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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1550 on: September 16, 2019, 23:45:25 »
Good catch!

Maybe they're the "rank subtitles" to translate his Canadian rank - in case they don't get that 2 leaves = 2 stars?  :whistle:

I think the Brits did (do?) that when working with US forces too. 
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1551 on: September 17, 2019, 10:35:03 »
Nothing new in Combined Joint Ops...

#moveonnothingtoseehere

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1552 on: September 17, 2019, 16:02:00 »
Why is it not everyone then?   Why not just go with the US equivalent ranks while deployed...wouldn't want anyone to be confused.

Canadian uniform should = Canadian rank.  I'm not a fan of the "I'm special!" Club...
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1553 on: September 17, 2019, 16:37:43 »
From what I saw in coalition theatre it was not as much an I’m special as a WTF are you?  Just take a look at NATO rank insignia charts it’ll be evident that there could be confusion (look at Norway for example and see how a LCol could look like a MGen, etc.).  No doubt there is the spectrum of “Meh...” to “Preposterous!!!”

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1554 on: September 17, 2019, 17:04:50 »
I don't disagree that there is a huge variance in equal ranks in coalitions, but my own time in the IMPACT theatre was spent on a coalition base as well with Canadian, US, Kuwait, British, Spanish, and other countries all occupying a (somewhat small) shared space.  None of the Canadian GOFOs (I served under several JTF-I Commanders), Senior Officers Task Force CWOs, etc sported non-Canadian ranks.

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1555 on: September 17, 2019, 17:22:06 »
Nothing new in Combined Joint Ops...

#moveonnothingtoseehere

It just hurt my RCR eyes is all.

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1556 on: September 17, 2019, 21:11:21 »

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1557 on: September 18, 2019, 08:40:37 »
Nothing new in Combined Joint Ops...

#moveonnothingtoseehere
Just imagine if some people had nothing to whine about...   ;)
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1558 on: September 18, 2019, 14:25:18 »
Just imagine if some people had nothing to whine about...   ;)

Just imagine if the CAF most senior leadership followed the orders, regs, policies they expect their subordinates to abide by and enforce... ;)

American ranks, sleeves neither rolled/not rolled up, GOFOs who aren't aircrew wearing flying suits (more so when there is a severe shortage), wearing berets vice wedge in No 1 order of dress...I could go on.  If all of these things are okay, make the changes in the Dress Instr's for the CAF.  Not just the I'm Special Club.
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1559 on: September 18, 2019, 14:31:17 »
Do we know that MGen Fortin’s ‘stars’ aren’t covered in a relevant instruction (be it OP-specific, amendment to a Standing Order, etc.)? 

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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1560 on: September 18, 2019, 22:08:47 »
GOFOs who aren't aircrew wearing flying suits (more so when there is a severe shortage)

Wait what?
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Re: Op IMPACT: CAF in the Iraq & Syria crisis
« Reply #1561 on: September 19, 2019, 16:11:13 »
Wait what?

Hard to stop people when the example is being set at the top, isn't it?  It's even worse when there are known shortages and people who aren't even aircrew and are so far removed from a flight line are wearing them...."because".  It's hard to understand in your head why there are "no flight suits in the system" when you see all the office commando's and HCol's in them, and they're not wearing shabby, falling apart ones...meanwhile, some flyers don't have 2 good ones.  I've got nothing against HCol's but...they don't need flight suits, sorry.  CADPAT would do just fine.

If anyone is thinking "hey, maybe MGen Harris was in a flying position at one time...", you can read her service history here.   I don't see any indication she was ever badged as air or flight crew, and she doesn't wear the AWAC flight crew badge on her DEU.

Show up at the next parade in No 1 with a beret on...nothing should be said, right?  Because...https://ml-fd.caf-fac.ca/en/2018/09/19297

If there is a *rank and file people who are tired of the high paid help failing in their "lead by example" duties*...this should be moved to that thread. 
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