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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2019, 15:25:14 »
What to take a bet right now?  When that plane emerges from repair the blue strip is gone.

I wouldn’t mind if it does, if they do it by painting it like the 707.  That’s a classic/nice paint job.  “Shamu” was a bit garish, IMO.

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2019, 16:03:20 »
I say we take the winning entry for the DM/CDS Christmas card contest and paint it full size on the aircraft!
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2019, 16:18:11 »
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2019, 19:47:48 »
I wouldn’t mind if it does, if they do it by painting it like the 707.  That’s a classic/nice paint job.  “Shamu” was a bit garish, IMO.

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2019, 21:11:45 »
Things of beauty:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Boeing_CC-137_(707-347C),_Canada_-_Air_Force_AN1064459.jpg

Or the Yukon: http://silverhawkauthor.com/canadian-warplanes-5-the-post-war-piston-era-canadair-cc106-yukon_870.html
I did one transatlantic crossing in a Yukon from Dusseldorf to Trenton as a six year old the year before the 707s came online and I still vividly remember the mind-numbing monotony half a century later

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2019, 22:07:49 »
Many years ago as an LAC, I got a ride on a Yukon to London England. At that time you had to dress in civies, with a tie and sport coat or better. Forget the details but we were served breakfast on tables with real cutlery and linen. Remember the passenger sitting across from me asked where I was going. I replied I was an LAC and going to bum around Europe and then get a standby trip back.   :D

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2019, 23:20:03 »
A Yukon took me from Trenton to Victoria (or maybe Vancouver - where we landed is a bit hazy to me now) in 1969 to attend Basic Officer training at  CFOCS Venture in Esquimalt. My first plane ride ever and didn't think that the rear-facing seats were anything out of the ordinary at the time.

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2019, 08:01:37 »
The latest CC-150 paint scheme honours the upcoming 75th anniversary of 437 Transport Squadron in 2019. It is a throwback to the red-and-white livery used from 1975 to 1997 on the Boeing CC-137. Galen Burrows Photo


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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2019, 08:32:04 »
A Yukon took me from Trenton to Victoria (or maybe Vancouver - where we landed is a bit hazy to me now) in 1969 to attend Basic Officer training at  CFOCS Venture in Esquimalt. My first plane ride ever and didn't think that the rear-facing seats were anything out of the ordinary at the time.

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So you went to "Venture, The Naval Officers Training Centre"?
I went to CFOCS in Chilliwack. Fantastic place to get your initial introduction to the CAF. I flew in the 707 5 or 6 times in the 90's and they really showed their age by then!

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2019, 12:07:15 »
Believe it or not. Some CC-137 still flying as JSTARS

"Most of the fleet ended up with the Northrop Grumman E-8 Joint STARS programme either for spare parts or conversion to E-8C standard for the United States Air Force.[6]
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2019, 12:55:20 »
The alternate CC150 has some problems and cannot fly the PM home from London. A second CC150 has been sent to pick him up.

https://twitter.com/mikelecouteur/status/1202276215551397889?s=20

Enough with the shenanigans about optics of flying the PM around. Lease or buy a new multi purpose fleet, no serious person is going to ding the government for that unless it’s a bombardier product that is chosen.
There are lots of options available to get this done quickly.
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2019, 13:17:42 »
The alternate CC150 has some problems and cannot fly the PM home from London. A second CC150 has been sent to pick him up.

https://twitter.com/mikelecouteur/status/1202276215551397889?s=20

Enough with the shenanigans about optics of flying the PM around. Lease or buy a new multi purpose fleet, no serious person is going to ding the government for that unless it’s a bombardier product that is chosen.
There are lots of options available to get this done quickly.

To be fair, the Global Express would be a fine replacement for the Challengers...
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2019, 13:43:53 »
Yes, of course. Along with the SAAB kit that goes with them!
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2019, 13:53:48 »
Bombardier Global Express:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8z2kC7TRHc

I can't judge if it would meet whatever the defined need is but I am impressed.

I have always wondered why the PM or other VIPs need to take a large passenger aircraft to go to such events. Does anyone want to enlighten me?
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2019, 14:14:31 »
Bombardier Global Express:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8z2kC7TRHc

I can't judge if it would meet whatever the defined need is but I am impressed.

I have always wondered why the PM or other VIPs need to take a large passenger aircraft to go to such events. Does anyone want to enlighten me?

Sometimes they don't.  There's a fleet of Challenger jets as well for smaller trips.  (Two different variants, one of which is old enough that it will soon require a waiver to operate in airspace - hence the need to replace at least the older Challengers).

However, for trips with larger contingents, sometimes including media (who pay their own way), it can be more convenient to use a larger aircraft to transport more pax / more cargo / some combination of both.  Like it or not, for a major event like a NATO summit there will be a large contingent, including support and security staff.
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2019, 14:44:58 »
So you went to "Venture, The Naval Officers Training Centre"?
I went to CFOCS in Chilliwack. Fantastic place to get your initial introduction to the CAF. I flew in the 707 5 or 6 times in the 90's and they really showed their age by then!

By 1969, Venture was no longer a Navel Officers Training Centre but a tri-service CF Officers' Candidate School. We were either the last or second last platoon to go through there as Chilliwack had already opened and Venture closed down for BOTC shortly after I left there.

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2019, 14:55:22 »
... and Venture closed down for BOTC shortly after I left there.

Hmm... correlation does not imply causation, but...
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2019, 15:00:16 »
Hmm... correlation does not imply causation, but...

Let's see now: the Royal Canadian School of Artillery in Shilo closed down and moved to Gagetown after I went there; 3 RCHA is now toast. ... I'm starting to see a trend.

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2019, 17:18:08 »
Here's me looking spiffy.


Yeah...that's it.....exactly the word I was thinking of.....Spiffy.....
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2019, 18:33:40 »


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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2019, 18:37:19 »
Yes, of course. Along with the SAAB kit that goes with them!

I gathered from EITS in the Canadian Arctic thread that it wouldn't be that simple to transition from one airframe to another and that we would probably be running up against the ever so common lack of money/people

Complete failure seems to be one way to get the kit replaced, put off until it's an emergency, than push it through

I believe in 2013(?) three options were presented to the government all of which suggested the complete replacement of all 6 Challengers, then in 2016(?) it was recommended to replace the two older Challenger 601's with used Challenger 604's. New Challengers were judged to be too expensive, so a Global Express at double the cost would look like a non starter, however probably considerably cheaper than an Airbus 310

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2019, 19:24:40 »
And now they are running out of practical and pragmatic options.

Edit: whatever the cost of the Challengers or Global Express might be, this country has certainly no problem spending far more for less projects.   Neither one however, is a replacement for the Airbus fleet.
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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2019, 21:47:56 »
A couple, at least, of A220s? Made at Mirabel.

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2019, 22:30:05 »
A couple, at least, of A220s? Made at Mirabel.

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Right! this should really be a slam dunk. Twin Otters, Dash 8, Challengers, Global Express, A220 how hard a sell could it really be. I don't know what aircraft and in what numbers are needed for the VIP/ transport role or even if this service needs to be provided by the RCAF as opposed to being contracted, but it sure sounds like a decision is going to have to be made sooner rather than later. I'm not sure that any new Global Express or A220 are even available right now as I think there is quite a back order

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Re: CAN FORCE ONE grounded in hangar accident
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2019, 22:36:29 »
The current production A220s lack the range to serve a VIP transport for a head of state / head of government.   Unless you can add about 50% to the range, they just aren't worth it.
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