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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #525 on: May 24, 2020, 00:25:30 »
If the CAF want me to have an app on my phone, that's fine.

First off, they can provide me with a phone.

Secondly, they can pay for the plan.

They can then watch that phone enter my pocket to go to work and leave my pocket when I get home.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #526 on: May 24, 2020, 00:57:51 »
First off, they can provide me with a phone.

See also,

Ordered "to get a phone"
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php?topic=117338.150
7 pages.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #527 on: May 24, 2020, 11:27:55 »
If the CAF want me to have an app on my phone, that's fine.

First off, they can provide me with a phone.

Secondly, they can pay for the plan.

They can then watch that phone enter my pocket to go to work and leave my pocket when I get home.

This.

Also when my company asked if I wanted to use my personal phone and be reimbursed, I politely said, “No thanks, a company-issued phone would be perfect, thanks!” Same deal as your position about a DND phone, on one’s personal when one’s on-duty.

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #528 on: May 24, 2020, 13:40:55 »
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Canadian-led NATO battlegroup in Latvia targeted by pandemic disinformation campaign

Alliance commanders are pointing fingers at Russia



The Canadian-led NATO battle group in Latvia was the target of a pandemic-related disinformation campaign that alliance commanders say they believe originated in Russia.

Reports circulated recently in some Baltic and Eastern European media outlets that suggested the contingent at Camp Adazi in Kadaga, outside the capital of Riga, had "a high number" of cases of the deadly virus.

"That was definitely not true," said Col. Eric Laforest, commander of the battle group.

When the reports first surfaced, ahead of a major exercise late last month, the Latvian defence ministry swung into action to counter the false information.

"The Latvian authorities here were the ones to set the record straight because it was information about troops stationed in their country," said Laforest. "Rapidly, within a matter of a few hours, they went out and explained what the situation was. It actually happened fairly fast."

NATO was also quick to spot and swat down reports that the camp was a pandemic hot zone, he added.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nato-latvia-battle-group-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-disinformation-russia-1.5581248
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #529 on: May 24, 2020, 14:09:25 »
See also,

Ordered "to get a phone"
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php?topic=117338.150
7 pages.
I have a phone. It's my personal phone. They can reach me on my personal phone. But as for putting a data/battery draining app on my personal phone to track my movements, not on.

If they dare go that far I get a cheap phone with a limited data plan, no minutes, toss the app on that one and call it a day.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #530 on: May 24, 2020, 19:23:08 »
From the other thread:

If people want to call people "Leftists", perhaps this would be a better place for that conversation,

CDN/US Covid-related political discussion 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=132115.msg1612337;topicseen#new

Or maybe let's not make assumptions.

Maybe not leftists, but hipsters for sure. Trinity Bellwoods Park is one of the most hipster areas of Toronto, they are literal champagne socialists who vote NDP and Liberal. It's also the home of VICE Canada, the SJW channel. These are all the #stayinside people that were preaching on twitter a month or so ago too. I'm not going to rag on Toronto too much since there will be too many hurt feelings, but if that's big city residences' idea of enjoying the outdoors then count me out. Gross.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #531 on: May 24, 2020, 19:34:52 »
The only thing I know for sure about Toronto is that they couldn't pay me enough to live there ... and someone tried once.  ;D

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #532 on: May 24, 2020, 20:35:25 »
I'm not going to rag on Toronto too much since there will be too many hurt feelings, but if that's big city residences' idea of enjoying the outdoors then count me out. Gross.

One park out of 1500 in the city to choose from.

I've never had a problem with social distancing in our neighbourhood.



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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #533 on: May 25, 2020, 01:05:42 »
I'm from Alberta, and very much a prairie guy.  I've never been fond of Toronto.

That being said -- it's my own ignorant opinion.  I've only ever landed in Toronto, experienced the 401, and visited downtown a handful of times.  So as much as I say I would never live there, it's based solely on driving the 401 and anxiety raging while trying to figure out downtown -- not exactly a well informed opinion   ;)

Toronto is a large city, with many beautiful suburbs I'm sure.  Like most cities...unless you've lived there and experienced the 'real city', the way the locals do, I'm sure most of us haven't experienced 'the real' Toronto living experience.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #534 on: May 26, 2020, 17:43:22 »
Reference this post (https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,131800.msg1612573.html#msg1612573) discussing the CAF report on Ontario LTC Home conditions, it appears the Federal government/DND may have either hidden the report or incompetently left it on a desk for the long weekend...

https://twitter.com/MercedesGlobal/status/1265351340856926208

BLUF from Mercedes Stevenson is that report was allegedly delivered to Bill Blair and PMO on 14 May as dated on report. Delivery could not be verified. It somehow ends up on MNDs desk (politicians claim 21 May) and only given to Bill Blair on 22 May. Federal Government reveals report to Ontario Government at Midnight on 25 May, so even if it was DND bureaucracy holding it for a week, PMO held it for 48 hours.

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #535 on: May 26, 2020, 18:16:23 »
One park out of 1500 in the city to choose from.

I've never had a problem with social distancing in our neighbourhood.

I was listening to Matt Gurney yesterday on SiriusXm and he said the same thing; his family went out to a local park and there was hardly anyone at the park.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #536 on: May 26, 2020, 20:01:08 »
I was listening to Matt Gurney yesterday on SiriusXm and he said the same thing; his family went out to a local park and there was hardly anyone at the park.

We are pretty well insulated from Trinity Bellwoods, and the rest of the asphalt jungle. Ours is more like a village within a park.

We have Lake Ontario, the Humber River, Grenadier, Rennie and Catfish ponds as our natural boundaries.

Our neighbourhood is extremely hilly in nature with winding roads, steep hillsides, trails and ravines. The streets are lined with mature trees. 

Rennie, our local park, is 24 acres. High Park is connected on the west side of Grenadier Pond. It's 400 acres.

We also like to walk down to Lake Ontario and the western beaches. Our house is about 40 feet above the lake, so it's pretty good exercise walking home.

All I know about that afternoon at Trinity Bellwoods Park - 38 acres -  is what I read in this thread.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #537 on: May 26, 2020, 21:04:28 »
Looks like Stephen Harper was on to something in 2006.

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Stephen Harper actually announced he wants to increase military presence in our cities.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=unNZtCH9Mdo
That add never gets old.


I was fairly against Canadian soldiers deploying to these care facilities to clean up the province's mess. Pretty good indication I was super wrong, I'm happy our people brought this disgusting systemic problem to light.

I'm betting the problem isn't localized to the GTA area. If Canada is going to make such a big deal dummying our economy to "save lives" then we sure as hell should make a big deal about this.

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #538 on: May 26, 2020, 21:22:45 »
A very well-paid PSW will get $19/hour.  RPNs start around $21/hour.  Those PSWs and RPNs are generally offered part-time hours, with minimal (if any benefits) and are at risk of termination for making waves.  As noted in the letter from Comd JTFC, in certain locations they were chastised and threatened for using "excessive" PPE.

A CAF Reg F corporal (non-spec) gets a base pay of $5014 per month, or $60 168 per year.  Using a 37.5 hour week, and 52 weeks a year, that Cpl is paid $30.86 per hour.  Plus benefits.

Well-paid full-time employment with related benefits, coupled with security of tenure make CAF members more able to challenge the status quo in a case like this.


But the ultimate question, of course, is "How much more are taxpayers willing to pay for better conditions at long-term care facilities?"
« Last Edit: May 26, 2020, 21:39:16 by dapaterson »
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #539 on: May 26, 2020, 21:31:22 »
Better question where is the current money going? Especially at private facilities. Covid is going to cause a lot of hard questions, and I hope a full national inquiry happens, this is not just a Ontario issue.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #540 on: May 26, 2020, 21:38:08 »
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But the ultimate question, of course, is "How much moreare taxpayers willing to pay for better conditions at long-term care facilities?"

I'd say our government could also stop throwing around millions of dollars outside of the country, especially trying to get a UN council seat, and put more of the tax money into stuff like this.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #541 on: May 26, 2020, 21:53:14 »
I'd say our government could also stop throwing around millions of dollars outside of the country, especially trying to get a UN council seat, and put more of the tax money into stuff like this.

Cut foreign aid, privatize the CBC, get our resources to market. Plenty of ways to allocate what we have or generate new wealth.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #542 on: May 26, 2020, 22:00:09 »
Paragon of democracy right here. Get rid of that whole accountability and oversight bullshit.

Liberals shut down debate over plan to extend suspension of Parliament
http://Https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-liberals-move-to-shut-down-debate-over-plan-to-extend-suspension-of/
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #543 on: May 26, 2020, 22:06:04 »
Cut foreign aid, privatize the CBC, get our resources to market. Plenty of ways to allocate what we have or generate new wealth.

How much does Canada spend on foreign aid?  On the CBC?  How do those figures relate to overall government expenditures?  To GDP?

Where are those expenditures spent?  What impacts will there be from making those cuts?  For example, foreign aid is often used to provide Canadian goods to foreign countries.  Cutting aid will, interestingly enough, cut a support to Canadian industry.


...to say nothing of the constitutional division of powers, where the responsibility for health and social services vests not with the federal, but with provincial governments, who do not spend on foreign aid or the CBC...
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #544 on: May 26, 2020, 22:21:26 »
They may be provincial jurisdiction, but health care transfers from the federal government are a thing so that in theory the standard of care is equal across canada
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #545 on: May 26, 2020, 23:28:38 »
A very well-paid PSW will get $19/hour.  RPNs start around $21/hour.

But the ultimate question, of course, is "How much more are taxpayers willing to pay for better conditions at long-term care facilities?"

Are you saying that if we paid the PSWs $21/hour and RPNs $23/hour to start, they'd actually treat people with some @%$@ human dignity? A vast majority of PSWs and RPNs get the same wage and are doing fantastic jobs at other facilities. These select few homes have terrible management, creating a terrible culture, and hiring individuals who are clearly just there for a paycheque. I've been treated better by a grocery clerk making minimum wage that I've never seen before than some of this RPNs/RNs/PSWs are treating people they are supposed to care for on a daily basis.

Throwing more money at individuals who are willing to treat others in such a disgusting manner is not the way to fix things.

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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #546 on: May 26, 2020, 23:44:54 »
How much does Canada spend on foreign aid?  On the CBC?  How do those figures relate to overall government expenditures?  To GDP?

Where are those expenditures spent?  What impacts will there be from making those cuts?  For example, foreign aid is often used to provide Canadian goods to foreign countries.  Cutting aid will, interestingly enough, cut a support to Canadian industry.


...to say nothing of the constitutional division of powers, where the responsibility for health and social services vests not with the federal, but with provincial governments, who do not spend on foreign aid or the CBC...

Well they could designate all LTCF as Marine Hospitals .... only 1 Province would object.
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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #547 on: May 27, 2020, 10:36:47 »
Provincial and Federal Government- We have no idea how this could have happened.

Also the government - 9 out of 626 homes in Ontario actually received so-called resident quality inspections (RQIs).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/seniors-homes-inspections-1.5532585?cmp=newsletter_CBC%20News%20Morning%20Brief_985_19109

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CBC News reviewed inspection reports from the last five years for all long-term care homes in the province and found that while most received a comprehensive resident quality inspection in 2015, 2016 and 2017, the number dropped to just over half in 2018 and just nine last year.

Ford and Trudeau should probably shove their crocodile tears somewhere.
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« Reply #548 on: May 27, 2020, 19:22:52 »
'Tent of Commons'  :rofl:


Rex Murphy: We now have two national crises, and Parliament has abdicated its responsibility

Suspending the House of Commons during the COVID-19 pandemic and a horrifying crisis in the care of Canada's elderly is utterly reprehensible

Breaking news: “The Trudeau government announced, following the grim revelations about long-term care in Canada, that Parliament will be recalled in a special emergency session to deal with the scandal of abuse and neglect of its elderly citizens. ‘Parliament must weigh in,’ said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, ‘on the savage neglect of its old people. Thousands of our seniors have been abused, neglected and died. Parliament must explore this national shame.’ ” Except that didn’t happen.

That’s what everyone should have been reading Wednesday morning. What was the headline you were reading? Trudeau and Singh make deal to neuter Parliament till Sept. 21.

First, great thanks to the Canadian military for being swift and direct and effective in declaring what they saw in nursing homes. Thank God they are not “suspended” until September. There is honour left in at least one Canadian institution.

Second, we have the information now on Ontario’s LTC. Quebec’s should come next, and there is no reason to think it won’t have its alarms, too. Third, it will be a real shock if in the rest of the provinces and the territories there is not some variant of this utter scandal in the treatment of the old. Premiers have a massive responsibility. But let us not have the “jurisdictional” question cloud what is a general and national shame.

It may not be the biggest scandal we have seen, but it is surely, in the root sense of the word, the most pathetic. In other words the one that most wounds our hearts. Those who have lived the longest, and by some measure contributed the most, are the most abused. This is a matter for the national conscience.

Therefore, it is really far past time that the gutting and sidelining of Canada’s Parliament, the castration of the House of Commons, during what is now a double crisis — COVID-19, and the care of the elderly — be blasted and condemned for the shameless and cowardly abdication of debate and accountability that it is.

Mr. Trudeau has been indoors in a cottage for 50 plus days. His morning standups under the Tent of Commons have passed the tedious stage, passed dreary, passed repetitive, clichéd and annoying. They are as useless as they are arrogant. And that’s a high bar on both. One person, even a PM, is not a government.

Trudeau is either scared of the House of Commons, or he has no regard for it. Perhaps it’s both.

The prime minister is not acting as a prime minister should, or should be allowed to. He has not the right to end the deliberative and accountability functions of Parliament.


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Re: CDN/US Covid-related political discussion
« Reply #549 on: June 01, 2020, 22:26:03 »
Time to open the border.Until that happens then tourism is dead.