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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #200 on: August 05, 2019, 20:33:55 »
Remembering the MAGA bomber ( sentenced to 20 years today ).

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MAGA Bomber’s Lawyers Blame Trump, Sean Hannity
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #201 on: August 05, 2019, 21:29:03 »
Some do,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Weapons_used

See also for weapons used,

List of mass shootings in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Weapons_used
Not one of the shootings on this list used a shotgun exclusively.


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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #202 on: August 05, 2019, 22:06:13 »
Meanwhile, while all attention was focused on these two incidents, seven people were killed and 46 others were wounded in shootings since Friday evening in Chicago.  There were two incidents of multiple shootings in that total.  So why aren't flags flying at half staff for them?  Answer:  that is a normal weekend in the summer.

That's Obama's home town yet nary a peep out of him.   

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #203 on: August 05, 2019, 22:19:05 »
Meanwhile, while all attention was focused on these two incidents, seven people were killed and 46 others were wounded in shootings since Friday evening in Chicago. 

Killed in gang retaliation attacks. Not extremist terrorism.

Next weekend, it will be their gang's turn to retaliate. And so on, and so on, and so on...



Looks like Chicago's homicide rate is decreasing. Maybe the gangs are running out of enemies to kill?

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Chicago murder rate drops for second year in a row
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/us/chicago-murders-drop-2018/index.html



Gangs don't ussually shoot everybody all in one place, all at the same time. More spread out. Not as dramatic.

Gang shootings are not hate crimes. It's their turf war. Business related.

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #204 on: August 05, 2019, 22:34:07 »
Excuse me. Maybe you should have used that word when you asked?
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #205 on: August 06, 2019, 08:47:57 »
Remembering the MAGA bomber ( sentenced to 20 years today ).
Another negative chit for Trump?
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #206 on: August 06, 2019, 10:11:11 »
Another negative chit for Trump?

Most people would not consider it a positive. It certainly fits into the category of Extremist Terrorism.

At any rate, he starts serving his 20 years today.

Looks like he could be described as a "fervent supporter".
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #207 on: August 06, 2019, 12:04:31 »
FBI:

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Anti-Government, Identity Based, and Fringe Political Conspiracy Theories Very Likely Motivate Some Domestic Extremists to Commit Criminal, Sometimes Violent Activity.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/local-fbi-field-office-warns-conspiracy-theory-driven-domestic-extremists-n1038441
The assessment noted that the document is the first from the FBI to analyze conspiracies and their connection to violent acts.


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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #208 on: August 06, 2019, 15:44:29 »
Regarding the garlic festival,

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FBI will open domestic terrorism investigation into Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting
https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-open-domestic-terrorism-investigation-gilroy-garlic-festival/story?id=64810428

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #210 on: August 12, 2019, 04:50:39 »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/norway-mosque-1.5243092

Shooting Mosques up is becoming a thing, I guess.

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #211 on: August 12, 2019, 18:20:46 »
If everything they own now and in the future can be jeopardized, it makes it much more difficult to recruit followers,

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White supremacists are being targeted by a law that took down the KKK
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/charlottesville-s-white-supremacists-are-being-targeted-law-took-down-ncna1041246
Suing those responsible for hate crimes has the potential to bankrupt and dismantle the groups at the center of this violent movement.

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #212 on: August 13, 2019, 08:30:20 »
If everything they own now and in the future can be jeopardized, it makes it much more difficult to recruit followers,
Sorry, but this assumes that possible recruits actually think about personal responsibility and/or consequences of their actions, whether immediate or long-term.

While even the authors acknowledge that "suing those responsible for hate crimes has the potential  to bankrupt and dismantle the groups," I have less faith in those embracing such hate;  if you're stupid enough to be a neo-Nazi, you're unlikely smart enough to picture future bankruptcy for your behaviour.*


* Or, clutching at their non-reality and denying responsibility, they'll whine "I wouldn't be bankrupt if those lesser non-whites had gone back to where they came from."  ::)
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #214 on: August 26, 2019, 09:06:14 »
              I wanted to address the warning I received for allegedly insulting an Islamic member. I want to say that while I respect all religions, it's a patent fact that many Christian and Islamic sites are built upon those which were forcibly confiscated from others. This is not only acknowledged but many times celebrated as a victory over the heathens. Until the two most genocidal faiths in human history fess up for their crimes and the majority of the rest stop covering for them under the guise of secularism or human rights, I think it is perfectly reasonable to be wary.

          Jews don't trust Nazis after all but the Nazi persecution ends in this lifetime, these genocidal faiths encourage and guarantee persecution to their enemies for all eternity.

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #215 on: August 26, 2019, 12:20:12 »
>Until the two most genocidal faiths in human history fess up for their crimes

Who is competent to make that apology, and will it close the issue?
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #216 on: August 26, 2019, 13:18:36 »
              I wanted to address the warning I received for allegedly insulting an Islamic member. I want to say that while I respect all religions, it's a patent fact that many Christian and Islamic sites are built upon those which were forcibly confiscated from others. This is not only acknowledged but many times celebrated as a victory over the heathens. Until the two most genocidal faiths in human history fess up for their crimes and the majority of the rest stop covering for them under the guise of secularism or human rights, I think it is perfectly reasonable to be wary.

          Jews don't trust Nazis after all but the Nazi persecution ends in this lifetime, these genocidal faiths encourage and guarantee persecution to their enemies for all eternity.

Excuse me, but your diatribe is getting old. "Poor me"

Victimhood is counter productive.

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #217 on: August 26, 2019, 15:01:07 »
>Until the two most genocidal faiths in human history fess up for their crimes

Who is competent to make that apology , and will it close the issue?

Canadas prime minister comes to mind.
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #218 on: September 16, 2019, 04:40:12 »
Excuse me, but your diatribe is getting old. "Poor me"

Victimhood is counter productive.
So is sanctimonious claptrap.
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #219 on: September 16, 2019, 22:09:38 »
From the U.S. government's Voice of America ...
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In June, Canada labeled the white supremacist group Blood & Honor and its armed branch, Combat 18, as terrorist organizations.

In announcing the move, Canada's public safety department said Blood & Honor derives its ideology from "the National Socialist doctrine of Nazi Germany" and, through Combat 18,  has carried out murders and bombings.

The designation of a white supremacist group as a terrorist organization, the latest of several by Western nations, comes as U.S. allies respond to a recent rise in violence committed by right-wing groups. But the U.S. government is powerless to take such action because of the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment protections, even though it would strengthen the hand of law enforcement agencies in cracking down on extremist groups. 

"A white supremacist organization is an ideology, it's a belief," assistant FBI Director Michael McGarrity testified before the House Homeland Security Committee in May. "But they're not designated as a terrorist organization."

Charging white nationalists

While prosecutors have successfully charged dozens of Islamic State sympathizers with providing "material support" to a foreign terrorist organization included on a government watch list, they can't bring similar charges against individual white nationalists.

But that could change if the U.S. starts adding groups such as Blood & Honor to its Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) list, experts and some lawmakers say. There are currently 68 groups on the U.S. watch list. Most are Islamist groups such as IS and al-Qaida. Not one is a white nationalist group. 

(...)

Democratic Congressman Max Rose of New York is one of the proposed designation's congressional champions.

"Terrorism is terrorism, and we have to fix that," Rose said at the hearing. "And the first step, I believe, is to start establishing some of these organizations as true foreign terrorist organizations."

Some Republican members also support the idea. 

"It's absolutely clear that white supremacism is the biggest problem, and we've got to go after that, and we have to address it," said Republican Congressman John Katko of New York.

( ... )

While designating foreign white supremacist groups as FTOs would allow the FBI to use additional investigative tools, there are limits to its benefits, cautioned retired FBI agent and national security expert David Gomez. 

"While I don't know if the FBI has any active investigations against organizations like Blood & Honor, it is an interesting question to ask, i.e., are the U.S. organizations taking direction from the potential [foreign terrorist organizations], or are they merely subscribing to their ideology?" Gomez said.

Labeling a group a terrorist organization for simply subscribing to a white supremacist ideology would run afoul of the First Amendment, Gomez said.

"That is the slippery slope that you have to worry about sliding down, because one man's terrorist is another man's patriotic nationalist," he said.
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #220 on: September 16, 2019, 23:36:23 »
So is sanctimonious claptrap.
Roger . Got it.

I shall learn in time to ignore trolls like you.

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #221 on: September 20, 2019, 22:36:33 »
Roger . Got it.

I shall learn in time to ignore trolls like you.

Good day sir.
I'm not trolling at all pointing out a crime that is regularly ignored or washed over is not victimhood.

Too often the problems of today can be traced to the past, and the people facing those problems are derided as inferior or pushed farther away from the cultures and traditions that once held them together.

In other words, the cultural imperialism that victimized them continues unabated sometimes under different names many times not.

That I speak in a belligerent tone is one thing, but I do not lie.

I also do not expect many to understand this whether due to age, disposition or ignorance. I believe they are the true victims of this imperialism of which I speak.

It is far better to realize you are oppressed and be able to fight it than lose connection with a majority of humanity under the guise of protecting some non-existant privilege.

I think ignorance many times arises out of fear. Fear that humanity is not as naive and good hearted as the comfortable would like to believe. Admitting a problem would somewhat become a call to action.

This is fine let those who act for justice reap the benefits and those who stay behind enjoy the emptiness of a material existence without morality.

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #222 on: September 25, 2019, 14:09:11 »
FYI

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U.S. Military Issues Warning to Troops About Incel Violence at Joker Screenings
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The U.S. Army confirmed on Tuesday that the warning was widely distributed after social media posts related to extremists classified as “incels,” were uncovered by intelligence officials at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #223 on: September 30, 2019, 16:12:35 »
This out from a think tank - interesting bit:  lotsa these guys seem to head to Ukraine to fight for the Ukrainians …
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From Pittsburgh to Poway and Charleston to El Paso, white supremacist extremists (WSEs) pose a clear terrorist threat to the United States. And while extremist groups operating on American soil are often labeled or categorized as domestic terrorist organizations, this report will demonstrate that they maintain links to transnational networks of like-minded organizations and individuals, from Australia, Canada, Russia, South Africa, and elsewhere. The danger of terrorism is growing in the United States, just as it is elsewhere in the world, with white supremacist extremists strengthening transnational networks and even imitating the tactics, techniques, and procedures of groups like al-Qaeda and the Islamic State (IS). These networks share approaches to recruitment, financing, and propaganda, with Ukraine emerging as a hub in the broader network of transnational white supremacy extremism, attracting foreign recruits from all over the world ...
According to the study, less than 10 Canadians have headed to UKR to fight for UKR and 4 for the pro-RUS rebel side between 2014 and June 1, 2019.  This is a different ratio than some countries (Germany, Belarus, Russia, Serbia, Moldova, etc.), who've seen more heading over to fight for the pro-RUS side than the UKR side.  More on who's from where in attached map.

Key findings:
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• White supremacy extremism (WSE) is a transnational challenge—its tentacles reach from Canada to Australia, and the United States to Ukraine—but it has evolved at a different pace in different parts of the world.

• To make serious progress, the United States should consider building upon Canada and the United Kingdom’s leadership by sanctioning transnational WSE groups as foreign terrorist organizations. U.S. Departments of State and Treasury terrorist designations could hinder the travel of terrorists into the United States; criminalize support to designated individuals and groups; block the movement of assets to those designated; and allow for the Department of Justice (DOJ) to prosecute individuals for providing material support to designated groups.

• While there are crucial differences between jihadis and white supremacy extremists, there are also important similarities and particular ways these groups feed off of each other, including:  the utility and cycle of violence; use of the internet; propaganda; recruitment; financing; and the transnational nature of the networks.

• White supremacy extremist groups and individuals accrue wealth through both licit and illicit sources of finance. WSEs also accrue, move, and store their wealth through various means but as payment processors curb access to their platforms, these groups have relied on cryptocurrency or other alternatives to fiat currency.

• WSE operational tradecraft has not significantly evolved over time and remains rooted in the use of conventional weapons, especially light arms. What has changed is the speed in which social media allows for the amplification and glorification of attacks.

• The rapid expanse of social media facilitates radicalization and recruitment within the white supremacy extremist domain. Spaces in which radicalized individuals can communicate and share content enable the development of a worldwide, rapidly expanding network of white supremacy extremists.

• Recruitment and radicalization goals within white supremacy extremism remain consistent over time, despite traditional methods of spreading propaganda diverging from more modern ones. Extremists intend to expand their influence and power through a variety of recruitment tactics, new and old.

• U.S. government efforts to combat the WSE threat remain lacking. The international community has also lagged in developing policies to counter white supremacy extremism. More resources, both financial and human, need to be directed at white supremacy extremism to curb its rise. Governments should review their terrorism laws to ensure that they are sufficiently updated to prosecute individuals who carry out acts of domestic terror.
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Re: Religious/Extremist Terrorism: Non-Muslim edition
« Reply #224 on: October 09, 2019, 23:26:35 »
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An armed gunman in Halle, Germany attacked people outside of a synagogue on Yom Kippur, killing two and injuring at least two others in the process. He livestreamed his attack on Twitch, during which he referred to himself as “Anon” (likely referencing 4chan or 8chan) and espoused far-right talking points. Now, the livestream platform has released a statement explaining how such an egregious violation slipped through its net.

On Twitter, Twitch outlined what happened from its perspective, opening with an acknowledgement that while it has a “a zero-tolerance policy against hateful conduct,” the stream nonetheless lasted 35 minutes, was viewed by five people while it was live, and was passed around to 2,200 people in the additional 30 minutes after it ended, before Twitch took it down. The issue, according to Twitch, is that the stream generated most of its heat off-platform.

“This account was created about two months prior to streaming the shooting and had attempted to stream only once before,” said Twitch. “This video was not surfaced in any recommendations or directories; instead, our investigation suggests that people were coordinating and sharing the video via other online messaging services.”

The company has since shared a version of the recording with an “industry consortium” to help stop it from spreading further.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/police-believed-killed-shooting-eastern-germany-66155503

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-synagogue-shooting-halle-grenade-reportedly-thrown-jewish-cemetery-today-2019-10-09/

https://twitter.com/Twitch/status/1182036266344271873
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