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Offline Redhead8989

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2019, 06:49:54 »
I'm wondering if anyone can give me a proper breakdown of the pilot training?

I'm currently an NCM and looking to apply to UTPNCM this upcoming year. I'll have to go to St. Jean to finish BMOQ as I don't have PLQ. After I finish my degree what is after that?

I know there is an 8 month course in Moose Jaw followed by choosing your airframe type upon completion (fighter, multi-engine or rotary). I would like to rotary on the Cyclones (if possible).

What is the training for this path fir this route?

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2019, 10:28:37 »
PFT (Primary Flight Training) 
BFT (Basic Flight Training) 
AFT (Advance Flight Training) : awarded your Wings upon graduation
Posting to OTU (Operational Training Unit)

There are ideal lengths of time for each phase, but factors such as sick days, weather, aircraft repairs ect...can lengthen your personal experience.
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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2019, 14:14:26 »
Thanks! Any idea the lengths of each course? Or locations? All I could find on the forces site was 8 months in Moose Jaw.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2019, 23:50:18 »
Just out of curiosity, have you read through this and other relevant threads and still not been able to find out? If you haven't, I suggest that you do. You'll learn far more that way.

I went through this process a few decades ago, and some things have changed since then, but PFT (Musketeer - and I was on the first batch of Musketeers; there was a second buy when those wore out, and then the Slingsby Firefly, and now the Grob) was 2 to 2.5 months long, as was Basic Hel (Jet Ranger), and BFT (Tutor, then, and now Harvard) was ten months for those of us fortunate to go hel and a year for those not. Some of the hel guys are doing an extended Grob course now instead of flying the Harvard, which makes more sense.

Course times have likely not changed too much, but the gaps between courses has. When I went through, it was about a smooth two-year process, with only a few weeks between courses, plus six for Aeromedical, Land, and Sea Survival Training. I'm not sure what the current average is, but it's far less civilized. The OTU wait for one particular helicopter is about two years. Be patient, and bring a book.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2019, 10:51:59 »
Just thought I'd let every hopeful recruit know that the new DEO pilot numbers have been reduced to 16 for the fiscal year. I believe one person was already selected leaving 15 slots (94%).

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2019, 13:39:58 »
I am curious, where did you get this information ? It is quite a drop from what they announced earlier this year.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2019, 15:01:25 »
I am curious, where did you get this information ? It is quite a drop from what they announced earlier this year.

Heard a rumour so I called my recruiting centre to ask. They confirmed the drop in DEO Pilot intake numbers. No reason given as to why but I am guessing it might have to do with a training back log maybe? Or maybe they are hoping to entice back experience pilots with their new pilot retainment ideas that they are talking about and don't want to take on way more recruits if they can bring in experience people? Once again the reason is all speculation on my part but the numbers are correct as of at least 2 weeks ago.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2019, 17:48:43 »
The former far more than the latter, if for no more valid reason.

The latter will have no more effect that its two-decade-older precedent, and for the same reasons.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2019, 20:14:59 »
Another thing is that new trade coming out to fill the pilot desk positions will probably greatly
Reduce the positions available for pilots and thus, the recruiting numbers.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2019, 03:37:32 »
Another thing is that new trade coming out to fill the pilot desk positions will probably greatly
Reduce the positions available for pilots and thus, the recruiting numbers.

Air Ops isn't going to cut recruiting, it's just going (ideally) free up aircrew. Make good some of the shortages.

We're reducing New Wings Grad production for a few reasons. 1, Phase II was overloaded by the push the last 2 years (and ugly winter wx) and needs to unsurge. 2, it turns out a mass orgy of FOs and Wingmen with minimal hours was not the solution to the pilot shortage, and has just made more problems.

Fewer NWGs means fewer enrollees. Remains to be seen how long or drastic the slowdown is. Best of luck.
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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2019, 16:46:25 »
Was told from my CFRC that pilot numbers were shortened to a total of 16 for this year with 7 remaining as of today. Quite different from the 15 left from before, after waiting for so long I'm thinking of applying for the other aircrew trades now.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2019, 18:41:19 »
Was told from my CFRC that pilot numbers were shortened to a total of 16 for this year with 7 remaining as of today. Quite different from the 15 left from before, after waiting for so long I'm thinking of applying for the other aircrew trades now.

I know wait times differ drastically based on a great variety of factors but how long have you waited if you dont mind me asking?

I've only just joined the comp list in March and am just trying to get a "rough" idea of the expected wait time.. I assume that the wait just got longer if the above info is correct.

I was also wondering if anyone knows if I need to redo the target interview and pilot medical each year... I did my first job interview last August, my last medical in Toronto was November.

Thank you!

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2019, 20:20:07 »
I know wait times differ drastically based on a great variety of factors but how long have you waited if you don't mind me asking?

I've only just joined the comp list in March and am just trying to get a "rough" idea of the expected wait time. I assume that the wait just got longer if the above info is correct.

I was also wondering if anyone knows if I need to redo the target interview and pilot medical each year... I did my first job interview last August, my last medical in Toronto was November.

Thank you!

I got on the competition list earlier this year so in the same boat as you. You have to redo your interview and basic medical every year (so you'll have to redo your interview in August for example). I think the aircrew medical is good for two years though.
And it is very hard to give you a rough idea of the expected wait time. That depends on a lot of factors and how competitive the merit list is. Some people say if you get on the list it's just a matter of time but that is a very optimistic look. The competition list is just that, a ranked list of applicants that they will select starting with the most competitive. And who knows when they will select those pilots, they could select them all at the end of the year for all we know. So in the meantime keep physical and in good health, but also keep working on your personal life and career. That way if an offer comes, you are ready to go, but if one doesn't come anytime soon you haven't put your life on hold waiting. But if you want an idea of wait times, I know people that were selected for DEO pilot in 3 months, and I know someone who was selected after 3 years so who knows how long it'll take.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2019, 00:07:33 »
I know wait times differ drastically based on a great variety of factors but how long have you waited if you dont mind me asking?

I've only just joined the comp list in March and am just trying to get a "rough" idea of the expected wait time.. I assume that the wait just got longer if the above info is correct.

I was also wondering if anyone knows if I need to redo the target interview and pilot medical each year... I did my first job interview last August, my last medical in Toronto was November.

Thank you!

I got on the list early last year and been waiting since then. Waiting doesn't mean anything and the people who come after you can take the spot as it competitive so it's a good idea to have back-up plan if it doesn't work.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2019, 07:39:42 »
i also want to be a pilot but my parents dont allow me. How can i convince them?

Are you trolling?   Seriously, I don’t know of any adults who wouldn’t let their kids become pilots.

Anyway.  Let them know you are entering a profession that is in demand, well paid, and eventually you might be able to get them free flights (if you move on after your RCAF obligations)..   Plus you’ll be moving out of their house!

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2019, 10:21:36 »
If he's young enough to require parental consent, yes, that can be an obstacle - there are many otherwise intelligent parents who would not grant consent for their children to join the Armed Forces. He'd need a degree as well, which could mean consent for RMC.

RicoSalva - There is a Getting Parents Onboard (or something like that) thread somewhere on this Fine Site. I'd suggest a read through that for some ideas. I'd also suggest exploring other relevant threads as well. There is a ton of useful information here ripe for the plucking.

Flying training is extremely demanding. You may as well get used to doing homework by researching here. You'll also likely find answers to many questions before they even occur to you.

You have two choices, as I see it: Build a case so persuasive that your parents cannot refuse the necessary consent, or wait until you no longer require it.

It's worth whatever it takes. Well worth whatever it takes.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2019, 14:52:55 »
Does any one know how long is the wait between the training phase at the moment? Is there a lot of pilot candidate waiting on the list for PFT.? Thank you.


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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2019, 17:10:12 »
Does any one know how long is the wait between the training phase at the moment? Is there a lot of pilot candidate waiting on the list for PFT.? Thank you.

For DEO, yes. For CEOTP/ROTP, no.


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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2019, 17:23:58 »
First time poster here. I'm having trouble opening up some of the links to the anecdotal threads with answers to common questions (says I don't have permission to read them). Is it because I don't have any posts on this forum? 

I'm 39, a Canadian citizen living in the 'States, Bachelors degree in Business Administration, and my FAA PPL. I'll have my instrument rating completed in two months. If I pass all of these assessments, should I get to skip PFT or must I start to learn how to fly like I did 24 years ago? I'm  quite competent at the controls, own my own complex aircraft (Mooney), and fly regularly.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2019, 19:24:02 »
First time poster here. I'm having trouble opening up some of the links to the anecdotal threads with answers to common questions (says I don't have permission to read them). Is it because I don't have any posts on this forum? 

I'm 39, a Canadian citizen living in the 'States, Bachelors degree in Business Administration, and my FAA PPL. I'll have my instrument rating completed in two months. If I pass all of these assessments, should I get to skip PFT or must I start to learn how to fly like I did 24 years ago? I'm  quite competent at the controls, own my own complex aircraft (Mooney), and fly regularly.

You'll have to Phase I if you don't have a CPL or equivalent. Either way, you're going to have to relearn how to fly, on Phase I or Phase II. I thought civvie flying would prepare me...no way b'y.
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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2019, 21:22:01 »
Just so everyone is aware -

I spoke to my recruiter today and they said all pilot positions are filled until next fiscal year.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2019, 02:18:49 »
Just so everyone is aware -

I spoke to my recruiter today and they said all pilot positions are filled until next fiscal year.

I assume you declined the offer back in 2015 then? Have you been trying to get a pilot slot since? I'm just curious as you've been in the recruiting system for a decade.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2019, 09:11:27 »
Just so everyone is aware -

I spoke to my recruiter today and they said all pilot positions are filled until next fiscal year.

Confirming the above: A couple days ago my RC said that Pilot and ACSO positions were filled for this year.

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2019, 16:37:58 »
Just got a call from my recruitment center, they said all Pilot spots are full right through 2020, so any potential spots would only be for 2021 and won't hear about those for a while. So much for a pilot shortage

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Re: You Want To Be A Pilot : 2018 - present
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2019, 16:52:33 »
...a pilot ‘throughput’ shortage...