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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2017, 12:48:26 »
Since the attack occurred there has been a lot of progress in training officers on C8s and acquiring the weapons for issue to on duty officers.
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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2017, 15:31:18 »
It's too bad they can't force them to spend the $1M on fixing the problem, rather then a fine (which really is just an electronic shuffle of non-existent funds anyway). 

Really don't understand what all the delays are about; if we can make however many recruits a year competent enough to hit a target, do all the weapon drills and field strip it in the dark while hammering away at them in basic (even uncoordinated ones like me), this should be a pretty easy task for police that are already familiar with firearms.

Since one of the problems that the RCMP raised in defending its indefensible position was a lack of funds to buy carbines and body armour, a fine would at best be counterproductive.

I also question whether one can "make" them to fix the problem. When one reads the decision it's abundantly clear that the problem here was (and remains) a senior leadership that didn't give enough of a **** to assign the resources necessary to the problem once it was made clear to them that it existed (much less significantly earlier when they should have appreciated that the problem existed) in order to deliver a relevant and timely solution. These bozos didn't (and still don't) pay enough attention to the issues that their front line cops have to deal with. They are not proactive but dismally reactive. Instead they seem to spend their time on bureaucratic games within Ottawa and abrogate their role as leaders in favour of avoiding developing a vision for the future and making hard decisions by lengthy cover-your-*** consensus building processes.

I'm not a supporter of bringing in outside civilian leadership--because I'm sure that would make the situation worse--but the RCMP senior leadership needs a major shakeup. :2c:

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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2017, 15:46:24 »
Since one of the problems that the RCMP raised in defending its indefensible position was a lack of funds to buy carbines and body armour, a fine would at best be counterproductive.

I also question whether one can "make" them to fix the problem. When one reads the decision it's abundantly clear that the problem here was (and remains) a senior leadership that didn't give enough of a **** to assign the resources necessary to the problem once it was made clear to them that it existed (much less significantly earlier when they should have appreciated that the problem existed) in order to deliver a relevant and timely solution. These bozos didn't (and still don't) pay enough attention to the issues that their front line cops have to deal with. They are not proactive but dismally reactive. Instead they seem to spend their time on bureaucratic games within Ottawa and abrogate their role as leaders in favour of avoiding developing a vision for the future and making hard decisions by lengthy cover-your-*** consensus building processes.

I'm not a supporter of bringing in outside civilian leadership--because I'm sure that would make the situation worse--but the RCMP senior leadership needs a major shakeup. :2c:

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I think there's a reason one of the senior Mounties who was actually pushing hardest to see necessary things happen is no longer a Mountie, and is instead now chief of Edmonton Police...

Commissioner Paulson's statements on the stand during the trial were absolutely appalling. He sold members down the river.
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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2018, 19:52:30 »
As a perhaps final chapter on this awful story- tomorrow Her Excellency Julie Payette will be decorating ten members, three posthumously, with the Medal of Bravery for their actions during the shooting. At least that I know of is a former CAF member.

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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2019, 19:11:43 »
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Four RCMP officers who responded to the 2014 shootings in Moncton, N.B., that claimed the lives of three of their colleagues are suing the attorney general of Canada for negligence.

Mathieu Daigle, Martine Benoit, Robert Nickerson and Shelly Mitchell say in the filings they were inadequately trained and outfitted with only their pistols to deal with a heavily armed shooter using a military-style rifle on June 4, 2014.

In statements of claim filed with the Court of Queens Bench dated last week, the four say they suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder and other ailments and are seeking damages to be determined by the court.

 C8 carbine rifles were not available to general duty officers during the shooting spree in Moncton, despite being approved for use in 2011. Their introduction was delayed on several occasions.

"The Plaintiff alleges that the negligence of the RCMP resulted in a situation where he was unequipped to engage the armed assailant, putting his life and the life of his colleagues at extreme risk," Daigle's statement of claim reads.

The four say a Sept. 29, 2017 conviction of the RCMP on Canada Labour Code charges made clear that the police force did not act with due diligence in the rollout of carbines for members, putting their lives at risk ...
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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2019, 19:28:45 »
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Good, they deserve compensation on this. If the RCMP is smart they’re already prepared to sit down and discuss dollar figures- large ones. Hard to walk away from civil liability when you’ve already eaten a criminal conviction for the same negligence. I’m only surprised the number is limited to four.
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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2019, 09:03:44 »
Yeah. Been hearing that large numbers had to be transferred out. That’s second hand and quite unverifiable, but it comes from the ground in Moncton.

Good for them. They deserve every penny they can get and more. The organization and a few at the top but outside need to have their feet held squarely to the fire over this.

We have not had a Canada Labour Code case with any real blowback yet and I had been hoping this would be the one when the charges were originally filed.
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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2019, 14:30:18 »
Good, they deserve compensation on this. If the RCMP is smart they’re already prepared to sit down and discuss dollar figures- large ones. Hard to walk away from civil liability when you’ve already eaten a criminal conviction for the same negligence. I’m only surprised the number is limited to four.

Would there be benefit to letting this play out rather than settling?
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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2019, 14:33:39 »
Would there be benefit to letting this play out rather than settling?

Not really. It played out already in criminal court. This is just paying the piper.
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Re: 04 June 2014: Shootings in Moncton NB, Three RCMP dead
« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2019, 14:36:15 »
Copy.

I'm also on the "fully support the plaintiff's" bench on this. 
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