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General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« on: September 11, 2019, 09:53:05 »
I saw some election campaign signs earlier this morning on my drive to work in west Québec.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2019, 14:08:12 »
McKenna signs here in Ottawa Centre have been popping up for over a week now.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2019, 14:19:48 »
McKenna signs here in Ottawa Centre have been popping up for over a week now.

Are they allowed to do that before the writ is dropped?

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2019, 14:24:56 »
Are they allowed to do that before the writ is dropped?
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2019, 15:08:23 »
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"Ottawa blocks" ???? Or do you mean Trudeau. If it was the CPC it would surely say "Sheer blocks".
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2019, 16:41:01 »
Are they allowed to do that before the writ is dropped?

Yes but the rules for the pre writ period are a bit different.  Elections Canada has a section on it on their site.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 20:17:10 »
From LawFare an American perspective on PM Justin Trudeau and the October Election.

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Canada’s Foreign Policy Election
By Preston Lim

Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 12:26 PM

The next Canadian federal election, which will largely pit Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Party against Andrew Scheer’s Conservative Party, is set to take place on Oct. 21. The results may be close: CBC’s Canada Poll Tracker indicates that while the Liberals are currently favored over the Conservatives to win the most seats, the two parties are “virtually tied.” The two parties are battling on a whole host of issues, ranging from climate change and the environment to the government’s economic policies. And for the first time in decades, foreign policy is set to play a large role in the Canadian electoral campaign.

Christopher Sands of the Center for Strategic and International Studies notes that foreign policy has only rarely played a key role in past Canadian federal elections. The 1988 elections, and to a lesser extent those in 1993, were fought over the idea of a free trade pact with the United States. Even in 2004, in the midst of the Iraq War, foreign policy issues surrounding the war played only a small role in the elections—though they might have had more of an impact had Prime Minister Stephen Harper not backed away from his initial, pre-2004 support for military intervention. In comparison, 2019 has already seen an unusual focus on foreign policy—largely due to a series of recent crises such as President Trump’s tearing up of NAFTA and China’s arbitrary arrest of several Canadian citizens.

Trudeau came to power in 2015 arguing in favor of a foreign policy reset—promising, for example, to end the Canadian combat mission in Iraq, take new action on climate change and revamp Canadian national security legislation. After his election, the prime minister argued that “Canada [had] lost its compassion and constructive voice in the world over the past 10 years” and affirmed, “on behalf of 35 million Canadians[,]” that Canada was back. But the new government took time to find its feet on the foreign policy file. After shuffling Foreign Minister Stéphane Dion out of the cabinet, Trudeau settled on a new foreign minister, Chrystia Freeland—who, as one columnist has argued, “began rewriting the language and priorities of Canada’s approach to foreign policy in an effort to maintain her government’s guiding principles in a world that had suddenly become hostile to them.” Freeland called for a defense of the liberal international order, arguing that in light of America’s retreat from global leadership, allied countries would have to adopt increased responsibility. She articulated the government’s approach most clearly in a June 2017 speech, which called for substantial investments in hard power and increased cooperation with like-minded countries, and affirmed the Canadian commitment to “pluralism, human rights and the rule of law.”

Yet Canada’s two main opposition parties, the New Democratic Party (NDP) and the Conservatives, have contended that while Trudeau and his government employ lofty rhetoric, the reality of Liberal foreign policy leaves much to be desired. The left-of-center NDP has consistently accused the government of only paying lip service to progressive values. As tensions have strained the relationship between Canada and Saudi Arabia, for example, the NDP has characterized Canadian policy toward the kingdom as “belated and timid.” Problems began in August 2018, when Freeland took to Twitter to call for the release of two jailed Saudi human rights activists. The Saudi Arabian government, furious at what it decried as this “break with diplomatic norms and protocol,” recalled its ambassador from Canada and later went on to recall the more than 15,000 Saudi students studying in the country. Saudi-Canadian relations would deteriorate further after the Saudi regime’s brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. Throughout this period, the NDP pointed out that, despite its critical rhetoric, the government steadfastly refused to cancel its $11.3 billion deal to export Canadian-made light-armored vehicles to the kingdom. The NDP has also criticized the government for not having meaningfully committed to U.N. peacekeeping operations around the globe.

In a different vein, the Conservative Party has argued that Trudeau has displayed tremendous naivité in office. Conservatives continue to cite to Trudeau’s infamous February 2018 trip to India, during which the Canadian high commissioner invited Jaspal Atwal—a Sikh extremist convicted of attempted murder after attempting to assassinate an Indian minister visiting Vancouver in 1986—to an official dinner in Delhi. The Canadian government eventually rescinded his invitation, but not before Atwal had taken photos with Trudeau’s wife. The Atwal fiasco led to a freeze-over of bilateral relations. The Conservatives have also derided Trudeau’s insistence on pushing for “progressive trade agreements,” meaning agreements that meet Liberal concerns on labor, the environment, and the rights of women and indigeneous people. The National Post, a right-leaning and well-respected paper, reveals that the Liberal government has since instructed bureaucrats to drop the term “progressive” on the grounds that the term was too “politically-loaded” and might have disrupted trade negotiations with certain countries.

But the Official Opposition’s criticisms of Trudeau truly picked up after the December 2018 arrest of Huawei Chief Financial Officer Meng Wanzhou in Canada at the request of the United States, and the resulting collapse in Sino-Canadian relations. China has retaliated by arbitrarily arresting Canadian citizens Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor and by blocking imports of Canadian pork and canola. In his May keynote foreign policy speech, Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer criticized the “total disarray in how this government has handled” China, pointing out that the government had yet to file a suit in the World Trade Organization against China’s “unjustified trade actions” against Canadian farmers. Scheer also attacked the government for its failure to appoint an ambassador to China: The previous ambassador resigned in January, and the government didn’t appoint a new envoy until Sept. 4, after Scheer’s remarks. In sum, Scheer accused Trudeau of a strategy of appeasement and pledged that a Conservative government, instead of seeking engagement with China, would “commit to like-minded democracies in the Indo-Pacific region.” MP Erin O’Toole, the Conservative Party’s shadow minister for foreign affairs, has similarly pointed out that Trudeau failed to reach out to Chinese counterparts “at senior levels to explain the extradition process” and did not converse with President Xi Jinping until June’s G-20 Summit, almost six months after Meng’s arrest.

Despite this criticism from the opposition, Trudeau does have some cards up his sleeve. Most significantly, the Trudeau government succeeded in crafting a revitalized NAFTA following Trump’s decision to renegotiate or potentially terminate the agreement. As the New York Times writes, Trudeau came away from negotiations “with a few items considered sacred for [Canada’s] economic security”—a dispute resolution system and a “distant expiration date to the agreement.” The United States also lifted tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum, though analysts and opposition MPs were quick to note that the U.S. reserves the right to reimpose tariffs “in the event that imports of aluminum or steel products surge meaningfully beyond historic volumes.” Still, the fact that the government crafted a new NAFTA deal and avoided the tariffs comes as a relief to Canadians and will likely help the government win support in the upcoming elections. In addition, Freeland has argued that Canada today faces a uniquely challenging set of international circumstances. Given the threat of “resurgent authoritarianism” and the “weakening of the rules-based international order,” as Freeland puts it, perhaps the Liberals may convince Canadians to grant Trudeau leeway as he seeks to defend his foreign policy record.

Yet Trudeau has arguably attempted to draw the national conversation away from his foreign policy record. As the Star notes, Liberal election strategy will center on talking up “the economy—the steady growth and low unemployment.” Before Parliament broke for the summer, the prime minister and prominent Liberal MPs, when faced with tricky questions—often on foreign policy—would pivot to a new topic, leading columnist John Ivison to deride Trudeau’s style as that of “non-sequitur politics.” The normally sympathetic Aaron Wherry has likewise noted Trudeau’s dodging of questions, though Wherry provides the caveat that Parliament’s Question Period, during which Trudeau faced those challenges, is “not an ideal forum” for “substance and nuance.”

Nevertheless, Trudeau hasn’t exactly availed himself of other opportunities to explain the government’s foreign policy and has not meaningfully addressed criticisms of his foreign policy record. He took until August to deliver his first major foreign policy address of 2019, entitled “Canada’s Role on the Global Stage.” In that speech, Trudeau offered a “positive vision of Canada’s unique and multi-faceted role in an increasingly unpredictable era.” He referenced the successful negotiation of three key trade deals: the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA), the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, and the EU-Canada Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement. But rather than substantively deal with NDP and Conservative complaints with Trudeau’s foreign policy, Trudeau spent much of his speech criticizing the Conservatives. He argued that “Conservative politicians are once again relying on the politics of division” and that the “Conservatives envision a world where Canada hectors from the sidelines—where we refuse to participate, but still expect a platform from which to shout.”

As the election season comes to a close, Trudeau may continue to keep the focus off of foreign policy. Notably, whereas Andrew Scheer, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May and NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh have signed up for the Oct. 1 Munk Leaders Debate on Foreign Policy, Trudeau has declined his invitation. The Munk Debate, though not an official debate organized by the Leaders’ Debate Commission, is the only Canadian electoral debate dedicated to foreign policy. As such, Munk could provide an opportunity for Trudeau to respond to opposition criticism and to more convincingly lay out the contours of future Liberal foreign policy—but he seems not to be interested.

Despite his decision to skip Munk, Trudeau won’t be able to avoid the foreign policy discussion entirely. Trudeau has already committed to the two official October election debates, and he can be sure that both Scheer and Singh will hammer him hard on the foreign policy file.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2019, 21:38:50 »
Driving past London drugs on Highway 97 in Vernon, noticed a few enterprising homeless chaps fastening a new ditch shelter made from Mel Arnold’s election signs. Sad.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2019, 22:45:23 »
I can't recall an election more suitably summed by this headline:

Election 2019 starts with voters uninspired by choices, so campaign will matter      LINK

For just that reason, I suspect that this may be my only post in this thread.  I'll just have to see how it plays out, while leaving the 'discussion' to the echo chamber diatribes and passive-aggressive responses of those who have it all figured out.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2019, 22:53:59 »
Some foreign media takes off the top ...
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2019, 18:10:15 »
macleans debate tonight.

Will be interesting to see the dynamic without JT there.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2019, 18:34:24 »
I got an unrequested campaign sign left on porch while I was out today.  Such littering shows not much concern about the environment.   :not-again:

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2019, 18:55:38 »
macleans debate tonight.

Will be interesting to see the dynamic without JT there.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2019, 19:06:42 »
You can bet much hay will be made about JT's absence. Whether it means anything remains to be seen. That being said, the Torries have to keep hammering the SNC issue.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2019, 19:13:14 »
You can bet much hay will be made about JT's absence. Whether it means anything remains to be seen. That being said, the Torries have to keep hammering the SNC issue.

Apparently they will still have a podium for Trudeau.  That will have an impact.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2019, 20:49:20 »

Interesting debate so far.  Singh is doing quite well.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2019, 23:25:51 »
You can bet much hay will be made about JT's absence. Whether it means anything remains to be seen. That being said, the Torries have to keep hammering the SNC issue.

The Tories need to come out with a solid platform and some positive messaging. Anyone whose vote was going to swing with scandal made up their mind months ago. Tactically, Scheer showed political immaturity in going off half-cocked in the early spring with shrill demands for resignation. He left himself nowhere further to take it. Show some actual leadership, and give Canada a sense of vision in the form of policies, legislative approaches, and viable, practical, and legal solutions to problems beyond “we want to be in power but aren’t”.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2019, 06:14:46 »
The stories need to come out with a solid platform and some positive messaging. Anyone whose vote was going to swing with scandal made up their mind months ago. Tactically, Scheer showed political immaturity in going off half-cocked in the early spring with shrill demands for resignation. He left himself nowhere further to take it. Show some actual leadership, and give Canada a sense of vision in the form of policies, legislative approaches, and viable, practical, and legal solutions to problems beyond “we want to be in power but aren’t”.

Well said.

And a lot of people are saying that.  Although Scheer performed ok last night he kept avoiding questions and tried to give canned messages about Trudeau regardless of what was being asked.  I get it, his tactic was to focus on JT but his party’s actual plan was lost in that noise. After last night I know a lot more about the green’s and NDP’s plans than I do the CPC’s. 
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2019, 07:06:11 »
The stories need to come out with a solid platform and some positive messaging ... Show some actual leadership, and give Canada a sense of vision in the form of policies, legislative approaches, and viable, practical, and legal solutions to problems beyond “we want to be in power but aren’t”.
Agreed - but in today's environment of social media weaponization, I suspect memes & other shrill demi-truths may sway more people than discussion of issues.  I read platform documents, but I'm guessing not many other people do.

And as for the stories coming out, if you mean the literal definition via MSM, all the candidates can control is what they say, not what's written/said.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2019, 10:54:50 »
Agreed - but in today's environment of social media weaponization, I suspect memes & other shrill demi-truths may sway more people than discussion of issues.  I read platform documents, but I'm guessing not many other people do.

And as for the stories coming out, if you mean the literal definition via MSM, all the candidates can control is what they say, not what's written/said.

It would be interesting to see research on voter susceptibility to different forms of messaging like this. I suspect that while things like memes and such produce a great deal of noise, most of it is probably expended within echo chambers and mostly just nods along with opinions already held. I have a great deal of people with different views on my Facebook, and I see both sides of this pretty loudly at times. My consistent observation has been that most of the shares and likes are by people whose political opinions have come across as quite crystallized for a long time already. I struggle to think of anyone where I've seen observable shift in political views that have manifested themselves that way. I suspect that among individuals whose votes are up for grabs, social media white noise is probably not a major factor.

Now, I'm not saying that memes and other online angstiness has zero impact. I expect it has some. But I'm leery of overselling the impact that echo-chamber clickbait has on the swayable votes.

Where I *do* think it may have an impact is in taking existent, firm views, and pushing them to be more crystallized and potentially extreme. I've seen few people change their views on social media. I've seen a whole lot from various political factions who've goten angrier, dumber, and more impermeable to other points of views, because increasingly their feeds get filled only with what they want to hear, and increasingly they are surrounded by people who will all mutually reinforce that anyone with 'other' views is (insert perjorative here).
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2019, 13:02:11 »
>Although Scheer performed ok last night he kept avoiding questions and tried to give canned messages about Trudeau regardless of what was being asked.

I suppose the CPC has "data" that tell the party it is an effective strategy.  This would be in spite of the conventional political wisdom that opposition parties must do more than hope to coast to victory on the voters' dislike of the incumbents.  This time it will be different, you see.  I thought they'd clue in after seeing how quickly the Ethics Commissioner's report disappeared from the news
cycle.  That, coupled with the following weeks of polling results, suggests that many minds are already made up with respect to how far perceptions of scandal are going to move the dial.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2019, 13:41:10 »
Sheer's greatest asset?

He doesn't look and act like that robot, Harper :)
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2019, 16:29:57 »
>Although Scheer performed ok last night he kept avoiding questions and tried to give canned messages about Trudeau regardless of what was being asked.

I suppose the CPC has "data" that tell the party it is an effective strategy.  This would be in spite of the conventional political wisdom that opposition parties must do more than hope to coast to victory on the voters' dislike of the incumbents.  This time it will be different, you see.  I thought they'd clue in after seeing how quickly the Ethics Commissioner's report disappeared from the news
cycle.  That, coupled with the following weeks of polling results, suggests that many minds are already made up with respect to how far perceptions of scandal are going to move the dial.

One would hope that they would stick to telling Canadians what they have to offer.  But hope is the first step towards disapointment.

I suspect they will do what they did last time and keep hammering blindly hoping it will have an effect.
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