, 23:58:08
I dunno. It says in the accompanying letter the form is used to conduct screening for all potential Canadian Forces prospects.

 Honestly, what this says to me is "You made it to the selection board. Just call 5 people.". If not, why would they bother giving me more paperwork. Especially since everything else went through perfectly.

 Only time will tell.

 PS: YEEEEEAAAAAAAH... After all this time, the selection board sits NEXT month.

Not to burst your bubble, but I got my BackCheck information package with my application package, your recruiting centre properly just forgot to give it to you or your recruiting centre only gives it to you after you are merit-listed.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 30, 2009, 00:07:32
 If you are selected in February, you'd probably hear about it in March. I mean, the 12th... I'm assuming there is quite a bit of paperwork to be completed and also dealing with all the local CFRCs and etc. Plus they probably wouldn't be in any serious urgent hurry to make sure everyone selected knew about it.

 If I get that call, it would probably be the happiest day in my life so far. Not that wierd happy where you dance around and all that crap. Maybe satisfied would be a better word  ::). I mean, it means that you nearly have the next stage of your life set up for you. It's big.

 P.S.: TD, I've had everything else done for quite a while. If something made me ineligible, they wouldn't send me another booklet to fill out. They'd of told me "Sorry, you're not eligible". And I think you're right; my medical came back clear and the whole snail mail thing takes a little while, so I was merit listed and they sent me the back check forms.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on January 30, 2009, 00:10:24
I must have filled all this stuff out previous. I've never received anything in the mail and I've already been merit listed...

Odd.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 30, 2009, 00:26:07
 It's titled "DND Personal Data Verification Consent". It includes "5 Year Employment Verification", "Educational Verification", "Employment and Personal References"(5 references), and "Personal Data Verification".

 Everyone else may have already filled it out. I was curious if anyone else got it by mail.

 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PuffinFresh on January 30, 2009, 01:16:47
I have nothing in the mail so far...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on January 30, 2009, 03:17:16
bms,

I hope you didn't misunderstand me, I didn't mean the the paperwork meant you were ineligible, I'm certain it didn't mean that. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think it meant you were accepted.

Here's to hoping to see you at the College in mid-August.

Again, best of luck to everyone.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 30, 2009, 06:42:22
 What? I knew I wasn't accepted yet. Not even sure if I will be selected. I just said if I fill out this form, I make it to the selection boatd  ;D.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 30, 2009, 09:41:59
So far BMS is the only one?.. I will have to check my mail before work just to make sure.


Maybe they think you are a terrorist or something  :P
or I may just live further away from wherever the mail came.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on January 30, 2009, 11:17:40
It is all together possible that you have already done the Back Check forms (as I did when I first applied). If not, I'm sure you'll get it eventually. I don't think its crucial right now do the fact that while you are at RMC, they are not going to release any national secrets to you.  Also, it may depend on what trade you are applying for and the security clearance attached (although if I remember correctly Marshall, you also need Top Secret clearance as you are becoming a MARS Officer.)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on January 30, 2009, 12:25:23
 I called the CFRC just now. I have to have the form faxed in by February 5th or I won't get my name down for ROTP. I was partially correct. Phone 5 people, and I make it to the selection board  ;D.


Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Elvis_forever on January 30, 2009, 16:34:23
Hang in there, selection baord sits February 12.
The helpful staff at the London CFRC say that the selection board will sit on Feb 5th, and that the candidates selected will be contacted by the middle of February.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: GurneyHalleck on January 30, 2009, 23:54:03
I did international schooling while at civi-U and it was well worth my time. 

...

I suspect the same is true for people studying conflict, history, languages, and development engineering
First of all, please pardon me for necroing this thread

Can anyone definitively answer whether it is possible to do international exchanges while at RMC or while on ROTP with a Civilian university? I have a mind to take a term or two abroad, specifically to learn Arabic. I haven't yet found any school in Canada that offers Arabic language courses - though McGill has an Arabic studies course, I think this is more culture oriented. And, frankly, the best way to learn a language is to live it. I figure that with the global political climate being what it is right now, fluency in Arabic just might be an asset for someone with ambitions toward military intelligence.

I suppose the obvious follow up question to that would be "Is spending a year in a country where Arabic is spoken going to scare the crap out of DND when they go to do my security clearances?"
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on January 31, 2009, 00:13:37
I called the CFRC just now. I have to have the form faxed in by February 5th or I won't get my name down for ROTP. I was partially correct. Phone 5 people, and I make it to the selection board  ;D.




It must have been something to do with your file, what I am not sure. I am sure they would have put more haste into sending them if they are due the 5th. Since it seems no one else who are ROTP applicants on here have received it. Or they just will not respond.  ;D Ah well I've done what I can.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on January 31, 2009, 00:26:18
I really don't think that RMC, or anyone on ROTP, has much of an opportunity to do international exchanges.   People doing higher education levels or specialist crses are more apt to get those.   As for becoming a linguist and thinking it is a good way to get into Military Intelligence; there are translators for that.  They are usually found in the Signals Trade.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: GurneyHalleck on January 31, 2009, 01:05:19
I really don't think that RMC, or anyone on ROTP, has much of an opportunity to do international exchanges.   People doing higher education levels or specialist crses are more apt to get those.   As for becoming a linguist and thinking it is a good way to get into Military Intelligence; there are translators for that.  They are usually found in the Signals Trade.
Fair enough. It is just one path I am looking at as, well it might be presumptuous to say I have a facility for languages, I've certainly always had an easy time with them and very much enjoyed learning them. If you're going to educate yourself, it might as well be in a subject that interests you. I have a hard time seeing speaking a 4th language (I speak some german as well) being a bad thing if I were headed for Intelligence.

I spent a little time reading biographies of the current ship Commanders and XOs, they seem to be a fairly mixed lot in terms of education - the most common probably being BA in MASS, though not a majority by any stretch. I suppose one might expect this in the military, though I wonder whether this is because they are more desirable or more available. Military history and strategy are also interests of mine, but I worry that studying it for 4 years might ruin that and/or turn me into a one-track mind. I was thinking perhaps a Classical studies degree (turns out UBC does offer Arabic courses, hooray) which although clearly not a traditional path to military advancement, offers a great deal in terms of critical thinking, history and languages - a pretty well rounded education. It's certainly more applicable to civilian life, should I turn out not to want to serve for 20 or 30 years (or should the military decide it doesn't want me serving).

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: breezie on January 31, 2009, 12:39:47
Being at RMC myself, I would be guessing that any exchanges to other military schools overseas might be difficult for civi U students. The reason being, here at RMC we are living a military lifestyle everyday, so its easier for us to go from one military setting to another. For civi U students, who are civi during the school year, and only do the military side during the summer, it might be difficult to balance all the demands of school with everything you need to do to succeed in the military aspects. I could be totally wrong about this, but I've done civilian university before, and there's so much that you learn here, just by being in this environment, and it becomes second nature to you. I wish you all the best though, if you want something bad enough, there's usually a way to figure it out.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on January 31, 2009, 12:45:37
The answer is no.

ROTP students are not eligible for overseas exchanges/study terms. Some RMC types get the opportunity to go to Sandhurst competitions etc, but that's about it as far as 'exchanges' go. There have been exceptions but they are extremely rare.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: breezie on January 31, 2009, 14:18:05
That's not entirely true though. One of my flight leaders spent a term last year at USAFA, two guys just came back from spending last term at West Point, and two are just about to head to France to attend L'Ecole de l'aire for a term. Going to RMC does have some unique opportunities, that's for sure. :salute:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MedCorps on January 31, 2009, 17:44:54
Again I echo that, people's comments are not entirely true.

I did a full year (3 semesters) exchange in the USA with another University while on ROTP at Civi U doing my undergrad. 

Just needed to justify the rational and have the Branch I was going to sponsor the costs.  This was in the mid to late 1990's but I know it has happened at least once more in the last 2 years. 

Cheers,

MC

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: GurneyHalleck on January 31, 2009, 23:20:58
Again I echo that, people's comments are not entirely true.

I did a full year (3 semesters) exchange in the USA with another University while on ROTP at Civi U doing my undergrad. 

Just needed to justify the rational and have the Branch I was going to sponsor the costs.  This was in the mid to late 1990's but I know it has happened at least once more in the last 2 years. 

Cheers,

MC
Well I am glad to know it is possible. Mind if I PM you a few questions about ROTP at a Civilian uni?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on February 01, 2009, 17:52:24
Again I echo that, people's comments are not entirely true.

I did a full year (3 semesters) exchange in the USA with another University while on ROTP at Civi U doing my undergrad. 

Just needed to justify the rational and have the Branch I was going to sponsor the costs.  This was in the mid to late 1990's but I know it has happened at least once more in the last 2 years. 

Cheers,

MC



Like I said, it happens. But it's rare. It's one of those things I wouldn't count on. The big thing is funding, someone has to be willing to foot the bill for it. You're a Med O I assume...was it something specific that you couldn't do at your school?

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That's not entirely true though. One of my flight leaders spent a term last year at USAFA, two guys just came back from spending last term at West Point, and two are just about to head to France to attend L'Ecole de l'aire for a term. Going to RMC does have some unique opportunities, that's for sure.

I believe that's because it's treated like an exchange (same idea as us sending a pilot down to a US unit for a period of time, etc etc). It's harder for the civvie-u types because getting sent to another school overseas for a term isn't the same as a Mil Col to a Mil Col exchange.

You have to prove that it's applicable to your education and a good deal for the CF.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cheeky_monkey on February 01, 2009, 18:23:52
The answer is no.

ROTP students are not eligible for overseas exchanges/study terms. Some RMC types get the opportunity to go to Sandhurst competitions etc, but that's about it as far as 'exchanges' go. There have been exceptions but they are extremely rare.
Like I said, it happens. But it's rare. It's one of those things I wouldn't count on.

Wrong.

These exchanges are commonplace. Already been pointed out by another poster. As a side note, I'm actually going down to West Point on the 5th. No, such things are not rare.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on February 01, 2009, 18:47:03
Wrong.

These exchanges are commonplace. Already been pointed out by another poster. As a side note, I'm actually going down to West Point on the 5th. No, such things are not rare.

Just curious.

You are going down to West Point on the 5th.  For how long and why (Crse) ?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cheeky_monkey on February 01, 2009, 21:51:09
West Point Weekend. Yes, a weekend, however it is one of those little trips that apparently don't happen very often. My point is that RMC and USMA West Point have a history of exchanges, weekends trips and the like. Piper's statement that these things don't happen very often isn't true.

Some RMC types get the opportunity to go to Sandhurst competitions etc, but that's about it as far as 'exchanges' go.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on February 01, 2009, 22:07:34
West Point Weekend. Yes, a weekend, however it is one of those little trips that apparently don't happen very often. My point is that RMC and USMA West Point have a history of exchanges, weekends trips and the like. Piper's statement that these things don't happen very often isn't true.


I don't think you have paid enough detail to this discusion.  This isn't about a weekend trip to West Point.  This topic is about the chances for an exchange where a person can do a year or two of studies at a foreign university, be it civilian or a military college.

No one has denied that weekend and other "visits" don't happen.  It is the actual long term study at another university.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on February 01, 2009, 22:08:11
Wrong.

These exchanges are commonplace. Already been pointed out by another poster. As a side note, I'm actually going down to West Point on the 5th. No, such things are not rare.

The original topic was about studying abroad, for example..."study a semester in Australia". Around normal university campuses these options are widespread and varied. The OP was asking about being able to go on one of these.

A weekend in West Point IS NOT an exchange...nor is it 'studying abroad for a semester' which was the OP's original question. We are talking about two different things. So yes, I am right.

For CIVVIE U types, being allowed to study abroad is a rarity. Going down to West Point for a booze-soaked jaunt is something completely different.

So, next time, READ the original question, ENGAGE your brain and THEN start typing.

 ::)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cheeky_monkey on February 02, 2009, 00:41:46
I don't think you have paid enough detail to this discusion.  This isn't about a weekend trip to West Point.  This topic is about the chances for an exchange where a person can do a year or two of studies at a foreign university, be it civilian or a military college.

No one has denied that weekend and other "visits" don't happen.  It is the actual long term study at another university.

I understand that, however Piper did state RMC only has limited opportunities to study or travel abroad. I know this to be false.

ROTP students are not eligible for overseas exchanges/study terms. Some RMC types get the opportunity to go to Sandhurst competitions etc, but that's about it as far as 'exchanges' go. There have been exceptions but they are extremely rare.

A weekend in West Point IS NOT an exchange...nor is it 'studying abroad for a semester' which was the OP's original question. We are talking about two different things. So yes, I am right.
No, you're right, it's not. However you stated RMC had limited opportunities, aside from Sandhurst Competition, to travel to other Military Academies. This is not true. Hence my informing you of the USMA trip of which a large number of cadets will be taking part.
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Going down to West Point for a booze-soaked jaunt is something completely different.
So, next time, READ the original question, ENGAGE your brain and THEN start typing.

Debatable. Also, don't assume there will be a booze soaked jaunt, apparently you don't understand how strict USMA is when it comes to alcohol. Return to and don't stray from your lane when it comes to info concerning RMC.

Edited for SP
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on February 02, 2009, 02:10:35
cheeky_monkey;

Don't tell me to stay in my lane re: RMC. I've got looooooooooooooots of friends who go there and I know exactly what goes on (all those facebook pictures are great evidence too, not that I really care what you guys do, nothing worse then what goes on here). Everyone else here got the gist of what I was saying except you. You guys have lots of opportunities to travel and spend terms at various Mil Cols (mostly USMA). Notice the 'etc' I added after 'Sandhurst'.

I was referring to civvie-u types when I was referring to limited opportunities.  As far as ROTP goes, RMC types get most, if not nearly all, of the opportunities for any kind of 'exchange' or 'visit'. That's what I said, and it's telling that you're the only one who didn't catch on.

This is rediculous. I'll state my point again, in simple language just for you;

- For the most part, the chance to study abroad for a semester (of the 'study in country X' type) is not available to any ROTP types, although there have been exceptions when the case is made in favour of it.
- In the case of RMC, they get the opportunity to travel for short periods of time (Sandhurst et al) to other Mil Cols, and occasionally go on longer exchanges (treated like your standard exchange that we find across the CF). They do not normally, with very rare exceptions, get the chance to study at civvy schools for a term (same as civvie-u ROTP types).

And RMC, compared to normal students in normal schools, DO have limited opportunities to travel. This is because every trip is done at the taxpayers expense, hence why they aren't as available as they would be on a civvy campus (I could go study in Madagascar if I wanted to, if I was a civvy) and are more 'military' in nature.

Your screen name is rather appropriate at this moment. Back to your corner.


Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Lumber on February 02, 2009, 02:41:14
Going down to West Point for a booze-soaked jaunt is something completely different.

Going down to USMA is most definitely not a booze-soaked jaunt. It's coming up to RMC from USMA that's a booze-soaked jaunt. :cheers:

Your screen name is rather appropriate at this moment. Back to your corner.

Now now, personal swipes are not only against forum conduct, they're also a sign of a poor leader. Correct the man; state your position. Other than that, be civil.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on February 02, 2009, 13:09:49
Now now, personal swipes are not only against forum conduct, they're also a sign of a poor leader. Correct the man; state your position. Other than that, be civil.

Oh I just knew it was a matter of time until you chimed in. It's not an insult, merely an observation of the appropriatness of the poster's display name.

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Going down to USMA is most definitely not a booze-soaked jaunt. It's coming up to RMC from USMA that's a booze-soaked jaunt. :cheers:

I always found the Ex-Cadet weekend to be a better party anyways, but thats just IMHO.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Clew on February 03, 2009, 11:10:51
Hey, I'm waiting for acceptance as well. It's really stressful! I want to know so badly!!
How do they contact you? By mail or phone?
Just wondering, anyone here from Nova Scotia applying to RMC?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 03, 2009, 11:12:50
Hey, I'm waiting for acceptance as well. It's really stressful! I want to know so badly!!
How do they contact you? By mail or phone?
Just wondering, anyone here from Nova Scotia applying to RMC?

Annapolis Valley here :)

And I believe they contact you by phone.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 03, 2009, 13:13:50
 Hurray, more people  ;D.

 Update: Forms have been faxed in. Let's hope and pray we here something by the end of the month  :-\.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Clew on February 03, 2009, 14:53:56
Awesome! I'm from Halifax. Glad there are some maritimers!
When I went up to see RMC over christmas break everyone there was from ontario!  ::)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 03, 2009, 15:43:52
 I'm not from the maritimes... I'm from Newfoundland  ;D. Close, but technically incorrect  :-[.

 Maybe thats because everyone else went home or somewhere else for the break... I know I want to go somewhere over Christmas break next year if I make it to RMC... ROAD TRIP!!! Whew.

 
 By the way Clew, what trades did you apply for and what degree are you going for? So far, most of the people who posted are going for a Combat Arms position with a MSS degree.

 2 days to the selection board sits... Electricity is in the air.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Clew on February 03, 2009, 15:55:41
HA! never knew Newfoundland wasn't part of the maritimes, had to look that up to make sure!
I applied for intelligence officer, with a degree in either political sciences or economics. You?
I went at the end of christmas break so there were quite a few people there, but you're right alot must have been away. I have been recruited to one of their varsity teams and most of the people on the team are from ontario. was hoping for some more maritimers!
If i get in I won't be taking a road trip during christmas break, hahah i'll be going home! second year i'll definitely go on a trip though!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 03, 2009, 16:55:21
 I applied for Infantry Officer as my first choice(I think so... been a while since I saw the paperwork  ;D) and I was either a MMS or History degree.

 I didn't bother with varsity teams. Though I was standing on a lot of athletic achievements(mostly wrestling), I don't really think I want to get involved in the whole varsity sports thing. Though I might consider going for Small Forward or Shooting Guard on the basketball team depending on how things play out.

 Psh... You say that now. After a semester, you'll probably want to go nuts.

 I just thought of something... First years can go to either RMCC or RMCSJ. So, what if we all get seperated in the first year? If we don't meat early, we'll probably never meet  :o. Assuming we all get in of course.  :blotto:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Clew on February 03, 2009, 18:09:26
or what if we do talk to each other and don't know that we've actually talked before? hahaha
assuming we get in.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 03, 2009, 19:28:20
BMS, we can always hook up in Kingston 2nd year regardless unless you plan on ditching the Milnet.ca boards :P

And I never received those backcheck forms, odd. Oh well :)

or what if we do talk to each other and don't know that we've actually talked before? hahaha
assuming we get in.

I will prance around in my army.ca shirt and that should be a good sign. haha
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on February 03, 2009, 19:58:19
Marshall, you're from the Valley too? Crazy. I'm from Berwick but I'm going to Dalhousie right now.

Suppose that means we're competition for each other? haha
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 03, 2009, 20:10:33
 Good points guys... We can arrange meetings on the board  ;D. I don't think I'll ditch Milnet... Maybe in a few years, I can actually contribute  :-*.

 Maybe you did the BackCheck forms already. If they haven't said anything, don't worry about it.

 Plus, once we find out who's accepted where... Pictures? A lot easier than looking for an army.ca tee.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on February 03, 2009, 20:18:14
I filled out the backcheck form when I applied, it was part of the package. One of my references was called yesterday, so I'm guessing the others ones have/will be called soon too.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 03, 2009, 21:03:27
Marshall, you're from the Valley too? Crazy. I'm from Berwick but I'm going to Dalhousie right now.

Suppose that means we're competition for each other? haha

I guess you could say that ha. Although I do not think they pick people from every county or anything. Pretty sure they would take them all from one place if they are all at the top of the list ha. ^.^

Good points guys... We can arrange meetings on the board  ;D. I don't think I'll ditch Milnet... Maybe in a few years, I can actually contribute  :-*.

 Maybe you did the BackCheck forms already. If they haven't said anything, don't worry about it.

 Plus, once we find out who's accepted where... Pictures? A lot easier than looking for an army.ca tee.

I do not recall it but who knows. No arguments here ha. And yeah pictures could work.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on February 04, 2009, 14:46:55
I am in the process of completing a BA degree at UWO (I'm in first year). I had wanted to apply for ROTP for pilot 2009-2010 but wasn't able to. So now I am wondering if I apply for ROTP for pilot 2010-2011 now will it take into account that I will be in the second year of my degree, even though as of my time of application I will still only be in first year? And will this help or hinder my chances of being accepted?

Also, I am unsure if I have done enough to be accepted, so I will give a quick run through of what my "experiences" would be like. I played junior hockey at the age of 15 (I am now 19) and now consider myself a leader on my team. I also was a captain on both the high school soccer team, and high school football team. I was a camp counsellor/leader at a summer camp 3 years ago. I play both drums and guitar frequently (I don't know if that is of importance though  :P)And my average at UWO is around 75-80% as of right now. I am just concerned if that will be enough, so I was just wondering if anyone has any insight on this?

Lastly, I would have posted this on a different topic as it was talking about this, however it has not been posted on for over 100 days, but I noticed someone saying they had turned down 3 previous ROTP offers before receiving the one they wanted. Does this mean they had to reapply each year or what?

Sorry for the long post, but hopefully some answers can be answered here.

Thanks, DY
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on February 04, 2009, 16:16:00
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So now I am wondering if I apply for ROTP for pilot 2010-2011 now will it take into account that I will be in the second year of my degree, even though as of my time of application I will still only be in first year? And will this help or hinder my chances of being accepted?

I started up ROTP after 1st year. They will check before you sign on the line, exactly how many years you need to finish up, regardless of what you have when you first applied.

So I only have 3 years of ROTP, not 4.

No, it wont hinder you chances of being accepted. Just means they don't have to spend as much on you ;)

However, for RMC, you have to start from year one. Which is unfortunate.

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but I noticed someone saying they had turned down 3 previous ROTP offers before receiving the one they wanted. Does this mean they had to reapply each year or what?

I think that was me.

I turned down the other offers because the vision standards had not yet changed for pilot, but i had continually heard it was changing "soon"... so rather than accept the second choice, I opted to wait and apply the following year, 3 times lol. Till the 4th time it changed.

Yes, you need to resubmit a new application each time, with new references. Also need to redo all the medicals.  Although they keep everything you submit from each year. So my application file was pretty thick by the 4th year.

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Also, I am unsure if I have done enough to be accepted, so I will give a quick run through of what my "experiences" would be like. I played junior hockey at the age of 15 (I am now 19) and now consider myself a leader on my team. I also was a captain on both the high school soccer team, and high school football team. I was a camp counsellor/leader at a summer camp 3 years ago. I play both drums and guitar frequently (I don't know if that is of importance though  Tongue)And my average at UWO is around 75-80% as of right now. I am just concerned if that will be enough, so I was just wondering if anyone has any insight on this?

I think you have a good chance of being accepted, You likely have more on your list than I did when i first applied back when i was 17 or so. But being accepted for ROTP is different from being accepted for Pilot. At present, you are listed under Air Ops, and don't find out your final MOC until the end of the first semester of school.

Hope this helps

Corey
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on February 04, 2009, 18:35:00
Thanks a lot Corey! I was actually hoping you would be the one to reply to my post since you were the one that I had mentioned haha. Your answers helped out a lot! So it was a 4 year process for you? That's dedication!  :o Since I'm already in my first year at UWO(this means my first subsidized year would be my third) I don't have a lot of years to try for ROTP, so I'm really hoping on getting Air Ops on my first try, so that's why I just want to make sure of everything before applying. But also, if I submit an application now I won't know until next January if I have been accepted? And also do you do Aircrew Selection only if you are accepted for ROTP?

Thanks again for the answers!

DY
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on February 04, 2009, 22:02:36
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But also, if I submit an application now I won't know until next January if I have been accepted?

Actually, it may be as late as April/May-ish.

The dead line for Aircrew applications is ~ Feb 4th i think, so you just missed it for this year.

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And also do you do Aircrew Selection only if you are accepted for ROTP?

I actually can't recall what happened first for me.... I'm pretty sure I received my Air Ops offer before leaving for ASC.

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So it was a 4 year process for you? That's dedication!  Shocked

I want pilot  >:D

But it was probably for the best. If i had either been given pilot right off the bat, or accepted their offers, I would not have gained all the valuable life experience I have over the past 4 years.

In that time, I met my girlfriend, bought and imported my first car (then taught my self to disassemble and reassemble said car), got a well paying job at the Nanaimo Airport as a supervisor and refueller for the Fuel farm, and have now moved into my first place with my GF in Victoria. And in the mid term, went to a couple university classes to keep up with it while working full time.

Never would have had any of that if i went straight in after high school. So I'm sure my application looks a bit better now because of it, and I've learned a lot. I've also proved to myself how much i want this.

Cheers

Corey
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on February 05, 2009, 00:12:27
Glad to hear that everything worked out for you! Dedicated people like you are what the Canadian Forces are all about. :salute: I am pretty dedicated to achieving my goal of becoming a pilot, so hopefully I find myself in your place in a couple years time. I want this bad, and if I want it bad enough hopefully it will happen. So thanks for all the help and insight, and for taking the time to answer my questions. I really appreciate it. Keep me updated with your progress, and I'll do the same.

Take care, and thanks again,

DY
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 05, 2009, 10:40:36
So today the board supposedly sits  :o
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on February 05, 2009, 12:39:47
And also do you do Aircrew Selection only if you are accepted for ROTP?

I went to Aircrew this past summer and I haven't received an offer yet. I don't think any other ROTP applicants that were there the same week as me had either.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on February 05, 2009, 13:14:32
Oh ok. Because I'm in sort of a dilemma. I don't know whether to apply right now, which would hopefully help me get to Aircrew Selection quicker, or apply closer to the ROTP deadline to make sure I have all of my summer leadership opportunities on it. Can I add on to a submitted application if I was to apply real soon? For example, if I coach a football or soccer team this upcoming summer, would I be able to add that to my application even if I have already submitted it?

And just out of curiosity, how did aircirew selection go for you?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on February 05, 2009, 20:14:45
Who knows...this is the third date I've heard that it's supposed to be on.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 05, 2009, 20:29:16
 More than one CFRC said February 5th. There was another small selection before this one for people RMC didn't want to lose.

 If you want to know for certain, call a CFRC. They have the information on when the selections are.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on February 05, 2009, 20:30:43
do any of you guys know how many people approximately apply for RMC/ROTP and how many people get accepted?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 05, 2009, 20:31:10
Eh the 5th is what I heard. It concerns me little though, since we won't know either way until late feb early march most likely.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on February 05, 2009, 20:50:12
do any of you guys know how many people approximately apply for RMC/ROTP and how many people get accepted?

Now I know that question has been asked before and answered.  I really am tired, so I am not going to be a nice guy and do a search to find it for you.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 05, 2009, 22:59:06
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79084.msg777058.html#msg777058

 According to this post, there were 5000 applicants for 500 ROTP positions. So probably 250 are for RMC and 250 for CiviU. Which means you have a 10% chance to be chosen for ROTP if you put RMC and two other CiviU choices on your application. Since I'm guessing 3 out of 4 people applying for ROTP are applying for CiviU, it's roughly a 20% chance of being accepted to RMC.

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79084.msg780455.html#msg780455

 According to this post, there were 750 ROTP positions. 70 to RMCSJ, 270 to RMCC, and 410 CiviU. So that means 340 positions for RMC and 410 for CiviU. So, using the assumptions used above, there is a 27.2% chance of being accepted to RMC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 05, 2009, 23:40:03
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79084.msg777058.html#msg777058

 According to this post, there were 5000 applicants for 500 ROTP positions. So probably 250 are for RMC and 250 for CiviU. Which means you have a 10% chance to be chosen for ROTP if you put RMC and two other CiviU choices on your application. Since I'm guessing 3 out of 4 people applying for ROTP are applying for CiviU, it's roughly a 20% chance of being accepted to RMC.

http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79084.msg780455.html#msg780455

 According to this post, there were 750 ROTP positions. 70 to RMCSJ, 270 to RMCC, and 410 CiviU. So that means 340 positions for RMC and 410 for CiviU. So, using the assumptions used above, there is a 27.2% chance of being accepted to RMC.

Those % would only work if it were a random draw, people are picked due to the application process and how they compare. A poor candidate's chance would be considerably less then an achieved candidate. There is really no way to tell your chances other then how many people you are up against  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on February 06, 2009, 00:25:05
A poor candidate's chance would be considerably less then an achieved candidate.

I would hope a poor candidate's chance would be nil compared to an achieved candidate, otherwise the selection board could consist of a monkey spinning a wheel.

The numbers are interesting, but Marshall is right...they're just numbers.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on February 06, 2009, 00:33:34
I'm pretty sure you can update your file, but that's a great question for the people at your recruiting centre.

Aircrew went really well, I passed for both Pilot and Air Nav. It was tough though, not many (maybe 10-20% from what they said) pass pilot without any previous flying experience. Doesn't count for much if I don't get accepted for ROTP though, so we'll see.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 06, 2009, 07:19:37
 I wouldn't dismiss the numbers so quickly. The selection board would be a subjective process, leaving some chance. I mean, outside of the numbers you provided to them(transcripts), there are probabilities involved. I mean, if 50 people have the same overall average, who gets ranked #1 and who gets ranked #50? It would be based on who they see has "better" extra cirriculars. And since there is no way to assume one persons life experience is better than another, they go by what they think. What they think is best understood by using probability since there is no way for us to know. However, the median overall average of those accepted to RMC is likely around 80%. The higher your average over 80%, the better your chances. Likewise, the more extracirriculars you were involved in, the higher your chances are, since it does make sense to assume someone who has 10 extra cirriculars has more "life experience" than someone with just 1. Infact, I'd be very interested to see the numbers for the selection. I'm guessing there is a direct correlation to having an average above the median acceptance average and being accepted to RMC. And, for equivalent averages, I'm guessing there is a direct correlation between accepted and well known extracirriculars and acceptance. Also, we'd be placed on kind of like a bellcurve type of deal, where the top judged 27.2% of candidates get the RMC positions and the other 72.8% don't. And since they are comparing everyone to everyone else, there is randomness involved in how we get placed outside of our overall averages because it is a subjective comparison. Then ofcourse there would be outliers that would either raise or diminish your chances for acceptance. The upper-percemtile outliers would be the first selected and at the top of the selection, thus the more of them there are, the lower your chances of acceptance. On the other side, the lower-percentile outliers wouldn't get accepted, and the more of them there are. there higher your chances are.

 But yeah... It's just something to think about. It makes some people feel better, and some people feel worse. Gives a little certainty to the uncertainty.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Red Hackle on February 06, 2009, 08:48:59
Don't forget out of that 5,000 applying a percentage are French applicants that are slated for CMR in St. Jean so your percentages are bumped up.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 06, 2009, 10:00:05
I am just going to sit it out and wait ha ha. No point in trying to get chances and stuff in my head  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on February 06, 2009, 13:14:13
I wouldn't dismiss the numbers so quickly. The selection board would be a subjective process, leaving some chance. I mean, outside of the numbers you provided to them(transcripts), there are probabilities involved. I mean, if 50 people have the same overall average, who gets ranked #1 and who gets ranked #50? It would be based on who they see has "better" extra cirriculars. And since there is no way to assume one persons life experience is better than another, they go by what they think. What they think is best understood by using probability since there is no way for us to know. However, the median overall average of those accepted to RMC is likely around 80%. The higher your average over 80%, the better your chances. Likewise, the more extracirriculars you were involved in, the higher your chances are, since it does make sense to assume someone who has 10 extra cirriculars has more "life experience" than someone with just 1. Infact, I'd be very interested to see the numbers for the selection. I'm guessing there is a direct correlation to having an average above the median acceptance average and being accepted to RMC. And, for equivalent averages, I'm guessing there is a direct correlation between accepted and well known extracirriculars and acceptance. Also, we'd be placed on kind of like a bellcurve type of deal, where the top judged 27.2% of candidates get the RMC positions and the other 72.8% don't. And since they are comparing everyone to everyone else, there is randomness involved in how we get placed outside of our overall averages because it is a subjective comparison. Then ofcourse there would be outliers that would either raise or diminish your chances for acceptance. The upper-percemtile outliers would be the first selected and at the top of the selection, thus the more of them there are, the lower your chances of acceptance. On the other side, the lower-percentile outliers wouldn't get accepted, and the more of them there are. there higher your chances are.


Did I just say numbers don't matter in front of a math/stats major? Hahaha.
You're right, the selection must be somewhat subjective when you move away from numbers. Even when you look at high school averages, can you say someone who has taken a bunch of bird elective classes with a 90% average is smarter than someone with an 89% average having taken calculus, etc.?

It's a tough call I'm sure and there's probably not much difference between the person who gets the last spot and the person after that.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 06, 2009, 14:30:36
CMR is now known as Royal Military College St. Jean(RMCSJ). There are 70 spots for that according to last year's numbers. Anyone can go there for prep. year or their first year. So, I just included it with the RMCC(Kingston) numbers.

 I just did it out because someone wanted to know what the numbers were. But I'm not a stat major or a math major. Infact, I don't plan on studying either... I'm more of a humanities/social sciences person to be honest. Just felt like pulling the out some stat so that when people search for it, they can find it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on February 06, 2009, 17:43:17
Thanks for the reply. I wasn't exactly looking for a sepecific chance of getting accepted, just wanted to know how many applied and how many got in in last couple years. Anyhow, it was very helpful thanks.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on February 07, 2009, 13:13:17
Wow that's a low percentage. I'm guessing you were pretty nervous for the tests. So what did you do to prepare for Aircrew Selection then? (I'm assuming you had no previous flying experience, like me). Because I want to pass for both pilot and air nav to keep my options open, and so I need to do well or else my ROTP application doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on February 07, 2009, 15:45:16
Search for Aircrew Selection, there's a ton of info on here.

And don't let the stats intimidate you. They aren't official, just what I heard.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on February 07, 2009, 16:58:33
I wouldn't dismiss the numbers so quickly. The selection board would be a subjective process, leaving some chance. I mean, outside of the numbers you provided to them(transcripts), there are probabilities involved. I mean, if 50 people have the same overall average, who gets ranked #1 and who gets ranked #50? It would be based on who they see has "better" extra cirriculars. And since there is no way to assume one persons life experience is better than another, they go by what they think. What they think is best understood by using probability since there is no way for us to know. However, the median overall average of those accepted to RMC is likely around 80%. The higher your average over 80%, the better your chances. Likewise, the more extracirriculars you were involved in, the higher your chances are, since it does make sense to assume someone who has 10 extra cirriculars has more "life experience" than someone with just 1. Infact, I'd be very interested to see the numbers for the selection. I'm guessing there is a direct correlation to having an average above the median acceptance average and being accepted to RMC. And, for equivalent averages, I'm guessing there is a direct correlation between accepted and well known extracirriculars and acceptance. Also, we'd be placed on kind of like a bellcurve type of deal, where the top judged 27.2% of candidates get the RMC positions and the other 72.8% don't. And since they are comparing everyone to everyone else, there is randomness involved in how we get placed outside of our overall averages because it is a subjective comparison. Then ofcourse there would be outliers that would either raise or diminish your chances for acceptance. The upper-percemtile outliers would be the first selected and at the top of the selection, thus the more of them there are, the lower your chances of acceptance. On the other side, the lower-percentile outliers wouldn't get accepted, and the more of them there are. there higher your chances are.

 But yeah... It's just something to think about. It makes some people feel better, and some people feel worse. Gives a little certainty to the uncertainty.

You are talking like the top people go to RMC and the rest goes to the other school but a lot of people applying for ROTP are choosing not to go to RMC. The applicants straight out of high school from Québec are going to CMRSJ. You simply can't calculate your chances of going to RMC since you don't know the number of applications of this year and what are the averages of those applications. Furthermore, you can't know the extra-curricular activities and how those applicants will perform at the interviews. There are too many factors you can't evaluate to have an accurate representation of what your chances are.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 07, 2009, 17:06:22
 Thats where the randomness comes in. It's just something to think about. If you actually think I believe or want other people to believe that the chances I posted are 100% real, then you really should give your head a shake. It's just something I did up in like 5 minutes incase someone wanted to know.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on February 07, 2009, 18:15:50
You are talking like the top people go to RMC and the rest goes to the other school but a lot of people applying for ROTP are choosing not to go to RMC. The applicants straight out of high school from Québec are going to CMRSJ.

Not only people from Quebec go to RMCSJ. A good portion of the first years here aren't from Quebec.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wookilar on February 11, 2009, 13:18:35
For higher level education, there are a number of possibilities to do it. You do not need to leave the Forces in order to go back to school, not at all.

You can if you want I suppose. I do know 1 person that took Leave Without Pay in order to finish their schooling, but that was because they could not get approval from their Chain to get what we call "subsidized" education (meaning you get paid while you go back to school).

Many do continue their studies part-time through RMC. Yes it takes longer to do it that way, but there's no gigantic student loan at the end of it either.

Wook
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on February 11, 2009, 13:25:55
Don't forget out of that 5,000 applying a percentage are French applicants that are slated for CMR in St. Jean so your percentages are bumped up.


I think the 5000 ROTP figure is the initial figure. Lets not forget most get weeded out during the process. For example, medicals, interviews, Air Crew Selection, voluntary withdraw etc.

I am sure the number is not quite as high as 5000.  Imagine picking 500 spots out of 5000 candidates that meet ALL of the CF standards.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 11, 2009, 15:03:34
 I have no idea which it is. It could be either way... ROTP is a sought-after program.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on February 11, 2009, 16:02:55

I think the 5000 ROTP figure is the initial figure. Lets not forget most get weeded out during the process. For example, medicals, interviews, Air Crew Selection, voluntary withdraw etc.

I am sure the number is not quite as high as 5000.  Imagine picking 500 spots out of 5000 candidates that meet ALL of the CF standards.

Don't worry it is very easily done.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on February 11, 2009, 16:16:51
Just wondering if anyone knew about the possibilities of getting into the ROTP program for the 2009/10 school year. I am currently a reservist, actually, I am a very new reservist (Jan 14th 2009). The thing is that the recruiting center was SUPPOSED to run a ROTP application and a reserve application at the same time so that in case i didn't get into ROTP, I would have the reserves as a back up. However, they only ran the reserve application so I never even applied. Now I am going through the process of applying again, except now that I am a member of the CF, I do it through the reserve unit. The only thing is that I have heard that the board meeting is on the 15th of Feb, so does that mean that I am out of luck for them to subsidize my education for the 2009/10 school year, or was this board meeting to get in and subsidize for the 2008/09 year?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 11, 2009, 18:51:40
Just wondering if anyone knew about the possibilities of getting into the ROTP program for the 2009/10 school year. I am currently a reservist, actually, I am a very new reservist (Jan 14th 2009). The thing is that the recruiting center was SUPPOSED to run a ROTP application and a reserve application at the same time so that in case i didn't get into ROTP, I would have the reserves as a back up. However, they only ran the reserve application so I never even applied. Now I am going through the process of applying again, except now that I am a member of the CF, I do it through the reserve unit. The only thing is that I have heard that the board meeting is on the 15th of Feb, so does that mean that I am out of luck for them to subsidize my education for the 2009/10 school year, or was this board meeting to get in and subsidize for the 2008/09 year?

The doors for applications have been closed from all I can tell. The latest word was that they sat on the 5th of February, but they stopped taking applications for ROTP 09-10 on January 15th If I remember. (But do not quote me).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 11, 2009, 21:07:22
 Yeah, deadline was Janurary 15th and the selection board sat on February 5th. So, ROTP 2009-10 is out the window. However, you can always apply for next year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MKO on February 11, 2009, 22:31:38
A couple of misconceptions here

15 Jan was the deadline to be considered in the first board.  Applications for ROTP can still be made however you have a reduced chance of being accepted for the 09/10 academic year as the majority of selections will be made at the first board.  This doesn't mean you have no chance at all, just that you have reduced chances.  As with the first board, your chances are wholly dependent on your competitiveness.

The first Board has not been held yet - in fact, it is tomorrow.  I expect that the earliest we will be advising candidates will be late next week as we need to distribute the results to the Centres.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on February 12, 2009, 00:44:53
It sounds as if you are on the board...are you? Because the recruiter at my reserve unit said that this was the last 2nd of 2 board meetings for ROTP. Are you positive this is only the first? You really put I mind at ease if got right

A couple of misconceptions here

15 Jan was the deadline to be considered in the first board.  Applications for ROTP can still be made however you have a reduced chance of being accepted for the 09/10 academic year as the majority of selections will be made at the first board.  This doesn't mean you have no chance at all, just that you have reduced chances.  As with the first board, your chances are wholly dependent on your competitiveness.

The first Board has not been held yet - in fact, it is tomorrow.  I expect that the earliest we will be advising candidates will be late next week as we need to distribute the results to the Centres.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on February 12, 2009, 01:08:01
Seeing he is the Commander of the Canadian Forces Recruiting Group, I would think he is pretty accurate in his statements...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 12, 2009, 07:32:57
 Ah, okay. Something must have got lost in translation when we got February 5th as the selection board as well as the whole ROTP application process(I was basically told the deadline is Jan. 15th. If you won't make the deadline, don't bother). Good to know what's going on with the process. Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on February 12, 2009, 23:41:54
I was just wondering if anyone knew if being a reservist makes you more competitive in the ROTP selection process. I have heard rumors that if you are already in the military, your almost guaranteed a spot in the ROTP program. Like any military rumors, I am weary of believing it, thats why I am asking it here, hopefully someone who knows what they are talking about can answer my question.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 13, 2009, 00:09:04
 Contact a CFRC or talk with a recruiter online. They know the answers.

 However, I will say that being in the PRes adds to your resume and therefore makes you more competitive. But it doesn't guarantee you a spot in ROTP nor does it give you any preference over other candidates. You get assessed based on your merits just like everyone else. If you don't stack up, you don't make it into ROTP. I asked the PRes question before to the online recruiter.

 There are topics related to your question around this website. Just use the search function.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Cubby on February 13, 2009, 19:08:25
i know that when i applied to PRes they asked im my interview if i was planing on going to RMC later on and he said that it would help out there he dident really go into specifics but this might help.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 13, 2009, 19:12:09
 Most positive things will help you get into RMC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yuna on February 15, 2009, 02:19:56
hello everyone :)
I am a female from BC Vancouver praying that I will
get accepted to RMC this year :)
(by the way is there anyone from Vancouver here?? or BC? )

I was reading the content of the forum and I have noticed that
there are a lot of people apply for infrantry, pilot ect..
I was wondering did anyone here apply for Logisitics?
Becuase thats what I hope to do due to the fact that
I signed up for Business Administration in RMC.

Anyways I am writing this post becuase I wanted to ask when did the
selection board sit.. becuase in the earlier posts it said Feb 05 but now its Feb 12..
I am confused.....?? which one is right??

Hoping to meet you all in the future. and also happy valentines day! :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 15, 2009, 10:07:33
hello everyone :)
I am a female from BC Vancouver praying that I will
get accepted to RMC this year :)
(by the way is there anyone from Vancouver here?? or BC? )

I was reading the content of the forum and I have noticed that
there are a lot of people apply for infrantry, pilot ect..
I was wondering did anyone here apply for Logisitics?
Becuase thats what I hope to do due to the fact that
I signed up for Business Administration in RMC.

Anyways I am writing this post becuase I wanted to ask when did the
selection board sit.. becuase in the earlier posts it said Feb 05 but now its Feb 12..
I am confused.....?? which one is right??

Hoping to meet you all in the future. and also happy valentines day! :)

It was the 12th. But I believe the earliest anyone will get called is sometime in the last week on February.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 15, 2009, 13:30:18
 According to CFRG Comd(in an earlier post), the earliest would be late this week.

 I was actually thinking of doing Logistics when I first started looking into ROTP and officer MOCs. But time passed and my mind changed from 1)Logistics 2)Military Police Officer 3)Signals Officer to 1)Artillery 2)Armour 3)Infantry. This mainly happened when I started reading into the histories of the various regiments and at the career timelines of being a Combat Arms officers. I was intrigued with what I read and I decided to switch.

 Hopefully by mid-March we'll know who's going  ;D.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on February 18, 2009, 21:38:30
I've heard that you can ever get subsidized for full time graduate studies as long as it's in a field that the military deeps "useful". I guess that rules out me getting my MA in anthropology later on. ;) But for anyone getting a degree in things like engineering I think they do full time subsidization. Just ask your chain of command about it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on February 21, 2009, 00:20:26
Hello everyone,

This is my first post here on milnet, I've been searching the threads for a while and finally found this one on the current group of RMC candidates.  I'm from Halifax, Nova Scotia and am also waiting for the notification of the CFRC with regards to my application to RMC.  I'm a prospective arts student, and am also applying for MOCs; 1-Infantry, 2-Armoured, (even though I'm from an Air Force family ;D).  It's great to see a forum of other RMC hopefuls and I hope we all see each other next year at RMC.

P.S: Has anyone heard anything yet? (other than the 7-9 super-candidates)

Cheers,
ACEC
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on February 21, 2009, 00:28:08
I don't believe so. The recruiting centers are probably just received the info from the selection board this last week. I would guess most will get their phone calls in the next couple of weeks?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on February 21, 2009, 00:36:55
I sure hope so, I've been done the process since November, and so far no word yet on my application, just some of my references letting me know they were called.  I've already been accepted (conditionally) to Dalhousie University, however RMC would definitely be my first choice.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 21, 2009, 01:01:21
Hello everyone,

This is my first post here on milnet, I've been searching the threads for a while and finally found this one on the current group of RMC candidates.  I'm from Halifax, Nova Scotia and am also waiting for the notification of the CFRC with regards to my application to RMC.  I'm a prospective arts student, and am also applying for MOCs; 1-Infantry, 2-Armoured, (even though I'm from an Air Force family ;D).  It's great to see a forum of other RMC hopefuls and I hope we all see each other next year at RMC.

P.S: Has anyone heard anything yet? (other than the 7-9 super-candidates)

Cheers,
ACEC

I went to the same CFRC :)

I believe the CFRC's get the calls early next week and start calling the applicants. Not 100% tho.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on February 21, 2009, 10:02:53
Does anyone know when the next board will be held? I missed the one this month, but in a previous post the commander of the CFRC said it was not the last for the 2009/2010 year, even though some recruiters say otherwise. Just wondering if someone had a date.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 21, 2009, 10:04:51
Does anyone know when the next board will be held? I missed the one this month, but in a previous post the commander of the CFRC said it was not the last for the 2009/2010 year, even though some recruiters say otherwise. Just wondering if someone had a date.

As far as I've ever heard there is one main board a year. But I am sure he/she will explain if they see your post.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 21, 2009, 11:51:47
 I don't know the dates, but when I was getting the ROTP selection process explained to me, I believe I saw 3, possibly 4, dates for the selection boards for the previous year. But the way it was explained to me was that if you don't make the first selection, you get put in the next and so on. Of course open spots depend on how many declined the offer given to them for ROTP or whatever else.

 I guess the next two weeks will be the most important weeks so far for most of us. It's pretty exciting.

 

 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on February 21, 2009, 11:57:38
I guess the next two weeks will be the most important weeks so far for most of us. It's pretty exciting.

I'd say :nod:.  I also thought I saw a couple of selection dates, but I suppose we just have to play the waiting game.  Hopefully we get a call soon though.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on February 21, 2009, 12:13:38
I don't know the dates, but when I was getting the ROTP selection process explained to me, I believe I saw 3, possibly 4, dates for the selection boards for the previous year. But the way it was explained to me was that if you don't make the first selection, you get put in the next and so on. Of course open spots depend on how many declined the offer given to them for ROTP or whatever else.

 I guess the next two weeks will be the most important weeks so far for most of us. It's pretty exciting.

 

 

I remember seeing several selection times, But I just can not remember if they accept any more applications for the following selections after this one.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on February 21, 2009, 12:27:52
I'm no expert, but I imagine their selection process is probably similar to civilian universities.  I think it was BMS who said that they have to take into account those who turn down the offers.  I imagine that those individuals play a large role in who (and how many) are offered ROTP the second round.

(if someone knows for sure please feel free to correct me)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on February 21, 2009, 17:08:55
I remember seeing several selection times, But I just can not remember if they accept any more applications for the following selections after this one.

This is EXACTLY what I'm wondering...I just submitted the online application right now with my service number (i am a reservist right now). No one at my unit or the CFRC really knew where and how i apply since i was a reservist but i was finally told that i had to apply like everyone else, except when i include my SN, they will know that i am military. But yeah, if anyone knows if they accept applications past the 15 of Jan, thats what i need to know. I mean, I would hope they would be able to make an exception, because in the end, I am already coursed for BOTC this summer with the reserves, so if I didnt hear my acceptance till July, I would have still completed my BASIC by the end of the summer...


If anyone can help me, that would be great
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: trentonmilwife on February 23, 2009, 09:46:13
All members of the forces are eligible for $25,000 for continuing education. Now this does need to approved by your chain of command, but generally as long as you are taking courses with aim of completing a program that has relevances to your trade or future within the CF (bachelors, or post grad level) it is approved. Note though that this for many trades is on your own time. Some trades have post-grads as a posting option but not all, also relevance is important. Ie a Log O - HR wants to do an MBA, not a problem, vs a Log -O -HR wanting to do a second bachelors in basket weaving...not so relevant.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Corps of Guides on February 23, 2009, 10:06:46
Does this mean $25,000 without owing the CF more time?  I'm interested in applying for a part-time MA at RMC next year (to start 2011), but was trying to budget this at my own expense so as not to incur more service (not that I don't plan on serving for some time, I just don't want my hands tied for too long).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on February 23, 2009, 12:33:23
All members of the forces are eligible for $25,000 for continuing education. Now this does need to approved by your chain of command, but generally as long as you are taking courses with aim of completing a program that has relevances to your trade or future within the CF (bachelors, or post grad level) it is approved. Note though that this for many trades is on your own time. Some trades have post-grads as a posting option but not all, also relevance is important. Ie a Log O - HR wants to do an MBA, not a problem, vs a Log -O -HR wanting to do a second bachelors in basket weaving...not so relevant.

25 grand? You're sure it's not $2500? Wow.

Would you happen to have the ref for that? Not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to have that on hand as I've been pondering some post-grad studies (shudder).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Blackadder1916 on February 23, 2009, 13:39:31
Does this mean $25,000 without owing the CF more time?  I'm interested in applying for a part-time MA at RMC next year (to start 2011), but was trying to budget this at my own expense so as not to incur more service (not that I don't plan on serving for some time, I just don't want my hands tied for too long).

Perhaps you should read some of the instructions that apply, such as this:
CF Military Personnel Instructions 18/04   Advanced Degree - Part-Time Programme for Regular force Officers (http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/18-04-eng.asp)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Logan Daly D on February 24, 2009, 21:21:30
Hey, I'm so glad I found this thread. I applied for ROTP Pilot and Logistics in december.  I was told by the recruiting officer if I didnt hear from the military by the third or fouth week of feb. then I probably was not accepted!  It is now Feb. 24th and I havent heard anything.  A few of my references said they had got calls from the military earlier this week.

Atleast I know there looking into it.  Has anyone else been accepted for ROTP this year?????There is only a few more days in febuary.

Thanks, tell me whats going on with you guys and ladies.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on February 24, 2009, 21:36:12
Hi Logan,

I'm also applying for ROTP and additionally acceptance at RMC.  I haven't received word of my...predicament ;D yet either.  I think that someone would have announced it on this thread if they heard it, but so far I'm waiting on the phone call too.

ACEC
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on February 24, 2009, 21:44:16
I spoke to CFRC Edmonton today. According to them they have not received anything from the last selection board as of yet.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on February 24, 2009, 21:48:22
It was recently though right? I believe the user CmdrCFRG (and if anyone they would know) said the boards were on the 12th of this month, and we would hear back at the earliest last week.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on February 24, 2009, 21:50:06
Yes.

Should be any day now.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on February 24, 2009, 21:52:13
Fingers crossed...I'm just glad that I'm not the only one awaiting the call.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Logan Daly D on February 24, 2009, 22:09:39
I feel the same way, atleast I'm not the only one!

 Good luck to you all, hope to hear the second anyone finds out! 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on February 24, 2009, 22:27:20
As soon as someone gets a call I'm sure they'll post here.

I would hope you get a call even if you don't get selected, but I'm not sure if that happens or not.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: annieV on February 25, 2009, 07:08:56
Hi,
 
Haven't heard anything from the Halifax CFRC yet either.  I spoke with someone this past Monday.  I really hope we hear soon as well.  I appied for ROTP nursing.  Good luck and I really hope we all get good news!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MKO on February 25, 2009, 13:41:53
Just a short update to my post of a couple of weeks ago.

The selection board was held and I have just been briefed on the staffing that was required post board.  This is being completed today/tomorrow and sent to the Centres so that they can call the successful candidates and mail letters to everyone, selected or not, on their status.  This should be done for them to start making calls Monday.

Yes, you can continue to apply - time is of the essence in order to be considered for the next selection board towards the end of March.  From there, it will be any selections required due to individuals not accepting offers, so onsies and twosies at best.

MKO
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on February 25, 2009, 14:07:25
Just a short update to my post of a couple of weeks ago.

The selection board was held and I have just been briefed on the staffing that was required post board.  This is being completed today/tomorrow and sent to the Centres so that they can call the successful candidates and mail letters to everyone, selected or not, on their status.  This should be done for them to start making calls Monday.

Yes, you can continue to apply - time is of the essence in order to be considered for the next selection board towards the end of March.  From there, it will be any selections required due to individuals not accepting offers, so onsies and twosies at best.

MKO

Thank you very much !!

I am very excited for next week. I am merit listed for Pilot with ANav and AEC as my other choices.

Good luck to all, hope to hear word next week !
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on February 25, 2009, 15:56:55
ya good luck everyone!!!!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 25, 2009, 16:38:25
  :camo:

 We are so close. Good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SpyGuy101 on February 25, 2009, 17:52:04
My first one is that last year I have never needed to see a doctor while I was in university so that is why I do not know the answer to this.  My question is if I wanted to go see a doctor regarding some health issues how do I go abouts doing this?  Since there are no CFBs around here, I do not believe that there are any MIRs around here either.  Would I just go to a civilian doctor and give them my blue cross card?

Why would you need a blue cross card? You should be able to walk in with your provincial health care card and ask for service. You will need to notify the closest MIR after you have recieved health care on the economy though.

My second question is I was wondering if it is possible or if other ROTP students have done an international exchange before while going through the program?  Because if it is not possible then I would like to know then I wont even bother asking my ULO or SEM how to go abouts doing it.  I know I am an officer and that is my job but I would like to do an exchange to another country for a semester for spring or fall and if it was not going to affect finishing my degree in four years and if I paid for it myself, would I be able to do an exchange?


The bottom line on this has already been stated, but if you can make the case that this is somehow in the CF's benifit and your sponsor will pay for it, you can make it happen.

Rules change all the time...exceptions often become the rule.  Ask and you should be rewarded.

My two cents...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PMedMoe on February 25, 2009, 18:06:29
If this person is a member of the military, they should have a Blue Cross card and not a provincial health card.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on February 25, 2009, 18:30:21
My first one is that last year I have never needed to see a doctor while I was in university so that is why I do not know the answer to this.  My question is if I wanted to go see a doctor regarding some health issues how do I go abouts doing this?  Since there are no CFBs around here, I do not believe that there are any MIRs around here either.  Would I just go to a civilian doctor and give them my blue cross card?

Why would you need a blue cross card? You should be able to walk in with your provincial health care card and ask for service. You will need to notify the closest MIR after you have recieved health care on the economy though.


As per the order I was given I cut up and disposed of my provincial health care card, as did most of the other people when we got our Blue Cross Cards.

I know lots of guys keep their provincial cards so they can go to walk-ins and such without a hassle when the MIR is closed, but I believe you're not supposed to.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PMedMoe on February 25, 2009, 21:48:46
ENTITLEMENT TO MEDICAL CARE AND USE OF HEALTH INSURANCE CARD FOR THE REGULAR FORCE OR RESERVE MEMBER (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:BP_3xhuQoBoJ:www.cflc.forces.gc.ca/ees-pae/rr/doc/cfmcr-smfcr-eng.doc+military+provincial+health+cards&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ca)

I'm not shouting, I used cut and paste.  :nod:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on February 26, 2009, 17:14:19
ENTITLEMENT TO MEDICAL CARE AND USE OF HEALTH INSURANCE CARD FOR THE REGULAR FORCE OR RESERVE MEMBER (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:BP_3xhuQoBoJ:www.cflc.forces.gc.ca/ees-pae/rr/doc/cfmcr-smfcr-eng.doc+military+provincial+health+cards&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ca)

I'm not shouting, I used cut and paste.  :nod:

As I suspected. So I guess this would be the key line here;

Under no circumstances you should use your provincial medical insurance card.

SpyGuy101;

Your profile says you hold the rank of Major, so you really should know better then to tell someone to act contrary to the regulations. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ncs_eng 081 on February 26, 2009, 17:35:03
Quote
Under no circumstances you should use your provincial medical insurance card.

This is definitely the bottom line.  When I was enrolled about 2 years ago, I had broken my wrist prior to receiving my bluecross card.  Not really knowing how the military process worked at the time being I went to me nearest base hospital.  My ULO (I'm in the ROTP civi U program) at the time was surprised that I did that as I was never 'officially' told that that was the proper thing to do in the case.  After this happened I was told how the military medical system worked and was informed that if I was to use my provincial health care card it would have been committing insurance fraud because CF members are not covered under provincial health insurance.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ncs_eng 081 on February 26, 2009, 17:39:30
Sorry for the double post, but I noticed that the poster of the oringinal question has stated that they do have their bluecross card.

My fiancee works at a civilian medical clinic (in Halifax) and I know their clinic sees many CF members.  They just have different paperwork to do on "us", all you need is your bluecross card.  I sespect the same goes for clinics in your area.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mikew101 on February 27, 2009, 00:05:05
Wow, Im a late joiner to this thread! Glad i found it, Im an ROTP applicant for next year as well, im in the reserves right now as a Com Researcher, and my trades i chose for ROTP are Pilot, Aero Eng.  and AirNav.  Im thinking of going Carleton for Aerospace engineering if i get in Air Force, very exciting! Hope you guys start hearing soon, Good luck to you all!

Oh, btw, someone from the base phoned my house today, but i wasn't home. This makes me wonder, it may be a stupid question, but does anyone know what happens if you're simply not home when they call? Will they just call back at a different time the next day?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on February 27, 2009, 01:38:44
The smart thing to do is usually to try calling them back; if they left their contact information that is.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on February 27, 2009, 01:46:53
That's right; with the bluecross card the civilian clinic will get you to fill out a CF claim form for medical services rendered. That is then sent to the nearest medical unit for processing after your treatment. I have run into problems though, not all clinics carry the forms or know what to do with them where I live. Being in BC there aren't a lot of clinics that see military members with the blue cross cards. They would generally see reservists who still have their provincial health cards.

I have had to pay for a clinic visit before because the staff couldn't be bothered to put the effort into figuring out the military paperwork, so they just went "Here's a bill!"  :-\
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on February 27, 2009, 02:17:01
That's right; with the bluecross card the civilian clinic will get you to fill out a CF claim form for medical services rendered. That is then sent to the nearest medical unit for processing after your treatment. I have run into problems though, not all clinics carry the forms or know what to do with them where I live. Being in BC there aren't a lot of clinics that see military members with the blue cross cards. They would generally see reservists who still have their provincial health cards.

I have had to pay for a clinic visit before because the staff couldn't be bothered to put the effort into figuring out the military paperwork, so they just went "Here's a bill!"  :-\

If you have to pay out of pocket, call your MIR and they'll tell you to bring in the bill and you'll get re-imbursed. I do it all the time (it's not worth my while to drive 1.5 hours at oh-dark-crappy to make it for sick parade).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on February 27, 2009, 06:55:45
 Yeah, just call them back during buisness hours. They don't usually call for no reason.

 And welcome to the group.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Intelligent Design on February 28, 2009, 18:19:23
Yeah I know I can do it, but it was 20$ so I wasn't really inclined to make the effort in mailing the receipt in and all. See that's an issue, they pay me anyways, and I don't have any real expenses, so each time I have to spend the effort to get a reimbursement (Unless it's for tuition) I just shrug and go "It's only 20$".
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on March 01, 2009, 00:14:59
Yeah I know I can do it, but it was 20$ so I wasn't really inclined to make the effort in mailing the receipt in and all. See that's an issue, they pay me anyways, and I don't have any real expenses, so each time I have to spend the effort to get a reimbursement (Unless it's for tuition) I just shrug and go "It's only 20$".

All you've got to do is mail them the receipt you get from the civvie doc and they'll do the paperwork up, send it back to sign if need be and then you'll get reimbursed.

It's your money, so claim it. I claim mileage for every trip down to my ASU and anything else I spend that's CF related and  you can claim for. All those little expenses add up over time.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on March 01, 2009, 01:52:25
Piper, you need to relax.  Talking down someone is not going to do any good, to you or to the other person.  Treat people like you want to be treated.

On the "exchange" topic, yes, RMC does offer some exchanges. USAFA and Westpoint come to mind.  Australia used to be one as well, back in the 90s.  It's very competitive and only a few get to go.  But it is possible.

Piper, you don't go to RMC, therefore you cannot comment on what's happenning there, right?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on March 01, 2009, 02:06:25
Piper, you need to relax.  Talking down someone is not going to do any good, to you or to the other person.  Treat people like you want to be treated.

On the "exchange" topic, yes, RMC does offer some exchanges. USAFA and Westpoint come to mind.  Australia used to be one as well, back in the 90s.  It's very competitive and only a few get to go.  But it is possible.

Piper, you don't go to RMC, therefore you cannot comment on what's happenning there, right?

 ::)

I was merely advising him to claim what he is entitled to claim. If you think that was 'talking down' then you must have a rough time come PER season eh?

As for the exchanges thing, holy necro batman. That was a while ago, and I WAS right as the question was about academic exchanges like you would find at a civvy-u. I had also clarified that RMC types DO have access to military exchange-like activities such as the Sandhurst competitions at el. I don't go there, and I don't need to to know about ROTP policies on exchanges and such.

But good job on keeping me honest and all that jazz.  ::)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on March 01, 2009, 02:13:40
Your screen name is rather appropriate at this moment. Back to your corner.

I was referring to that comment...  Nobody ever told me to go back to my corner, or made fun of my name on my PER. 

As far as exchanges go, the exanges I'm talking about are semester-long exchanges where we send 2 guys to USAFA, 2 Guys to Westpoint, they send guys as well and they study for 1 whole semester.  Not the Sandhurst competition or week end at westpoint....

You really need to work on your social skills dude
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on March 01, 2009, 02:21:41
I was referring to that comment...  Nobody ever told me to go back to my corner, or made fun of my name on my PER. 

As far as exchanges go, the exanges I'm talking about are semester-long exchanges where we send 2 guys to USAFA, 2 Guys to Westpoint, they send guys as well and they study for 1 whole semester.  Not the Sandhurst competition or week end at westpoint....

You really need to work on your social skills dude

Like I said, holy necro batman. But I'm glad you got your two cents in. Feel better now?

As per your exchanges comment, I said that RMC does indeed send folks down to USMA for longer periods of time and they are treated like your traditional military exchange. I was referring to the original question (did you read that far) that asked if civvy-u students could go on ACADEMIC exchanges of the type that you see advertised on campus.

Yes, RMC sends people on exchanges for 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months, whatever. These exchanges, from a CF unit to a US unit are like a military exchange and are not like an academic exchange that a civvy-u student would see advertised (again, just for you, the subject of the OP's question). I'm sorry I didn't address the unwashed masses at RMC when I answered the OP's original question that applied to civvy-u students.

Get a life. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: muskrat89 on March 01, 2009, 02:39:30
If you two have some kind of issue, take it to PMs.

EVERYONE - Keep the digs, jabs and other snide comments to yourselves. Remember your Mom's advice: "If you don't have something good to say, don't say anything"

Back on track, please.

Army.ca Staff
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 02, 2009, 23:21:32
anyone receive anything today? I am dieing over here waiting.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 02, 2009, 23:29:59
 Nope.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PuffinFresh on March 02, 2009, 23:33:58
Nothing over here as well.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 02, 2009, 23:36:03
I'm sure once someone receives an offer, they will post that info...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 03, 2009, 00:03:23
 Probably. We've posted everything else.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yuna on March 03, 2009, 01:31:18
I am glad I am not the only one waiting..
still nothing out here in vancouver..
ACK.. this is drying my blood... i want to know :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on March 03, 2009, 03:07:03
I can here the Final Jeopardy theme playing in the background....
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on March 03, 2009, 03:13:47
haha ya i'm chillin in victoria pulling my hair out waitin.........
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 03, 2009, 10:15:23
I GOT CALLED!

..false alarm. :) No nothing here yet.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on March 03, 2009, 10:30:10
You have heard the Fable of Peter and the Wolf?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 03, 2009, 10:43:06
You have heard the Fable of Peter and the Wolf?

Ouch Wallace don't do that to me.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 03, 2009, 11:36:50
You have heard the Fable of Peter and the Wolf?

Ha ha, good call Mr. Wallace  ;D.  I'm still waiting here in Halifax with you Marshall. :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 03, 2009, 11:53:29
Marshal has lost all his credibility now !! I am kidding,  but still nothing out of the steel city (Hamilton).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 03, 2009, 12:01:52
Marshal has lost all his credibility now !! I am kidding,  but still nothing out of the steel city (Hamilton).

and the paranoia kicks in.... now.  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 03, 2009, 12:10:59
and the paranoia kicks in.... now.  ;D

I just received the call just a second ago. Apparently only I got the call and no one else will !! They let me choose any MOC I want.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 03, 2009, 13:08:50
Hey me too!  ;D. 

Marshall....you didn't get a call yet? :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: halfro on March 03, 2009, 18:21:42
Hey everybody, I've been watching this thread for the past week to see if any results have came out yet.  I have finally decided to join to post how hard the wait is, good luck to everybody.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 03, 2009, 19:49:59
Hey everybody, I've been watching this thread for the past week to see if any results have came out yet.  I have finally decided to join to post how hard the wait is, good luck to everybody.

I'm with you halfro ;D...I just signed onto this site to keep on track with other RMC applicants,  I only found it a few months ago.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on March 03, 2009, 19:56:37
My phone started vibrating during PE today (we have dance  :threat:) turned out to be a stupid text message.  :(
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Logan Daly D on March 03, 2009, 20:15:23
Yeah, my phone keeps going off in class and I run out side to answer it hopeing it is them.  The stupid telemarketers got my number some how, but I continue to answer the phone just incase!!  I really don't want to wait any longer!!!! 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 03, 2009, 20:40:22
   I can't describe how anxious I am, but all here probably know exactly what I mean. Best we can do is keep our cool, and Good Luck to you all!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Journeyman on March 03, 2009, 20:51:01
The people who send out the acceptances are also members here.....and they're just dragging this out for the entertainment of watching you folks squirm every day.

 >:D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 04, 2009, 10:34:27
I just got my call. Seriously.

Conditional Offer for ROTP - still need to bring my medical papers for eye surgery and breaking my neck several years ago.


I'm extremely happy about this!!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PuffinFresh on March 04, 2009, 10:43:11
Nice congrats! Its only 7:42am right now  :P can't wait till they open.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 04, 2009, 11:38:30
The people who send out the acceptances are also members here.....and they're just dragging this out for the entertainment of watching you folks squirm every day.

 >:D

i wouldn't doubt it ..... we will just be pests and call in response !
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 04, 2009, 11:44:51
I just got my call. Seriously.

Conditional Offer for ROTP - still need to bring my medical papers for eye surgery and breaking my neck several years ago.


I'm extremely happy about this!!!

Congratulations !! May I ask for what MOC ?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 04, 2009, 12:44:48
I just got my call. Seriously.

Conditional Offer for ROTP - still need to bring my medical papers for eye surgery and breaking my neck several years ago.


I'm extremely happy about this!!!

Ah, so it begins. good.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 04, 2009, 13:05:07
Ah, so it begins. good.

For most of us... hopefully :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 04, 2009, 13:06:04
For most of us... hopefully :P

Quiet you. I hope they call me before you now. My luck I will not be home haha. Oh well.

To the person who was called already, how did the call go? What do they talk about?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on March 04, 2009, 13:12:33
From reading a few of these posts: For this year, are you guys learning of your final MOC before you start school?

Or are you still just slotted into "Air operations" etc until end of 1st year?

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 04, 2009, 13:19:16
if you are going to the RMC ...i believe you are slotted as air op. I am not sure as for civy-u
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 04, 2009, 13:20:47
From reading a few of these posts: For this year, are you guys learning of your final MOC before you start school?

Or are you still just slotted into "Air operations" etc until end of 1st year?



From what the recruiter told me at the Halifax CFRC, we have assigned groups, like air ops, land ops, etc....and that we would be given an offer following the first year of university.  I think it's similar to last year's serial, from what I hear.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 04, 2009, 13:23:38
Apparently there are to many transfers amongst cadets in the first year(s). After a year, I believe you get selected into your final MOC within your occupational group.

Not quite clear on this process.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on March 04, 2009, 13:24:47
Gotcha, so its still the same. I'm hoping to learn my MOC within the month
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 04, 2009, 13:30:24
Apparently there are to many transfers amongst cadets in the first year(s). After a year, I believe you get selected into your final MOC within your occupational group.

Not quite clear on this process.

This is what I was told too, it seems as though you can switch everything after first year, as long as the military has openings and the first year of university goes well.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 04, 2009, 14:07:55
The call went well and it was to the point:

"I have good news for you, we have a conditional offer for you for Land Operations. We have approved you for ROTP at a civilian University. After you complete your first year, then we'll tell you exactly what you'll end up doing, but I see here you wanted Infantry. You'll know around April/May after your first year."

Something similar to this since I don't recall the exact words, adrenaline/excitement and all.

I have until mid march to say if I accept the offer or not and I figure when I say yes, I'll get further instructions. I'm just being a good boy and talking to my wife before I give the definite "yes".

I asked a question and was told my Military Career Counsellor would be in a better position to answer and to call him instead and that was it.

The caller sounded in a bit of a hurry. He probably kept it short and to the point since they have many calls to do today.


Thanks for the congrats!


edit:  The caller also indicated that after your first year, when they tell you what they want your MOC to be, you have the option of saying "no" and dropping out of the program with no negative consequences (financially). He indicated that if you drop out after that grace period, then you have obligations towards the CF.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 04, 2009, 14:30:16
That rocks martr ;D, I hope we are all as fortunate.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on March 04, 2009, 14:44:39
thats awesome congrats!!!!!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 04, 2009, 14:58:36
 We can't all be as fortunate. That would destroy the purpose of the selections ;D.

 Congratulations martr.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 04, 2009, 15:02:23
Good point BMS. :nod:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 04, 2009, 16:58:12
I just received my offer a few hours ago. I was offered ROTP for civilian university and MARS(Sea Operations) however that was my third choice...I will probably take the offer but I'm not certain as I would have rather received an offer for Infantry or Armour. Not sure whether chancing it for the second round of selections is a good idea.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RecceO on March 04, 2009, 17:08:57
The point of this new system is to wait a little while before choosing occupations so that you can see what else there is in the CF, thus it should be relatively easy to ask for Infantry or Armour when you selected your trade next year. I suggest taking it, instead of chancing second round.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 04, 2009, 17:24:03
Good to know. As I said I'm probably going to take the offer. I just want to sleep on it and make sure I'm making the right decision.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 04, 2009, 17:50:56
Good to know. As I said I'm probably going to take the offer. I just want to sleep on it and make sure I'm making the right decision.

Where are you located?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 04, 2009, 17:58:31
Just east of Edmonton Alberta. In a town called Sherwood Park.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: halfro on March 04, 2009, 18:48:26
Thats awesome to those of you who have got the call, I wonder how long it will take them to get through the first round of calls.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PuffinFresh on March 04, 2009, 19:18:18
Unfortunately I was not selected  :-\ oh well I'll just join the reserves. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on March 04, 2009, 19:55:32
Unfortunately I was not selected  :-\ oh well I'll just join the reserves.

Didnt they offer you NCM?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 04, 2009, 19:56:50
Unfortunately I was not selected  :-\ oh well I'll just join the reserves.

How do you know you were not selected? Did they call you and let you know?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on March 04, 2009, 20:02:56
Unfortunately I was not selected  :-\ oh well I'll just join the reserves. 

Nothing wrong with that.  Many of us have paid our own way through Universities to get Degrees while holding positions in the Reserves.  You would have an advantage that many of us did not have, in that the Reserves now offer Education Reimbursement of up to $2000 per year for successful completion of Crses, to a maximum total of $8000.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 04, 2009, 20:22:40
Nothing wrong with that.  Many of us have paid our own way through Universities to get Degrees while holding positions in the Reserves.  You would have an advantage that many of us did not have, in that the Reserves now offer Education Reimbursement of up to $2000 per year for successful completion of Crses, to a maximum total of $8000.

Yea, I have been looking into some of these things since I am not sure if my whole RMC to CivvieU switcheroo will work when I am called (IF I am even offered in the first place). So I may look into this.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on March 04, 2009, 20:33:01
So I take it that most of you will not accept the NCM position if you dont get in to ROTP?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PuffinFresh on March 04, 2009, 20:39:28
So I take it that most of you will not accept the NCM position if you dont get in to ROTP?

Not right now, I want to give university a try.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 04, 2009, 21:01:59
 I would like to be a Reg Force NCM if I don't get selected to be an officer.

 I'm hoping I atleast get called tomorrow  ;D.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on March 04, 2009, 21:40:14
So what MOC did you choose?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 04, 2009, 23:43:47
So I take it that most of you will not accept the NCM position if you dont get in to ROTP?

If I get completely refused I may take my first year of Uni then apply again next year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on March 05, 2009, 13:46:53
I just received my offer: ROTP Pilot, attending RMC, pending succesful completion of ASC (Mar 23).

The big gotcha for me is I didn't apply to RMC, so there's no program assigned. Tonight and tomorrow is going to be spent looking for something to major in. (The programs I initially applied for aren't offered at RMC)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 05, 2009, 13:52:17
I just received my offer: ROTP Pilot, attending RMC, pending succesful completion of ASC (Mar 23).

The big gotcha for me is I didn't apply to RMC, so there's no program assigned. Tonight and tomorrow is going to be spent looking for something to major in. (The programs I initially applied for aren't offered at RMC)

Congratulations on your offer ! That is exactly what I am waiting for ! Maybe there was a mix up !  :salute:

Hopefully see you in August
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 05, 2009, 13:53:18
Where are you from by the way ?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on March 05, 2009, 14:58:26
thats rlly awesome man!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 05, 2009, 16:56:48
I talked to my File Manager today, saying I accept their offer. He said ok, we'll be in touch with you again around June/July, just keep doing what you were doing.

He was about to hang up, so I said "that's it? I thought I'd have something to sign or papers to fill out at this point".

He said no. They just want an idea of who will accept the offers and in June or July they'll take care of everything.

So still no date to give to my current Boss. Best I can give him is "In June/July, I'll know when I'll have to quit".

Oh well.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Logan Daly D on March 05, 2009, 20:48:46
I got a call today,ROTP, Civi U, Logistics Air division !!!  But she said I would get an e-mail explaining it better, was I supposed to get the e-mail today as well? Because I haven't received it yet   
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Rgallant13 on March 05, 2009, 21:00:29
I got a call today as well.  Rotp at a civilian university.  I'm already doing my year of university so they will next year.  I'm going in as a land engineer... which I guess is a fancy word for infantry.  She told me I will receive a letter tomorrow or Monday which will give me a lot of information and I can call them if I have questions from there.

On an unrelated note, people keep using the word MOC... what does that mean?  I'm assuming it has something to do with what trade people chose? 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on March 05, 2009, 21:05:15
 ;D

I...........  I'm going in as a land engineer... which I guess is a fancy word for infantry. 

I would have thought that someone entering the CF and already in university, would have at least done some research into what they were getting into.

On an unrelated note, people keep using the word MOC... what does that mean?  I'm assuming it has something to do with what trade people chose?

MILITARY OCCUPATION CODE

I think you really should go do some research.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on March 05, 2009, 21:15:27
Congrats to everyone who got offers, that's pretty exciting.

Which Recruiting Centers have you all been contacted by?


I'm going in as a land engineer... which I guess is a fancy word for infantry.

I thought they ask you a few questions in the interview about the MOC's you chose to make sure you have an idea of the job you are (sort of) applying for? I did my interview a couple years ago now I guess though.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: annieV on March 05, 2009, 21:15:44
any ROTP nursing candidates out there hear anything yet?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: prima6 on March 05, 2009, 21:20:02
I got a call today as well.  Rotp at a civilian university.  I'm already doing my year of university so they will next year.  I'm going in as a land engineer... which I guess is a fancy word for infantry.  She told me I will receive a letter tomorrow or Monday which will give me a lot of information and I can call them if I have questions from there.

On an unrelated note, people keep using the word MOC... what does that mean?  I'm assuming it has something to do with what trade people chose?

Land engineering is a group of three MOSIDs, 00181, 00187 and 00341 which are Engineer, Electrical and Mechanical Engineer and Signals respectively.  As Mr. Wallace says, you should really do some research as if you don't even know what you applied for or were offered, there's no way you know what you are going to be doing.  If this is the case, I'm very surprised that you made it through the selection process.  When I applied 9 years ago the officer at the CFRC asked many very specific questions about the MOC (now MOSID) I was applying for to ensure that I knew what I would be doing as a job and that I was prepared for what that entailed (deployments, etc).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Arcany on March 05, 2009, 21:29:59
Does anyone know what you need to score on your CFAT for the pilot trade?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on March 05, 2009, 21:34:06
Does anyone know what you need to score on your CFAT for the pilot trade?

No.

Scores are not advertised.  You aren't even told your score.  You will be told if you have the aptitude or not for the Trades you applied for.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: prima6 on March 05, 2009, 22:56:38
Does anyone know what you need to score on your CFAT for the pilot trade?

The same as all other officer trades with the exception of AEC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Rgallant13 on March 05, 2009, 23:39:09
I know very well what I applied for, infantry, artillery and armour.  The girl that called me said that "land engineer" is infantry.  That is what the problem is... I've researched infantry and what I applied for... I just had no idea what land engineer was.  So either we miscommunicated or something.  I don't see why the would sign me up for a land engineer when I never applied for anything even related to that.  I have researched the combat arms very heavily and I have spent hours reading information on the infantry.  I don't know anyone in the military besides the recruiters I talked to so if I am misled it is because of what I am told.  Anyways, I will call them tomorrow and straighten things out. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Machina on March 06, 2009, 00:00:57
Hi everyone! I'm a new member here! Congrats to everyone who's been accepted into RMC; I just recieved my phone call yesterday and accepted my offer for ROTP: Pilot. Hmm... now just waiting on aircrew selection! Hope all goes well with applications!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on March 06, 2009, 00:26:21
Hi everyone! I'm a new member here! Congrats to everyone who's been accepted into RMC; I just recieved my phone call yesterday and accepted my offer for ROTP: Pilot. Hmm... now just waiting on aircrew selection! Hope all goes well with applications!!

For Pilot or Air operations?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Machina on March 06, 2009, 00:43:44
Sorry, probably air ops. (Haha, I didn't really listen to the recruiter who called me because of the adrenaline rush!)  My first choice was pilot, but I haven't done ACS yet, so I guess it's not really a shoe-in.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on March 06, 2009, 00:47:36
Ok, you scared me for a bit, I am in the ROTP since last year (going for pilot too) and I had another interview to get my trade assigned today. I would have found it unfair if you had your trade assigned before me. But anyway, congratulation on your acceptance!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Machina on March 06, 2009, 01:07:27
Didn't mean to scare ya. So, this is your second year in ROTP? Is that when trades are assigned to the each of the cadets?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on March 06, 2009, 01:11:26
Haha, don't apologize for this. But yeah, the interviews have to be done by the end of march and my guess is that there is going to be a selection board that'll take the final decision.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on March 06, 2009, 02:54:04
Quote
Ok, you scared me for a bit, I am in the ROTP since last year (going for pilot too) and I had another interview to get my trade assigned today. I would have found it unfair if you had your trade assigned before me. But anyway, congratulation on your acceptance!

How did it go? Was it as involved as the first interview?

I'm still waiting for my interview. Can't wait

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on March 06, 2009, 11:38:54
It went great, it's pretty similar to the other ones. Know your trade and it'll go great.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on March 06, 2009, 17:00:28
Ya..I'm in my last year of high school, I applied for rotp 2009-2010 Pilot this year, but i didnt have time to get my grades up I'm sitting at and average around 85%, math 81%, chem 89%, bio 90%, physics 80%.......So i guess i'll just take a year off school and work on getting my grades higher cause i really want ta go to the RMC....The recruiter at my CFRC said i have a good chance cause i just passed ACS on feb 7th and was told that i dont have to do it again when i apply for rotp 2010-2011.....I'm pretty sure it was my grade that was the reason for not getting selected this year cause I play lots of sports and have a good amount of volunteer hours. I was kinda stupid cause i choose engineering as my major but see i should have choosen a General sciences degree or something....

As for questions about aircrew selection we cant say much, I didnt have any previous pilot experience and still passed, I did buy that 400$ microsoft flight simulator to practice before and feel that helped SOOOO MUCH...........But they say that ACS is the real deal maker or breaker.......the acs intake the week before me only had 2 people out of 9 pass but dont get uppset about the odds cause i was right there, i thought i had failled for sure and then i was told i passed.....my intake had 5 or 6 out of 10 pass so it works both ways....

as for the guy wanting to pass air nav it's now called acso( air combat systems officer) i think........

oh by the way i dont kno if your able to do this but it would be nice if you could if you changed the topic of this thread to just rotp 2010-2011 instead of civi U
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 06, 2009, 17:42:28
   I just got the phone call today for ROTP offer. I got accepted at RMC for land engineering grouping..I'm ecstatic.  ;D
   Congrats to everyone else who got in as well!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 06, 2009, 18:24:23
Has anyone from the East coast heard anything yet?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on March 06, 2009, 18:32:32
Nothing here yet from CFRC in Fredericton.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 06, 2009, 18:43:29
Same in Halifax, and Newfoundland from what I gather.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on March 06, 2009, 18:53:48
how about the west coast anyone heard anything?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on March 06, 2009, 19:55:03
Nope no call for me yet?
Is the Bord done alphabetically or in order received?
That was never explaind to me
 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: prima6 on March 06, 2009, 20:17:11
Ya..I'm in my last year of high school, I applied for rotp 2009-2010 Pilot this year, but i didnt have time to get my grades up I'm sitting at and average around 85%, math 81%, chem 89%, bio 90%, physics 80%.......So i guess i'll just take a year off school and work on getting my grades higher cause i really want ta go to the RMC....The recruiter at my CFRC said i have a good chance cause i just passed ACS on feb 7th and was told that i dont have to do it again when i apply for rotp 2010-2011.....I'm pretty sure it was my grade that was the reason for not getting selected this year cause I play lots of sports and have a good amount of volunteer hours. I was kinda stupid cause i choose engineering as my major but see i should have choosen a General sciences degree or something....

What province are you from?  It's hard to say whether grades would be the issue or not... 85% is a pretty good average, but I do recall from my orientation at RMC in 2000 that Dr. Weir said that the selection board had to adjust grades to compare applicants from different provinces.

When I applied in 2000 I believe I had a grade 12 average of maybe 86 or 87% and I was accepted on the early board (with engineering selected as the degree stream), so that's why I say it's hard to say if your grades would be the problem.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yuna on March 06, 2009, 21:03:56
how about the west coast anyone heard anything?

I'm from west coast.. nothing here..
by the way where in west coast are you from??
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 06, 2009, 22:05:57
The Board sends the data on who was selected and who wasn't to the individual Recruiting Centres across the country. The person who will call you is likely the person who interviewed you earlier. The call load on each Centre shouldn't be enormous. The calls will probably come next week sometime.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yuna on March 06, 2009, 22:45:00
The Board sends the data on who was selected and who wasn't to the individual Recruiting Centres across the country. The person who will call you is likely the person who interviewed you earlier. The call load on each Centre shouldn't be enormous. The calls will probably come next week sometime.
so ultimately they call you either way?? accepted or not?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 06, 2009, 23:17:42
I think by reading the other posts, some members of this board were told that they should come back next year, or after upping their marks.  I imagine they would call you either way.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 06, 2009, 23:18:09
 Nothing from my CFRC yet. I guess us Atlantic Canadians get to suffer the weekend out not knowing.
 
 Fantastic...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 06, 2009, 23:19:44
Nothing from my CFRC yet. I guess us Atlantic Canadians get to suffer the weekend out not knowing.
 
 Fantastic...
:crybaby:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 06, 2009, 23:22:52
When I was phoned the Recruiting Officer told me that some buildings at RMC are under renovation so fewer are being accepted this year. I'm guessing that means things will be slightly more competitive for those who applied there.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 06, 2009, 23:28:48
Could be a reason why the civvie U acceptances seem to outweigh the RMC ones...but thats speculation.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 06, 2009, 23:35:59
 Meh. Doesn't matter how competitive it is - they will still call us and tell us whether or not we are accepted. That, and I have lost a lot of confidence in what Recruiting staff say in indirect quotes ;D.

 Or, maybe it's because a lot of us in this thread haven't heard anything at all yet :nod:.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 06, 2009, 23:41:00
Or, maybe it's because a lot of us in this thread haven't heard anything at all yet :nod:.

Just those like us on the Atlantic coast ::), and apparently those on the Pacific coast as well...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 06, 2009, 23:53:05
When I was phoned the Recruiting Officer told me that some buildings at RMC are under renovation so fewer are being accepted this year. I'm guessing that means things will be slightly more competitive for those who applied there.

Well since I put RMC as #1 and no longer want it maybe thats a good thing for me haha.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 06, 2009, 23:56:19
....knock on wood......lol just kidding Marshall.  It is a little frustrating to wait an extra week, but I'm sure we'll all get calls about ROTP one way or another next week...fingers crossed.....
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: halfro on March 07, 2009, 00:09:06
Just got the call from my center today.  Got accepted into civvyU for land ops, just need to hear back from my Civvy universitys now.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 07, 2009, 00:16:47
I'll trade you civvie U for RMC  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 07, 2009, 00:39:41
I'll trade you civvie U for RMC  ;D

Haha well if I get RMC ill tell them to trade with you.

I think it is easier to switch to Civvie U then it is for RMC tho?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 07, 2009, 00:44:55
No idea.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cbuchan3 on March 07, 2009, 00:58:07
This is my first post here because it seemed every time I had a question somebody on this thread had just answered it.  Anyway, thought I would tell you all I got the call on Wednesday from the Ottawa recruiting center and got accepted into Civvy U for Land Eng.  Good luck everyone and thank you for the wealth of information. :salute:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 07, 2009, 08:44:32
 Congratulation cbuchan3.

 And that's why we posted everything we possibly could; so we could answer questions that everyone else probably had.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 07, 2009, 11:19:58
Here's a question for all those that were accepted into ROTP at civvie U; Were you told that you were going to do IAP this summer or some other training?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Magic on March 07, 2009, 11:20:46
I got the no good call. They said I was not selected yet for Pilot going to RMC. They said to hold tight for next selection at the end of this month.

My average is 84%, with plenty of volunteering and sports under my belt. Looks like competition is stiff !

Good luck to all still. I have my fingers crossed for the next round.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 07, 2009, 11:42:13
Here's a question for all those that were accepted into ROTP at civvie U; Were you told that you were going to do IAP this summer or some other training?

I was basically told to hold tight because that information would be coming in the near future. As of right now I have no future dates for anything yet.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on March 07, 2009, 12:15:12
I got the no good call. They said I was not selected yet for Pilot going to RMC. They said to hold tight for next selection at the end of this month.

My average is 84%, with plenty of volunteering and sports under my belt. Looks like competition is stiff !

Good luck to all still. I have my fingers crossed for the next round.

Tough one, good luck for the next round though. Did you get called today? I thought they would be closed on Saturday.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 07, 2009, 14:37:38
Here's a question for all those that were accepted into ROTP at civvie U; Were you told that you were going to do IAP this summer or some other training?

What I was told is that the offer is on the table and they'll contact me (probably the others too) in June/July and my first thing to do will be University. Nothing else before university. I was told to continue working or doing whatever I'm doing now until the very last minute before I start full time University.

It was also mentioned that the courses in May are all full of ROTP students from previous years. No room left at all and even the CEOTP recruits selected soon would only be going on course later this summer.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: logairoff on March 07, 2009, 14:43:25
Later this summer as in the August course? or do you have info that an earlier date will be available?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 07, 2009, 14:59:58
I was told September. I don't have complete information about all the course though, so there may be an earlier one too.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: halfro on March 07, 2009, 16:27:45
my understanding is that instead of going to Basics before first year we will be doing a different course taking around the same time but they are saving basics for those who have completed a first year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 07, 2009, 17:35:39
All those selected for RMC will go in mid-August for an introductory period before the start of the academic year in Sept.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on March 07, 2009, 21:47:17
hey guys, i got a call on last Tuesday from Ottawa Recruiting centre and i've been selected for ROTP eventhough i put RMC as my first choice. I'm very happy either way and good luck to people who are still waiting!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 07, 2009, 22:41:19
hey guys, i got a call on last Tuesday from Ottawa Recruiting centre and i've been selected for ROTP eventhough i put RMC as my first choice. I'm very happy either way and good luck to people who are still waiting!!


You mean you've been selected for Civilian University ROTP instead of RMC?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 07, 2009, 23:18:06
Quote
hey guys, i got a call on last Tuesday from Ottawa Recruiting centre and i've been selected for ROTP eventhough i put RMC as my first choice. I'm very happy either way and good luck to people who are still waiting!!

What element grouping were you selected for?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on March 08, 2009, 12:27:08
i'm in victoria, BC
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on March 08, 2009, 17:17:15
I believe I was selected for Land Engineer
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: muse on March 09, 2009, 12:18:05
Got accepted for ROTP civvy U, crazy thing, i never applied to any civvy U. Waiting on second rmc selection. *fingers crossed*
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 09, 2009, 13:08:25
When is that second selection for RMC?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 09, 2009, 14:02:55
Based on my "reply to your offer by this date", I would guess after 16 Mar 09.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dbouls on March 09, 2009, 15:29:46
I've been biting my fingers for the last month and I finally got the call today!

I was extended an offer for CivvieU ROTP - Land Ops,

I'm already in second year at Ontario IT, and they're picking me up for my last two years here.
The only problem that I have with this is that the officer that called me said I wouldn't be doing any training this summer (which I can't wait to do). I would be doing it next summer, and I'm doing my enrollment ceremony sometime at the end of July in Toronto.

Best of luck to the rest of you
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 09, 2009, 16:04:41
 I got the call today. Only problem is no one was home  ;D.

 Gonna call in tomorrow when the office is open.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: muse on March 09, 2009, 16:53:34
ACEC, i think the second selection date is march 24th.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 09, 2009, 17:28:04
Thanks muse, just making sure.

No calls here yet, despite all the time waiting at the phone...I'm not sure if anyone around here got a phone call yet...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 09, 2009, 18:24:59
There have been alot more civvie U offers than RMC offers. I wonder what's up with that.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Leafs_fan_85 on March 09, 2009, 20:02:38
Hi fellas,

I have been keeping an eye on this thread for a few weeks and appreciate all the info; although, I'm sure some of you will agree, it has been slightly misleading at times.

I was tossed aside by the first selection board, but I am still under consideration for the second round. If I had not emailed my case manager, directly, then I would not have received any information regarding my application status until mid-April. So, like many of you guys and gals, I would still be waiting for a phone call or letter that would, ultimately, not be coming for at least another month or so.

I would suggest contacting your particular case manager/recruiter if you have yet to receive an offer or rejection: It certainly beats checking your messages five times a day for a call that might not be coming for another month.

Regards.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Thanks on March 09, 2009, 21:37:48
Thanks everyone for the good information in the thread.

My son who is now Gr12 in secondary school received a phone call from local CFRC in western Ontario today at 1:30 pm and was accepted ROTP at RMC for serving of as a aerospace engineer.

I would appreciate all of the information and wish you the best of luck in the near future.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on March 09, 2009, 21:55:52
Here's a question for all those that were accepted into ROTP at civvie U; Were you told that you were going to do IAP this summer or some other training?

I was just informed that 59 anglophone (no problem with franco's) current first years (Kingston and St-Jean) and prep years will not be able to go on course this summer for our BMOQ due to a lack of instructors/room. Therefore, I wouldn't hold your breath on getting to do basic this summer even if they changed the policy on when you do basic.

I have no idea on whether the Civi U ROTP types will get to do basic this summer or not.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 09, 2009, 22:06:15
I was informed that I'll be contacted again in June/July for the official offer. So there's no time left after that for training before Civy U.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 09, 2009, 22:49:04
Quote
My son who is now Gr12 in secondary school received a phone call from local CFRC in western Ontario today at 1:30 pm and was accepted ROTP at RMC for serving of as a aerospace engineer.

My congrats. :salute: I originally applied for that but accepted an offer to RMC for land engineering. I received no other information in the call other than that I have no basic this summer but to come in mid August. I was also told as a side not that a few dorms are being renovated, but that isn't particularly important.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Rgallant13 on March 09, 2009, 23:16:43
I was accepted on Friday for Civy U, lands ops.  I already have first year university done and I was also told I won't be doing basic training this summer.  They told me my enrollment ceremony will be sometime near the end of August.  This is from Charlottetown, PEI.  I already posted here saying all of this but I have a question.  On the letter they sent me it said I was accepted as land engineering, I called and talked to them and they said it was a mistake and it is supposed to be land operations as I applied for infantry, artillery and armour.  I'm still a little worried, if my recruiting centre told me it is a mistake, they would know right? 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on March 09, 2009, 23:21:51
I was accepted on Friday for Civy U, lands ops.  I already have first year university done and I was also told I won't be doing basic training this summer.  They told me my enrollment ceremony will be sometime near the end of August.  This is from Charlottetown, PEI.  I already posted here saying all of this but I have a question.  On the letter they sent me it said I was accepted as land engineering, I called and talked to them and they said it was a mistake and it is supposed to be land operations as I applied for infantry, artillery and armour.  I'm still a little worried, if my recruiting centre told me it is a mistake, they would know right?

Do you know the first thing about contracts?  When you go into the CFRC to sign your offer......READ IT VERY CAREFULLY ...........ASK QUESTIONS if you have to............DON'T SIGN ANYTHING YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH......MAKE SURE YOUR NAME IS SPELLED CORRECTLY..........MAKE SURE THAT THE OFFER THAT THEY GIVE YOU IS WHAT YOU WANT........It is your future.  Learn to take care of yourself.  You say you are going to university.  Act like it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on March 09, 2009, 23:39:07
Hey guys, I have been following this for a while, just registered, I applied late, about 2 weeks after Jan 15th, I applied for ROTP RMC, Air Engineer. I got past the medical and interview they said if my file is good to go by march 15th it would on the list of names for the selection committe to look at but I havent been able to confirm that my name made it in the personnel in charge of my application arent answering their phones and they arent responding by emails either. so I'm just waiting to find out if I will even be on the list for second round of selections. wat do u guys think about chances of being selected in round 2?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 10, 2009, 00:14:13
Doesn't matter what we think.

It depends on a lot of things that are beyond anyone's control here.

Be patient, thats all you can do.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 10, 2009, 07:46:34
 Just called in.

 I was accepted as a Senior to RMC for Land Ops. Ofcouse I accepted the offer.

 This is the greatest thing to happen to me so far  ;D.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on March 10, 2009, 10:20:25
congrats! man, ill find out either way mid april after second round of selections
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on March 10, 2009, 10:53:06
congrats to everyone who got accepted. Just out of curiosity, for what term do you have to serve in the military for? I'm going into computer science in Civi U and i was selected for Land Engineering grouping. I was told that I would have to serve for 13 years (inlcuding 4 years of university) that would leave me 9 years more after the university. This seemed a little too long. Not that I mind serving in the military for a long time but just wondering how many years you guys were told that you have to serve?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on March 10, 2009, 10:59:47
congrats to everyone who got accepted. Just out of curiosity, for what term do you have to serve in the military for? I'm going into computer science in Civi U and i was selected for Land Engineering grouping. I was told that I would have to serve for 13 years (inlcuding 4 years of university) that would leave me 9 years more after the university. This seemed a little too long. Not that I mind serving in the military for a long time but just wondering how many years you guys were told that you have to serve?

Depending on the Trade you go into and the Education required to get you into that Trade, every person entering the CF will have Variable Ingagements. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RecceO on March 10, 2009, 11:21:12
For my year, the VIE for most was 13 years although pilots and a few other cases with extended training have longer VIEs.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on March 10, 2009, 13:15:21
Just got the call.

ROTP at RMC for MARS Officer.

I'm in Victoria, so the west coast should be getting their calls soon.

Good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Lyall on March 10, 2009, 13:27:38
Just got the call....

Got accepted for Sea trades and for Civ U.

Now just waiting to hear back from Civ Us, on weather i get in with them or not   :-\
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 10, 2009, 14:49:01
 Congratulations!

 It's like a huge weight gets lifted and you feel like all the waiting(up to this point anyways  >:D) has been worth it.

 It's just so good to see so many people from this topic being accepted.

 To those who haven't been accepted, don't lose hope. There are more selections to come. Just hang in there and you may be surprised(in a good way hopefully).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: prima6 on March 10, 2009, 21:56:02
congrats to everyone who got accepted. Just out of curiosity, for what term do you have to serve in the military for? I'm going into computer science in Civi U and i was selected for Land Engineering grouping. I was told that I would have to serve for 13 years (inlcuding 4 years of university) that would leave me 9 years more after the university. This seemed a little too long. Not that I mind serving in the military for a long time but just wondering how many years you guys were told that you have to serve?

Keep in mind that you don't have to serve all 13 years of a 13 year variable intermediate engagement.  You can be released from the CF, either at your request or the CF's.  Some restrictions may apply and I'll summarize them below.

You will incur obligatory service for your subsidized education.  Generally for ROTP this will be 5 years, though it can be less if you complete your degree with less than 30 months of subsidized education.  The rate at which obligatory service is incurred is 2 months per 1 month of subsidized education up to a maximum of 60 months.  During your period of obligatory service a release from the military is generally not approved, however, if it is you will be required to pay back an amount of money calculated based on how much obligatory service you have left and how much it cost to put you through your subsidized education. 

Another thing that can happen during your VIE, and the only officer trades this applies to are Pilot and ACSO, is a restricted release.  This period of time is 7 years for Pilot and 4 years for ACSO.  This period of time will run down concurrently with obligatory service.  Again, a voluntary release (or occupation transfer) during your restricted release is not generally approved, though AFAIK, if it is approved there is no financial penalty.

Before signing a 13 year VIE, I'd suggest reading this as a start:
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/pd/pi-ip/05-05-eng.asp#ins-03-03-17

Also, when you read the paperwork along with your TOS when you are at the recruiting center to sign them at the enrollment ceremony, ask every question that you have so that you fully understand what you are signing.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on March 11, 2009, 10:26:15
I just called my recruiting centre to see if there was any news...turns out my file was closed or something. They said they tried to contact me in the fall for an interview, I'm not sure what happened because they had no trouble getting in touch with me in the summer for Aircrew Selection...same phone number.

I guess this means I missed the selection board even though I submitted my application last January or February...how frustrating is that.

The moral is to call the recruiting centre to check up I guess.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 11, 2009, 14:27:29
 Ouch... Sorry to hear that. Especially given how far a long you were.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 11, 2009, 15:15:41
I just recieved a phone call from CFRC Halifax at 1430 and I've been accepted to the RMCC for an arts degree with a land ops MOSID to be determined next May at an interview.  This is exactly what I was hoping for :)  I'll see the rest of the RMC first years in August.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 11, 2009, 15:47:26
 Wow... That's really creepy ACEC... I was called at 1430 on Monday and was accepted to RMCC for an arts degree in Land Ops with an MOSID to be determined before the second year of subsidized university.
Really makes you think.

 But wow, we are doing pretty good in this topic overall.

 By the way, I recieved my carbon-copy ROTP acceptence letter. It's weird how everything that was changed from the carbon-copy is bolded. Ah well, you'll understand when you see it  ;D.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on March 11, 2009, 18:06:28
I went to CFRC Halifax to try and get my file transferred over to try and make the second board. The recruiter told me I probably wouldn't be in time for it, and I should apply again next year.

It turns out ROTP doesn't accept people for their last year of university anyway. Somehow this wasn't pointed out to me.

DEO it is...at least I got Aircrew Selection out of the way. Congrats to those who were selected.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 12, 2009, 15:22:11
congrats to everyone who got accepted. Just out of curiosity, for what term do you have to serve in the military for? I'm going into computer science in Civi U and i was selected for Land Engineering grouping. I was told that I would have to serve for 13 years (inlcuding 4 years of university) that would leave me 9 years more after the university. This seemed a little too long. Not that I mind serving in the military for a long time but just wondering how many years you guys were told that you have to serve?

Throughout my application process I was told that land operations, my occupational grouping, was accompanied with a 9 year contract, 4 of those years being university.  When I received my phone call, I was told that mine was a 13 year contract.  I'm not sure, but I think you might be wondering the same thing I am.  Does anyone know if there has there been a change to the initial contract with regards to obligatory service for non-pilot trades?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: muse on March 12, 2009, 16:23:42
Not sure ACEC, but if i remember correctly the contract we signed clearly says for every month of subsidized education you require 2 months of service.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ScottS on March 12, 2009, 20:34:53
As far as I know, the obligatory service due to ROTP and the VIE ("contract") are two completely separate things.  13 years is essentially the amount of time that the CF is required to employ you.  The obligatory service is the amount of time you must spend in the CF to make up for them paying for your tuition.  The obligatory service period will usually end well before the 13 years, and you can release at this point if you wish, however you can also stay until the 13 years is up, and you can release at this point or the CF will give you a new contract (unless they don't want you anymore ;))

EDIT: See prima6's post on the last page, http://forums.air-force.ca/forums/index.php/topic,79084.msg820899.html#msg820899
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on March 12, 2009, 21:19:43
VERY key part about the contract: five years is your obligatory service for the free education, but you are still signing a 13 year contract. This means even if you have finished your obligatory service, you still agreed to serve for the full thirteen and, if the CF sees fit, they can keep you until your contract ends.  Now, from what I've heard, they often don't but they still can.

(At least this is the explanation I've heard, but then again I don't write the contracts)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 12, 2009, 22:00:17
Thanks for the replies dice and scott, that is exactly the kind of response I was looking for. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: jmhfighterpilot on March 13, 2009, 17:29:07
I just found out that I got into RMC for Business Administration in air ops (Pilot).

This is weird because just last week I got a letter telling me I was accepted for Civi U.   Everybody says that I should go to RMC but I just don't know?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 13, 2009, 19:03:18
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Everybody says that I should go to RMC but I just don't know?

Personally I wouldn't even have to think twice about it, I'd definitely go for it. Free university and a salary to go with it, doesn't get much better than that. Plus you can get out before second year duty free if you think it's not for you.

Congrats on the offer
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: platoon_man on March 13, 2009, 23:41:24
YAY... got selected...

ROTP
MOSID : aerospace engineer.. WEEEEE..!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: krkbl on March 14, 2009, 12:31:06
I just found out that I got into RMC for Business Administration in air ops (Pilot).

This is weird because just last week I got a letter telling me I was accepted for Civi U.   Everybody says that I should go to RMC but I just don't know?


How did you get to find out that you were selected for RMC after getting selected for civi u? did u get a call?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: F.Prefect on March 14, 2009, 14:46:49
Got selected for pilot, ROTP going to St.Jean next year

quick question though, is everyone else whose doing grade 12 this year not required to submit you grade 12 marks? Do they just do it based on you grade 11 marks?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 14, 2009, 17:05:20
I was told I needed to bring in my Diploma, not my marks per se.  I suppose that should be any other candidates instructions as well.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on March 14, 2009, 18:17:01
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Got selected for pilot, ROTP going to St.Jean next year

Congrats !

But do you mean Air Ops?  Just making sure because you shouldn't be learning your specific MOC until after 1st year of school.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: F.Prefect on March 14, 2009, 19:09:47
  Ya, I'm guessing thats what I meant. They called me a few weeks after I passed ACS (March 23-28) and told me I was in. I asked for what job and they said i was down as pilot, I'm guessing now it's just down as Air Ops.
so this means they base it on grade 11 marks if you haven't yet completed grade 12?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on March 14, 2009, 20:07:57
so if u used the grades before you graduated what were your grades like?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 14, 2009, 20:30:09
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so this means they base it on grade 11 marks if you haven't yet completed grade 12?

They will have based your selection for ROTP from your gr. 11 marks. However, they will expect you to maintain a good average and do well this year, it is still a conditional offer.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: F.Prefect on March 14, 2009, 20:43:41
Ya, that's what I had guessed it was like, thanks for clearing that up for me
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on March 17, 2009, 12:32:38
The academic portion of the selection is based on your Grade 10, 11 and whatever marks you have received for Grade 12.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 17, 2009, 23:08:48
Hey all, a little late on responding. Been up in Halifax visiting and have not had a chance to post.

I got called on the 4th and was offered ROTP (Land Op's) at CivvieU in Mount Allison University. But I got it switched to Saint Mary's University in Halifax. So I got exactly what I was hoping for. :)

Gratz to everyone else.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 17, 2009, 23:13:20
 Glad everything worked out for you Marshall.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 17, 2009, 23:14:30
Glad everything worked out for you Marshall.

Yea thanks - a lot easier then I originally thought, and same to you.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 17, 2009, 23:22:21
 Hopefully I'll see you at the CFLRS for BMOQ. If all goes as planned of course  ;D.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chops on March 18, 2009, 01:54:57
Got accepted last week!! For Intel Officer!
Civy U, Hope i get into RMC!
I just have a question though did anybody else get told to be ready for july 18th for
a month of basic training in the summer?  If so what does it consist of
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: boot12 on March 18, 2009, 02:00:58
Hey all, a little late on responding. Been up in Halifax visiting and have not had a chance to post.

I got called on the 4th and was offered ROTP (Land Op's) at CivvieU in Mount Allison University. But I got it switched to Saint Mary's University in Halifax. So I got exactly what I was hoping for. :)

Gratz to everyone else.

Interesting that they told you which Civilian University you were allowed to go to.  I wasn't aware that they made a distinction beyond RMC/Civvy U.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 18, 2009, 08:07:25
Not as of yet.

Is anyone here planning on attending the University of Ottawa?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: TimBit on March 18, 2009, 09:30:35
Got accepted last week!! For Intel Officer!
Civy U, Hope i get into RMC!
I just have a question though did anybody else get told to be ready for july 18th for
a month of basic training in the summer?  If so what does it consist of

Congrats dude! FYI, it's INT O, not Intel. That'll save you some unpleasant remarks in the weeks to come.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 18, 2009, 10:17:15
Interesting that they told you which Civilian University you were allowed to go to.  I wasn't aware that they made a distinction beyond RMC/Civvy U.

Hm, well they told me right off the bat which one I was going to.

Got accepted last week!! For Intel Officer!
Civy U, Hope i get into RMC!
I just have a question though did anybody else get told to be ready for july 18th for
a month of basic training in the summer?  If so what does it consist of

I was only told that it'll be swear-in time around then. Nothing of Basic Training. I always thought it was 2nd summer we do that.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Lumber on March 18, 2009, 13:57:45
Interesting that they told you which Civilian University you were allowed to go to.  I wasn't aware that they made a distinction beyond RMC/Civvy U.

When I was first given acceptance to ROTP, they "told" me I was approved to go to McMaster for Engineering. I immediately told my recruiter that I hadn't even applied to McMaster, and that I hadn't even applied to Engineering at ANY of the school that I did apply to. His answer was simply, "that's fine, University of Ottawa for Economics will be alright."
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 18, 2009, 14:05:47
When I was first given acceptance to ROTP, they "told" me I was approved to go to McMaster for Engineering. I immediately told my recruiter that I hadn't even applied to McMaster, and that I hadn't even applied to Engineering at ANY of the school that I did apply to. His answer was simply, "that's fine, University of Ottawa for Economics will be alright."

Yea, my switch was fairly easy as well. I just had to rush a Acceptance Letter down to the CFRC Halifax to get it confirmed. :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 18, 2009, 14:11:27
Also, does anyone know If I have to wait for the CF to contact me to deposit my fee and choose courses for my CivvieU? Or can I do that myself right away?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chops on March 18, 2009, 14:39:18
hahaha thanks 'TimBit'.  I still need to get used to all these little short forms or whatever they are called.

Im in CFRC London, and they told me july 18th i should be ready to head out for a month of Basic,
i really havent been told anything else?
Should i get in contact with CFRC
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 18, 2009, 15:16:51
hahaha thanks 'TimBit'.  I still need to get used to all these little short forms or whatever they are called.

Im in CFRC London, and they told me july 18th i should be ready to head out for a month of Basic,
i really havent been told anything else?
Should i get in contact with CFRC

Odd, I thought that basic starts in 2nd year?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Rgallant13 on March 18, 2009, 15:24:06
I was also told basic is 2nd year and enrollment ceremony is around end of July to start of August.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on March 18, 2009, 15:35:21
Well decided to phone the CFRC just now and apparently they didn't get my backcheck back from the company quick enough (even tho they called all my referances mid January) so I wasn't in the February selection board but I will be in the April one. Yay ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on March 18, 2009, 15:41:12
Word I received from CFRC London was that enrollment is July 18th and that I will be contacted in April/May with more specifics.

As of that moment of time, I will not be attending basic this summer (was originally told I would be), and that I will probably be doing some sort of mini-basic a few weeks before the school year starts for preperation for RMC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 18, 2009, 15:50:24
Word I received from CFRC London was that enrollment is July 18th and that I will be contacted in April/May with more specifics.

As of that moment of time, I will not be attending basic this summer (was originally told I would be), and that I will probably be doing some sort of mini-basic a few weeks before the school year starts for preperation for RMC.

That is FYOP (First Year Orientation Period) I am assuming. For you RMC people :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RecceO on March 18, 2009, 15:55:21
FYOP does not begin until September. That mini- basic is known as Recruit Camp and for my year it was 2.5 weeks before September. The rumour mill is saying that both RMC First Years and Civi U First Years will have to partake in Recruit Camp, however take that with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 18, 2009, 16:35:42
 Interesting. I am intrigued to know what we'd do for 2.5 weeks... Sounds like "Recruit Camp" is a fancy way to say "stand in line and get your kit" or maybe "get you *** up, it's time for a fitness test".

 I'm guessing details are few are far between at the moment. However I'm sure once the CFRCs know, we'll know as well.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: boot12 on March 18, 2009, 17:07:07
When I was first given acceptance to ROTP, they "told" me I was approved to go to McMaster for Engineering. I immediately told my recruiter that I hadn't even applied to McMaster, and that I hadn't even applied to Engineering at ANY of the school that I did apply to. His answer was simply, "that's fine, University of Ottawa for Economics will be alright."

In my case, I simply told them that I had already accepted an offer and paid my admissions deposit, and was going there either way.  They didn't have a problem.

I wonder if there's ever been a case where someone fought for a different school than the one they were told to go to, and were refused. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 18, 2009, 17:12:35
In my case, I simply told them that I had already accepted an offer and paid my admissions deposit, and was going there either way.  They didn't have a problem.

I wonder if there's ever been a case where someone fought for a different school than the one they were told to go to, and were refused.

Unless it is not recognized I do not see why there would ever be a problem. As long as you are accepted to the Uni of your choice.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chops on March 18, 2009, 21:57:39
haha its good to know whats going on to a degree i guess. 
Itll be a month of them kicking our asses,  :-\ and taking names. 

Is there anyone in London that has gotten accepted to ROTP for next year
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 18, 2009, 22:16:32
I was also told basic is 2nd year and enrollment ceremony is around end of July to start of August.

 This is also the information I received although it came with the usual caveat that these things are subject to change.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 19, 2009, 17:41:14
The two and a half weeks in August are split up into approx. a week of administration and a week and a half of basic skills training
e.g. marching, saluting, basic military behaviour etc..
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 19, 2009, 23:31:48
Does anyone know when ROTP Salary starts? Is it in July? or when you start at your university or at RMC?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 19, 2009, 23:37:30
I was told I could keep my full time job until the last minute (day before) I actually start full time at the university. From that, one could deduce that the salary will start on your first day of classes, but I could be mistaken. Two salaries at once wouldn't be too bad... even if the CF one is lower. Extra money is better than no extra money!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 20, 2009, 10:03:45
Yes, unless you start basic before classes then the first day of classes will be when your pay starts. (or so I`m told)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 20, 2009, 10:49:13
Yes, unless you start basic before classes then the first day of classes will be when your pay starts. (or so I`m told)

That is what I thought also. Just making sure for I can set up a summer job without hassle.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on March 20, 2009, 15:45:22
Does anyone know when ROTP Salary starts? Is it in July? or when you start at your university or at RMC?

When you are enrolled you will be given a leave pass with so many days of Leave Without Pay (LWOP) and once that LWOP period is complete, usually the first day of classes or the first day of training, if required, you will start to get paid for your service.  Don't spend it all at once.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on March 20, 2009, 16:12:50
And don't expect the pay to just start automatically either.  There is a long winded clear-in procedure you have to do with your ULO and the Payroll/records clerks before your pay will start.

I've heard stories from my ULO that past students never caught on to this, and didn't start getting paid till January lol.


Also, the PLD will not start the same time as your first pay check. For me it didn't kick in until the third pay check i believe. It took a month approximately. So its a good idea to have lots of spare cash saved up, or a credit card to pay for rent etc while your waiting for your first few paychecks.

And the PLD is cut in half by tax. So 850$ in victoria for PLD is really 400$

But it definitely helps a lot. After all the tax is out, we students get a respectable amount to rent a nice place if you so desire.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 20, 2009, 16:44:20
And don't expect the pay to just start automatically either.  There is a long winded clear-in procedure you have to do with your ULO and the Payroll/records clerks before your pay will start.

I've heard stories from my ULO that past students never caught on to this, and didn't start getting paid till January lol.


Also, the PLD will not start the same time as your first pay check. For me it didn't kick in until the third pay check i believe. It took a month approximately. So its a good idea to have lots of spare cash saved up, or a credit card to pay for rent etc while your waiting for your first few paychecks.

And the PLD is cut in half by tax. So 850$ in victoria for PLD is really 400$

But it definitely helps a lot. After all the tax is out, we students get a respectable amount to get a rent a nice place if you so desire.

I heard of this. A friend at RMC did not get her pay correctly started for a couple of cheques. Thank you for the information. As for this process for payroll, are you contacted about it?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on March 20, 2009, 17:02:52
Quote
As for this process for payroll, are you contacted about it?

I wasn't, no.  If I recall, when you sign your contracts, you are given dates by which time you should contact your assigned ULO.

If you don't contact them, then the Clear-in procedure will not start, and you certainly won't get paid.

Your ULO likely wont call you until way past the suggested date to see if you fell off the earth.

So, you have to make the initiative and call to make appointments with the ULO, who will help you get ready with the Clear-in procedure at the base to get set up with payroll and records.

With payroll/records, you will deal with setting up your Direct Deposit, your Will, who you want your death benefits to go to, your PLD, etc. 

This can take a couple days.

So, you want this taken care of at least 1-2 weeks before September starts or you will likely end up missing Pay periods while the documents get processed.

The sooner you call your ULO to set an appointment, the sooner you get paid when September comes along.

If it's left until a few days before Sept, the first pay period will likely be missed.

Hope this helps

Corey

EDIT: I just remembered while typing this why, in my case, the PLD didn't kick in with my first paychecks. It was because the date of Move-in on my Rental Agreement wasn't for another few weeks (october 1st). And the PLD wont officially start until the date on the agreement.

Unfortunatly, the 1st of october (when rent was due and I moved in) was AFTER the previous paycheck on Sept 30th just a day or two before. So I had to wait until the next check on the 15th to get my first PLD amount tacked onto my pay.

So out came the credit card  :P

Just incase your wondering:  Pay periods are every 2 weeks, on the 15th, and 30th of the month.

If those days fall on a weekend or holiday, then the pay will come early.

Sorry for all the Edits: Running on 2 hours of sleep.  Homework  :threat:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on March 20, 2009, 18:08:07
Hello all! Congrats on those who got into ROTP...I hope to join you.

I am currently transfering from Scotian (naval reserve unit) to the reg force and finish my last 2 years of UNI under ROTP. They screwed up my file for the first board, and rushed, i mean RUSHED my file to get in, and it got away to RMC 1 day before it was due for the second board.

I just have a couple of questions though for anyone who knows. When is the second board in march, I cannot remember the specific date. Also, did anyone get into ROTP through transfering from a reserve unit...I'm just scared that I wont get in, and I hope that this makes me more competitive.

My recruiter said "I cant tell you you're going to get a job, but I have seen several other MARS applicants less qualified than you get through, so I would feel very confident." I felt really good about what he said, but I am scared that this is something a lot of recruiters say, and that people who are told this dont even get accepted...

hahaha sorry about unloading everything, I'm just nervous, I really want this
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 20, 2009, 18:25:34
I wasn't, no.  If I recall, when you sign your contracts, you are given dates by which time you should contact your assigned ULO.

If you don't contact them, then the Clear-in procedure will not start, and you certainly won't get paid.

Your ULO likely wont call you until way past the suggested date to see if you fell off the earth.

So, you have to make the initiative and call to make appointments with the ULO, who will help you get ready with the Clear-in procedure at the base to get set up with payroll and records.

With payroll/records, you will deal with setting up your Direct Deposit, your Will, who you want your death benefits to go to, your PLD, etc. 

This can take a couple days.

So, you want this taken care of at least 1-2 weeks before September starts or you will likely end up missing Pay periods while the documents get processed.

The sooner you call your ULO to set an appointment, the sooner you get paid when September comes along.

If it's left until a few days before Sept, the first pay period will likely be missed.

Hope this helps

Corey

EDIT: I just remembered while typing this why, in my case, the PLD didn't kick in with my first paychecks. It was because the date of Move-in on my Rental Agreement wasn't for another few weeks (october 1st). And the PLD wont officially start until the date on the agreement.

Unfortunatly, the 1st of october (when rent was due and I moved in) was AFTER the previous paycheck on Sept 30th just a day or two before. So I had to wait until the next check on the 15th to get my first PLD amount tacked onto my pay.

So out came the credit card  :P

Just incase your wondering:  Pay periods are every 2 weeks, on the 15th, and 30th of the month.

If those days fall on a weekend or holiday, then the pay will come early.

Sorry for all the Edits: Running on 2 hours of sleep.  Homework  :threat:

Thanks for the heads up, I will definitely get in contact ASAP after I sign the dotted line.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Barts on March 21, 2009, 23:35:16
Interesting that they told you which Civilian University you were allowed to go to.  I wasn't aware that they made a distinction beyond RMC/Civvy U.

The university itself is your posted unit.  It's part of your ETP message.  Thus, the CF needs to know where you'll be for admin purposes (support base) not to mention reimbursment of tuition. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Barts on March 21, 2009, 23:47:00
Also, does anyone know If I have to wait for the CF to contact me to deposit my fee and choose courses for my CivvieU? Or can I do that myself right away?

Since you're accepted (congrats!) you just go ahead and register like any other civvy student.  When you do up your claim in the fall, you'll be reimbursed then.  If you need, you can get an advance on your claim in the fall in order to pay the full tuition, otherwise the paperwork's a little easier (less to go wrong) if you can go out of pocket.  (does that make sense? I'll rephrase if needed)

You got the acceptance phone call, so they'll trust you to take the steps necessary to attend class in the fall.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 22, 2009, 00:25:57
Since you're accepted (congrats!) you just go ahead and register like any other civvy student.  When you do up your claim in the fall, you'll be reimbursed then.  If you need, you can get an advance on your claim in the fall in order to pay the full tuition, otherwise the paperwork's a little easier (less to go wrong) if you can go out of pocket.  (does that make sense? I'll rephrase if needed)

You got the acceptance phone call, so they'll trust you to take the steps necessary to attend class in the fall.

Good information :)

I learned that I can not choose classes until mid-April anyways, so I just deposited the confirmation fee and am waiting.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Logan Daly D on March 22, 2009, 17:03:49
Hey, I was accepted on the fourth of march by phone to ROTP Civvy u, and left on a 2 week vacation a few days later, am I supposed to recieve some sort of written acceptance? The officer on the phone said they would send me an email with the details but I assumed she meant on that day, over 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: The Dunnminator on March 22, 2009, 17:52:05
You will sign the contract later this summer, they will contact you back about it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on March 22, 2009, 18:11:37
Hey, I was accepted on the fourth of march by phone to ROTP Civvy u, and left on a 2 week vacation a few days later, am I supposed to recieve some sort of written acceptance? The officer on the phone said they would send me an email with the details but I assumed she meant on that day, over 2 weeks ago.

They do not give a whole lot of information at this point. As they told me I believe they will contact you down the road with more detailed information.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Logan Daly D on March 23, 2009, 13:08:55
I only need to know becuase of a summer job, would there be an opportunity for me to work this summer? Or would the military be keeping me busy?  I told the manager at my regular summer job to wait to hire me because I am not sure if I will have the free time in the summer to do so.  Thanks again 

Logan Daly D 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: martr on March 23, 2009, 13:34:28
For Civvy University, I was told I could work until the day before classes start.

Not sure about RMC, but it should be similar or a week or two before the actual start of classes.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Barts on March 23, 2009, 23:02:00
I only need to know becuase of a summer job, would there be an opportunity for me to work this summer? Or would the military be keeping me busy?  I told the manager at my regular summer job to wait to hire me because I am not sure if I will have the free time in the summer to do so.  Thanks again 

Logan Daly D

Quick answer: Most likely.  Better answer? Talk to your CFRC.  You'll likely be on LWOP until the end of the summer anyways, and you'll be encouraged to find employment for that period as the CF will not be paying you at that point.

Hey, I was accepted on the fourth of march by phone to ROTP Civvy u, and left on a 2 week vacation a few days later, am I supposed to recieve some sort of written acceptance? The officer on the phone said they would send me an email with the details but I assumed she meant on that day, over 2 weeks ago.

My phone call was made on 12 Feb 08.  My letter was dated 30 May 08.  (I don't recall getting an email...)  Letters will likely go out once CFRG has all the spots filled.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on March 24, 2009, 05:47:34
so I got my stuff in a week ago, and just got confirmation from CFRC Halifax today that my file was actually received by RMC so I will make it for the board that is being held today, the 24th of March. I'm just a little nervous as to my GPA at the moment. My interview went well, and he said that it is competitive, along with my aptitude score. Also, even though it is a short time (3 Months) in the Reserves as a MARS Officer is also beneficial.

I'm just wondering if anyone got a acceptance offer yet from the previous board with a low GPA. I currently have a 2.3, a C+ average at Dalhousie University (I have 2.5 years left). My recruiter told me that that should be enough, but I'm just worried, I'm hoping someone else out there has got an offer with a GPA like mine, or lower. I'm just trying to ease my mind as I wait the weeks out for my acceptance offer to come back or not.

Also, I head a rumor that it was really good for me since I was applying as MARS. I have been told that it is very in demand, and that the Navy really needs MARS officers right now because there is a severe shortage. I was just wondering if anyone else heard that rumor.

thanks!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on March 24, 2009, 19:47:41
I am so stressed. I am worried that I won't get picked up. This is really what I want to do with my life, a MARS Officer, and its really stressing knowing that someone a thousand miles away from me decided today to give me, or not give me, the career I want.

I really hope my GPA stands up. I was told I look competitive, but I'm just worried this is something everyone is told to stay in the process. Ugh...I can't wait a possible couple weeks to hear back.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derekreid on March 24, 2009, 22:40:38
I am so stressed. I am worried that I won't get picked up. This is really what I want to do with my life, a MARS Officer, and its really stressing knowing that someone a thousand miles away from me decided today to give me, or not give me, the career I want.

I really hope my GPA stands up. I was told I look competitive, but I'm just worried this is something everyone is told to stay in the process. Ugh...I can't wait a possible couple weeks to hear back.

This isn't going to make or break your life. If you get in, you can laugh at yourself for making such a fuss. If you don't, you can work on marks and reapply next year, or for DEO after your degree.

There's nothing you can do about it now...what IS in your control are things to make you a better applicant for future opportunities (GPA, physical activity, volunteering, etc.).

My two cents.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on March 24, 2009, 23:33:19
DEO isnt a bad go either. I know many people who went into the military through by this route and they seem very satisfied by their decision.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on March 24, 2009, 23:44:34
and its really stressing knowing that someone a thousand miles away from me decided today to give me, or not give me, the career I want.


Welcome to real life. It doesnt stop there either. At every step of a military career, decisions that affect you are made by other people far removed from you.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: anthonyfrancis on March 27, 2009, 22:58:37
Read through all 41 pages of this thread - I intend to apply for ROTP this upcoming fall (for the 2010-2011 acedemic year) - and you guys have been very informative; explaining the process you had all gone through. I appreciate all the information everyone has given, has helped me out alot in establishing my career plan. Congratulations to all of you who've been accepted, and good luck to all those still waiting!

 :cdn:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: anthonyfrancis on March 27, 2009, 23:10:26
I apologize for coming back so quickly to reply again; however, I've composed a few questions I haven't seen much of an answer for yet.

1. What was your grade average for your top 6 university level high school courses?

2. What was your grade average over all of high school?

3. How old were you when applying?

My reasoning for these questions are that I am concerned for the likelyhood of my acceptance - to be perfectly honest. I'm going to go officer regardless; if denied by ROTP (civilian university) I will be pursuing BMOQ via the primary reserves. However, the regular forces is my dream.

I am personally looking at about an 90% average for my top 6 grade 12U courses (I have already graduated from high school).

Over the entire course of high school, unfortunately, my grades are significantly lower - due to a troubled past. The average works out to roughly 70% over the entire course of my secondary education.

And on top of it all - as I have already graduated, I am probably much older than the usual crop of applicants. In addition to having already finished high school, I took an extra year to pursue the primary reserves via the co-op program since it was the most effecient means in my local area. But on that note, by the time I apply: this fall, I will be 20. Being 21 when I actually begin my post-secondary education.

I'm looking for these details from the rest of the crowd for a comparative analysis on my part. I am hoping and praying to get this opportunity. Since I've joined the Canadian Forces I've been in love with every concept, and am dedicated to a life-long career. Been trying to turn things around ever since: hence the return to acedemic success in my final year of high school.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on March 27, 2009, 23:23:42
I apologize for coming back so quickly to reply again; however, I've composed a few questions I haven't seen much of an answer for yet.

1. What was your grade average for your top 6 university level high school courses?

2. What was your grade average over all of high school?

3. How old were you when applying?

My reasoning for these questions are that I am concerned for the likelyhood of my acceptance - to be perfectly honest. I'm going to go officer regardless; if denied by ROTP (civilian university) I will be pursuing BMOQ via the primary reserves. However, the regular forces is my dream.

I am personally looking at about an 90% average for my top 6 grade 12U courses (I have already graduated from high school).

Over the entire course of high school, unfortunately, my grades are significantly lower - due to a troubled past. The average works out to roughly 70% over the entire course of my secondary education.

And on top of it all - as I have already graduated, I am probably much older than the usual crop of applicants. In addition to having already finished high school, I took an extra year to pursue the primary reserves via the co-op program since it was the most effecient means in my local area. But on that note, by the time I apply: this fall, I will be 20. Being 21 when I actually begin my post-secondary education.

I'm looking for these details from the rest of the crowd for a comparative analysis on my part. I am hoping and praying to get this opportunity. Since I've joined the Canadian Forces I've been in love with every concept, and am dedicated to a life-long career. Been trying to turn things around ever since: hence the return to acedemic success in my final year of high school.

I was accepted for Fall 2009 in land engineering at RMC. My average will likely be about 90% as well. In past years I've had always and 90% or higher average (not to brag, just answering the question).
I'm currently 17. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on March 27, 2009, 23:31:50
 Glad we could help ;).

 1. My acceptance was based upon my grades from Grade 10 and 11; the only grades on my transcripts. However, I did do a few grade 12 courses last year. My grades on my transcripts were:

Biology 3201 - 93%
French 3200 - 80%
World Geography 3202 - 93%

 An average of 88.88%.

2. Overall I had:
 
English 1201 - 85%
Mathematics 1201 - 90%
Biology 2201 - 96%
Science 1206 - 97%
French 2200 - 80%
Canadian History 1201 - 95%
Healthy Living - 95%

English 2201 - 85%
Mathematics 2201 - 90%
Biology 3201 - 93%
Art 2200 - 80%
Chemistry 2202 - 90%
French 3200 - 80%
World Geography 3202 - 93%

 An overall average of 89.21%.

3. I was 17 upon application and was 17 when I was accepted. Still in final year of high school.

 So you are 3 years older than us? Not really a big deal. Now, 20 years older than us would make a difference(I guess), but 3 is pretty much nothing.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: anthonyfrancis on March 27, 2009, 23:42:33
I was accepted for Fall 2009 in land engineering at RMC. My average will likely be about 90% as well. In past years I've had always and 90% or higher average (not to brag, just answering the question).
I'm currently 17.

Glad we could help ;).

 1. My acceptance was based upon my grades from Grade 10 and 11; the only grades on my transcripts. However, I did do a few grade 12 courses last year. My grades on my transcripts were:

Biology 3201 - 93%
French 3200 - 80%
World Geography 3202 - 93%

 An average of 88.88%.

2. Overall I had:
 
English 1201 - 85%
Mathematics 1201 - 90%
Biology 2201 - 96%
Science 1206 - 97%
French 2200 - 80%
Canadian History 1201 - 95%
Healthy Living - 95%

English 2201 - 85%
Mathematics 2201 - 90%
Biology 3201 - 93%
Art 2200 - 80%
Chemistry 2202 - 90%
French 3200 - 80%
World Geography 3202 - 93%

 An overall average of 89.21%.

3. I was 17 upon application and was 17 when I was accepted. Still in final year of high school.

 So you are 3 years older than us? Not really a big deal. Now, 20 years older than us would make a difference(I guess), but 3 is pretty much nothing.

Seems as those I am consistent with the university qualifying grades thus far - no 95%+ type averages. However; I am still concerned with my overall high school average. Looking forward to more responses - thanks for your's guys.

As for age I am 19 right now, turn 20 on 31/Aug/09. So yeah, unfortunately, I am a bit older. When I was back in my middle days of high school I was too busy being distracted to consider what I actually wanted to do with my life. Lots of respect to you other guys who have been working hard at this opportunity since you got into high school - I envy you. Looking forward to hearing more. This thread has been great thus far!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: anthonyfrancis on March 27, 2009, 23:46:00
I had actually intended to apply in the same class as you all; however, because I am in the primary reserves I was required to perform a component transfer. I had intended to transfer to the regular forces as a training development officer via the ROTP program. No one had told me that trade was not available via the ROTP, and the results: I was denied in my CT to the regs, because a BA is a pre-requisite as a training development officer (obviously). Without the compenent transfer going through, it was too late to get a reasonable ROTP application with another CT attempt. But no biggy, I am in no hurry - I am more concerned with getting this all done the right way, as opposed to the quick way.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Barts on March 28, 2009, 04:55:45
...1. What was your grade average for your top 6 university level high school courses?

2. What was your grade average over all of high school?

3. How old were you when applying?...

My rough average for grades was around 80% (some college courses included) - Remember, grades aren't everything.  They'll look at other things you do (extracurriculars, life experience, etc.)

I applied at 24, turned 26 just after starting.  Does that make being "older" at 20 seem any better?   :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on March 28, 2009, 11:25:34
Quote
...1. What was your grade average for your top 6 university level high school courses?

2. What was your grade average over all of high school?

3. How old were you when applying?...

1.  Remember that every high school/ province is different.  For example...a 90% in Nova Scotia is probably scaled differently then the same mark from Ontario, or even New Brunswick.  Personally, I went through the International Baccalaureate Programme (a university prep programme, similar in intent to the old grade 13 programme in Ontario)during High School and averaged a 6 (marking is completely different). 

2.  40/45 (refer to above)  I'm no expert, but I imagine there is no concrete academic average they come to every year.  From what I've heard from this forum and the recruiting center, extra curricula rs are quite important (like the reserves  :nod:)

3.  17, but I wouldn't cut yourself off too prematurely as "old" , look at Barts situation:

Quote
I applied at 24, turned 26 just after starting.  Does that make being "older" at 20 seem any better?   :P
  ;D

Edited for for repetition :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on March 28, 2009, 11:38:57
Don't worry about age. I'm 23, a graduate of a 3 year college program and I've been accepted into RMC. On my aircrew last week, there were 3 others my age that are going into University and there was a 32 year old as well.

Just make your application as competitive and well rounded as you can, and you'll do fine.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: oldandgrey on March 28, 2009, 14:11:53
As the last reply stated, don't worry about your age...under the RO program the oldest is about 35. the oldest in RMC which she is under different program is 47.

As for your grades, if you make it for the RMC ROTP and if your grades are not good enough, you will end up doing Prep year at CMR for a year. It is not easy to get into RMC, no matter what your age is... they don't look at your age at all. if you have GPA of A  or higher and you done nothing else beside studying. your chances will be low. however, if you have a C or B and volunteer you have a better chance making it into RMC.

Just member one thing RMC is fun but it is a Hard. 

Best of luck to all.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on March 28, 2009, 14:13:32
Just member one thing RMC is fun but it is a Hard. 


Hard?  I wouldn't say so.  One can coast along and do just fine.

Fun?  I guess I missed that part.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: anthonyfrancis on March 29, 2009, 15:46:29
I appreciate the motivational word from all. Glad to see I am not an abstract applicant due to age. And SupersonicMax - that doesn't particularly seem like the appropriate mentality for an individual attending RMC. No inspiration?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on March 29, 2009, 15:57:09
I appreciate the motivational word from all. Glad to see I am not an abstract applicant due to age. And SupersonicMax - that doesn't particularly seem like the appropriate mentality for an individual attending RMC. No inspiration?

I'm not at RMC anymore, I graduated 3 years ago.

Believe me, I had motivation when I got there.  Ask any of my peers in my squadron and year.  At first, I thought "It must be because we're first years.  I will improve with time."  Then, after the first year, into the second, third and thank god, finally the fourth, I realized that it wasn't going to get better and we kept being treated like 6 year old childs.  For a place that is supposed to educated future leader of the military, I was disapointed to say the least.

I'll give you an example. We were stressed by some people that Academics are the number 1 priority during the academic year, yet we were not given the time for them.  On a busy week, I would stay up until 4AM to finish up homeworks, labs, projects, etc.  Yet, I had to get up at 6, even though I didn't have class until 9 in case my chain of command came into my room to make sure my recycling bin didn't have paper in it (ie: a "walkthrough").  And I would get in trouble for leaving a sheet of paper in the recycling bin...  In the mean time, some people would not give a rat's *** about anything and get the in the same trouble...  Yes, I lost inspiration after a little bit...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on March 29, 2009, 15:57:24
that doesn't particularly seem like the appropriate mentality for an individual attending RMC. No inspiration?

He was there so he knows how it was for him.

Were you there ?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RecceO on March 29, 2009, 16:47:37
I'll give you an example. We were stressed by some people that Academics are the number 1 priority during the academic year, yet we were not given the time for them.  On a busy week, I would stay up until 4AM to finish up homeworks, labs, projects, etc.  Yet, I had to get up at 6, even though I didn't have class until 9 in case my chain of command came into my room to make sure my recycling bin didn't have paper in it (ie: a "walkthrough").  And I would get in trouble for leaving a sheet of paper in the recycling bin...  In the mean time, some people would not give a rat's *** about anything and get the in the same trouble...  Yes, I lost inspiration after a little bit...

That being said, I think it depends on the individual squadrons and leaders. This semester the CWC suspended all morning activities (parades and squadron events) during mid terms. It was a nice reprieve and allowed us to get some time to ourselves to study or do whatever.

From what I hear from the current 4th years, things have changed and are changing at the College and it is a better time to be here. More decisions are being given to the Cadet COC, and a lot more is expected of them. I don't know how much more they get to do, but from what I hear the COC has a really big say in what happens here.

However, there are still those who coast and it is frustrating to see a lot of people get by on the bare minimum. You can coast and get by, but from what I've seen you get out what you put in.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: westcoastboy on March 29, 2009, 21:37:17
Question for RMC Students and Alumni
How many 1st yrs are admitted each year & how many students Graduate at the end of 4 yrs approx
In other words what percentage VR after 1st yr..........Do ex Reserve fair better ??  because of their past experiences ?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RecceO on March 29, 2009, 21:57:23
I don't know about each year, as I can only speak about my year. As a current first year, we entered under a different system than other years of the college. As such we have a much higher VR rate at RMC because we didn't attend training prior to getting here.

We started with about 277 first years in August, and we are down to 250 and dropping. A large number are leaving due to being unhappy or because their freebie year is coming to an end. I know of 10 or more people pursuing VRs at the moment. As far as ex reservists, I'm not entirely sure;but, there were 4 that I know of who VRd pretty early.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: westcoastboy on March 29, 2009, 22:07:14
Thats interesting
There are also quite a few people who drop out of Civvie Uni ( not ROTP ) even from my high school last year 2 dropped out before they had slept one night in UBC residence.
From what Supersonic Max said its nothing like anyone can describe or experience

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: chosun86 on March 30, 2009, 00:44:33
A bit late for this post.

I'm going for DEO as Infantry. I'm pumped about this and I was told I'd hear back April 1st.
I've already got an undergrad from Ryerson, but I'm hoping to get into RMC for a graduate degree in the future.

Hope to see everyone at training! (If I get in that is...)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: CEDE NULLIS on March 30, 2009, 11:38:54
I am also going to be applying for ROTP 2010/2011. I am going to be at UFV for two classes in the summer semester and full time in the fall. Hopefully in that time I can achieve an acceptable GPA. It is great to hear of all the non-traditional applicants making the grade for ROTP. I have always assumed that ROTP was reserved for super high achievers straight out of high school (i.e. not me). I am 24, was in the reserves (R031) in high school and first year of college (2.5 yrs) and am in the last two months of my 4 year 3 month contract with the British Army. I am Infantry and have done two op tours; Iraq '06 (Al Amarah, Basra) and Afghan '07/'08 (Helmand). I have yet to decide on a trade or whether I will be applying for Civvy U or RMC, but will be looking into it over the next few months. I believe my main hurdle to be academic, but will work hard to change that. If anyone else is in the same boat PM me and we can compare notes on the process. Thanks to all the posters for all the excellent information that the CF website does not supply.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aviatorman on March 31, 2009, 17:39:59
Hey, I have searched high and low for an answer to my question but had no luck finding one. I just got selected for ROTP at University of Victoria starting in September '09. I have not been sworn in yet. My question is: while I am attending class at UVIC, do I have to keep a certain GPA to stay in the ROTP program? Or, do I just need to pass everything and get a degree?

Thanks
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 01, 2009, 11:36:29
just wondering if there was anyone who got in through the first board and are doing a CT. I am doing one now, made it for the second board (according to CRFC everything went smoothly and I made it in time to be considered, so everything process wise is 100% for me, just have to wait on a response now)

Im just wondering if anyone knew who contacted you with the info. I heard that its not the CFRC that does it because its a CT, that I would hear from someone else. Also, for anyone that did do the CT for the first board, how long after it did you hear back???
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Fide et Fortitudine on April 01, 2009, 13:39:52
CT is done by NDHQ and if you talk to the guys doing the CT and let them know the circumstances, they can get it done fairly quickly. I had to get one done before I finished my application for ROTP, so I just made (I think) the second review board.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Red Hackle on April 01, 2009, 14:14:05

It's too bad you didn't get a contact name of the officer handling your file. They have it in the system, at your CFRC so you can always ask for it. My experience is you are probably going to have to hound them . Should only be another couple of weeks now . Good luck.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 01, 2009, 16:09:13
i was just told again today that everything with my file went through 100%, that the decision was made, but they will not release the results yet. Its annoying waiting but the CFRC is being very helpful and told me that I should hear back from the CT unit as to if I got in and then to begin the CT process full force from the reserve to reg.

Anyone hear from them yet?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 06, 2009, 12:18:42
wondering if anyone has heard back from the second board yet, the one on March 24th...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on April 06, 2009, 12:25:21
Well, I just heard that my offer has been changed from RMC to Civi U. Now I have to find out if I've been accepted to any of the Civi U's I applied to. Bah. That was a curveball.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 06, 2009, 12:42:19
o thats gotta suck...well you can tell them to give me your civi u and you can go to RMC hahaha
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on April 06, 2009, 13:14:05
Haha. I hadn't applied to RMC in the first place, so when I got the offer, I had to scramble to pick a program then.

Now it's back to the original plan, c'mon Civi U acceptance letters!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 06, 2009, 14:48:58
hahahah yeah good luck on that, i hear ya on the whole flip flop thing...its kind of annoying...

i'm doing a component transfer and i contacted my file manager at NDHQ in ottawa friday after somoene at the recruiting center told me that my results may be in, that i made it to the board, so contact my manager to see the results. When i emailed him, he emailed me back at the end of the day and quickly told me he briefly looked over my file and told me I never made it in on time to make the second board.

I was upset all weekend and emailed him back explaining how someone was able to confirm with me that I made it to the board and then now I did not. I pressed him to look into it again, and today he sent me an email saying that I did make it to the board and now all we're waiting on is the results. And then after he sent more info, that i was a little confused about so I called him and he got angry with ME for calling him after I just emailed him....I explained to him that it was him who screwed up the first place and that I really just wanted clarification because online communication can be difficult and misleading sometimes....the phone call ended quickly at the end, I was just shocked that he was angry with me lol
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cbuchan3 on April 06, 2009, 17:28:12
Haha. I hadn't applied to RMC in the first place, so when I got the offer, I had to scramble to pick a program then.

Now it's back to the original plan, c'mon Civi U acceptance letters!

This is very funny because I was originally accepted for Civi U and I had applied to go to RMC so I had to scramble for an internal transfer within my University and to other Universities so that I would be in an appropriate program. Then, just last Tuesday, I got a call from my file manager saying that they screwed my file up with someone else's and that I was supposed to be accepted at RMC.  So I guess they screwed up your file with mine. I'm glad everything got worked out and I wish you the best of luck Heff18.

$160 gone with ouac applications. I still can't help but be happy though ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on April 06, 2009, 21:22:32
 Okay. So there is a Facebook group going for those who are accepted into ROTP at RMC. It is a closed group, but if you were accepted, just PM one of the admins with your Milnet screen name and a request to join the group.

 The idea behind the group is so the interested individuals can get to know a bit about the people they may spend the next 4 years of their life around.

 Drop us a line.
 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=bbe410a7bf4bb6ff3bad09226209b0d0&gid=59561031828&ref=search
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on April 06, 2009, 22:14:46
there is a Facebook group going for those who are accepted into ROTP at RMC
 Drop us a line.
 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?sid=bbe410a7bf4bb6ff3bad09226209b0d0&gid=59561031828&ref=search

It may be a small group now, but it would be great to get to know some other students attending next year. :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on April 07, 2009, 14:40:00
 Yes, the more the merrier. Right now, we have 6 members.

 And it's not all about meeting each other. It's also a place where we can post various specifics about what's coming up, such as the dates and times we are leaving and also when the planes are stopping and such. I mean, let's say for example I take a plane from Deer Lake to Montreal and arrive at Montreal at 1330. And then let's say ACEC and oliver.smith both arrive in Montreal for the plane to Ottawa at 1345 and 1400 respectively. We'd all be there at the same time, and we could then meet up and have some people to talk to and hang with instead of just going around by yourself. Travelling alone is pretty dull.

 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 07, 2009, 14:55:36
ha, you might have more members if the results would come back from the second board...lol i just talked to someone at the recruiting center today and they said it could be as long as 3 weeks from now.....its already been 2 weeks....
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on April 07, 2009, 15:11:35
 I figured as much. Not only are they making you guys wait, they're slowing down the growth of our Facebook group. Grrr...  ;D

 Just hope and pray for the results ASAP. If you do that everynight, one day you'll know, and your faith in God may be strengthened. 

 In all seriousness though it's a very exciting experience when the phone rings with DND or CFRC on the display. It's great when you pick up and they give you the news or some extra information. Though it's more fulfilling when you get good news, bad news atleast means you can move forward.

 Good luck and hang in there  :).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: J.Johnson on April 07, 2009, 22:50:32
 And here I am questioning whether or not recruiting had forgotten about me.
I also called the C.F.R.C. today, receiving the same response: " Don't worry, it will probably only be another three weeks before you receive a reply on your status :nod:"
Wow! I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas to come, and not knowing if I'm going to end up with a lump of coal or a x-box under the tree.
Well, I hope that I end up in that Facebook group someday about 3 weeks from now ;D

Question: Has anyone been accepted as an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering officer?

P.S. Congratulations to everyone who has been accepted into the ROTP! I look forward to hopfully working alongside you some day!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on April 07, 2009, 23:33:31
 Just keep your spirits up. It's a long wait, but hopefully it's worth it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 08, 2009, 15:27:07
And here I am questioning whether or not recruiting had forgotten about me.
I also called the C.F.R.C. today, receiving the same response: " Don't worry, it will probably only be another three weeks before you receive a reply on your status

Wow, three weeks?!! did they say that was the max, that it should not take any longer than three weeks, or that it wont come untill at least three weeks? this sucks for me because I have a  reserve course I have to attend at the end of the month and there is a chance it wont switch over to reg force so I dont plan on going if I get into ROTP, but I'm afraid that i will get a response while im already on course lol
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MARS on April 08, 2009, 17:38:43
BMackenzie,

If you are already loaded on a NAVRES course at the end of this month, as your last post appears to indicate, and you are thinking that you are not going to attend, then you need to tell your DivO TODAY.  As in get off this forum now and call/email your DivO.  I assume you are loaded on a MARS or BOTP course.  There are waiting lists for both right now.  For you to decide at the last minute that you don't plan to attend for anything other than a serious family issue (like death or divorce) then that will screw over someone who plans to stay with the Reserves and is waiting for that course!  What are you thinking guy?  It will piss of HQ and will reflect poorly on Cdr Oland and HMCS SCOTIAN - and you don't need any of that because things will be messy and not a whole lot of fun for you until you actually are accepted to ROTP.

I understand you are just trying to hedge your bets, but I you can't do that Brandon - not while I have officers on waiting lists for both.  Thats not not cool.  How would you feel if you were desperately waiting to get on course while someone at another unit was dithering about whether or not they were going to show up on course?  Please take a moment to consider this and bring your divisional system into the loop.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cbuchan3 on April 08, 2009, 18:43:41

Question: Has anyone been accepted as an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering officer?


Just a note, first year you are put into an occupational grouping and your occupation within that grouping can be changed. EME falls under Land Eng.  I applied for EME at RMC and was accepted but since my eyes are bad EME is the only occupation in Land Eng that I'm allowed to do.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: NuclearEmperor on April 09, 2009, 22:21:29
Anyone get any more acceptances? I'm still waiting for mine  ???  Does anyone know when the last round of selections is/was?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 13, 2009, 22:37:27
it really cant be much longer...i mean, the board was held almost a month ago....and if you look back to when the first board was held, and when ppl started hearing responses, it is around this time. I would imagine it follows a pretty similar time frame...

I hope it comes back soon, I have been so nervous for weeks
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on April 14, 2009, 14:34:49
i just called the recruiting center today and they said i got accepted, i will find out the details next week. i missed the first deadline so i applied to the second round of selections. i applied for Aerospace ENG at RMC  i hope that's what i got but I'm just happy i got accepted.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BMackenzie on April 14, 2009, 14:43:23
excellent!!! cograts.

that should mean that the results are in....I will have to contact my file manager in Ottawa and find out the status for myself.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: billypark on April 14, 2009, 14:49:38
Hope some of you get into papa flight 5 sqn
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on April 14, 2009, 20:07:10
WHOOT!!! got in to ROTP at my civi University (VIU Nanaimo) today. I was so excited I almost threw my phone in to some rock because I was outside. I scared the crap out of my friends when I did that  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yuna on April 14, 2009, 21:04:12
umm .. this is been a while.
BUT.. I thought I should post up here (because a lot of people have already  :) )
that I got accepted to ROTP RMC this year for logisitics

and yes, so very excited :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on April 14, 2009, 21:26:39
Mackenzie, I'm from Ottawa too, i been calling the corporal  in charge of my file everyday this week but i couldn't get through to him and i finally i just decided to call the regular number for the recruiting center and they told me i have been accepted but no details yet they said they will know by next week and that they will call me.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on April 16, 2009, 12:51:49
ok so I found out details, to got Civi U, I applied for Civi U, Air Engineering, I got Civi U, Sea Eng, the Recruiter stressed the fact that I even got an offer apparently very few ppl got offer from the second round, and almost all RMC spots were taken first round, and Air Eng was pretty much all gone, so I'm going to accept, and do my first year and request a change and if they say no, I'll have to weigh my options. good luck to the rest of you.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: NuclearEmperor on April 16, 2009, 17:27:45
Congratulations to all of you who got accepted!!  : :D  I hope I get my call soon. Finally got a hold of the officer in charge of my file. He said that I didn't get accepted yet and there are two more selection boards. Hope those who are still waiting, including myself, make it  :-\
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: J.Johnson on April 16, 2009, 18:32:33
Hi everyone. I made acceptance into the Royal Military College as an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering officer. Thank you all very much for your help. I would not have made it in without the help this forum has given me.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on April 16, 2009, 19:00:43
Hi everyone. I made acceptance into the Royal Military College as an Electrical and Mechanical Engineering officer. Thank you all very much for your help. I would not have made it in without the help this forum has given me.

Finally, someone else going to RMC for land engineering! I don't think I've seen anyone else post acceptance for that yet. Congrats!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: J.Johnson on April 16, 2009, 19:43:56
Alright! That makes two land engineers so far.
Question: Were you part of the first or the second board?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on April 16, 2009, 19:54:54
Hi guys,

Been a while since I posted as I was a little discouraged that I didn't make it to RMC for fall of 2009...BUT I went to CFRC Corner Brook yesterday, and reviewed my file with the recruiter, and he told me that I have to make a case and it has to go to Halifax to get approval for me to  rewrite the CFAT for the 3rd time....He told me I have a good chance because I improved significantly between test one and test two....He also told me that I can go to MUN in St.Johns and start the engineering program and the Canadian Forces can "pick me up".....The bottom line is that I don't give up too easy, and I'm determined to get to either RMC or become an officer in some way or another!!....Maybe one day ill see some of you either at RMC or on a course? Who knows!!....I want to eventually get in the Air Force, and become a Airfield Engineer.....

Congrats to all those that made it! And for those that didn't; like me, DONT GIVE UP YET!  :salute:

Gregory Hulan

 :army: :cdn: :yellow:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on April 16, 2009, 20:53:48
Question: Were you part of the first or the second board?

I was accepted by the first board that sat in February.
My letter of acceptance is dated Friday, Feb. 13th  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ACEC on April 16, 2009, 22:49:42
You've received a letter? :o ...I guess they haven't sent all of those letters out yet...or maybe just mine...  :-\
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on April 17, 2009, 03:13:34
Kinda off topic but.
Any one here from Vancouver Island?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on April 17, 2009, 14:05:20
ok so i just found out that my recruiting center thought i haven't even started university, and chose to offer me Sea Eng, but im just finishing up first year aerospace eng, i applied for air eng, i hope they take that into account and reconsider, i dont know what to do with my offer should i reject it and hope it get air eng or should i accept it and then apply for occupations reassignment to air eng.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on April 17, 2009, 14:58:16
You've received a letter?

The letter came late March and I live in Ontario not far from Kingston.
Your out in NS so that may be why you haven't recieved it yet.
I don't have it with me at the moment, but I believe it was mailed from Borden, ON.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bms on April 17, 2009, 15:50:54
 I've recieved my letter and I live in NL.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: [RICE] on April 17, 2009, 19:37:21
I got the call yesterday, got accepted to CivU, for Armoured.  ;D (finishing my 1st year at uOttawa right now)

Apparently I'm not doing any training this summer, unfortunately.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Chet on April 17, 2009, 20:24:47
Quote
Kinda off topic but.
Any one here from Vancouver Island?

Yep, I'm from Nanaimo.  Attending Uvic now.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Barts on April 17, 2009, 21:55:25
Kinda off topic but.
Any one here from Vancouver Island?

I'm from Saltspring (close enough?),  at UVic as well
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: J.Johnson on April 18, 2009, 01:34:05
I live in Nova Scotia as well and I haven't received confirmation by mail either. Not to worry, it will come soon. I found out I made it by contacting my file manager.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MKO on April 18, 2009, 11:58:30
Just a short note to say congratulations to everyone that has been picked up in the first and second rounds, and to say that regardless of whether or not you have been selected for ROTP (whether at a military college or for subsidisation at one of the civilian universities) or if you have not been selected in the competition, you will receive both a call and a letter.

For those of you who have not been selected and are still committed to a military career, there are other options to ROTP and I sincerely hope that you will have a look at them.

My best wishes to you all,
MKO
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on April 20, 2009, 02:57:53
I'm from Victoria going to RMC in the fall.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on April 20, 2009, 10:29:51
Hey, I got offered ROTP Naval Engineering, But I couldn't accept, I applied fir Air Eng, Aviation has always been a passion, I cant go back on it, I know other people would love to been have offered ROTP I think its more important that you are happy with your job so that you become an effective member of the CF.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on April 20, 2009, 10:40:01
Hey, I got offered ROTP Naval Engineering, But I couldn't accept, I applied fir Air Eng, Aviation has always been a passion, I cant go back on it, I know other people would love to been have offered ROTP I think its more important that you are happy with your job so that you become an effective member of the CF.

You do realize that you are not locked into Naval Engineering as your final occupation.  After your first year of ROTP, I believe, they have a closer look at what occupation you may go into.  Perhaps you should have researched that possibility, as I believe it has been stated several times on this site. 

It is, however, very kind of you to offer up a position for someone who didn't make the original cut.

Good Luck in your endeavors.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on April 20, 2009, 14:08:04
You do realize that you are not locked into Naval Engineering as your final occupation.  After your first year of ROTP, I believe, they have a closer look at what occupation you may go into.  Perhaps you should have researched that possibility, as I believe it has been stated several times on this site. 

It is, however, very kind of you to offer up a position for someone who didn't make the original cut.

Good Luck in your endeavors.

Not to disagree, but it is also important to note that you are not guaranteed to be able to switch and considering the amount of air engineers who got sea engineering and the fact that the Navy is dying for lack of engineers i would hazard to guess that not all of you will be able to switch.

P.S. You may want to look into marine engineering, it may not be as glamorous as on the air side but I can tell from first hand experience that you will get to involve youself with first-class people.  And the time you spend at sea is minimal compared to other Navy trades if you are worried about that.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: RecceO on April 20, 2009, 15:19:40
Its a competitive process. Everyone reapplies for a trade, no matter the grouping they were accepted for. Then you compete for the spots through your file and interview process. Those who have been accepted for what they want may get the shaft in the end. Since the process for this year isn't done yet, no one really knows how it will turn out. It is easier to switch trades during your first year of ROTP but you are also not guaranteed anything. Also, those who are at RMC do come around to other jobs after their eyes are opened. I know of a couple who were accepted for marine engineering instead of air engineering, but are really starting to like the sound of the trade.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: J.Johnson on April 20, 2009, 18:42:40
I have a Question: Is it true that most of the RMC candidates were selected during the first review board? It seems as though a lot of people who were selected during the second board were given acceptance offers, but did not make RMC. Is there anyone out there who got their file sent in a little late, yet still received an acceptance offer into RMC?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on April 21, 2009, 14:03:58
Called the CFRC today and he said that I was lloking at going to RMC in September if I don't go on Basic Training.  Anyone else been told this?  I thought the date as around August 12.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on April 21, 2009, 21:02:36
Nope, I didn't hear anything like that. I was told mid-August, approx. the 12th.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on April 21, 2009, 23:33:27
yea i researched it, i took a while to decide, and because the navy is in need of engineers, they said it is highly unlikely they will let me switch.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Mattrrk on April 24, 2009, 21:35:28
Hi everyone,

Just thought I would give my input on the subject. I also have accepted my offer to RMC, for Bachelor of Engineering. CELE (Computer and Electronics Engineer) is the job I was accepted for. I am from NS and I have not received my letter yet, but I have accepted my "official offer" stating that I was accepted to RMC for 4 years subsidized. All I know to date is that everyone will be flown to RMC before August 12-13th for the two week intro camp. Then FYOP starts in September. I also know that I have enrollment ceremony and administration in the beginning of July.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MKO on April 24, 2009, 22:42:34
Just a couple of points based on some comments recently:

a. your offer this year is for an occupational grouping, not a specific branch.  Next year you will have the opportunity to get more information on all the occupations (and for us to get to know you a bit better as well) and then update your choices and you will have the opportunity to indicate options outside your grouping if you wish.  After your first academic year is complete, you will compete for occupations according to your updated choices based on updated military assessments and academic results.  You will be competed in your choices; if you are unsuccessful for them, you will be assigned within your grouping, or possibly outside it if you have fared particularly poorly.  Then you will have to decide whether to accept and carry on in your assigned occupation or leave the CF before the first day of your second year of classes in order to avoid repayment of your first year of subsidisation (pay and benefits).

b. in the second selection board, both those who had been selected ROTP but not originally offered ROTP/RMC or ROTP/RMCSJ plus those that were only in the second round selected for ROTP, were considered by the Colleges.  There were a number of candidates that only appeared in the second round that were selected by a military college.

For those of you who are still weighing your options on the offer you have received, don't forget that the deadline for response to the CFRC comes up next week!

Have a good weekend

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Mattrrk on April 27, 2009, 20:54:13
Has anyone received a letter of confirmation from RMC that live in Nova Scotia?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on April 28, 2009, 23:13:59
Just a reminder, for any folks who have been accepted to RMC for Fall 2009, there is a Facebook group that would be useful for networking. Search under "Royal Military College Class of 2013" and request acceptance. The group has a fair size and is continuing to grow, and we would be happy to have you join.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Charron on April 29, 2009, 21:44:14
I'm currently 16 years old, in the cadets and I love it. Later on, I want to become a video game programmer but I don't know if going to concordia university or RMC would be better for me. Concordia has a good computer science course and RMC has computer science too but I really want to experience RMC and concordia would probably be a better choice for my career path. I can't decide where I should go. I'd like to know which university you would go to if you were in my position.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on April 29, 2009, 21:58:03
Ultimately the decision is up to you, but personally I wouldn't pass up RMC.
Not only is it a completely a unique experience, but it is aligned with preparing your
for your future in the military. I've been excepted there and I am going this fall; however, you should get the opinion of others who have attended RMC and can give you a better idea of life there. Many think
highly of it, but there are also those who strongly disliked it. Look at the pros and cons carefully.
There are a number of threads on this site that already have peoples input on their experience there;
Search them and read..
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Quag on April 29, 2009, 22:07:43
I'm currently 16 years old, in the cadets and I love it. Later on, I want to become a video game programmer but I don't know if going to concordia university or RMC would be better for me. Concordia has a good computer science course and RMC has computer science too but I really want to experience RMC and concordia would probably be a better choice for my career path. I can't decide where I should go. I'd like to know which university you would go to if you were in my position.

Like Radius said, there are pros and cons to each.

Bigger question is, if you want to be a video game programmer, you should pursue a civilian career.  There are no games in the military.  Unless of course you be a civilian programmer for the VBS with Calian or whomever runs that.

Frankly put, I will close with this (likely to stir up some controversy)... I went to civy u over RMC (turned down RMC twice).  I have a plethora of friends and colleagues that went to RMC and their experiences of university life and all that goes with it were much different than mine.  Not saying in a better or worse way.  Just different.  Don't forget, at RMC, you follow a schedule and have supervisors.  An advantage to this is your studies will be better this way ;D

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: name on April 29, 2009, 22:18:12
You have several options actually.

1) ROTP (full time regular force): this is for aspiring CF officers. Almost everything's paid for but you will need to serve for a certain amount of years in the force before you can go back to civilian life and become a programmer.

2) RETP (part time reserve force): Only 15 students each year under this plan. You need to pay for tuition and must be part of reserve.

3) Apply for a civilian university and join the reserve.

In my opinion I think going civi U would be the best out of all options if you want to become a video game programmer. If you take option 1, you'd have to postpone your plan until after your term is over. Option 2 would be nice to just experience RMC with no obligations*, but only a few lucky candidates can get in each year. With option 3, you get to do your dream job and experience military life on a part time basis.


My major is computer science as well. If it's a good CS program, you'll learn more than just programming...like discrete math, statistic, networks, algorithm theory, memory management, software engineering, etc. You may find that not everything you learn in university will give you the experience needed to find a job, so co-op would be a good choice as well. Or just get a diploma at a good college, it's cheaper and allows you to focus your learning.


*obligations: I don't mean it in a bad way, just that serving full time will conflict with your dream job. Who knows, maybe going ROTP may convince you to stay in the force!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on April 29, 2009, 22:26:02
...but it is aligned with preparing your
for your future in the military.

No, not necessarilly.

To the OP, each has its advantages and disadvantages. If you're more the self-directed type (like me), I advise civvie-u. If you like being directed, I advise RMC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on April 29, 2009, 22:31:50
As the above posters have mentioned, there are other ways to experience the military. Another thing I should have added and nobody has yet is that you can leave RMC anytime during your first year duty free. I thought you should be aware of that since it can be very difficult to get into RMC so if you did manage to get in, you may want to just try it and see if you like it. One year isn't all that long and you'll know if it is for you or not for sure. The experience can't hurt.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: b_raakesh on April 30, 2009, 18:52:31
when is the 3rd round of selection
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on May 01, 2009, 23:45:25
Has anyone received a letter of confirmation from RMC that live in Nova Scotia?

I have not received an ROTP acceptance letter and I am in Nova Scotia.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Mattrrk on May 02, 2009, 00:05:07
Alright, well at least I am not the only one. But you have accepted your offer? Because I accepted mine over the phone with a cpl at the CFRC. I also called him asking when letter would come and he said end of may even though people in ontario and NFLD already have theirs.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on May 02, 2009, 19:40:29
Don't worry they will come. Mine just came the mail the other day... and that was in Alberta and now I have to have it forwarded to my current address in Quebec.  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: army RN (in training) on May 25, 2009, 02:24:35
I am slightly confused as to what is going to happen this summer. I have been accepted to ROTP for a BScNursing. I was told that I would be enrolled July 16 and report Aug 2nd in St Jean. The CFLRS website states that civi U students report Aug 9, while everyone else here says they don't see St Jean till next summer (2010). I was hoping someone could possibly clarify (I know that no one knows for sure) If I will be going to St Jean Aug 2 or 9 and what I am to expect for this summer when and if I do report to St Jean. Will it be the first 2 or 3 weeks of BMOQ or is it just come and learn about the army and paper work?

Thanks  :yellow: :cdn: :yellow:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on May 25, 2009, 08:54:15
I am slightly confused as to what is going to happen this summer. I have been accepted to ROTP for a BScNursing. I was told that I would be enrolled July 16 and report Aug 2nd in St Jean. The CFLRS website states that civi U students report Aug 9, while everyone else here says they don't see St Jean till next summer (2010). I was hoping someone could possibly clarify (I know that no one knows for sure) If I will be going to St Jean Aug 2 or 9 and what I am to expect for this summer when and if I do report to St Jean. Will it be the first 2 or 3 weeks of BMOQ or is it just come and learn about the army and paper work?

Thanks  :yellow: :cdn: :yellow:

First off:  Don't jump the gun and don't speculate.  Don't worry about what you may read on this or any other website.  What you do is wait and READ what is on your Message after you are enrolled.  That will clarify all doubts and questions you have. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on May 27, 2009, 01:03:41
I am slightly confused as to what is going to happen this summer. I have been accepted to ROTP for a BScNursing. I was told that I would be enrolled July 16 and report Aug 2nd in St Jean. The CFLRS website states that civi U students report Aug 9, while everyone else here says they don't see St Jean till next summer (2010). I was hoping someone could possibly clarify (I know that no one knows for sure) If I will be going to St Jean Aug 2 or 9 and what I am to expect for this summer when and if I do report to St Jean. Will it be the first 2 or 3 weeks of BMOQ or is it just come and learn about the army and paper work?

Thanks  :yellow: :cdn: :yellow:

You should be getting, in the very near future, a copy of a msg that describes where you're going, where to report etc. Don't go by what people post here re: dates and such, instead make your plans by what the official website says (i.e. if it says civvie-u students are reporting this summer on Aug 9th then be prepared for that) and then sit tight and wait for your msg. Then you'll get the definitive word on where you're going and when.

Don't stress, if you still have questions like the one you just asked that you can't wait to have answered address them to the recruiting centre and not here.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on May 28, 2009, 12:16:51
CFRC called me just now:

They offered me RMC if I wanted to switch from my CivvieU (I guess since I had RMC 1st originally). So I am guessing someone switched from RMC to a CivvieU. Turned it down with a thank-you though. Since I've started setting up plans for Halifax where my University is.

So if someone hasn't gotten in, there may be a slight chance still :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on June 03, 2009, 19:16:56
Silly question but is any one still waiting for the paper work that was suppose to come sometime in May?
Not being impatient just wondering, since from what I have been told the military can be slow with paper work at times.
And my grad counselor keeps on hounding me for evidence of my post high-school plans, because apparently they need to send some type of form to the Ministry of Education some time soon. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Sareon on June 08, 2009, 00:39:40
I'm currently 16 years old, in the cadets and I love it. Later on, I want to become a video game programmer but I don't know if going to concordia university or RMC would be better for me. Concordia has a good computer science course and RMC has computer science too but I really want to experience RMC and concordia would probably be a better choice for my career path. I can't decide where I should go. I'd like to know which university you would go to if you were in my position.

Computer/Computing Science is not Game Programming.  I am studying CS at SFU through Civvy U ROTP.  If you want to do game programming think of going to a technical college.  What you will learn in CS is applications of math. 

Also there is no "game programming" in the CF but I personally, I would like to work on the Canadian Manoeuvre Training Centre at CFB Wainwright.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on June 13, 2009, 22:52:37
Silly question but is any one still waiting for the paper work that was suppose to come sometime in May?
Not being impatient just wondering, since from what I have been told the military can be slow with paper work at times.
And my grad counselor keeps on hounding me for evidence of my post high-school plans, because apparently they need to send some type of form to the Ministry of Education some time soon.

I received mine on the 9th I believe. Are you still waiting?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on June 15, 2009, 02:46:17
Well this is actually puzzling me right now, because I got something on the 7th
Is the paper work they ment that Welcome to ROTP, with all the stuff for news paper, school award.

I would assume there is more formal paper work with dates(Swearing in, the thing in St-jean for 2 weeks if it is happening) on it and such coming too?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: AD on June 15, 2009, 18:45:44
Hey All,

As a 4th year ROTP civi U student who was rejected from RMC (Math grades stank) I'd like to add my 2 cents.  Both are great in their own ways, but I can really only speak for civi U.

Going to a civilian university has allowed me to experience the life of a university student. I pay rent, groceries, phone, cable, gas, hydro, etc and I am responsible for ensuring my financial life is in order (which isn't always easy to do on ocdt pay). Going to a civilian university has allowed me to start growing up! Sort of.

The academic life at a civi U is also under your direct control. I take the courses I want, as long as I take the required courses for my degree program, the military gives me full control. The professors also give you full control of your studies. Go to class or don't go to class. They don't care who you are or what you want to do, they will fail you if you don't complete their course requirements.

You'll also be responsible for your own physical fitness! University gym memberships run pretty cheap, and you can claim it...or so I have just been informed. There are also intramural sports and fitness classes that are relatively inexpensive.

In sum, at RMC, you have a schedule which you must follow. In civi U, you are responsible for making that schedule and following it. It's all up to you in the end, which ever route you choose, the destination is the same.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Wiskers on June 16, 2009, 21:15:00
Hey Radius, I'll see you at the IAP this summer hopefully.
I, like Allie'd forces, was accepted as a civvi U student, but unlike him my math grades (or any grades for that matter) didn't stink. But I was still not accepted to the actual campus at Kingston, and I really want to go, for the reasons opposite that of Allie'd forces. Reasons like no financial worries, kept busy with a full schedule, Morning PT and inspections. I also know that there are others who would like to go to a civvi U for the very pertinent reasons again Allie'd forces explained, and not to Kingston.

My point being, for those of you deciding on where to go, is to commit to it, because if you find yourself not enjoying it, remember that there are others who direly want to be in your position.
Please don't take this wrongly, I am very honoured to get accepted at all because the competition was really stiff this year.
Just my 2 cents to those who I may work with in the future, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: AD on June 17, 2009, 15:01:05
I hope you didn't take my post as an indication that I did not desperately want to go to RMC, Whiskers_MLD. Like you, the prospect of a 24/7 military life excited me. However, I was rejected, it sucked, but I took what they offered me and I'm very happy I did.

The experiences are different, yes, but the end goal is the same; becoming an officer in the CF.

If you're lucky enough to choose between the two options, it all depends on what best suits you. Like constant direction? RMC is the way to go. Are you motivated enough to follow your own direction? Civi U is for you!
Of course, both offer elements of both.
And at RMC you never have to deal with peace protestors trying to take your poppy on Remembrance day either!

Just as a side note: you have until the first day of your 2nd year in school to release from the CF without any financial obligation.

Whiskers_MLD, when are you on IAP? (Send PM)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on June 18, 2009, 17:39:52
Whoot
Got the Stuff Yesterday!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on June 19, 2009, 15:32:10
Me too!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Thanks on June 28, 2009, 00:39:18
I wonder what is the next step of a processing after confirming by telephone to go to ROTP at RMCC or when will be enrollment ceremony at local CFRC before going there.

My son graduated high school at this month a few days ago  and then we do not have any information from the local about it further "what the next is for preparing to leave home to RMCC coming on mid of August".  We would much appreciate it if anyone have an information to tell or shed a light .
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Radius on June 28, 2009, 14:48:28
I wonder what is the next step of a processing after confirming by telephone to go to ROTP at RMCC or when will be enrollment ceremony at local CFRC before going there.

You should be contacted shortly on what is happening next. If you have questions, call your CFRC. If your wondering what is happening next, your son will likely have a pre-enrollment briefing followed soon after by the enrollment ceremony itself. Then off to RMC in August.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on July 07, 2009, 22:45:34
Hey all, have not been on forums lately due to moving and being busy.

Finished my enrollment stuff today, signed all the final papers and got my rank and other information and got put on LWOP until Aug 03 :) My enrollment ceremony (Halifax CFRC) is in 10 days.. wee :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on July 08, 2009, 00:03:55
Yeah, about the same here in Ottawa. LWOP varies but mine is until Aug 4th. Paperwork was done yesterday and enrollment is this Friday.

Congrats.  :cdn:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on July 08, 2009, 00:37:12
Hmm I get to fill out my paper work on the day of my enrollment, must be a distance thing (apprx 150 km from the CFRC with my file)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Quag on July 08, 2009, 15:45:17
for the reasons opposite that of Allie'd forces. Reasons like no financial worries, kept busy with a full schedule, Morning PT and inspections.

Just my own observation but I think it is for the best that you ended up going to Civilian University.

You sound like you need maturing if you require the "babysitting" services of the CF.  Please don't take this the wrong way, but you need to age like a good cheddar before you will ever be competent in leading men.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on July 08, 2009, 23:03:46
Just my own observation but I think it is for the best that you ended up going to Civilian University.

You sound like you need maturing if you require the "babysitting" services of the CF.  Please don't take this the wrong way, but you need to age like a good cheddar before you will ever be competent in leading men.

Hahaha.

Civvie-u is better suited to the prospective officer who is more self-directed...RMC is better suited to those who require 'babysitting' (your words, not mine).


As for the 'aging like good chedder' comment, allow me to share a comment made by an officer faaaaaaaaaaar superior in rank and experience then any poster here. He described RMC as an establishment that took young officers in at 18...kicked them out at 22 with absolutally no advancement in social skils or maturity (he called it 'social retardation').

Some food for thought.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on July 09, 2009, 00:38:31
Hahaha.

Civvie-u is better suited to the prospective officer who is more self-directed...RMC is better suited to those who require 'babysitting' (your words, not mine).


As for the 'aging like good chedder' comment, allow me to share a comment made by an officer faaaaaaaaaaar superior in rank and experience then any poster here. He described RMC as an establishment that took young officers in at 18...kicked them out at 22 with absolutally no advancement in social skils or maturity (he called it 'social retardation').

Some food for thought.

That is my view also. Not trying to bash RMC in any way but what drove me to choose Civvie-U over RMC (Yes I was offered both at certain points) was the more independent living and learning how to take care of myself better on my own.. etc etc..
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: NO Hopeful on July 15, 2009, 11:55:00
I am applying for ROTP for 2010-2011 school year.  I am also going to civi U as Nursing is not offered at RMC.  I have one year of college which was a certificate program for pre-health sciences.  I don't know if I am wrong but I was told that they would take my 90% average from my college certificate program as opposed to my 75% in highschool.  Can someone maybe answer this?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on July 15, 2009, 14:26:53
I am applying for ROTP for 2010-2011 school year.  I am also going to civi U as Nursing is not offered at RMC.  I have one year of college which was a certificate program for pre-health sciences.  I don't know if I am wrong but I was told that they would take my 90% average from my college certificate program as opposed to my 75% in highschool.  Can someone maybe answer this?

Have you tried asking the Recruiting Center?  I am sure they have the latest, greatest information on these Plans.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: NO Hopeful on July 15, 2009, 14:55:33
So, I was told today at my recruiting office that they take your most recent grades.  They still want the old transcripts as well but I should be in good condition as my grades went up significantly.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: albe8660 on July 17, 2009, 16:17:06
Sorry I should have been more clear there.  What I should have said is "If you were to take an additional course at civvie U it would incur an additional cost."

The fact that you are taking additional courses at civvie u and incure extra costs in one semester is not the case in this matter. Having gone through this process twice in the past I know. What happens is that if you want to take electives during school that do not aide to your completion of your degree there is no additional cost to the military, the CDA and thus the CDN tax payer. If you want to justify taking courses that do not feed directly into your degree program simply state that you are taking your core courses needed for your degree but are required to take a number of elective courses to complete the required credit hours in order to obtain your degree from your specific academic institution. If you clearly outline this to your SEM and back it up with proof from an academic counciller at your university there will be no questions asked.

On top of that may I suggest the fact that it is easier to do and ask forgiveness than it is to ask in the first place within the CDA system. The worst they are going to make you do is pay back the ~$500 cost of your one course.

And for future ref it is possible to pay for individual classes out of your own pocket in the ROTP program (fail a class and you will find that out very quickly from what I have been told).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on July 18, 2009, 00:35:00
You are required to take 5 courses per term tho...and not all degrees have that many
for example this is my first semester

ENGL 115   F09N22   UNIVERSITY WRITING AND RESEARCH   
FRCH 100   F09N02   BEGINNING FRENCH I (FORMERLY FRCH 102)   
HIST 111   F09N01   CANADIAN HISTORY BEFORE CONFED   
POLI 151   F09N01   LAW AND POLITICS IN CANADA   
PSYC 111   F09N12   CONTEMPORARY PSYCHOLOGY I

English, Politics, and Canadian history are the only required ones for a History BA for first semester of year 1
French I am taking so I can ace that Bilingual test(hopefully), and psychology I am taking because it was interesting in HS and was the only other useful course I could take first semester

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Piper on July 19, 2009, 12:57:26
The fact that you are taking additional courses at civvie u and incure extra costs in one semester is not the case in this matter. Having gone through this process twice in the past I know. What happens is that if you want to take electives during school that do not aide to your completion of your degree there is no additional cost to the military, the CDA and thus the CDN tax payer. If you want to justify taking courses that do not feed directly into your degree program simply state that you are taking your core courses needed for your degree but are required to take a number of elective courses to complete the required credit hours in order to obtain your degree from your specific academic institution. If you clearly outline this to your SEM and back it up with proof from an academic counciller at your university there will be no questions asked.

On top of that may I suggest the fact that it is easier to do and ask forgiveness than it is to ask in the first place within the CDA system. The worst they are going to make you do is pay back the ~$500 cost of your one course.

And for future ref it is possible to pay for individual classes out of your own pocket in the ROTP program (fail a class and you will find that out very quickly from what I have been told).

Huh?

Every semester I sent in my list of courses to my ULO and that was that. I didn't have to justify taking any courses that were not immediatly obvious as being part of my degree. As long as I graduated at the end of my four years with the degree I started with...I could taking basket weaving 101 if I wanted and no one would say boo.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Simian Turner on July 19, 2009, 13:21:11
Hahaha.

Civvie-u is better suited to the prospective officer who is more self-directed...RMC is better suited to those who require 'babysitting' (your words, not mine).


As for the 'aging like good chedder' comment, allow me to share a comment made by an officer faaaaaaaaaaar superior in rank and experience then any poster here. He described RMC as an establishment that took young officers in at 18...kicked them out at 22 with absolutally no advancement in social skils or maturity (he called it 'social retardation').

Some food for thought.

Piper,

There is nothing quite as telling as an non-attributed quote bolstered by a nonsense word like "faaaaaaaaaaar" from an opinionated poster with an incomplete army.ca profile - to provide "some food for thought."

Give us some profile (after many months on the site) to assist in understanding the wealth of experience from which you speak.

Perhaps your non-attributed source would be referring to USMA or West Point as in this blog site:  http://abumuqawama.blogspot.com/2009/04/shocking-news-usma-graduates-socially.html 

"I guess when you take four years (~18 to ~21 years) in which their peers are experimenting and expanding horizons and experiencing freedom and instead put kids in wool uniforms with regimented schedules, it has an effect on where they end up in comparison with their peers."    ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Strike on July 19, 2009, 13:42:54
You are required to take 5 courses per term tho...and not all degrees have that many...

Is there the option of taking an OPME as a DL option to count as one of your 5 courses per term?

Most OPMEs are covered in the RMC curriculum which means less to worry about on that front after grad.  How does civi U compare in that regard?  I doubt the same courses are available.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on July 30, 2009, 23:29:46
Little over a week until the Civvie U Orientation in St. Jean,. . should be interesting to say the least haha. Who else is going? :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on July 31, 2009, 03:29:23
ME ME!  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on July 31, 2009, 03:44:51
Kinda off topic but.
Any one here from Vancouver Island?
ya man kinda late but i live on the island in victoria


So question to everyone.......has anyone recieved an offer this late?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on July 31, 2009, 11:23:52
Do you CiviU St Jean kids have to spend a week at your ASU? I report into my ASU on Tuesday and head to RMC for the 12th.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on July 31, 2009, 11:32:47
Do you CiviU St Jean kids have to spend a week at your ASU? I report into my ASU on Tuesday and head to RMC for the 12th.

As far as i was told its if you come from far outside the city with your support base then you have to spend the week there.

Dilanger you didnt happen to be at the enrollment on the 16 did you?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on July 31, 2009, 20:53:25

Dilanger you didnt happen to be at the enrollment on the 16 did you?

No......yesterday actually I Just got my call of acceptence to the RMC Rotp.....Pilot...Air ops Yesterday......I'm so happy ever since april i've been under the impression that i was not selected.....but There is a bit of confusion...I'm selected for ROTP senior but it says my first year is at RMC st. jean.....which is confusing them becuase we are under the impression that it isonly from the Jr. guys who do the prep year... So im supposed to go down to the CFRC Victoria on tuesday since monday is B.C day.....to get all my info.... Has anyone else gotten accepted this late..... when i went down today they said there were a few people who got this rlly late call...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on August 06, 2009, 15:29:15
ME ME!  ;D

Very cool CEEBEE! I am OCdt Marshall , but who knows how many Marshall's there may be haha. Should be an interesting time though.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on August 08, 2009, 15:43:32
RMC Kingston On Tuesday!

How exciting was every ones in-clearance last week!:P
Also did you guys from the rest of Canada get to stay at the Officers Mess If you had to stay at the base?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DustintheWind on August 08, 2009, 15:53:30
RMC Kingston On Tuesday!

How exciting was every ones in-clearance last week!:P
Also did you guys from the rest of Canada get to stay at the Officers Mess If you had to stay at the base?

In-clearance at CFB Halifax, was, interesting. Nothing "exciting" though. haha.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Tom_Swift on August 23, 2009, 21:34:10
I'm going to be applying for both Civi U and RMC ROTP going back to pick up Calculous and redo english because of a bad time in my life that I went through. Looking to apply for BA probably Infantry w/ 80%-85% average some sports a seasonal summer job I've held for over 5 years and 200 volunteer hours. I just hope I'm competitive enough.

This summer I've dropped 20 pounds while building muscle and dropped 5 minutes off my 5k now running it in about 25. Would like to get it sub 20 in the next half year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on August 27, 2009, 12:31:38
Soooo the Recruit "camp" in RMC was rather interesting, can now check off on my list of things to do, stay in a federally condemned building for 2 weeks.
Met some interesting people from all over Canada too which was cool.

Bravo Flight kicked other flights asses on inspections  :threat:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on August 27, 2009, 13:18:11
I am currently recovering from the Champlague and Death by Powerpoint.

Echo Flight was so good we got donuts.  8)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dbouls on August 27, 2009, 13:54:03
Delta got jerked around the most, but we definitely had the most fun. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: halfro on August 28, 2009, 14:29:35
I am currently recovering from the Champlague and Death by Powerpoint.

Echo Flight was so good we got donuts.  8)

Hey Heff,  Echo flight as well.  I wonder how Malhan and Sadler are feeling about their choice to stay at RMC right now.   ;D I think they will do fine.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on August 28, 2009, 16:19:21
They were both almost in tears as my bus left, but I'm sure they're doing fine.

I've heard of some of the things the RMC'ers are doing during Delta Week and I must admit I'm a tadbit jealous of S & M.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on August 28, 2009, 18:35:51
What no Alpha, Bravo or Charlie flight on here?

Dammit

God was I happy to be on that first bud, miss my flight tho  :(
 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tumbling_dice on August 28, 2009, 21:29:33
Hotel Flight, still here, getting owned. Although its toned down a bit in anticipation of FYOP.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on September 02, 2009, 13:22:23
Good luck to everyone applying! I recently passed CAPSS and now I'm just waiting for an offer which seems so far away. Just a couple questions, I've read some contradicting posts that state that the degree you are going for doesn't matter, but then I've also read posts where it says the degree matters a lot. So my question is... would my Kinesiology degree help or hinder my chances of getting an Air Ops offer or does it not matter as long as it's a degree?

Congrats on losing the 20 lbs and cutting your time down on the 5k run Tom! That's a big accomplishment considering it's only over one summer. I'm concentrating right now on lowering my 2.4 km/1.5 m run to below ten minutes (my goal is to get to 9 minutes). Doing a lot of HIIT (high intensity interval training). Helps your speed and it's one of the best ways to tone up. Then you will run well...but look better haha :P. But look it up if you haven't heard of it before, I highly recommend it to improve your time further.

Lastly, I'm just wondering who else is applying for Pilot? Maybe we could trade PMs? Anyways I better get going.
Cheers.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: hulan on September 15, 2009, 23:14:33
Hello all:

I am also applying for ROTP 2010-11.... I tried to get in last year but didnt get an acceptable CFAT score; the recruiter told me that I was so close to meeting the mark.... So, now I'm going to re-write it again... Im applying for Civy U as my 1st choice for NSAC w/Dalhousie -- 2yrs at NSAC, and the remanding 2yrs at Dal for an Engineering Degree.... I chose Air-Force with number one occupation choice as Construction Engineer, 2nd was Areospace Control, and the 3rd Logistics officer.... my 2nd and 3rd choice of Schools was CMR- St.Jean for the prep year, and RMC- Kingston.....

When I got the application the other day, the recruiter gave me the new info on the Canadian Forces Military Education plans, and it said that those selected, complete BOT in July, and then go to University the following September... Just seems kinda rushed dont you think? Get straight out of Basic, and then go to the class room?

I wish everyone the best with their applications!!

Greg
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on September 16, 2009, 15:31:56
So hows every ones first weeks going?

(French class is awesome very nice....ummm......classmates  ;) )
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: NO Hopeful on September 23, 2009, 14:38:52
I was also told that Officer Training for civvy-U was in July but it is not the full 14 weeks.  I guess we finish the rest of BOT the next summer.  A question I should of asked them.  I like the idea though of going straight from basic to the classroom, keeps the adrenaline flowing!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: army RN (in training) on October 06, 2009, 00:16:20
Soooo the Recruit "camp" in RMC was rather interesting, can now check off on my list of things to do, stay in a federally condemned building for 2 weeks.
Met some interesting people from all over Canada too which was cool.

Bravo Flight kicked other flights asses on inspections  :threat:

Yah but Charlie flight had the most fun
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on October 06, 2009, 00:23:46
haha We had our SEM meeting today and we where reminiscing with Formosa and Walker about the good times in Kingston :P
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: army RN (in training) on October 06, 2009, 00:32:24
yah Charlie flights highlight I would think would be the time we thought we were going to get **** but instead we got cake... Good times can't wait for BMOQ next summer...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on October 06, 2009, 03:37:26
Yah you got our damm hopes up that you might get in to trouble too, I was full of glee when i saw out of the corner of my eye what looked like you getting in trouble, but alas unlike standing at attention and mark time that night for us, that was a short lived hope.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mathabos on October 29, 2009, 21:19:14
I have recently applied for Civi Rotp as a Log officer. I am in my second year in a business program which seems to go well with the job description.
I completed the CFAT, medical and interview back in september. I received a call to notify me that I was on the merit list for the pre-selection in december. I am now waitting patiently for the snow to fall and december to show up.
I have a good GPA, lots of involvement in sports and other extracurricular stuff... so im hoping to get a call and get this stress of waiting of my shoulders.

anyone know when in december the merit board meets for the decisions?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mrmat29 on November 05, 2009, 12:24:04
I have recently applied for Civi Rotp as a Log officer. I am in my second year in a business program which seems to go well with the job description.
I completed the CFAT, medical and interview back in september. I received a call to notify me that I was on the merit list for the pre-selection in december. I am now waitting patiently for the snow to fall and december to show up.
I have a good GPA, lots of involvement in sports and other extracurricular stuff... so im hoping to get a call and get this stress of waiting of my shoulders.

anyone know when in december the merit board meets for the decisions?

Hey, what GPA did you apply with? I had 3.9 and 4.0 for my first two terms at Waterloo (Electrical Engineering). I'm also hoping that i could make it on the merit list though my application was setback (CFAT on the 17th of November) because they accidentally closed my file.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mathabos on November 05, 2009, 16:22:09
Hey, what GPA did you apply with? I had 3.9 and 4.0 for my first two terms at Waterloo (Electrical Engineering). I'm also hoping that i could make it on the merit list though my application was setback (CFAT on the 17th of November) because they accidentally closed my file.

When I applied this summer my cumulative GPA was 3.00 and I was told that my grades were great (even though I don't think so).
I  am assuming you are applying as an electrical engineer. So with those marks I don't see the slightest problem. Remember it is not all about the highest GPA, you have to have stuff like sports, extra curricular activities and some volunteering. They like to hear that you were a captain of a team or organized activities.
Good luck on your aptitude test
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mrmat29 on November 05, 2009, 16:56:39
When I applied this summer my cumulative GPA was 3.00 and I was told that my grades were great (even though I don't think so).
I  am assuming you are applying as an electrical engineer. So with those marks I don't see the slightest problem. Remember it is not all about the highest GPA, you have to have stuff like sports, extra curricular activities and some volunteering. They like to hear that you were a captain of a team or organized activities.
Good luck on your aptitude test

Thanks for your response. I applied for combat engineer as #1, then e&m engineer and finally communications engineer. As for extracurricular stuff, i think my stuff is pretty solid (lots of volunteering in high school, made it to ofsaa on the swim team, basketball team, soccer team, intramurals at Waterloo) but my only leadership position was in Gr. 12 when i was leader of the math club. One last thing - did they phone you to tell you that you made the merit list?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mathabos on November 05, 2009, 18:05:19
Thanks for your response. I applied for combat engineer as #1, then e&m engineer and finally communications engineer. As for extracurricular stuff, i think my stuff is pretty solid (lots of volunteering in high school, made it to ofsaa on the swim team, basketball team, soccer team, intramurals at Waterloo) but my only leadership position was in Gr. 12 when i was leader of the math club. One last thing - did they phone you to tell you that you made the merit list?

Yes, they called me mid october to let me know I was officially on the list. That was about 3 weeks after I completed my interview.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mrmat29 on November 06, 2009, 11:42:54
Yes, they called me mid october to let me know I was officially on the list. That was about 3 weeks after I completed my interview.

I see.. thanks for the info!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: FloNightingale on December 03, 2009, 00:12:21
Hi all!
Just in case this info is useful to anybody...I was originally told by my recruiter that I would most likely not go away to training next summer, given that I were to be selected for ROTP, because I would not have a full acceptance to university by the time the March selections were made. I was told that since I would only have a conditional offer of acceptance to university at that time, I wouldn`t be eligible for enrollment or training in 2010. However, I received a call from this same recruiter today, who informed me that in fact, I am eligible for ROTP selection in March with a conditional offer of acceptance to university. I am currently completing a Pre-health sciences program at college, therefore I would be about halfway through the program in March and thus would not have an unconditional offer to university till April 2010: I have to keep my marks high. Thanks to this info, I have hope that I may go away this year, pending that I am selected for ROTP in the first place :-) It`s been a big day for me
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dion.P on December 18, 2009, 15:20:50
Hello. I am a reserve Med Tech and applied for ROTP nursing 2010-2011 (currently a 1st year student in Nursing) in the Reg Force (civi U). Just curious, who else on this forum is applying ROTP Nursing Officer?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: NO Hopeful on December 23, 2009, 14:48:25
I am currently a 1st year nursing student and I have also applied to ROTP for 2010 intake.  What school are you at?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dion.P on December 24, 2009, 23:07:42
uOttawa. Yourself?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: GoCanada on December 24, 2009, 23:58:15
Well I am brand new to this forum and used the search bar, couldn't find any related topics, and am not quite sure this is in the proper category, so sorry in advance if I misplaced this topic. Anyways here we go :christmas happy:

I was wondering if going to a Civilian University with ROTP is a better option as opposed to RMC simply for the experience. To my understanding, RMC Ocdts and Ocdts in civi U receive the exact same summer training courses, such as CAP 1, CAP 2 etc, so is there more to gain from enjoying life at a civilian university while also training hard in the summer as opposed to going through a rough schedule at RMC and not having as much freedom?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dilanger on December 25, 2009, 00:19:47
I'm at RMC however my gf is at civi U
 
1) You do same trainning over the summber however it's different.. for civi u bmoq is 15 weeks and if your from RMC it's 11 or maybe even less.
2) RMC you have military trainning every week, not only that but alot of your university courses are geared towords military application even english class..
3) It's not a strech to say that RMC grades rank up faster
4) you Have so much fun at rmc, I'm home for xmas right now and I already miss it.
5) personally i didn't join the military to only train during a few months in the summer, rmc builds leadership
6) If a normal life is what you want choose civi u, but If you want to gain the most military expeirence then choose RMC
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MJP on December 25, 2009, 01:42:27
I am guessing that spelling, proper writing skills and grammar are not part of the overall curriculum ;)

There are a few hotly debated threads on the subject already, I think if you read through the RMC thread that is stickied, there is quite an discussion on the matter.

While I am sure Dilanger is quite pleased with his choice, the truth is that going either route conveys no special privileges nor any hindrance to one's career or learning of military subjects.  You have to do your research and choose what is best for you.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: GoCanada on December 25, 2009, 18:25:18
Ok, I will check out the stickies, sorry about that. Thank you both for your input as well. So to clarify things, if I choose to go to a civilian university with ROTP I will still have a comparable knowledge of military subjects+training in comparison with RMC cadets?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on December 26, 2009, 02:53:13
It's been awhile and perhaps things have changed, but I don't recall being given a choice.  I applied for ROTP and was asked for my preferences.  However, in the end, I was then told which institution I would be attending.  It is also worth noting that sometimes people who start BMQ thinking they will be going to civvy U upon completion, end up being told before the end of the course that things have changed...

NB:  Even if you really want to go to RMC, you still need to apply to a few civilian schools in case you are accepted to ROTP, but not to RMC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on December 26, 2009, 04:22:58
I'm at RMC however my gf is at civi U
 
1) You do same trainning over the summber however it's different.. for civi u bmoq is 15 weeks and if your from RMC it's 11 or maybe even less.
2) RMC you have military trainning every week, not only that but alot of your university courses are geared towords military application even english class..
3) It's not a strech to say that RMC grades rank up faster
4) you Have so much fun at rmc, I'm home for xmas right now and I already miss it.
5) personally i didn't join the military to only train during a few months in the summer, rmc builds leadership
6) If a normal life is what you want choose civi u, but If you want to gain the most military expeirence then choose RMC

7) At CivU you have to be a big boy/big girl and take care of yourself. ie. Meals, housing, etc. ;)

8) Only RMC students actually believe #3. For them it justifies the completly lack of attractive women at RMC.

9) RMC doesn't build leadshership; it aids in the building of leadership. Leadership abilitlity lies with the member. There are plenty of RMC grads (and CivUs) who couldn't lead a dog on a leash.

In my case I wanted RMC, but got sent to CivU(and later realized it was probably because they evaluated my profile with my old transcript). That being said, I’m having an awesome time a uOttawa… being a bit older than most of the ROTPs the independence factor is a huge plus. There’s pros and cons to them both… most of them are quite obvious, and in the end you may or may not have the choice of where you get to go. Good Luck.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: montana on December 26, 2009, 04:48:17
if I choose to go to a civilian university with ROTP I will still have a comparable knowledge of military subjects+training in comparison with RMC cadets?

At the end of the day you CAN have the same military knowledge by the time you are done university.
The difference is that if you go to a civilian university it is up to you to acquire that knowledge through distance education (google OPME), volunteering with a unit, etc if you want. You don't have to do so and there will not be anyone forcing you to do so.

It is all up to you if you can take care of yourself and motivate yourself to stay in shape, improve your knowledge and do so on your own I would suggest going to a civilian university and enjoying your time.

Otherwise maybe RMC would be a better choice exceptionally if you are lacking motivation and would prefer to go to a school with a smaller population (and with no girls  ;D).

4 years ago I decided to go the civi way and it was the best decision of my life of course this is my opinion and no matter what you chose you will enjoy your time.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: GoCanada on December 26, 2009, 14:57:08
Hmm thanks alot for your answers guys, I have applied to 3 civilian universities as well as RMC, so guess i'll just have to wait for them to answer to make my choice! :D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: haidermaan on December 31, 2009, 17:03:39
I have been trying to understand how civ rotp works but i dont think i quiet understand to my own satisfaction. I want to apply for Civ Rotp im in grade 12.   Can someone understand how it will happen from start to end.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on December 31, 2009, 17:09:53
Instead, why don't you read on the subject, come up with questions on what you don't understand?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: haidermaan on December 31, 2009, 17:13:19
im sorry i worded that wrong, it came out wrong.
My question was how are u selected for Civ rotp im in grade 12 and i wanna apply to civ rotp how am i selected? do i have to have a acceptance from a university cause thats what i think and knw so far. correct me if i am wrong
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on December 31, 2009, 17:43:26
im sorry i worded that wrong, it came out wrong.
My question was how are u selected for Civ rotp im in grade 12 and i wanna apply to civ rotp how am i selected? do i have to have a acceptance from a university cause thats what i think and knw so far. correct me if i am wrong

I might suggest that if you want to get into any institution of higher learning, including ROTP, you might want to improve your grammar, spelling, and sentence structure.  You want to at the very least appear to be educated if you want to apply.

If you are offended by the last two sentences, please read the Site Guidelines as to what we expect of the members on this site.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: derael on December 31, 2009, 18:05:06
I'm sure your local Canadian Forces Recruiting Center (CFRC) can answer your questions as they've heard them all before. Heck you can even call them. How convenient is that!?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Arcany on December 31, 2009, 19:46:11
Fill out the forms from the CFRC (which is the CF form and the RMC questionnaire), apply for the universities you want to go for, and then on the questionnaire, you want to make sure you have your civilian university as your first choice. Then, at the very end of the application, they're going to make you write an essay for the reasons as to why you would like to attend your first choice. They'll read it and be like, oh so this guy wants to go for Civi-U under the ROTP. After that, you just wait and hope you get in.... having done the medical, interview and the CFAT successfully of course.

Filling out the forms from the CFRC isn't enough because you also have to apply for the civilian universities you would like to go to. You need the acceptance from the civilian universities in order for the ROTP plan to work. Once the ROTP accepts you, they'll pay for the university you get accepted into.

PM me if you have any questions.

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 123nil456 on January 03, 2010, 06:29:12
At the end of the day you CAN have the same military knowledge by the time you are done university.
The difference is that if you go to a civilian university it is up to you to acquire that knowledge through distance education (google OPME), volunteering with a unit, etc if you want. You don't have to do so and there will not be anyone forcing you to do so.

Honestly Really good idea!
I knew some of the CPl's at a local unit(C Scot R) and asked them, and they told me to come in and talk to the CO('s), and I have learned so much already to prepare me for BMOQ as the large majority of people left right now, because of Afghanistan and Op. Podium, are untrained Pte.'s they have me take part in the lessons(Nav, C7, patrol,first aid) & of course PT! :D. When not doing that, I help the Officers and senior NCO's with a large verity of tasks.
Over all an Excellent experience, would recommend!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SocialyDistorted on February 07, 2010, 19:32:10
As the title says, I got an e-mail saying I've been rejected from ROTP based on academic performance (horrid high school average due to daddy issues and me being lazy). Now, I'm doing exceptionally well in grade 12 (over 84 avg.) and I'm rethinking my options. I did apply to other universities and am confident I'll be accepted to all of them except queen's. Now I'm debating between going back to high school for another semester so I can get Chemistry and Physics credits since they are prerequisites for entry to RMC, or going to university and re-applying to ROTP and RMC next year.

Either way, I will be re-applying to ROTP. I want this BADLY, and I'm willing to go back to High School if it means being more competitive next year. If it matters, I applied for MARS, and Pilot, and will be applying to them next year.

My question is posed to anyone really, mainly those in ROTP or Recruiters, should I go back to High School and make myself more competitive by taking those courses and raising my overall average (get some extra community service as well i guess) or should I just go to university and re-apply from there?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Otis on February 07, 2010, 20:18:51
If you can get in to University this year, and can afford it, I recommend going to university and re-applying for ROTP in September. Apply yourself, do really well, and those university marks will go a long way towards getting you accepted to the ROTP program next year.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 54low on February 07, 2010, 20:43:46
Going back to your high school for the whole semester will, in my opinion, take too long. How old are you? You should consider taking upgrade courses(Independent Leaning Courses) from Continuing Education Services(aka ALC). I had horrible grade 11 and 12 marks too so I took 4 courses from there(Grade 11 and 12 Physics, Grade 12 Chemistry and Grade 12 Geometry). I finished all of them just under a few months. It is challenging since you have to learn them all by yourself and everything will depend on your own pace. BUT, on the bright side, you can complete a course in just weeks.

Another alternative, of course, would be going to a university out of your own pocket and then re-apply next year. I'm not too sure if CF values university experience(academics) higher than upgraded high-school courses but it makes sense.

By the way, independent learning courses are I think $80/course.

Good Luck :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SocialyDistorted on February 07, 2010, 20:47:28
Thanks for the replies guys. Otis, would having ~20k in loans affect my application to ROTP? And gwones, I'm 17 until April. I'll look into Cont. Ed
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 54low on February 07, 2010, 20:50:41
Thanks for the replies guys. Otis, would having ~20k in loans affect my application to ROTP? And gwones, I'm 17 until April. I'll look into Cont. Ed

Student loans? For me it didn't.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on February 07, 2010, 23:19:31
Thanks for the replies guys. Otis, would having ~20k in loans affect my application to ROTP? And gwones, I'm 17 until April. I'll look into Cont. Ed

Why would you have 20k in loans after 1 year of university?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Retired FDO on February 07, 2010, 23:58:20
The CF cares very little HOW much you owe. All we care about is that you don't have any debts go to collection. If no one is beating down your door for money then it's not too bad.

Otis is correct. If you get accepted into university then go for it. The CF looks at the highest level of education. So if you have a year of university and you do well then you stand a good chance.

Good luck
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SocialyDistorted on February 08, 2010, 00:05:48
The only problem with going straight to Civvie U is that I won't have gr. 11 or 12 Physics or Chem which I beleive RMC wants as a prerequisite for Arts degrees. This would automatically put me out of the running for INT and PLT and MARS because they are only offered at RMC correct?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on February 08, 2010, 01:05:46
correct?

No.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cheeky_monkey on February 08, 2010, 01:46:10
The only problem with going straight to Civvie U is that I won't have gr. 11 or 12 Physics or Chem which I beleive RMC wants as a prerequisite for Arts degrees. This would automatically put me out of the running for INT and PLT and MARS because they are only offered at RMC correct?

I got into the Arts program at RMC - with a 75% HS average - without having the Physics or Chem pre-reqs, so those 2 courses (In my experience) had little to no effect. And I'm MARS.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SocialyDistorted on February 08, 2010, 02:03:23
I got into the Arts program at RMC - with a 75% HS average - without having the Physics or Chem pre-reqs, so those 2 courses (In my experience) had little to no effect. And I'm MARS.

Wow, I guess this year must have been really competitive or something :S

Either that or an 86 avg doesnt make up for a 65 avg last year
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: CFR FCS on February 08, 2010, 08:29:55
Your competitiveness was partially based on the high school transcripts you turned in with your application. Likely your Grade 11 marks right? Once you get your Grade 12 first semester marks take them into the recruiting centre and ask fro your score to be recalculated.

I suspect you were told you were not competitive just for pilot but your MARS application should still be ok? You should still be in the running for MARS. Call an talk to an Military Career Counselor (MCC) to make sure.

CFR FCS
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SocialyDistorted on February 08, 2010, 08:34:10
Your competitiveness was partially based on the high school transcripts you turned in with your application. Likely your Grade 11 marks right? Once you get your Grade 12 first semester marks take them into the recruiting centre and ask fro your score to be recalculated.

I suspect you were told you were not competitive just for pilot but your MARS application should still be ok? You should still be in the running for MARS. Call an talk to an Military Career Counselor (MCC) to make sure.

CFR FCS

Will do, but it was a MCC that said I was ineligible for ROTP, not just Pilot.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cheeky_monkey on February 08, 2010, 09:22:06
Wow, I guess this year must have been really competitive or something :S

Either that or an 86 avg doesnt make up for a 65 avg last year

One thing that you have to understand about ROTP is that it varies like the Bay of Fundy, from year to year. Sometimes huge differences can occur. Anecdotal evidence will only get you so far in a situation like this.

In my experience, several different factors come into play: region, academic history, trade selection, extra curricular activities, prior work experience, and of course, the application pool for that year. I had it all on my side. Hell, half of the application process is writing a good, coherent, multi dimensional ROTP questionnaire that exposes your strongest attributes. You play all your strong suits, tailoring what abilities you have to reflect well in the paper application that gets sent to Borden. I was lucky being from a smaller recruiting area (~20 for Edmonton & Northern Alberta, while GTA had ~40) meaning I had fewer people to compete with. I wouldn't be surprised if the provincial education systems were weighted as well. My recruiter mentioned that while my mid to high 70s average wasn't stellar, my marks displayed consistency. From what I can remember it was something like 77 in grade 10, 74 in grade 11 and 76 in grade 12. He said that my consistency marks-wise would get me bonus points. With MARS (an understrength trade) being #1 on my application it also made me more competitive. You have to understand almost everyone and their dog wants to be pilot by trade, and by virtue of choosing an occupation that is "red" it's almost like a guaranteed "in," assuming you've got all your other ducks lined up in a row as well.

For all 3 years of high school I had a part time job, with a year and a half of that being in a promoted position as a lifeguard. That reads as "leadership value" to the honchos  in Borden. That with involvement in my high school through Big Brothers/Big Sisters, student council, etc, made the application look even better. On our interview day I saw the other applicants from Edmonton and Northern AB for the first time. Some, like me, were dressed up with pressed slacks, dress shoes, tie, pullover etc, while others had worn jeans. I guessed I lucked out when it came to who else was applying.

They want well rounded people, not nerds who got a 95 average in high school and did NOTHING else besides school work. That being said, some of the OCdts here now seem to be like that........

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on February 08, 2010, 13:45:23
Wow, I guess this year must have been really competitive or something :S

Either that or an 86 avg doesnt make up for a 65 avg last year

Keep in mind marks isn't everything. Unfortunately a lot of people have been convinced by their parents and teachers that their successes/failures in life will be directly dependent on their high school / post-secondary grades.

I was lucky being from a smaller recruiting area (~20 for Edmonton & Northern Alberta, while GTA had ~40) meaning I had fewer people to compete with.

Perhaps somebody in the know can confirm this, but I am pretty sure it's done on a national scale and which recruiting centre you apply to makes no difference.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Retired FDO on February 08, 2010, 13:51:26
Where your from makes no difference. ROTP is selected on a National scale. There are NO geographic quotas.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SocialyDistorted on February 09, 2010, 16:17:47
Alright well it looks like I'm just going to go to UofO in september and re-apply

What can I do besides high marks and volunteering to make myself more compeitive?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on February 09, 2010, 16:23:58
Team sports... the more competitive the better, and if you can occupy a leadership role (aka team captain or assistant captain, or a position that is naturally a leadership role like goaltender) all the better.

I'd say team sports is probably one of the major factors with marks/aptitude/interview score. I would guess that goes a lot further than volunteer work, and if you already have volunteer work on your application, then it isn't going to go anywhere, so you might want to start resourcing your time more towards sports. If you have to choose between doing sports or volunteer work due to time/schedule constraints, I recommend choosing sports, unless someone that's more of an authority on the subject like FDO says otherwise.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: CFR FCS on February 10, 2010, 23:07:34
ROTP is a national selection done by CFRG with input from the Military Colleges. It matters not where you apply from in this great country of ours. You are up against all who meet the criteria and who get merit listed.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 54low on February 23, 2010, 21:18:14
Hello everyone,

I would like to ask a question regarding offers of admission from civilian universities.

Is it possible to accept an admission offer from one civilian university and then accept another offer from different university later on? The reason for asking is because I just received an offer from Carleton U today for Civil ENG but unfortunately, I was having a difficult time making a decision as I am not yet sure which occupation will be offered to me from the ROTP selection board(which I won't find out until the end of March). Also, this offer from Carleton U is only good for three weeks so I have to accept or decline before March 15th.

Besides Carleton U(Construction ENGR O), I applied to Ryerson U for Management(LOG O) and Guelph U for Economics(ARTY O). Those in the brackets are the occupations that I have listed on my ROTP application.

If it's possible to accept a new offer from different university later on, I would have no problem since I can just switch the admission offer according to the occupation I am given for ROTP. But, if things don't work that way, well.. either way I'll have take the risk and make some decision :)

Did anyone go through a similar situation?

Also, along with the admission offer I was given a scholarship but under the document it says, "Your acceptance of our offer of admission also confirms acceptance of our scholarship offer.". I wasn't sure if I have a choice to decline it or not since, according to a few searched posts, you are not allowed to "double-dip".

Thank you for reading this post! and good luck everyone :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: macknightcr on February 24, 2010, 18:48:31
I have applied to RMC and really only want to go there.  I have recently applied to a few other schools just in case I am awarded an ROTP scholarship, but not accepted to RMC.  My question is about salary while at a Civi U, the CF pays for tuition, but do you also recieve a salary?  Also if you wish to live in student housing will they pay for it, or if you live off campus will they pay for that as well?  Is there a limit to what will be covered?  If only so much will be covered and you have other expenses come up are you allowed to have a job?   
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 54low on February 24, 2010, 19:32:03
From the information that I've gathered in this forum,

My question is about salary while at a Civi U, the CF pays for tuition, but do you also recieve a salary?

Yes.

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Also if you wish to live in student housing will they pay for it, or if you live off campus will they pay for that as well?

No. It will be your(our) responsibility to find a housing in or off campus. So it will not be covered by CF. Search for PLD in this forum. It's a Post Living Differential in which you may be qualified for extra money every month.

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Is there a limit to what will be covered?  If only so much will be covered and you have other expenses come up are you allowed to have a job?

Basically anything that are directly related to school, it's covered(books, lab, tuition). Also I remember reading from this forum that you can claim transit pass and gym membership if you happen to purchase one. About the part-time job, you can have one as long as you are permitted by the upper to do so.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: macknightcr on February 24, 2010, 20:49:13
Is the salary the same as those who attend RMC? $17 K I think.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 54low on February 24, 2010, 21:10:07
Is the salary the same as those who attend RMC? $17 K I think.

Yes, somewhere around that figure.

1st years = $1,465
2nd years = $1,495
3rd years = $1,530
4th years = $1,558

Taken from http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/ps/pay-sol/pr-sol/rfor-ofr-eng.asp
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: macknightcr on February 24, 2010, 23:17:37
And take home is roughly $1200?  Or are those figures with taxes already taken out?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: nic.f on March 08, 2010, 16:16:18
Hi Guys

I hope to be attending Ryerson for Aerospace come September, I was just wondering if there are any other Ryerson hopefuls in here!

In regards to PLD, I live in Toronto, and will continue to live in Toronto during the course of my years at university, however I will no longer be working ( as part of the ROTP agreement) and it will be extremely difficult to pay rent with the salary provided. I know PLD is an option and have read up on it, but I do have some lingering questions:  Does that only apply if I am relocated? Or can I claim it as an Officer Cadet to assist in paying rent?

Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: breezie on March 10, 2010, 21:59:37
Going down to USMA is most definitely not a booze-soaked jaunt. It's coming up to RMC from USMA that's a booze-soaked jaunt. :cheers:


Yeah man, you should see the sorry sad faces of the USMA cadets on the day they have to go back down south, most of them definitely want to transfer up here, partially because they are of legal drinking age here! Awesome people, but I'm glad I don't go to a jail to be educated!  ;)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: benny88 on March 11, 2010, 14:50:18
Yeah man, you should see the sorry sad faces of the USMA cadets on the day they have to go back down south, most of them definitely want to transfer up here, partially because they are of legal drinking age here! Awesome people, but I'm glad I don't go to a jail to be educated!  ;)

Swing and a miss.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ProudofallofU on July 23, 2010, 05:11:28
Hello Everyone,

   This is my first time posting a question on this very informative site(My hats off to you all).  I am applying to the University of Toronto as a mature student (I am 30 years of age), and I am also completing a Bridging program that is offered through Woodworth College(They are affiliated with UofT) to be considered a suitable applicant. If successful I will be automatically enrolled at the university, and I will begin my undergraduate studies.  My real concern is that the CF would frown at the fact that my Highschool grades were unsatisfactory, and I had to resort to applying as a mature student.  So what I am really asking is if there are any CF personnel here who have gone the same route (Mature Student) to enter ROTP.  I am just trying to get a heads up before heading over to my local CFRC.   Cheers.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: anenggcam on July 24, 2010, 21:57:07
This is my first time posting a question on this very informative site(My hats off to you all).  I am applying to the University of Toronto as a mature student (I am 30 years of age), and I am also completing a Bridging program that is offered through Woodworth College(They are affiliated with UofT) to be considered a suitable applicant. If successful I will be automatically enrolled at the university, and I will begin my undergraduate studies.  My real concern is that the CF would frown at the fact that my Highschool grades were unsatisfactory, and I had to resort to applying as a mature student.  So what I am really asking is if there are any CF personnel here who have gone the same route (Mature Student) to enter ROTP.  I am just trying to get a heads up before heading over to my local CFRC.

ProudofallofU I think that in general if you are accepted into Uni, and for a programme that is ok for the trades that you want in the CF, then your high school marks aren't really important (only for RMC). Basically if you are in uni then you can be in ROTP. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 2010newbie on July 26, 2010, 20:47:48
My real concern is that the CF would frown at the fact that my Highschool grades were unsatisfactory, and I had to resort to applying as a mature student.  So what I am really asking is if there are any CF personnel here who have gone the same route (Mature Student) to enter ROTP.  I am just trying to get a heads up before heading over to my local CFRC.   Cheers.

I applied ROTP successfully and I did not complete high school. My marks weren't that great either for the courses I did complete. I applied to a university as a mature student in preparation to my CF application. I completed the first year courses part-time and achieved good marks in those courses. I took courses I felt the CF would be looking for (English, Math, Physics) and submitted that transcript along with the high school transcript. When I applied to the universities for my ROTP application, I noticed some of them processed my application as a transfer student and others as a mature student. I think that the improved marks in the university level courses proved that I could complete the academic requirements to complete an undergrad degree and were taken more into consideration than the high school marks (which were many years old as well).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ProudofallofU on July 27, 2010, 06:50:48
  Thank you for the reassurance.  :cheers:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dsw92 on August 10, 2010, 21:41:47
Future Nursing Officer, going into 1st year at Queen's this fall!
: )
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dsw92 on August 10, 2010, 22:23:58
For the Recruit Camp, what would Civy U ROTP people bring? I know RMC has a list of things to bring, but I think it's meant for RMC students since it's pretty extensive.

- Some civilian clothing (+underwear, socks, running shoes)
- Toiletries
- Towels
- Required documents
- $150 in cash

Anything else? Thanks in advance..
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Silentstriker01 on September 24, 2010, 02:07:10
If on my application I only apply to civilian universities and say I do not wish to begin my studies at RMC am I less likely to be accepted into the ROTP program? I have already outlined my reasons in the essay I was just wondering before I do the final submit. I am applying for pilot only at the moment I don't know whether this is relevant or not, just that it makes a competitive program even harder to get into. My primary concern is getting into the program.

Note: In no way am I slandering the reputation of RMC I have just decided based on my research that I prefer civilian universities lifestyle choices. That doesn't mean I wouldn't go to RMC if they offered it to me I would just rather do civi u.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: nairna on September 24, 2010, 02:30:15
This is where I get confused as well. I'm already in my second year, my program is not offered at RMC and I'm told I don't have a prerequisite for RMC, but I can still apply? There wasn't any solid information provided to me other than what sounded to me like gueses and run arounds. I'm quite confused, and slightly frustrated on the matter because if my application is less competitive because I took U data management instead of U functions for a degree in international studies which only math courses in the course calendar is data management courses anyway would to me seem incorrect on the CFs part and highly inadequate as an application structure in terms of current and relative data.

Does anyone have any information that could help clear this up?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: pudd13 on September 24, 2010, 05:24:55
Nairna, I'll be honest, I have no idea what you said in your post.

Silentstriker, my understanding is that when the applications are reviewed, and students start getting accepted, they fill the RMC slots in the ROTP program first, and then once all the RMC slots are full they will start to fill the civi university slots. However, they will put you straight into civi uni if you select that as your first choice, and there is a greater need for officers in the canadian forces then there are slots at RMC. That is to say, (and this is ONLY FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, not sure if its fact), they fill RMC first with people who have RMC as their first choice. Then, they offer the ROTP to civi uni student applicants who a) chose civi uni as their first choice, or b) didn't make it in with the group that chose RMC as number 1. If you wanted to be certain on this, it would be best to contact a recruiter, as I am sure they would have more information.

However, you mention that if you were offered RMC, you would take it. So, it is HIGHLY recommended that you put on your application that you wish to attend RMC, but then list it as your second choice (or third, if there are two civi schools you would prefer over RMC). This way, you are maximizing the number of ROTP slots that you can potentially fill, while still indicating what you prefer.

I hope that answered your question (and possibly yours nairna), and I hope all goes well with your application.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ---- on September 24, 2010, 11:07:11
Silentstriker- I don't know but I can tell you that it "should" not be an issue to only apply for RMC or only apply for Civy U. I was in a briefing the other day and of the say 70 of us there were around 4 pilots (still competitive) but I feel if you looked at RMC it'd be around the same amount.

So it should not make a difference but ask a recruiter, they will know.

Nairna- Call a recruiter but...if you don't have the pre-reqs they probably would not let you change. What's wrong with continuing at your Civy U?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: nairna on September 24, 2010, 11:10:59
Rogo: nothing is wrong with it, in fact that is what I want to do, but the recruiter mentioned that I may not be eligible for ROTP because of it, but that makes absolutely no sense to me. Lol
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 2010newbie on September 24, 2010, 18:04:44
If on my application I only apply to civilian universities and say I do not wish to begin my studies at RMC am I less likely to be accepted into the ROTP program? I have already outlined my reasons in the essay I was just wondering before I do the final submit. I am applying for pilot only at the moment I don't know whether this is relevant or not, just that it makes a competitive program even harder to get into. My primary concern is getting into the program.

Note: In no way am I slandering the reputation of RMC I have just decided based on my research that I prefer civilian universities lifestyle choices. That doesn't mean I wouldn't go to RMC if they offered it to me I would just rather do civi u.

Thanks in advance

I was accepted ROTP for Pilot and I did not mention RMC anywhere in my application nor my essay. I only listed three civilian universities as my program choices.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Silentstriker01 on September 24, 2010, 18:52:11
I was accepted ROTP for Pilot and I did not mention RMC anywhere in my application nor my essay. I only listed three civilian universities as my program choices.

Thank you, I think thats what I'm going to do then. I took your guys's advice and went down to the recruiting centre where I found out only 20 pilots are being hired this year. 2010 newbie may I ask what program you applied for at university? Did you list any other trades as your 2nd and 3rd choice? I am still going to try to get into pilot but I'm going to do some research to see what other trades might interest me.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on September 24, 2010, 21:48:20
.  Also if a member is injured while performing that other job they would financially responsible for their medical expenses and if that injury prevents them from performing their duties as a CF member then there would be further repercussions.

How can the member be financially responsible for medial expenses if they are not allowed to use the provincial healthcare system (which they would be able to use if they weren't in the service and got injured at work)?  I tough free healthcare was one of the basic rights in Canada?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Ditch on September 24, 2010, 22:46:13
This thread spans half a decade....
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SupersonicMax on September 24, 2010, 23:16:52
Holy shite!  I did not look at the date prior to posting.  My bad!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on September 25, 2010, 15:14:55

Note: In no way am I slandering the reputation of RMC I have just decided based on my research that I prefer civilian universities lifestyle choices. That doesn't mean I wouldn't go to RMC if they offered it to me I would just rather do civi u.

Thanks in advance

If that's your attitude, what makes you think that you will be able to handle the CF lifestyle?  Just because you go to a civilian university doesn't mean the CF rules don't apply to you.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on September 25, 2010, 15:32:32
This is where I get confused as well. I'm already in my second year, my program is not offered at RMC and I'm told I don't have a prerequisite for RMC, but I can still apply? There wasn't any solid information provided to me other than what sounded to me like gueses and run arounds. I'm quite confused, and slightly frustrated on the matter because if my application is less competitive because I took U data management instead of U functions for a degree in international studies which only math courses in the course calendar is data management courses anyway would to me seem incorrect on the CFs part and highly inadequate as an application structure in terms of current and relative data.

Does anyone have any information that could help clear this up?
If you're already enrolled in and have completed part of an acceptable degree program, then there is a good chance you will be allowed to continue at the school where you started.  However, I recommend you include an English course in your future studies.  Everything after your first sentence above is gibberish.  If you aspire to be an officer, you need to be able to communicate effectively.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Silentstriker01 on September 25, 2010, 16:22:00
If that's your attitude, what makes you think that you will be able to handle the CF lifestyle?  Just because you go to a civilian university doesn't mean the CF rules don't apply to you.

I don't have any problem with the discipline, and as I said before, I would definitely go to RMC if offered. I have always been fascinated with the military from a very young age and always wanted a job that's more than your average 9 to 5. A job where I could fell like I've accomplished something worthwhile, and helped other people. I would rather go to Civilian University so in addition to experiencing military training during the summer I could get a feel for how the civilian world functions. I also feel I would learn more self-discipline and responsibility as I would have to organize my own time. Besides that the only other difference between the two institutions that I know of are the opportunities for fun. At RMC you get the privilege of experiencing things like rappelling, cool obstacle courses, and the rewards of a disciplined, teamwork oriented, and physically demanding environment. At civi U it's parties and women, not saying this does not exist at RMC I feel its more common at Civi u.

Both places get you to the same place so why not choose which one you would prefer?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: nairna on September 25, 2010, 16:45:20
Pusser: It actually does make sense. It's a complicated situation to which I am confused by what the CFRC is telling me. The math I have, U data management, is apparently not acceptable for ROTP, yet I am in university for a program that required a grade 12 U math. So why should my application be less competitive? Did this help clear things up? Perhaps I was writing with to much emphasis on course selection "lingo". My apologies, I do not need an English class thank you.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: pudd13 on September 25, 2010, 18:45:17
Silentstriker: I think that is a perfectly legitimate reason for wanting to attend a civilian university. As you said, and something I have never considered before, is that if you attend civi u, under ROTP, you get a taste of both worlds; a "broader" education if you will. Although, in my own opinion, even though RMC is not a civilian school, there is no education more broad than the one obtained at RMC, even if you do miss out on the civi uni end of things.

Nairna, your last post by no means made sense. The situation that you are in is much clearer now with a more careful explanation. So what you are trying to say is that you are in a program at your university that required Math 12? In other words, you have Math 12, and a higher level math?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on September 25, 2010, 19:19:40
At civi U it's parties and women, not saying this does not exist at RMC I feel its more common at Civi u.

There's plenty of this at RMC... well maybe not the male/female ratio aspect of civi u but having St-Lawrence College and Queens nearby helps a lot.  :nod:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on September 25, 2010, 20:32:03
Pusser: It actually does make sense. It's a complicated situation to which I am confused by what the CFRC is telling me. The math I have, U data management, is apparently not acceptable for ROTP, yet I am in university for a program that required a grade 12 U math. So why should my application be less competitive? Did this help clear things up? Perhaps I was writing with to much emphasis on course selection "lingo". My apologies, I do not need an English class thank you.

No, your original post does not make sense and several others have also pointed this out.  I will give you some advice for the future:  when you somebody tells you that something doesn't make sense, simply saying that it does make sense, does not actually explain anything .  You certainly don't want to try that stunt with your superiors.  If you wish to be an officer, you must be able to communicate effectively, clearly and succinctly.  Do not use jargon that your audience does not understand.  Perhaps you don't need an English course, but a course in expository writing would do you well.

In answer to your actual question, if the CFRC is telling you that your degree program is not acceptable, then it's not acceptable and you won't be accepted into the program unless you change something.  Arguing with the CFRC is pointless.  Considering that the CF has far more applicants than we have spaces, no one is going to bother analyzing your program to see if actually meets the requirements.  If it's not on the "list," they simply reject the application and move on to the hundreds of others that are.  Although we normally say that any degree is acceptable for some occupations, there may be caveats.  For example, when I went through, any degree was acceptable for MARS, provided you had first year math and physics.  So I took first year math and physics as electives, even though I didn't need them for my degree.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: kincanucks on September 26, 2010, 09:38:30
How can the member be financially responsible for medial expenses if they are not allowed to use the provincial healthcare system (which they would be able to use if they weren't in the service and got injured at work)?  I tough free healthcare was one of the basic rights in Canada?

Well it has been a few years since I posted this, and you have now have come to that realization (you are an astute young man), the answer would be that the member would have to pay out of his/her pocket, as in cash.  When you find that completely "free healthcare" please let me know.  Cheers.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 2010newbie on September 26, 2010, 19:59:08
2010 newbie may I ask what program you applied for at university? Did you list any other trades as your 2nd and 3rd choice? I am still going to try to get into pilot but I'm going to do some research to see what other trades might interest me.

I'm taking Commerce and I did not put any other trades down except for Pilot.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ---- on September 26, 2010, 20:15:32
Pusser: It actually does make sense. It's a complicated situation to which I am confused by what the CFRC is telling me. The math I have, U data management, is apparently not acceptable for ROTP, yet I am in university for a program that required a grade 12 U math. So why should my application be less competitive? Did this help clear things up? Perhaps I was writing with to much emphasis on course selection "lingo". My apologies, I do not need an English class thank you.

I had 12U Data management and I got in University and ROTP...  Should not be an issue unless your degree requires a specific pre req
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: nairna on September 26, 2010, 22:32:11
LMAO! Thank you Rogo, that is pretty much exactly what I was looking for. That is quite a relief. I am pretty sure the MCC that was helping me was new as he didn't seem confident in much of the information I was receiving. This is good news though, I was getting quite concerned over this issue, it didn't make sense to me.

Thanks Rogo
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: runormal on September 27, 2010, 21:06:01
Hey i'm applying to ROTP soon, and i hope to attend RMC, if i don't make it in hopefully i'll i get into Civy U Rotp.

Now the CF says you need to go to a accredited University in order to Qualify for ROTP.

Would anyone be able to give me a list of these schools located  in Ontario? I need to know for when I apply in November..

Thanks in Advance
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Silentstriker01 on September 27, 2010, 21:12:17
runormal you can't go wrong with any of the major ones: U of Ottawa, Queen's, Carleton, Mcmaster, Waterloo, University of Western Ontario, U of T, Ryerson, and Guelph. I'm sure there are many more but that list presents quite a few options already! There is no definitive list that I could find online.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ---- on September 27, 2010, 21:29:09
LMAO! Thank you Rogo, that is pretty much exactly what I was looking for. That is quite a relief. I am pretty sure the MCC that was helping me was new as he didn't seem confident in much of the information I was receiving. This is good news though, I was getting quite concerned over this issue, it didn't make sense to me.

Thanks Rogo
you are quite welcome
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on September 27, 2010, 21:36:25
Runormal: I believe any University is fine, as long as you are...

1) in a degree program that leads to a Bachelor degree.

AND

2) in a degree program that is acceptable for your trade.

If you meet both of those requirements, I don't see why it would be turned down.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: pudd13 on September 27, 2010, 23:11:53
runormal: You do not need to be already attending a university in order to qualify for civy u ROTP, but you do need to be accepted at one. By the way you were writing your question I wasn't certain if you understood that distinction. In other words, if you want to be in ROTP right out of high school, apply in september of your grade 12 year, not in september of your first year in a program at an accredited university.

And any university in Ontario will do, as long as it has the program you wish to attend. Below is a link for a list of universities in Canada by province.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_in_Canada
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 2010newbie on September 27, 2010, 23:28:05
Here is the official Ontario University Application site that has more trusted information and links to other Canadian universities. It also has descriptions on the application process and undergraduate degrees available at the different universities.

http://www.ouac.on.ca/resources/
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: runormal on September 28, 2010, 08:01:48
Thank you everyone, you have been a wonderful help. I'm in my 5th year of highschool at the moment. I'll be applying in a few weeks
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: rightawaysir on October 05, 2010, 23:33:51
Hi there everyone, I'd like to first say that this is my first post, after joining these forums a while ago to gather more info on ROTP. I attended the university fair 2 weeks ago and sat in on the ROTP presentation, and had a long talk with a recruiter. I want to apply to ROTP, but I would prefer to go to a Civi U. because RMC does not offer any Biology, Microbiology, or Biomedical science degrees.

I am confused on how I will apply to ROTP before I have applied to a civillian university.. How shall I explain it.. I can't apply to any Civ uni's for another couple months i think, but talking to recruiters online and in person has informed me that the process takes months.. I'm not sure I have all that long to get all this done.. I guess the main question is do i have to wait until i get accepted to a Civi U before i can apply to ROTP??

By the way I don't think I will have too much trouble being accepted into University because I have about an 85% average in all science and math courses at university level.

Oh, I'm currently in grade 12 as of the beginning of last month, and would anyone mind telling me if pilots are in demand or if the position is competitive or not?

Any and all info would be greatly appreciated, and sorry if it doesn't make too much sense; it was a little hard to explain:/ 


EDIT: Could someone also tell me if it is harder to get accepted to ROTP if I want to go to Civ U or if i want to go to RMC? Thanks!!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Silentstriker01 on October 06, 2010, 00:37:21
First off your thread is probably going to be moved since there is a questions about civy u thread that contains all the answers to your questions.

Yes you can submit your ROTP paperwork before you apply to universities. I am applying for ROTP as-well and have already submitted my paperwork. You should apply for early acceptance when possible. Just put down civi U for all three of your university choices you don't have to explain it.  Well you have to write an essay on why you want to go to your first choice institution but thats part of the paperwork.)
It takes a very long time to go through all of your references, forms, transcripts etc... Followed by an aptitude test, medical, interview and Aircrew selections testing for pilot. The selection board is in January I believe. And yes I am also applying for civi U.

The pilot trade is the most highly sought after competitive trade there is, period. My recruiter laughed when I said I was applying for pilot, he told me that usually 800 apply for pilot and they might take 20 this year. 85 average is good but many pilot applicants are in the low 90's or 89's with lots of extra curricular activities.

You should stop by your local recruiting officer for more information. The paperwork is available here you'll to have complete the ROTP app and all the CFRC forms.

http://www.forces.ca/en/page/downloadapplicationforms-107
http://www.rmc.ca/adm/rratq-ppqape-eng.asp

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: pudd13 on October 06, 2010, 02:05:11
Yes, you should definitely be applying now instead of waiting to be accepted at a civilian university. You likely will not know that you have been accepted at civilian universities until April or May, or even later, and by then, the ROTP deadline will be long gone. Apply now for ROTP, and then apply for civilian universities whenever you need to in order to make their deadlines.

The pilot trade is very very competitive; some people would say the most competitive trade to get into in the Canadian Forces. Although I still encourage you to apply for what you want to do, don't expect it to be easy to get what you want. You have to be the best in order to be accepted as a pilot. This means the best all round, not just with marks.

As for whether it's more difficult to get into the ROTP if you are civi uni as opposed to RMC, I am not sure. I have heard it is more difficult to get into RMC because there are a limited number of slots at RMC, whereas the only limit on the number of slots for the civi uni students are the predicted demands of the CF for officers. I am not totally sure, and your recruiter would be the best source of information for that.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: George Wallace on October 06, 2010, 09:07:07
As for whether it's more difficult to get into the ROTP if you are civi uni as opposed to RMC, I am not sure. I have heard it is more difficult to get into RMC because there are a limited number of slots at RMC, whereas the only limit on the number of slots for the civi uni students are the predicted demands of the CF for officers. I am not totally sure, and your recruiter would be the best source of information for that.

You make it sound like there is an infinite amount of openings for ROTP, with only a limited amount for RMC.  There is a finite amount of monies alloted for ROTP, so not all who apply will make the cut, be it RMC or Civvie U.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 2010newbie on October 06, 2010, 10:26:12
As an example, this year at the Recruit Camp at RMCC (which was for all students attending RMCC and civy u students from Ontario west; excluding the capital region) there were approx. 250 people. Out of those, only approx 65 were civy u, so the majority were heading to RMCC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: pudd13 on October 06, 2010, 14:51:20
I understand that there are a finite number of slots available for ROTP. What I was trying to say, and may not have been clear with, was that the number of RMC students accepted each year are limited by both the number of ROTP slots as well as the number of students they are able to accommodate at RMC. For civilian university applicants, they are limited by the number of ROTP slots, less the slots already occupied by the RMC students. Seeing as the biggest contributing factor to the number of ROTP slots would be the predicted need of officers in the CF (or, funds for the ROTP), then it can vary from year to year, depending on the funds and the need for officers.

So what I am trying to say is that I have no idea if it would be more difficult to get into one as opposed to another.Like 2010newbie said, there were 250 people at the recruit camp this year, of which 65 were civi u. Some people might look at these numbers and interpret them as "because there are less civi u students than RMC students, it must be more difficult to be accepted as a civi u student than an RMC Cadet." I don't believe this is the case however, and I think those numbers more reflect the present need of the Canadian Forces, as well as the ability of RMC to accommodate that need.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on October 07, 2010, 13:41:51
I think you've got it right.  My first choice was actually RMC, but went to civvi U instead.  I've never quite forgiven them for that.  I wanted the red coat more than I wanted a degree, but I digress.  I will, however, admit that the best part of civvi U is that it's a lot easier to cut class (not that this is a good thing).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on October 07, 2010, 16:00:46
I will, however, admit that the best part of civvi U is that it's a lot easier to cut class (not that this is a good thing).

Why would you even say that? You shouldn't be saying that skipping class is the best thing about civi u, especially since this thread will be read by all new ROTP applicants. It's definitely giving them the wrong idea of the whole purpose of ROTP. It is your duty to go to class, you are getting paid to go to class, so you should be going to class. As my SEM put it, "if you're not in class you're pretty much AWOL." I understand you will miss class every so often for good reason, but saying skipping is the best part...come on.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: OneMissionataTime on October 07, 2010, 16:14:31
I think the best thing about Civ you is that you get to switch on and off while you train and when you return to your universities. Despite university being filled with drama and school work, it can never compare to the rigors of The Mega or Gagetown. You can relax slightly during the school year and enjoy yourself.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on October 08, 2010, 14:25:55
Why would you even say that? You shouldn't be saying that skipping class is the best thing about civi u, especially since this thread will be read by all new ROTP applicants. It's definitely giving them the wrong idea of the whole purpose of ROTP. It is your duty to go to class, you are getting paid to go to class, so you should be going to class. As my SEM put it, "if you're not in class you're pretty much AWOL." I understand you will miss class every so often for good reason, but saying skipping is the best part...come on.

Touched a bit of a nerve did I?  Relax, it was a joke.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on October 09, 2010, 00:08:35
Sorry if that came out harsh, I just wanted to make it clear to the upcoming applicants that they shouldn't want to go to Civi U just so they can get out of class more often. That's definitely no way a future Officer should think. But I definitely went over the top for some reason(cranky because of a diet possibly? haha). I just wanted the new applicants to have the right idea going into the application process. But all is good Pusser, my bad for the tone.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: pudd13 on October 09, 2010, 15:29:29
Yay!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Volant on November 29, 2010, 22:22:19
Hello, I'm a grade 12 student interested in ROTP while going to Civvy U. I've read through and digested quite a few threads here and decided to create an account to ask some questions of my own, if any of you here would be kind enough to reply.

- How does one apply to ROTP + Civvy U? I went to the university fair in downtown toronto this year and asked about it, but the representative said that ultimately RMC decides which college/university you go to, which seems to conflict with some of the threads i've seen. Is this true? What are the conditions for someone to be accepted into ROTP and go to a university/college other than RMC?

I am an 84~ average student aspiring to go down the life sciences/medical career pathway and decently fit (I believe i can pass the preliminary beep test/push-ups/etc). However, i have not been particularly active in regards to extra-curricular school activities. I've only joined Grade 9 Volleyball/Grade 11 Track and Field/Grade 12 Track and Field. I do exercise and volunteer on the side though. In terms of education, i have (or will have) all the pre-requisites to enter university.

- Also, if I am accepted into Civvy U + ROTP, is it necessary for me to crop my hair military style at any point? I know CF funds our education during the school year, but during the summer we are expected to be trained in a camp right? Will it be necessary to cut your hair for the camp?

- What is the major difference between ROTP and Reserves? Reserves are harder to be accepted into right? 15 selections per year? If one is accepted into reserves, then compulsory duty is 3 years or optional altogether? How does compulsory duty work? From what i've gleamed, it is 2months for every 1month of subsidized learning? Does that mean if i go through 8 years of schooling i will have to return 16 years in terms of service? I'm not trying to exploit ROTP, but 16 years is a long time for a twelfth grader to fathom. Is it possible to pay off some of my schooling myself with ROTP as support?

Uh, i suppose that's it for now. Any response would be greatly appreciated -- and sorry if i come off as ignorant.
-Volant
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Deets on July 29, 2011, 08:12:27
Hello,
I would like to start by apologizing, as I have become aware that the administrators of this website are not fans of repeated questions. But please do take my word for it that I made a tedious effort to find the answer to my question within the abundance of threads that already exists, unfortunately unsuccessfully.

I therefore, created an account to ask the question myself. The question is: If I were to apply to the ROTP, and if I were to be an exceptional candidate, would I be required to attend RMC? The reason I ask this is because I am extremely set on attending the University of Victoria, but I fear some kind of conditional acceptance into the ROTP program on the basis that I attend RMC.

I recently graduated from high school in British Columbia. Graduation here requires 80 high school credits (4 per class), but I graduated with 114. I have an 83% average, with all three sciences, principles of math, advanced placement psychology, and a few liberal arts, such as English literature and comparative civilizations. I have been in leadership classes for the last 4 years, and on select sponsored soccer and rugby teams. I graduated with my dogwood, as I completed my 12 years of schooling in French immersion.

I feel confident (but not cocky) about getting accepted into the ROTP program, but I fear I wouldn't get to go to the university I always dreamt of attending. I ultimately want to double major in biology and psychology, with a bachelors of science. The military career I want (you may find it irrelevant) is Infantry Officer.

So someone, please, answer my one simple question. I hope I provided enough information to do so. It would be much appreciated! I will even accept crude answers (George Wallace), as I believe those are the most honest and will help me grow the most.

PS I apologise for any spelling or grammatical errors, it's difficult to be precise on an iPhone.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Technoviking on July 29, 2011, 08:23:50
I applied for UTPNCM (similar to ROTP, but for currently-serving NCMs) and I was told that going to RMC was the preferred option for applicants.  If, however, you aim to get a degree that is acceptable to whichever officer classification for which you intend to apply, and that degree is not granted at RMC, then you may be allowed to attend a civilian university.

For example, suppose you want to be an Infantry Officer, and you are entering for a Philosophy degree, then you may be able to attend (insert Civy U name here)

But in the end, the CF will decide which university you will attend.  Well, by "decide", I mean "offer", because you may decide on your own to say "flip that", and attend university on your own dime, and then apply DEO after the fact.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Deets on July 29, 2011, 08:30:09
Well I noticed RMC doesn't have a biology subfaculty in their faculty of science, maybe that could be my big break..

Unless, perhaps, they'd find it silly and unnecessary to subsidise a degree that concentrates on biology, only so the student can be an officer..?

I'm sure they're looking for some kind of relevance.. I just want to learn about something I love and then do something that I'm interested in.

Life is not easy.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Deets on July 29, 2011, 08:32:06
Sorry, I meant "only so the student can become an infantry officer."
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PMedMoe on July 29, 2011, 08:32:42
Pretty much what Technoviking said.  You may apply for civilian university but you may be offered entry into RMC.  At that time, you will have to think long and hard about what your ultimate goal really is.  Keep in mind, that in the CF, you may move to many places over your career and it's not a great idea to get your hopes up about being posted where you want to be.

From a document found on Google:

Quote
The first priority of the Canadian Forces is to fill positions at the Royal Military College of Canada for all occupations other than for the medical occupations such as Nurse, Pharmacist and Physiotherapist.

Source:  http://www.kingsown.ca/Old%20Site/ROTP%20Quest%20Part%201_en.pdf (http://www.kingsown.ca/Old%20Site/ROTP%20Quest%20Part%201_en.pdf)

From the Forces website:

Quote
Sometimes, there are more qualified candidates than the CMC System can accommodate or your choice of programme is not offered. In this instance, you would be eligible to apply to any Canadian university.

Hope that helps a bit.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: benny88 on July 29, 2011, 09:17:47
     I had my cake and ate it too, going to the university I always wanted to go to while under ROTP, but it's important to note that joining the CF is a pretty lengthy career if you want it to be (in the case of officers, you don't really have a choice) and university is only 4 years. It will be a culture shock and you will be homesick, but you'll soon realize that joining ROTP is the best thing you ever did, regardless of where you go to school.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: curious22 on July 29, 2011, 09:51:10
It appears that this year's group of ROTP accepted applicants were mostly offered RMC (even if they did not list it as a choice). It has been stated that the CF wants to fill their school first as this makes sense from a cost point of view.

It is probably not necessary to have a "biology" type degree to be an infantry officer, so therefore you do not have to attend a civilian university as a nurse, pharmacy etc. would have to.

You may want to enter university for a year or two then apply. The thinking behind this is maybe they would let you finish your degree rather then start over at RMC as some applicants are doing this year.

I don't think there were too many "Civvy U" offers this year.

Good Luck
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on July 31, 2011, 18:50:54
I had the opposite problem.  I desperately wanted to go to RMC, but got stuck with civvy U.  In the end, you go where the powers that be decide to send you.  I am a bit concerned with the lack of flexibility in your desires.  If you can't handle going to RMC over UVic, your future in the infantry will be hard and somewhat limited .  You do realize that there are no Regular Force infantry units in BC?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on July 31, 2011, 19:18:49
Life is not easy.

If you think you have it rough now, i've got news for you...........
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Deets on July 31, 2011, 23:50:08
If you think you have it rough now, i've got news for you...........

Hehe there's that crude answer I was looking for! Remember, I just graduated high school. I'm a little naive, I know. But I'm here to get on the right track.

As for the flexibility comment, yeah you may be right. I should be more open about which school I attend. But flexibility is acquired, it isn't something one can just choose to have. Give me time, I'll figure something out.

Thank you all for your help and answers!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Deets on July 31, 2011, 23:55:36
And if people keep answering, thank you, I'll keep checking, even if I don't reply.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: jwtg on August 03, 2011, 11:58:09
Choosing a program that RMC does not offer does not mean that you will be allowed to go to Civi U.  I exclusively applied to programs that RMC doesn't offer, yet I was offered ACSO (Air Combat Systems Officer), Bachelor of Arts at RMC.  My recruiter made it clear to me that they were really limiting the number of people who got to go to Civi U, basically to people who NEEDED programs that RMC doesn't offer (ie. nursing) or who were a few years in to University already.

Apply for ROTP- the worst that can happen is you don't get in, and you're right where you started, no worse off.  The 2nd worst thing that can happen is you get an offer but it's not for the school you want, and you make your choice at that point.  There's nothing wrong with having a preference and trying for it, but as others have already stated, the forces will send you where they want you to go.  You take it or leave it at that point.

Also, try and bring those marks up a bit!  I applied with an 80.0 gr. 12 average and an 82 average through 1 semester of University, and was told that I was academically on the low end of the spectrum!  More sports, volunteer work, team & leadership experience, some research about the cf/your desired trade, good interview/CFAT and all that will also help.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: yoman on August 03, 2011, 19:18:33
Also, try and bring those marks up a bit!  I applied with an 80.0 gr. 12 average and an 82 average through 1 semester of University, and was told that I was academically on the low end of the spectrum!  More sports, volunteer work, team & leadership experience, some research about the cf/your desired trade, good interview/CFAT and all that will also help.

People get into RMC with mid to high 60's so a low 80's average is pretty good if the rest of your application is well rounded (IE:sports, volunteering etc.) That's not to say not to aim higher but a low 80's average is pretty average and not on the low end. Key word is average, if you can get better all the power to you because your application will be even more competitive.

Good luck to you on what ever you decide to do.

PS: If you do end up going to RMC please show up in shape. I'm tired of seeing people arrive here barely being able to do 2 push ups or keep up on a light run. Your life will be sooooo much better without having to worry about your PT or getting hurt while doing PT because your not in shape.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on August 03, 2011, 19:50:52
I'd recommend applying to UVic and attaching your acceptance letter to your CF application, and have your program of choice for the CF as "biology," this will give you the best chance of obtaining what you want. Keep in mind, you will not be able to double-major if it takes more time (which it usually does.). The CFs priority is to get you the necessary schooling (one bachelor's degree) and training to be a productive officer.

As for "flexibility," I think that's garbage. I highly recommend not doing a program in school that you don't want to do, at a school you don't want to attend. I, unfortunately, am doing a degree that I do not care about, and the whole "its just a means to an end" is a very demoralizing way to be educated, and university's are hard enough to deal with as it is.

If a bachelor's in biology is on your bucket list, that does not mean you are not flexible enough to become an Infantry Officer. It means you might have to do the degree on your own dime and time, and become an Infantry O via the DEO entry plan. That doesn't mean you're going to be less of an Infantry O because you chose to do it that way.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Deets on August 04, 2011, 07:50:32
jwtg,
Thank you for your answer, I appreciate it! I will apply and hope for the best. My average is 83%, but I am attending a local college September - April where I am taking four more high school courses, as upgrades. They will be thrown onto my high school transcript, and if I am as successful as I plan to be, my 83% average will rise.

Yoman,
I appreciate your support and reply as well, thank you. Heh I laughed at your fitness comment, I can imagine outgoing bookworms showing up at RMC with no meat on their bones, unable to carry their own weight. I attend a local gym a few times a week, and to avoid being just brawn, I swim lanes to maintain cardiovascular fitness as well.

ballz,
I agree with you 100%. I personally find education to be the most important factor for longevity, especially for a person who intends on being in the military. It's been scientifically proven that IQ positively correlates with life span. I really want to do my program of choice because that's where I'll be able to be intrinsically motivated. As for the double major comment, uvic offers a program where the double major is received within the four year undergrad program, mainly because biology and psychology have a lot of the same prerequisite classes, because they're pretty relevant subjects. I like how you think, you seem pretty level-headed.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: ballz on August 04, 2011, 13:33:40
And to do with degree choice for an Inf O, "any" degree is acceptable for a reason. While I've heard there are now preferred degrees for Inf O, I've yet to see any kind of list ors ource that makes me believe it.

I don't personally buy the story that history or political science are any more "applicable" to the Inf O trade, and while I always joke that my degree (BBA-Accounting) is just my back-up plan, having done a bit of EWAT thus far in my short career, it seems the Cbt Arms officers I've been working for sure wish they had a clue about accounting and whatnot for their garrison duties. It still, however, doesn't apply to the infantry.

So go ahead and do biology, contrary to what the university will tell you, there are some things that it can't teach, and one of those is how to "close with and destroy the enemy." Let the CF worry about that part.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: cainegchapman on August 21, 2011, 13:49:31
I'm looking to join the ROTP program pending my high school graduation.
   Recently I learned that RMC "approves" of their recruits attending civilian universities. Is that true? Is there a specific list of universities that Officer Cadets can enroll at or does RMC approve universities on an applicant-by-applicant basis?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on August 21, 2011, 15:04:30
When you apply for ROTP, you are applying for entry into the CF as an officer in a subsidized education plan.  The numbers accepted into ROTP are determined by the required intake of officer candidates in the year that you apply, not on the number of spots available at RMC.  Once you are accepted into ROTP,  then we look at where you will go to school.  RMC is the first choice except for those pursuing degrees that are not offered there.  Once all the RMC spots are full, they start looking at sending candidates to civilian universities.  Which civilian university you go to is up to you as long as it is an accredited Canadian university (accreditation comes from provincial governments, not the CF).  It is important to note when you apply for ROTP, that you apply to civilian universities so that you have a place to go if they run out of spots at RMC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Good2Golf on August 21, 2011, 18:48:53
Cainegchapman, you may be referring to some classes that are shared between RMC and Queen's University, particularly at the 3rd and 4th year level.  The courses may be conducted at Queen's with RMC OCdts attending classes on the Queen's campus, or the classes may be conducted on the RMC campus by either RMC or Queen's professors, and attended by both RMC and Queen's students.

Regards
G2G
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: BeBraveBeProud on October 03, 2011, 22:51:50
Good evening,

I have been wanting to enroll into the ROTP. I am a little confused about how to apply to a civilian University though. Is it the same as applying to any university? Are there any specific grade qualifications needed? I was hoping to take an Arts program. I did not complete any math courses in grade 12, but i graduated as an Ontario scholar and achieved high eighties in most of my University courses. I am confident that my grades are qualified, however, I was worried about the math since RMC requires a 4U math course such as calculus. Any insight on the topic is appreciated.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: VeryMerry on October 03, 2011, 23:14:26
Hi Chris,

In order to be accepted into the ROTP at a civilian university, you need to have an acceptance to a school. That means, as you thought, that you need to apply for civvy university in the same way as all other applicants - in Ontario, that is through OUAC. You would probably have wanted to do this anyway as a back-up plan in case you are unsuccessful in your ROTP application.

On another note, if you are just looking at doing a general BA/arts program the chances of you attending a civvy university through ROTP are very slim (especially since you have not yet started any university.) From what I understand, there were almost no spots this past year for first year students at civilian university in general programs.

I don't have any insight into your calculus question - just what is on the RMC website:

"Bachelor of Arts

In addition to the general academic qualifications applicants for the Arts programme must have completed high school university preparatory courses (normally Grade 12 or provincial equivalent) in the following subjects: English or French course, and Mathematics (calculus is strongly recommended). Students who have not completed Grade 12 Chemistry and Physics will be required to complete preparatory courses as part of their RMCC programme. Students who do not meet these minimum pre-requisites may be admitted as mature students."

http://www.rmc.ca/adm/ap-cpa-eng.asp#General
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: VladimirK on October 15, 2011, 01:15:26
Actually, having an acceptance to a school is not mandatory, or at least it wasn't in my case. When i applied to ROTP, i requested RMC only, however I was offered civilian ROTP due to lack of spots. I didn't have a civilian school acceptance at the time of the offer (I didn't know that it would be offered to me if RMC was full), but rushed out and luckily, within a week, was accepted.

In addition, if you're combat arms, you can apply for BA in arts from an accredited university seeing as civilian universities don't offer a "combat studies" program, although military history is very useful. I'm in economics, an arts an science BA, and am going as an Armour officer.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pusser on October 16, 2011, 14:06:20
Keep also in mind that acceptance into ROTP, even at a civilian university, may require you to take certain courses, regardless of degree program.  Usually, this is dependent on your occupation.  For example, I was enrolled as a MARS officer and even though I pursued a BA (History) at a civilian university, a condition of my enrollment was that I had to complete 1st year Math and Physics as well.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: matthew1786 on October 31, 2011, 22:27:09
I'll make my question as quick and to the point as possible. I appreciate all answers, comments, and criticism.

I am currently 25 years old and am attending a civilian university. I am in the latter half of my 2nd year at McGill University, enrolled in Electrical Engineering specializing in Power Engineering (the program is 4 years). After much research and thought, I have decided to apply for the CF via the ROTP, in the field of Engineering Officer (submitted my application yesterday).

My question is, does the Recruiting Center ever look at applicants such as myself and grant acceptance to the ROTP and allowing the completion of your degree at your current civU? Or do they recommend enrollment to RMC and start over? Or maybe even ask you to finish the degree and come back with a direct entry application later on?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this post and replying. I am looking forward to becoming an active member on these forums!

With regards,
Matt
:cdn: a proud Canadian  :cdn:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: scriptox on October 31, 2011, 23:09:42
They do all three.

Sometimes they will subsidize the remainder of your education.
Sometimes they will ask you to finish your studies at RMC.
Sometimes they ask you to finish your degree and apply as a Direct Entry Officer (DEO).


Through the forums there are many cases of people experiencing some decision such as listed above. It all depends on your circumstances and what the registrar decides to do with you.

Best to contact a recruiting centre though to get the most solid answer.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MedCorps on October 31, 2011, 23:26:41

I am currently 25 years old and am attending a civilian university. I am in the latter half of my 2nd year at McGill University, enrolled in Electrical Engineering specializing in Power Engineering (the program is 4 years). After much research and thought, I have decided to apply for the CF via the ROTP, in the field of Engineering Officer (submitted my application yesterday).

My question is, does the Recruiting Center ever look at applicants such as myself and grant acceptance to the ROTP and allowing the completion of your degree at your current civU? Or do they recommend enrollment to RMC and start over? Or maybe even ask you to finish the degree and come back with a direct entry application later on?

My experience has been that people who are over half way done in a specialized type program where transfer may result in loss of credits / program flow problems are most often (90% of the time) left in there civilian university program. 

Good luck.  The CFRC will provide the most current policies, but this is what I have seen for the past two decades.

MC

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: matthew1786 on November 02, 2011, 11:37:41
Do inconsistent grades automatically rule you out of acceptance into ROTP? To be more specific, hypothetically speaking  ::), if someone had just about completed 2 years at a civU with shady grades and applied into ROTP, in your opinion what are the chances for success?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: tree hugger on November 02, 2011, 11:50:25
It depends on too many factors to tell for sure.  I was in university, on academic probation and got accepted for ROTP civi-u.  That was in 2001.  You won't know until you apply and get an official answer...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: matthew1786 on November 03, 2011, 01:48:51
It depends on too many factors to tell for sure.  I was in university, on academic probation and got accepted for ROTP civi-u.  That was in 2001.  You won't know until you apply and get an official answer...

I've already applied (this passed weekend actually).  Thanks for the answer, it is some what reassuring! :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: canada94 on March 03, 2012, 21:44:18
When you apply for ROTP, you are applying for entry into the CF as an officer in a subsidized education plan.  The numbers accepted into ROTP are determined by the required intake of officer candidates in the year that you apply, not on the number of spots available at RMC.  Once you are accepted into ROTP,  then we look at where you will go to school.  RMC is the first choice except for those pursuing degrees that are not offered there.  Once all the RMC spots are full, they start looking at sending candidates to civilian universities.  Which civilian university you go to is up to you as long as it is an accredited Canadian university (accreditation comes from provincial governments, not the CF).  It is important to note when you apply for ROTP, that you apply to civilian universities so that you have a place to go if they run out of spots at RMC.

Sorry for awakening an old thread however it leads me to a question I have been searching through google and the army.ca search for awhile..

The highlighted part in yellow is essentially my question, I was selected only "suitable" for Civi U, but my grades are up to par 90%.. blah and all that stuff. Does this mean that the fact I was not found suitable for RMC is not weighed against me? Is my merit; marks, extra curricular activities, work etc going to be taken into consideration on an equal playing ground with everyone else?  (other than not taking a Grade 12 math I have not the clue why I was found not suitable), as it gets closer to the selection I think I am going to call to make sure why I was not selected being applicable to RMC..

If it helps I am applying for Inf O, Arm O, Arty O and at the Civi U's I am applying for Political Science.

Thanks everyone!

(PS I searched  A LOT and this was the closest coming to my question)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dimsum on March 04, 2012, 00:48:38
Sorry for awakening an old thread however it leads me to a question I have been searching through google and the army.ca search for awhile..

The highlighted part in yellow is essentially my question, I was selected only "suitable" for Civi U, but my grades are up to par 90%.. blah and all that stuff. Does this mean that the fact I was not found suitable for RMC is not weighed against me? Is my merit; marks, extra curricular activities, work etc going to be taken into consideration on an equal playing ground with everyone else?  (other than not taking a Grade 12 math I have not the clue why I was found not suitable), as it gets closer to the selection I think I am going to call to make sure why I was not selected being applicable to RMC..

If it helps I am applying for Inf O, Arm O, Arty O and at the Civi U's I am applying for Political Science.

Thanks everyone!

(PS I searched  A LOT and this was the closest coming to my question)

Perhaps it was due to the number of spots at Civ U that were allotted this year. 

To be perfectly honest, I *believe* that you'll have more fun at Civ U, but that's just me.  I'm pretty sure that the people who've gone to UWO for ROTP (esp in my univ program) would agree with me   :nod:
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Melbatoast on March 04, 2012, 01:39:19
Sorry for awakening an old thread however it leads me to a question I have been searching through google and the army.ca search for awhile..

The highlighted part in yellow is essentially my question, I was selected only "suitable" for Civi U, but my grades are up to par 90%.. blah and all that stuff. Does this mean that the fact I was not found suitable for RMC is not weighed against me? Is my merit; marks, extra curricular activities, work etc going to be taken into consideration on an equal playing ground with everyone else?  (other than not taking a Grade 12 math I have not the clue why I was found not suitable), as it gets closer to the selection I think I am going to call to make sure why I was not selected being applicable to RMC..

If it helps I am applying for Inf O, Arm O, Arty O and at the Civi U's I am applying for Political Science.

Thanks everyone!

(PS I searched  A LOT and this was the closest coming to my question)

The yellow bit is my somewhat educated guess - I didn't take BC math 12 and ended up at civ U.  And I'll agree with Dimsum, it's a pretty damn good deal.  You might miss out on plugging into the social network at RMC, but Rick Hillier went to a civilian school so I'm personally not too put out (nor do I expect to be the CDS anyhow).
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: canada94 on March 04, 2012, 02:19:05
Perhaps it was due to the number of spots at Civ U that were allotted this year. 

To be perfectly honest, I *believe* that you'll have more fun at Civ U, but that's just me.  I'm pretty sure that the people who've gone to UWO for ROTP (esp in my univ program) would agree with me   :nod:

I understand.. My personal preference is Civi U do to the fact I live literally beside a University haha, however I would still accept RMC... I am worried that I will be "less competitive" because of my lack of RMC eligibility. But yes I understand the University social life from were I live, however I was not aware that this social life is different at RMC.

The yellow bit is my somewhat educated guess - I didn't take BC math 12 and ended up at civ U.  And I'll agree with Dimsum, it's a pretty damn good deal.  You might miss out on plugging into the social network at RMC, but Rick Hillier went to a civilian school so I'm personally not too put out (nor do I expect to be the CDS anyhow).

Same as above I am simply worried that I could for the reason of lack of eligibility be unsuccessful.. :(

But anyways thanks for the help guys!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: 2010newbie on March 04, 2012, 04:27:22
I didn't even put RMC on my application. In the interview they told me I wasn't eligible for RMC anyways because I didn't have a high school diploma.

I wouldn't get too worked up about not being deemed suitable for RMC.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: canada94 on March 04, 2012, 11:24:25
I didn't even put RMC on my application. In the interview they told me I wasn't eligible for RMC anyways because I didn't have a high school diploma.

I wouldn't get too worked up about not being deemed suitable for RMC.

I am doing my best to stay patient and calm till the offers come out :D I really appreciative all the help I receive from this website, greatly appreciated. However only time will tell if I get accepted and at this point there is nothing I can change so I might as well  just stay as calm and positive as possible wooooooo.

Thank you!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Dou You on March 04, 2012, 20:23:41
I'm pretty sure that the people who've gone to UWO for ROTP (esp in my univ program) would agree with me   :nod:

Damn right!  ;D
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: davidc538 on October 13, 2012, 17:20:32
Hey everyone,

I've recently applied for the ROTP and while calling the recruiter I was told that almost all ROTP's have to attend RMC if they are to accept there offer except for nursing which the school doesn't have.

I've already graduated from college with a 3 year Ontario College Advanced Diploma (Computer Programmer Analyst) and transferred my credits to a university so I have advanced standing working towards a BSc in Computer Science.

Has anyone here attended the RMC for CompSci? And if so did you/they like it?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Messerschmitt on October 18, 2012, 20:18:27
It is known that recruiter sometimes have no idea what they are saying.

While most attend RMC, there are a lot of people going to Civi U., including people who are only authorized to go to Civi U because their grades for RMC were not good enough.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PrairieThunder on October 18, 2012, 20:24:22
Actually, recruiters are the ones with the most up-to-date and accurate information.

Dictating between RMC or a civilian university has nothing to do with if your grades weren't good enough. The acceptance requires for ROTP are the same, regardless of where you are going. If you don't meet the requirements of the Canadian Forces, you're not getting into ROTP, period.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: benny88 on October 18, 2012, 20:44:34
...including people who are only authorized to go to Civi U because their grades for RMC were not good enough.

Perhaps you'd like to back that one up?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Scott on October 18, 2012, 20:45:10
Maybe better if the "expert" just STFU.

Dammit, I said it out loud again...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dcs on October 18, 2012, 22:27:05
We were told similar for last year, that a reduced number of CIVI university and mostly as you note for nursing or others not offered at RMC. Son was accepted to RMC which is what he wanted.  Take a look at last year 2012 ROTP board and you will note very few non-RMC acceptances.  Also a number that did not even indicate RMC as an option received only and RMC offer. (Their first task is to fill RMC)

As they have a computer science program and engineering good chance that any acceptance would be to RMC.  Take a look at the website, there is a process for advanced standing.   Not sure how easy or successful individuals are in doing so. 

You may have only the option to have the full four years of RMC not reduced as much  as you would like this being the case.   Talk to the recruiter some more and ask the questions. 

PS We were told that it was more the "Military potential" and "leadership potential" that got an individual an RMC offer vs Civi U.  With the reduced offers this may have little to do with the selections going forward unless the numbers expand.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: davidc538 on October 19, 2012, 17:42:20
I don't imagine I'll accept an offer to RMC as I wouldn't be starting until september 2013 (unless theres a chance of january start given that I've already graduated from college?) and at that point I'll only be one year away from a B Sc. at the university I'm going to. It also would depend on the kind of transfer credits I was offered. Does anybody know if Comp Sci is a competitive degree for a pilot?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PrairieThunder on October 19, 2012, 18:10:56
I don't imagine I'll accept an offer to RMC as I wouldn't be starting until september 2013 (unless theres a chance of january start given that I've already graduated from college?) and at that point I'll only be one year away from a B Sc. at the university I'm going to. It also would depend on the kind of transfer credits I was offered. Does anybody know if Comp Sci is a competitive degree for a pilot?

If you're in your 3rd year, they won't take you. You'll have wait and apply Direct Entry.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: davidc538 on October 19, 2012, 18:18:47
thats good to know although I'm not actually in 3rd year, I'm technically in second but my university offers alot of summer courses so I can finish off my degree in 1 less year. I guess we'll see what happens. Thanks!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: scriptox on October 19, 2012, 18:19:13
If you're in your 3rd year, they won't take you. You'll have wait and apply Direct Entry.

You're wrong.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: aesop081 on October 19, 2012, 19:13:57
Maybe better if the "expert" just STFU.

Dammit, I said it out loud again...

Too subtle Scott.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PrairieThunder on October 19, 2012, 19:41:19
You're wrong.

Really?

For Subsidized Education under ROTP you require a minimum of two years left towards your Degree.


Not only that, but it matches recruiter statements as well.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: davidc538 on October 19, 2012, 20:17:47
The minimum of 2 years left towards your degree seems like such an odd requirement and I can't find any mention of it here http://www.forces.ca/en/page/paideducation-96#paiduniversity-1 (http://www.forces.ca/en/page/paideducation-96#paiduniversity-1). Does anyone know for sure if its legitimate?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Messerschmitt on October 19, 2012, 23:59:42
Perhaps you'd like to back that one up?

It happened to me?

Really?
 

I know someone who had 1,5 years left (there was a concern that he might not finish his basic before finishing his degree)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: D3 on October 20, 2012, 11:53:40


I know someone who had 1,5 years left (there was a concern that he might not finish his basic before finishing his degree)

I know someone in a similar situation (3 semesters left to complete his degree), however, this was during the big recruiting push (which is the opposite of where we are at right now), and the individual was going into trade that was red at the time (pilot) with already having his commercial pilot's license with experience, which allowed him to bypass some training.  Not exactly ordinary circumstances.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Scott on October 20, 2012, 12:19:57
It is known that recruiter sometimes have no idea what they are saying.

To be clear, this is what I thought you were full of crap and should STFU about.

But I'm sure you're just going to find some silly way to defend yourself.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: scriptox on October 20, 2012, 12:27:26
Really?


Really. I know 5 or 6 people in my year who were accepted into the ROTP with 1 to 1.5 years remaining of their degree and are currently studying at RMC alongside me.

There's always special circumstances.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Shamrock on October 20, 2012, 13:56:34
When I went through school, the requirement was to have two semesters left at acceptance - meaning applications were submitted with two years remaining. That said,many a waiver was submitted for individuals with less than two semesters.

It's probable the standards have changed since I applied.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: davidc538 on October 20, 2012, 16:11:30

Really. I know 5 or 6 people in my year who were accepted into the ROTP with 1 to 1.5 years remaining of their degree and are currently studying at RMC alongside me.

There's always special circumstances.

What are you studying at RMC? and how are you liking it?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SecondYear on October 22, 2012, 19:04:39
Current OCdt here.

We have everything from ex-Sergeants who've done 3 tours to people that have done 3rd year University already.

You can choose to transfer some credits or start from scratch.

In fact one of my close friends has a degree already and is doing a new one here at RMC.

Age varies from 17 to 35 (no really).

PS: FYOP was fun  ;)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: scriptox on October 22, 2012, 19:19:15
Hey Landry,

We still want our mural back. We know you have it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on October 22, 2012, 21:40:49
Keep in mind things have changed since I applied/joined, but when I applied as a pilot, I also had a 3 year CPA diploma and was applying to a bunch of 2 year degree articulation programs (BSc - Comp Sci & BBA - Tech Mgmt). When my offer came through, it was for 2 years of subsidization. In the end I went a different route and decided to pursue a 4 year degree, but the option was there.

Once again, things have changed (recruiting demand, criteria, requirements, politics) in the past 4 years, so this may not be the case in today's world. From my personal experience, starting over (while not ideal) wasn't all that bad. My end goal is still the same, and I'll shortly be able to (hopefully) realize it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: davidc538 on October 22, 2012, 23:00:00
Keep in mind things have changed since I applied/joined, but when I applied as a pilot, I also had a 3 year CPA diploma and was applying to a bunch of 2 year degree articulation programs (BSc - Comp Sci & BBA - Tech Mgmt). When my offer came through, it was for 2 years of subsidization. In the end I went a different route and decided to pursue a 4 year degree, but the option was there.

Once again, things have changed (recruiting demand, criteria, requirements, politics) in the past 4 years, so this may not be the case in today's world. From my personal experience, starting over (while not ideal) wasn't all that bad. My end goal is still the same, and I'll shortly be able to (hopefully) realize it.

So how long ago was this? and did you start a 4 year degree program from scratch? Are you still going for pilot?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Heff18 on October 23, 2012, 02:34:38
So how long ago was this? and did you start a 4 year degree program from scratch? Are you still going for pilot?

4 years. Yes. Yes.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: davidc538 on October 23, 2012, 19:39:13
4 years. Yes. Yes.

Nice! well I hope you get it. Although I thought you were ineligible for ROTP if you already had a degree suitable for the trade you were applying for. Did they say anything about that?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: bini19 on December 13, 2012, 18:18:43
Hello,

I am a second year B SC. Nursing student at the University of Ottawa. I am applying for the ROTP for 2013. Does anyone have any experience being an upper year student in a civilian university applying to the ROTP for their last 2 years and/or being accepted into the ROTP for Nursing. Anything Nursing related or general comments about the ROTP would be incredibly helpful!

Thanks!!! LC
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Bsomb on December 28, 2012, 17:18:19
Hello, I've recently gotten a package in that mail stating that I am not suitable for the ROTP program at Kingston.

It may sound obvious, but is there ANY chance of me becoming suitable? Or is it pretty much done with? I also have a ton of other forms enclosed in the envelope that I have to fill out and send back.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: blcbandit on December 28, 2012, 22:27:35
I highly doubt that you can become suitable for ROTP Kingston this year. I am assuming it is either low grade average or not the required courses. In that case I would go to university next year get what ever I needed to get accepted into the ROTP program and make my grade average high so that I can become competitive. However I don't know what you mean by ROTP Kingston. Are you not accepted to the ROTP program period or just the program going to Kingston. You may very well be eligible to attend a Civilian University under the ROTP program. However I don't want to spread false hope so with that said I would do as I said in the beginning.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Bsomb on December 29, 2012, 02:29:28
It just says that on the letter they sent me, along with other enclosed forms for me to fill out. And I believe it is the low grade point average, because my math is currently bringing me down, and what grade would make me competitive?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dcs on December 29, 2012, 08:37:45
Don't assume.. ask them why.   My understanding is that as long as you meet the minimum indicated in the RMC requirements your application moves forward. If you do not have the required courses or it does not, it logically does not. Marks and overall average depends on the program you are applying for and the others also competing for it.  Marks though have to be competitive and they use the average from grade 10 we were told.  I doubt that any average below 80 or very high 70's would be competitive... but you will not know unless you find out why yours is not moving forward and if you are able to solve...apply.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: blcbandit on December 29, 2012, 16:10:49
I would think that they would look at your most recent completed marks. Those coming from Grade 11 and updated Grade 12 marks. Any reason why they look more at your Grade 10 marks?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dcs on December 29, 2012, 18:26:54
Sorry if not clear.. they look at your marks and average from grade 10 (onward) Grade 10, 11 and 12.  Son's both advised of average over this time period and that it would be what would be used going forward.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: lasts3cond on January 07, 2013, 21:09:13
Hello guys , I need help with apply to the ROTP , So i called the recurting centre and they told me to apply online. I also read that the deadline is 15th for ROTP applications so i need to get this done now. Anyways i went to the apply online site , http://www.forces.ca/en/page/applynow-100#applynow-7
And then it brings me to a new page when the GCkey login , So i registered for one , and login and got to here.  http://i46.tinypic.com/21l34ug.jpg I click continue , at the bottom of the page , and then it says

Authentication Failure

Authentication with SecureKey Concierge or Government of Canada's GCKey service was not successful. Please retry or select an alternate credential.

I need help ! What am I doing wrong  ?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mld on January 07, 2013, 21:55:21
Save yourself the trouble and go to your recruiting centre and ask for all of the necessary paperwork. Here is a link to the academic questionnaire that you will need to fill out.

https://moodle.rmc.ca/php_apps/forms/index.php/en/admission/application/index/435962705636434f4a694f4d47237a763f5272214d717d422e27507a6d

Please note that this forum has a specific place to post about ROTP etc. Find it, and make use of it.

Cheers
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: lasts3cond on January 07, 2013, 22:14:49
Ohh thanks ! So do I just print this out , scale all of it , Submit and thats basically how i'm applyling online? Or should I be bringing the documents to a recruiting centre , because I called and they said online is the fastest. In addition , it says i need to scan my transcript , but my grade 12 year hasn't been over yet , I still have Jan - June to finish and my top 6 courses are going to be complete in that time. So do I give them a copy anyways ? Because my first semester grades right now aren't at it's best.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: blcbandit on January 07, 2013, 23:31:04
 The academic questionnaire needs to be passed in online, that is how I sent mine in as the recruiters told me that this is necessary. As for your transcript, you send one in to the recruiting center and they have to make it official. You in turn take that copy and send it out. As the year progresses on and your first semester is completed you then update them with your new transcript.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: lasts3cond on January 08, 2013, 23:31:02
On the site mld has provided , how do I get an Applicant Number . It says it will be provided for me ?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SuperMario579 on January 09, 2013, 16:14:32
The academic questionnaire needs to be passed in online.

A hard copy works just as well for them. That is what I ended up doing!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: oscarmu272508823 on April 08, 2013, 19:56:20
I am a CT ROTP - senior applicant for NURSING OFFICER
Finished my interview & all those procedures at early mid FEB
Month after I called the CFRC asking them if i am merit listed or not. But all they could tell me is that my score is pretty competitive.
I also called my CT manager, she told me that my files are in CFRG Borden and she is unable to tell me .


Questions
1. So when are they supposed to inform you if you're merit listed or not? and How?(by email? phone?)
2. Who am I supposed to ask to know if i am merit listed or not?
3. Anyone have an idea of what date the scheduled selection starts?


THANK YOU~
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: PMedMoe on April 08, 2013, 21:10:42
Quite the improvement in your communication skills since the last time (http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,109956.msg1218522.html#msg1218522) you asked this question.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: jwtg on April 08, 2013, 21:25:44
I am a CT ROTP - senior applicant for NURSING OFFICER
Finished my interview & all those procedures at early mid FEB
Month after I called the CFRC asking them if i am merit listed or not. But all they could tell me is that my score is pretty competitive.
I also called my CT manager, she told me that my files are in CFRG Borden and she is unable to tell me .


Questions
1. So when are they supposed to inform you if you're merit listed or not? and How?(by email? phone?)
2. Who am I supposed to ask to know if i am merit listed or not?
3. Anyone have an idea of what date the scheduled selection starts?


THANK YOU~

If you didn't get your answers through the official channels you pursued, than I highly doubt you're going to do any better searching on an internet forum; besides, if you did get answers here, why would you trust them at all, if even people handling your application couldn't answer your questions?

Many of us understand the anxiety that comes with waiting to hear the decision on your application, but there's not a whole lot we can do for you.

Good luck
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Jammer on April 08, 2013, 21:49:07
Patience is a virtue....learn it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Hatchet Man on April 09, 2013, 05:06:11
1. So when are they supposed to inform you if you're merit listed or not? and How?(by email? phone?)

Recruiting, generally doesn't go out of it's way to inform anyone if they are merit listed.  And as you are CT/ROTP, the people making the final call, would be either RMC or the MA for your occupation IIRC

Quote
2. Who am I supposed to ask to know if i am merit listed or not?

Your CT broker is your point of contact, any information about your status, when it becomes available will be sent to them. CFRG just handles the paper work, they don't make decisions involving CTs. See CF MIL PERS INSTR 0308 for how everything (is supposed to) work.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: nursekatrina on April 18, 2013, 20:52:36
I have tried using the search function but have come up empty.

I have been accepted into the ROTP program for Nursing and will be attending Civi U.  Would I be allowed to take a part-time job?

Cheers,
Katrina

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: mariomike on April 18, 2013, 21:23:23
Are we allowed to work part time to supplement our income while going through ROTP?

"I am not too familiar with the ROTP entry plan but would he be allowed to find a part time job while he is in school to supplement his cadet salary?"
http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,102378.msg1073279.html#msg1073279
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DAA on April 18, 2013, 21:28:49
So I have used the search funtion but have come up with nothing.

Are we allowed to work part time to supplement our income while going through ROTP?

Thanks in advance!

nursekatrina,

I think you may want to slightly "rephrase" your  original question above.  From what I can see and based on your previous posts your question should look something like this:

"I have been accepted into the ROTP program for Nursing and will be attending Civi U.  Would I be allowed to take a part-time job?"

Just trying to help before you get "stomped" on...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: NeverDismount on April 18, 2013, 22:03:48
Depends on the Base/CoC. Approval is granted on an individual basis. Generally (from my experience and that of other ROTP Ocdts at my Civi U)  all it takes is a memo explaining why you need it, what that particular job does for you and how it will make you a better soldier.

I have a part-time job that I work evenings and some weekends, with the conditions that it doesn't affect my grades or interfere with the needs of the CF.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: nursekatrina on April 18, 2013, 22:30:54
DAA, thank you.  I have adjusted my original post accordingly.  :)

I am currently and LPN (Licensed Practical Nurse) or RPN (in Ontario).  My hope is to work casual or part-time to help things financially as I will be taking a substantial pay cut during my 4 years of University.

I hope I will be able to get it approved as it will keep my nursing skills as fresh as possible and aid me in my future role as a RN with the forces.


Cheers,
Katrina
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: jwtg on April 18, 2013, 22:58:50
DAA, thank you.  I have adjusted my original post accordingly.  :)

I am currently and LPN (Licensed Practical Nurse) or RPN (in Ontario).  My hope is to work casual or part-time to help things financially as I will be taking a substantial pay cut during my 4 years of University.

I hope I will be able to get it approved as it will keep my nursing skills as fresh as possible and aid me in my future role as a RN with the forces.


Cheers,
Katrina
Once you're enrolled, you will eventually have contact with a ULO (University Liaison Officer) or their clerk; they will be able to provide guidance and will essentially function as your chain of command.  Inform them that you would like to work (some may require a memo, others will be satisfied with an e-mail- depends on your CoC) and it shouldn't be a problem.  I make no guarantees, but based on my experience and that of my peers, having a part time job while attending Civ U is not a problem, provided it doesn't interfere with your studies.

If your marks start to slide and the SEM (subsidized education management) guys in Borden take notice, your job will probably be the first thing to go.

Good luck, and congratulations!
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: nursekatrina on April 18, 2013, 23:43:40
Thank you all for your responses!

Makes me feel more comfortable while making plans for the future.  Knowing that it is a possibility and not an outright 'no'.

Cheers,
Katrina
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: MitchS on April 24, 2013, 00:27:26
Hello Army People,

I am hoping to get into ROTP program in the fall of 2014 for the 2014-15 year, but I want to be a nurse as my job and take nursing at Queens to do so. I want to do the civilian university option instead of RMC. Would they consider me attending Queens before RMC or would they want me to go to RMC? Do I even get a say in the matter? If I put nursing as my first option then I will require a nursing degree to do that job, and since RMC doesn't offer nursing would they just send me to Queens?

Thanks

Oh and just pretend I've already been accepted to Queens Nursing.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SeR on April 24, 2013, 00:34:01
If you're accepted into ROTP for nursing, they have to send you to civvy U since RMC doesn't offer the required education.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: oscarmu272508823 on April 24, 2013, 17:44:50
They will send you to anywhere that offers BscN degree.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: AWESOME.TACOS on June 23, 2013, 18:46:12
What are some RMC approved ROTP sponsored civilian universities? Do they have to be in Ontario, or can they just be in one's home province?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SeR on June 23, 2013, 18:51:02
I believe that any accredited university would be "approved" for ROTP.

And no, you do not have to attend a university in Ontario.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: AWESOME.TACOS on June 23, 2013, 19:01:21
I went to my Recruiting Office and they told me that I can only find the application for RMC (ROTP) online. And I've looked, but I cannot find it anywhere.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: dapaterson on June 23, 2013, 19:04:08
Find the RMC homepage, then look for admissions.

At least, that's what I'd do...
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SeR on June 23, 2013, 19:22:43
http://cdn.forces.ca/_PDF2010/ROTP_RETP_Quest_En.pdf
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DAA on June 24, 2013, 11:30:17
I went to my Recruiting Office and they told me that I can only find the application for RMC (ROTP) online. And I've looked, but I cannot find it anywhere.

First of all, you have to submit an online application to join the CF as an Officer under the ROTP program.  Once you apply "on-line" you will be sent an email and provided with a "link" to the RMC Portal which will allow you to "upload" your academic transcripts for assessment.

Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: AWESOME.TACOS on June 25, 2013, 20:49:00
Thank you everyone, but another question. How do you make an account? I got a confirmation email saying that I need to log on to the RMC website and send in all my necessary documents. I don't know how to even make an account. All I was given was a applicant code, but not any account information.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: DAA on June 27, 2013, 09:31:46
Thank you everyone, but another question. How do you make an account? I got a confirmation email saying that I need to log on to the RMC website and send in all my necessary documents. I don't know how to even make an account. All I was given was a applicant code, but not any account information.

From what I understand, the RMC Portal has been closed down for the year and won't be re-opened until probably Aug-Sep. 

Other than that, you may want to email jobs@forces.ca and ask them just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: SeR on June 27, 2013, 12:55:36
From what I understand, the RMC Portal has been closed down for the year and won't be re-opened until probably Aug-Sep. 

That's most likely the case! If I recall correctly, the recruiting centres won't even accept a hard copy application until that time.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: StudentPilot23 on July 12, 2013, 00:05:48
It was suggested that I change the title of this thread to ROTP 2014-2015. With the time for applying steadily approaching, it was a good idea to get things started! Post your progress, the occupation you are applying for and any questions regarding this year's ROTP. Please do not ask any of us if you are competitive or not. WE DON'T KNOW. What you CAN do and what I encourage you to do is post your grades/extra-curriculars so others can compare themselves to you and vice-versa. I can't wait to finally start the process! ;D

Occupations:
1. Pilot
2.
3.

High School average: 92%
Extra-curriculars: cadets, flight training, soccer, hockey, duke of ed, part-time job 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: teabag87 on July 12, 2013, 10:45:39
All my info so far is in the above topic if you wanted to see it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Alex10370 on July 12, 2013, 11:56:15
Good luck to all the applicants this year.  I can tell you from experience its the best feeling ever to get that phone call saying you gotin. 
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: teabag87 on July 12, 2013, 12:05:12
Alex10370:

What did your application look like in regards to its competitiveness?

What sort of advice would you give to others?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: posv3 on July 12, 2013, 14:46:40
I'll be applying this year! Applying for engineering of some sort, and for trades I'm applying for Pilot, ACSO, and haven't figured out a third yet.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: StudentPilot23 on July 12, 2013, 16:38:17
Quote from: a.schamb link=topic=111313.msg1h242362#msg1242362 date=1373651200
I'll be applying this year! Applying for engineering of some sort,

Have you thought about the aeronautical engineering degree? If you're applying for pilot or ACSO it should be an interesting degree for you. Thats the degree I'm applying for as well.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Alex10370 on July 12, 2013, 17:50:23
Alex10370:

What did your application look like in regards to its competitiveness?

What sort of advice would you give to others?

I had an average of mid to high 70s in high school, was in cadets and volunteered with my local police department.

 The biggest piece of advice I would give to a perspective applicant is to make sure you are successful not only in regards to how you look on paper, but how you perform in your CFAT and more importantly your interview.  As well, remember they are looking for well roundness.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Teen_Cadet on July 12, 2013, 18:26:27
This September I'll be entering grade 12 and applying for ROTP. Looking forward to being able to join this discussion :)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: posv3 on July 14, 2013, 17:44:16
StudentPilot23: I am thinking mechanical engineering, from what I've heard most aerospace companies don't care between aero and mech, plus I'll be able to take some aero electives.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: StudentPilot23 on July 16, 2013, 13:01:35
plus I'll be able to take some aero electives.

How many electives do they give you at RMC?
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: posv3 on July 16, 2013, 18:13:33
How many electives do they give you at RMC?

According to the RMC website, mech eng gets 3 optional courses in 4th year (a limited selection, all engineering related though) and aero eng gets 2 optional courses.

http://www.rmc.ca/aca/ac-pe/ug-apc/me-gm/index-eng.php (http://www.rmc.ca/aca/ac-pe/ug-apc/me-gm/index-eng.php)
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: topgear on July 17, 2013, 03:34:15
Hi everyone,
                    Hope everybody is doing fine. I know the usual protocol is to use the search function first, but my situation is very unique and messy, the recruiter said so himself, so I was hoping to get some help online. I am currently on academic suspension right now at my university for not having good enough grades. I am planning to drop out at that university and apply at another school and start over. The recruiter said that even though they can't stop me from applying for ROTP right now as I'm a citizen, they recommended that I don't because I'm not a good candidate right now. So I plan to start anew, and finish first semester at the new university, work my butt off and get good grades and then apply for ROTP. My academic record from high school was really good, however after university it's been completely destroyed. Also I've been out of high school for more than 4 years now, so I'm a mature student. My questions are as follows:

1: What are your opinions/thoughts on my situation?
2: Do you believe that I should do a semester at that new university and then apply for ROTP, if so then when is the best time to apply?
3: If you get rejected, how long do you have to wait before you can apply again?
4: What are your thoughts on how to make myself a better candidate?

Any other opinions/thoughts or advice are welcome, and thank you in advance for you time and patience. I really need some help as I've pushed myself into some "quicksand". Until then, take care.

Sincerely,
Fellow Prospect
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Pieman on July 17, 2013, 06:06:51

Starting over with a clean slate is not a bad idea. Sadly, universities are unforgiving for first year students and your story is far from uncommon.

Question I have is, why did your semester crash?

If the reason was was you could not keep up and study properly, one of the best possible solutions is to reduce your course load from five courses to three. Three courses is considered full time study for a good reason. You will have time to actually read your textbook and absorb information rather than just plowing through the material and exams taking five courses. When it comes time for your application to ROTP they will see you were a full time student, and got good grades (hopefully).












Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: teabag87 on July 17, 2013, 08:09:00
1) I am applying to RMC this year but I will be attending Community College part time to prove to them that I can get better grades. The RC said my marks were good anyway, but I think it would be in my best interest to improve them. I encourage you to apply, IF you have a lot of extracurricular activities because RMC looks at that as well.

2) The best time to apply is September. I procrastinated last year and send everything in mid October. I had to do my testing and everything the week before Christmas, which was during exam time. This turned out to be very stressful. I strongly suggest you apply in early-mid September.

3)You have to wait until you can apply the following year. My friend applied and got rejected in June 2013; he can reapply September 2013. This may be different for other people though.

4)Take it from someone who's been through this, do a lot of volunteer work as well as job experience; and if you make it far enough to the interview and physical SCORE WELL.!


A lot of people on this board are pessimistic towards one another. I won't be like that because I too am in a similar situation as you. Everyone who applies for ROTP will have the odds stacked against them because a couple thousand apply and a few get accepted, (2000:300). Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Good Luck man
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: Teach17 on July 17, 2013, 20:04:09
The other thing you might want to consider is finishing your degree and then applying for DEO.

I applied after my first year university and my post secondary marks were not stellar either. I was not successful for ROTP, but after finishing my degree was able to get an offer for DEO.

There are obvious financial benefits to ROTP, but I do not believe that your grades count for as much in the DEO world as they do for ROTP as long as you have that piece of paper with your name on it.
Title: Re: ROTP at Civilian University 2004 - 2018 [Merged]
Post by: topgear on July 19, 2013, 01:48:01
Hey guys, really appreciate your quick responses.

@ Pieman: the thing is that I have passed some of my credits,  but later on in second year my concentration and focus went out the window. I just wasn't in the game anymore. I really think I wasn't mature enough then. But now that I blew it, I'm really kicking myself in the back because I realize that I blew a golden chance. Thant's why I want a