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Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« on: November 07, 2017, 09:31:08 »
Millennials are leading the stats suggesting more Canadians will attend Remembrance Day ceremonies this year. And CAF speaking programs may be a contributing factor. Good. 

http://torontosun.com/news/national/millennials-most-likely-to-attend-remembrance-day-ceremonies-poll

It seems that some older generations would rather just wear a poppy and not be bothered with attending a ceremony.

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 10:11:32 »
Saw that, I wonder if the spike is caused by members of that generation going to Afghanistan and therefore they can relate to those veterans?

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 11:06:11 »
Saw that, I wonder if the spike is caused by members of that generation going to Afghanistan and therefore they can relate to those veterans?

I'd suspect that was part of the case.  When I was in school, the Remembrance Day ceremonies always had a part where they emphasized that the fallen were mostly young men.  Now, they don't need to be reminded of that. 

I think social media has a part to play as well in raising awareness. 
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 17:51:31 »
The Toronto Sun offers an opinion of the Prime Minister being one who will be skipping the Remembrance Day ceremonies. 

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/1106-bonokoski

I hope/anticipate that the PM does find a way to appropriately mark the occasion at the appropriate local time.  But I can't disagree with the sentiment that 11 Nov is one of those days that the PM should be performing his public duty in Canada.

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 17:59:23 »
The Remembrance Day Speaker Programme at schools may well be a large influence. I've been participating in that for many years. Many of the kids who've been beneficiaries of that are now out in the wild.

I'll be at my old high School's service on Thursday, and addressing the Grade Ten History Class on Friday.

I get more out of it than they do, though.

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 18:12:32 »
Not surprised he's ditching his responsibilities like this.  Must be some awesome selfie opportunities there.
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 17:33:45 »
When I was in school, the Remembrance Day ceremonies always had a part where they emphasized that the fallen were mostly young men.  Now, they don't need to be reminded of that. 

When I was in school ( 1959-1972 ) most of our fathers had been in the war. On one side or the other.

My 21 year old uncle was MIA/KIA over Occupied France, so through my father and grand-parents I remembered.

Toronto back then had a much smaller population than it does now, and the 6,160 Torontonians killed in the World Wars and Korea were still remembered by many during my school years.

When I saw this street map many years later, the impact on the city - and other places across Canada - became more clear,
https://globalnews.ca/news/932833/griefs-geography-mapping-torontonians-killed-three-wars/

They must have been hanging crepe up and down the streets.

I think social media has a part to play as well in raising awareness.

No social media when I went to school. But, my grandmother showed me the Western Union telegrams.


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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2017, 20:40:57 »
Not surprised he's ditching his responsibilities like this.  Must be some awesome selfie opportunities there.

I was going to make a joke about Hanoi being picturesque but in hindsight it's not funny and neither is our PM jetting out of country before November 11th.

Cant help but think it's a calculated move to distance himself from the military.

Hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 21:49:49 »
The Toronto Sun offers an opinion of the Prime Minister being one who will be skipping the Remembrance Day ceremonies. 

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/1106-bonokoski

I hope/anticipate that the PM does find a way to appropriately mark the occasion at the appropriate local time.  But I can't disagree with the sentiment that 11 Nov is one of those days that the PM should be performing his public duty in Canada.

I agree with your sentiment but I will lay off him if shows up and attends in Hong Kong to pay homage to soldiers of the Winnipeg Grenadiers, The Royal Regiment of Canada and the rest of the soldiers from that debacle.
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 22:32:40 »
Agreed
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2017, 11:35:23 »
Going to my old high school to speak.  I've got the canned presentation, but then added picture and info at the end of every person I've known, in whatever form, that has died while in service since I've been in.  Also made a point of highlighting every casualty from my deployment - 18 deaths and 9 ramp ceremonies in 5 months.

The fact that there are still staff at the school that were working there when I was young, I think this current generation still has quite a link to everything that happened in the past 20 years.
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 15:25:48 »
The Toronto Sun offers an opinion of the Prime Minister being one who will be skipping the Remembrance Day ceremonies. 

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/1106-bonokoski

I hope/anticipate that the PM does find a way to appropriately mark the occasion at the appropriate local time.  But I can't disagree with the sentiment that 11 Nov is one of those days that the PM should be performing his public duty in Canada.

I agree with your sentiment but I will lay off him if shows up and attends in Hong Kong to pay homage to soldiers of the Winnipeg Grenadiers, The Royal Regiment of Canada and the rest of the soldiers from that debacle.

Not surprised he's ditching his responsibilities like this.  Must be some awesome selfie opportunities there.

I was going to make a joke about Hanoi being picturesque but in hindsight it's not funny and neither is our PM jetting out of country before November 11th.

Cant help but think it's a calculated move to distance himself from the military.

Hope I'm wrong.

I suppose it starts with the linked article opinion piece by Mark Bonokowski, but then, facts should never get in the way of expressing contrary opinions about those we dislike.  While Mr. Bonokowski seemingly went out of his way to avoid any mention of "why" the Prime Minister would not be attending Remembrance Day ceremonies in Ottawa this year, one would think that at least someone on these means would have previously stated that Mr. Trudeau is attending the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Economic Leaders (read head of state/government) meeting before they insinuated that the current Prime Minister must surely have chosen these dates to be away because of some lack of feeling for the military and veterans.  Maybe we should pop into the time machine and go back to the occasions (two . . maybe more?) that the previous PM was also away attending the same forum over the Nov 11 timeframe.  How many complaints were made about him?

The APEC meetings have always been scheduled in the Sept to Nov time frame.  This year's is scheduled 10-11 Nov; at least one previous used the same dates and there have been a few others when the dates for the conference either began/ended the day before or day after Remembrance Day.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if the other countries in APEC had such affection for the few (minority) countries in the group that recognize Nov 11 as a day of national recognition that they took it into account when scheduling.  Even among that minority a couple have a date that is of greater import in recognizing their war dead (Australia - ANZAC Day, USA - Memorial Day); wonder what reactions are in those countries about their leaders being away on the Eleventh.

I suppose PM Trudeau could just tell his fellow leaders in APEC to "go f*** themselves because he has to attend a ceremony for a couple of hours in Ottawa" and that Canada doesn't really care about trade in the Pacific Rim.  Yeah, that works for me.
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2017, 15:28:51 »
I agree with your sentiment but I will lay off him if shows up and attends in Hong Kong to pay homage to soldiers of the Winnipeg Grenadiers, The Royal Regiment of Canada and the rest of the soldiers from that debacle.

It was The Royal Rifles of Canada, not The Royal Regiment of Canada. Slip of the fingers, I'm sure.

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2017, 15:48:56 »
I suppose it starts with the linked article opinion piece by Mark Bonokowski, but then, facts should never get in the way of expressing contrary opinions about those we dislike.  While Mr. Bonokowski seemingly went out of his way to avoid any mention of "why" the Prime Minister would not be attending Remembrance Day ceremonies in Ottawa this year, one would think that at least someone on these means would have previously stated that Mr. Trudeau is attending the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Economic Leaders (read head of state/government) meeting before they insinuated that the current Prime Minister must surely have chosen these dates to be away because of some lack of feeling for the military and veterans.  Maybe we should pop into the time machine and go back to the occasions (two . . maybe more?) that the previous PM was also away attending the same forum over the Nov 11 timeframe.  How many complaints were made about him?

The APEC meetings have always been scheduled in the Sept to Nov time frame.  This year's is scheduled 10-11 Nov; at least one previous used the same dates and there have been a few others when the dates for the conference either began/ended the day before or day after Remembrance Day.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if the other countries in APEC had such affection for the few (minority) countries in the group that recognize Nov 11 as a day of national recognition that they took it into account when scheduling.  Even among that minority a couple have a date that is of greater import in recognizing their war dead (Australia - ANZAC Day, USA - Memorial Day); wonder what reactions are in those countries about their leaders being away on the Eleventh.

I suppose PM Trudeau could just tell his fellow leaders in APEC to "go f*** themselves because he has to attend a ceremony for a couple of hours in Ottawa" and that Canada doesn't really care about trade in the Pacific Rim.  Yeah, that works for me.

Well, you're not surprised either.  If l am, its because he has a valid hall pass.  Bet there's still some awesone selfie opportunities to be had nevertheless.   ;)
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 17:23:45 »
Going to my old high school to speak.  I've got the canned presentation, but then added picture and info at the end of every person I've known, in whatever form, that has died while in service since I've been in.  Also made a point of highlighting every casualty from my deployment - 18 deaths and 9 ramp ceremonies in 5 months.

The fact that there are still staff at the school that were working there when I was young, I think this current generation still has quite a link to everything that happened in the past 20 years.


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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2017, 19:03:48 »
I agree with your sentiment but I will lay off him if shows up and attends in Hong Kong to pay homage to soldiers of the Winnipeg Grenadiers, The Royal Regiment of Canada and the rest of the soldiers from that debacle.

Exactly what I was thinking, if his PR people were smart they work this in as a "surprise visit" to honour those troops. We will see if they are that smart.

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2017, 09:45:39 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/apec-trans-pacific-summit-leaders-1.4396312

I suppose PM Trudeau could just tell his fellow leaders in APEC to "go f*** themselves because he has to attend a ceremony for a couple of hours in Ottawa" and that Canada doesn't really care about trade in the Pacific Rim.  Yeah, that works for me.

It appears he cannot show to these important meetings either.  So much for his "needing to be there" argument, he doesn't seem to think he needs to be.  Guess he did indeed tell them to go f*** themselves.     :turkey:
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2017, 10:01:02 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/apec-trans-pacific-summit-leaders-1.4396312

It appears he cannot show to these important meetings either.  So much for his "needing to be there" argument, he doesn't seem to think he needs to be.   :turkey:
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2017, 10:22:25 »
I'm going to my first Remembrance Day Ceremony at the National War Memorial.
I am glad that the current PM will not be there.

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2017, 11:00:16 »
I didn't realize it was the PM's duty to be at the War Memorial downtown Ottawa on Remembrance Day every year without exception. I don't think the organizers of the APEC summit factored in the ceremonies at the war memorial into their planning cycle.

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2017, 11:21:01 »
I didn't realize it was the PM's duty to be at the War Memorial downtown Ottawa on Remembrance Day every year without exception. I don't think the organizers of the APEC summit factored in the ceremonies at the war memorial into their planning cycle.
I'm personally not concerned if he's there or not;  the ceremonies aren't about him (also I have several, more significant reasons to be unhappy with his governance).  I thought that the Sun opinion piece that started all this was a pretty pathetic effort, more appropriate to the Fox network.

My bashing in this thread is entirely because he's supposed  to be representing Canada at some high-stakes (for Canadian economy and employment) trade meetings;  given his previous lack of significant employment and his proclivity for selfies, I'm not remotely surprised that he considered the Facebook COO a more worthy use of his time.
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2017, 11:56:04 »
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I suppose PM Trudeau could just tell his fellow leaders in APEC to "go f*** themselves because he has to attend a ceremony for a couple of hours in Ottawa" and that Canada doesn't really care about trade in the Pacific Rim.  Yeah, that works for me.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/apec-trans-pacific-summit-leaders-1.4396312

ooops.
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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2017, 12:01:46 »
I'm personally not concerned if he's there or not;  the ceremonies aren't about him (also I have several, more significant reasons to be unhappy with his governance).  I thought that the Sun opinion piece that started all this was a pretty pathetic effort, more appropriate to the Fox network.

My bashing in this thread is entirely because he's supposed  to be representing Canada at some high-stakes (for Canadian economy and employment) trade meetings;  given his previous lack of significant employment and his proclivity for selfies, I'm not remotely surprised that he considered the Facebook COO a more worthy use of his time.

I'm not sure what the 'previous lack of significant employment' means.  Is this an example of fake news?

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2017, 12:11:01 »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/apec-trans-pacific-summit-leaders-1.4396312

It appears he cannot show to these important meetings either.  So much for his "needing to be there" argument, he doesn't seem to think he needs to be.  Guess he did indeed tell them to go f*** themselves.     :turkey:

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Re: Millennials leading increased Remembrance Day attendance
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2017, 12:38:59 »
My bashing in this thread is entirely because he's supposed  to be representing Canada at some high-stakes (for Canadian economy and employment) trade meetings;  given his previous lack of significant employment and his proclivity for selfies, I'm not remotely surprised that he considered the Facebook COO a more worthy use of his time.

Well, if you think teaching isn't significant employment... at least he's not a career politician like the leaders of the other two political parties.

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