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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #500 on: September 20, 2019, 11:22:09 »
From the free sources I cared to look at it looked like the majority thought our gun control was sufficient and didn't want to change it. Of course that's not going to stop Trudeau.

On the bright side the chances of a picture of him doing something stupid with a gun in existence is pretty high.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #501 on: September 20, 2019, 11:50:23 »
Initial reports from a 1030EDT Liberal newser via The Canadian Press:
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Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau is promising to ban all military-style assault rifles as part of a broader gun-control plan that will also take steps towards restricting and banning handguns.

Trudeau is making the pledge in Toronto as he tries to get his campaign back on track after apologizing for wearing blackface years ago.

The Liberals also pledge to work with provinces and territories to empower municipalities to further restrict — or ban — handguns.

Trudeau is making the announcement in the city’s Greektown neighbourhood, where a gunman killed two people and wounded 13 others last year in a shooting rampage.

The party says it will protect the rights of law-abiding hunters and vows not to re-establish the controversial long-gun registry that was scrapped by the previous Conservative government.

The proposal also includes pledges to create a buy-back program for all legally purchased assault rifles and a two-year amnesty while the program is being set up.

Cross-posted this to the Election 2019 thread so the politics can be discussed there, and the mechanics of the proposals here.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #502 on: September 20, 2019, 12:37:45 »
In Canada, what constitutes an "assault rifle"?

If the definition is feature/configuration dependent, will removal of the offending features/configuration render a weapon "lawful"?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #503 on: September 20, 2019, 12:39:55 »
If the boy blunder gets in gun owners are royalty knackered.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #504 on: September 20, 2019, 12:40:19 »
Well PM Trudeau and the Liberal Party have now launched the opening salvo on the division of this once great nation of Canada. Fingers are crossed that the Canadian people are not duped into putting these charlatons back into power.
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« Reply #505 on: September 20, 2019, 12:49:13 »
Well PM Trudeau and the Liberal Party have now launched the opening salvo on the division of this once great nation of Canada. Fingers are crossed that the Canadian people are not duped into putting these charlatons back into power.

I noted his DIVISIVE comments in inaccurately stating the policy held by the Conservatives. 
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #506 on: September 20, 2019, 12:53:12 »
There will be a Liberal ban before there’s another gun ban.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #507 on: September 20, 2019, 12:59:48 »
There will be a Liberal ban before there’s another gun ban.

I disagree gun owners who care on this subject are already voting Conservative. This mobilizes the mass of likely ignorant people who think a Ban will make Canada safer.

It also deflects attention away from the Blackface issue and if Scheer is not careful he will get caught up in the pro-firearms argument effectively moving the Liberal campaign forward past this black face issue.

So sadly I still expect to see a liberal minority, our best hope is to block these motions before they become law.. cause our voters seem not to care.
Also, I am curious if they will try to ban the SKS too...

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #508 on: September 20, 2019, 13:12:10 »
If the boy blunder gets in gun owners are royalty knackered.

Maybe it'll be like New Zealand.  Turn up to turn your guns in and if you don't like the price and decide to leave the armed gentlemen at the back of the room will take your guns from you anyways lol
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« Reply #509 on: September 20, 2019, 13:22:28 »
I disagree gun owners who care on this subject are already voting Conservative. This mobilizes the mass of likely ignorant people who think a Ban will make Canada safer.

It also deflects attention away from the Blackface issue and if Scheer is not careful he will get caught up in the pro-firearms argument effectively moving the Liberal campaign forward past this black face issue.

So sadly I still expect to see a liberal minority, our best hope is to block these motions before they become law.. cause our voters seem not to care.
Also, I am curious if they will try to ban the SKS too...

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Conservatives are ahead in polls so far and the last time a gun ban was announced during an election was in 2005 when Harper won.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #510 on: September 20, 2019, 13:37:48 »
Conservatives are ahead in polls so far and the last time a gun ban was announced during an election was in 2005 when Harper won.

Unfortunately they are not ahead where it counts and for seat distribution.

That may change in the coming days but the latest Nanos poll sees no significant drop yet.

And that election was all about the Gomery report.  gun control played little or no role in that.

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #511 on: September 20, 2019, 14:06:24 »
1. "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapons" : does this mean all semi-autos or just "assault" semi-autos, and if the latter, wtf makes it an assault weapon vice a nongassault weapon?

2. I agree with Abdullah. Most of those who this pisses off the most were never going to vote liberal anyway. Of those who are on the fence about who to vote for (like me), there are probably very few who consider gun control or gun rights as one of their top priorities. That's also like me. I don't own a gun, but I support gun ownership in general, and I don't think we need this ban. That being said, will this decide my vote? Nope.

I think this is a win for the liberals. Not only does it move the message away form black face, but it could sway votes from ignorant voters on the left side of the spectrum.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #512 on: September 20, 2019, 14:09:27 »
1. "Semi-Automatic Assault Weapons" : does this mean all semi-autos or just "assault" semi-autos, and if the latter, wtf makes it an assault weapon vice a nongassault weapon?

2. I agree with Abdullah. Most of those who this pisses off the most were never going to vote liberal anyway. Of those who are on the fence about who to vote for (like me), there are probably very few who consider gun control or gun rights as one of their top priorities. That's also like me. I don't own a gun, but I support gun ownership in general, and I don't think we need this ban. That being said, will this decide my vote? Nope.

I think this is a win for the liberals. Not only does it move the message away form black face, but it could sway votes from ignorant voters on the left side of the spectrum.

You're still on the fence about voting Liberal?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #513 on: September 20, 2019, 14:20:27 »
You're still on the fence about voting Liberal?

It is not unreasonable depending on your intentions.  gun control one way or another won't sway my vote either.  I support gun owners and am ok with the laws we have.  But I have other issues that are more important than guns.  Same with defence.  it's white noise from both the liberals and the CPC as neither will keep their promises on that so I ignore their policies on that when vote time comes.

Campaigns matter.  the day of the election is what matters and that's when I will decide.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #514 on: September 20, 2019, 14:44:58 »
I'm not thinking about just gun control - this is really a small thing and not surprising. I meant in light of everything else.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #515 on: September 20, 2019, 15:11:11 »
I'm not thinking about just gun control - this is really a small thing and not surprising. I meant in light of everything else.

Don't want to derail this much but I'm still hoping for a weak LPC majority.  Scheer steps down and someone better steps up.  Trudeau government falls within a year and we get a better option for maybe two terms.  I don't want to see Scheer or Trudeau as PM.  So I'm thinking long game here.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #516 on: September 20, 2019, 15:32:34 »
Editing for decorum. I respectfully hope you don't get what you want  :nod:



I wonder where the liberal government will get the money for a buy back program.

This seems like a good time to look for some cheap gun deals and make some cash down the road. Do you have a pal/rpal?

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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #517 on: September 20, 2019, 15:36:49 »
Which police force is going to go on to FN land and disarm them of their "assault rifles" and other soon to be banned weapons.

I can't think of any officer I know that is prepared to face the two way range over that, and I would not support the army once again being asked to take up arms against people in our own country.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #518 on: September 20, 2019, 17:05:49 »
You're still on the fence about voting Liberal?

Yes. Yes, I am.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #519 on: September 20, 2019, 17:13:37 »
I’m not impressed with Bill Blair and the plan to ban handguns. Really.
How about using laws already on the books to incarcerate repeat offenders?


Oh I’m sorry.... I forgot they aren’t offenders they just perceive laws differently than we do.
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #520 on: September 20, 2019, 17:35:09 »
Great time to invest in real estate if you live in Carleton Place or anywhere in Renfrew or lanark as im pretty sure Ottawa will get on the handgun ban and some people will look to move lol.
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« Reply #521 on: September 20, 2019, 17:40:58 »
Yes. Yes, I am.

Cool cool. Gun owner?
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« Reply #522 on: September 20, 2019, 18:00:01 »
Great time to invest in real estate if you live in Carleton Place or anywhere in Renfrew or lanark as im pretty sure Ottawa will get on the handgun ban and Somme people will look to move lol.

Let's split on some land. We can be conservative & liberal land lords and make a reality tv show about it :)


News article is saying most guns are around $1500. Sure. Mine are between $2700-$3300 a pop. Just seen some atrs rifles for $4500-$5500. I think the Liberals are purposefully lowballing the cost estimate.

Do gun buy back programs take into account accessories? Optics? $2500 elcan spectre and $1600 acog would be pretty silly on a bolt action "hunting" rifle and essentially useless on most guns that will be permitted I'd guess.

There's around 4500 firearm businesses, about 2200 of them I believe are ammo only. Lots of these businesses cator to tactical shooting (not to mention all the gear and kit businesses).
Banning semi autos and probably pistols is going to cost a lot of jobs. Probably hundreds of millions in revenue too. Think there's a plan for that?

How many jobs was Trudeau talking about saying for the snc bs?
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #523 on: September 20, 2019, 18:14:25 »
Let's split on some land. We can be conservative & liberal land lords and make a reality tv show about it :)


News article is saying most guns are around $1500. Sure. Mine are between $2700-$3300 a pop. Just seen some atrs rifles for $4500-$5500. I think the Liberals are purposefully lowballing the cost estimate.

Do gun buy back programs take into account accessories? Optics? $2500 elcan spectre and $1600 acog would be pretty silly on a bolt action "hunting" rifle and essentially useless on most guns that will be permitted I'd guess.

There's around 4500 firearm businesses, about 2200 of them I believe are ammo only. Lots of these businesses cator to tactical shooting (not to mention all the gear and kit businesses).
Banning semi autos and probably pistols is going to cost a lot of jobs. Probably hundreds of millions in revenue too. Think there's a plan for that?

How many jobs was Trudeau talking about saying for the snc bs?

Meh I’m more of a red Tory rather than a liberal.  But a love it or list it type show might get some traction...

To be honest I don’t support the liberal gun law plan.  But it isn’t an issue that will sway me one way or another. 

My riding is currently Blue but has a real chance of going red.  Last time it was about a 1400 vote difference.  Like I said I want a weak LPC minority in order to usher in change in The CPC.  Means I might have to pull an Alpharius (I’m pretty sure you are the only one here who might get that reference).
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Re: The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0
« Reply #524 on: September 20, 2019, 18:24:10 »
Let's split on some land. We can be conservative & liberal land lords and make a reality tv show about it :)


News article is saying most guns are around $1500. Sure. Mine are between $2700-$3300 a pop. Just seen some atrs rifles for $4500-$5500. I think the Liberals are purposefully lowballing the cost estimate.

Do gun buy back programs take into account accessories? Optics? $2500 elcan spectre and $1600 acog would be pretty silly on a bolt action "hunting" rifle and essentially useless on most guns that will be permitted I'd guess.

There's around 4500 firearm businesses, about 2200 of them I believe are ammo only. Lots of these businesses cator to tactical shooting (not to mention all the gear and kit businesses).
Banning semi autos and probably pistols is going to cost a lot of jobs. Probably hundreds of millions in revenue too. Think there's a plan for that?

How many jobs was Trudeau talking about saying for the snc bs?

I feel you're pain, I stand to lose close to 40 firearms, including prohibits. You won't get top dollar that's for sure.
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