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Re: Re: The Next Conservative Leader
« Reply #75 on: May 28, 2017, 23:55:09 »
Not really. The Supreme Court merely trashed the law of the time, and nobody's dared/bothered to replace that legislation since then, so it's just a free-for-all.


I'd disagree.  The Morgentaler case pretty much summed up the end to waspy men deciding what was right or wrong for my vagina and made it "my" choice.  This woman is extremely thankful for that.

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Re: Re: The Next Conservative Leader
« Reply #76 on: May 29, 2017, 00:27:16 »
The Morgentaler case pretty much summed up the end to waspy men deciding what was right or wrong for my vagina and made it "my" choice.  This woman is extremely thankful for that.

The persons with the most stake in this matter, those who most deserve a choice, are completely deprived of that choice. They would not likely be so thankful, were they able to express themselves.

There are many women who are pro-life as well, and also not as thankful for that decision as some others.

And every living person should be thankful that their mothers did not choose to end their lives prematurely.

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Re: Re: The Next Conservative Leader
« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2017, 01:16:23 »
And every living person should be thankful that their mothers did not choose to end their lives prematurely.

However, would they know otherwise?
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Re: Re: The Next Conservative Leader
« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2017, 02:12:40 »
There are many women who are pro-life as well, and also not as thankful for that decision as some others.

And that is their choice.  That's the trick.  Our bodies - Our choice.  I've never had to make that choice, but I am damn thankful it's mine to make.  That personal choice bears no political stripe. 

Imagine if women put into law that all 'ye men shall have vasectomies to ensure no abortions occurred.
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Re: Re: The Next Conservative Leader
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2017, 06:29:28 »
Imagine if women put into law that all 'ye men shall have vasectomies to ensure no abortions occurred.

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Re: Re: The Next Conservative Leader
« Reply #80 on: May 29, 2017, 06:57:30 »
And that is their choice.  That's the trick.  Our bodies - Our choice.  I've never had to make that choice, but I am damn thankful it's mine to make.  That personal choice bears no political stripe. 

Imagine if women put into law that all 'ye men shall have vasectomies to ensure no abortions occurred.

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As a man I have absolutely no business telling a woman how and what to do with her body and her health, unless I'm her physician.  I'll leave that nonsense to the Taliban and other like folks who like to interfere.
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Re: Re: The Next Conservative Leader
« Reply #81 on: May 29, 2017, 10:19:46 »
And that is their choice.  That's the trick.  Our bodies - Our choice.  I've never had to make that choice, but I am damn thankful it's mine to make.  That personal choice bears no political stripe. 

Imagine if women put into law that all 'ye men shall have vasectomies to ensure no abortions occurred.

When you remove the "A" word and look at it from a view of competing rights, how we legally determine when life begins is legally "neat" but not based on any science. I used to be completely pro-life, now having watched my daughters in the wombs on ultrasound and felt them create a bit of a personality even in the womb, I have a somewhat modified view. I personally believe that by the third trimester the fetus should be gaining some rights, which would effect it's standing in society with the mother and father as well. Changing the "beginning of life" opens up a whole host of issues, including child support, care of the unborn, etc.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/can-a-child-die-before-it-is-born

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2017, 09:04:47 »
So according to the current government of the day there can be no nuances in opinion? Can a woman be personally against abortion but is okay with a woman's right to choose? Does that make her pro or anti choice?

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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2017, 09:49:03 »
So according to the current government of the day there can be no nuances in opinion? Can a woman be personally against abortion but is okay with a woman's right to choose? Does that make her pro or anti choice?

I fall into the category you have stated. For me personally, I don't feel it's an option. But I feel very strongly that every woman's body is her own and I am in absolutely no position to judge another's decisions. Whether I agree or not is irrelevant. It's not my life and I certainly have my own history of **** that others would be highly critical of. So, I guess that makes me pro choice?
 
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2017, 09:54:55 »
I certainly have my own history of **** that others would be highly critical of.

 We are not judgemental here. :)

Speaking of abortion, how's this for hypocrisy? Saw it in yesterday's news,

5 Oct 2017
Anti-Abortion Congressman Resigns After Allegedly Urging Mistress to Get an Abortion
http://time.com/4971442/tim-murphy-congress-resignation/
(WASHINGTON) — Republican Rep. Tim Murphy of Pennsylvania, an anti-abortion lawmaker who allegedly urged his mistress to have an abortion when he thought she was pregnant, is resigning from Congress.
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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2017, 11:03:27 »
We are not judgemental here.  :)


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Re: Politics in 2017
« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2017, 15:10:42 »
So according to the current government of the day there can be no nuances in opinion? Can a woman be personally against abortion but is okay with a woman's right to choose? Does that make her pro or anti choice?

Your confusing "free thinking" with "right thinking".
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