2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[brihard]

I think there is a difference. A real bona-fide expert standing in front of you is allowable. Having someone say "Experts are saying so and so about you" and then not being able to identify those experts when asked, is wrong.

Yup, totally fair.

It shows lack of prep and knowledge on the subject of the question, by the reporter. Especially if you know the supposed facts of the question are false. PP wasn't punching down or being mean to a obnoxious reporter by trying to establish the facts. That reporter, who kept speaking over him, ignoring his questions and just kept repeating her false narrative got everything she deserved. Maybe next time she'll be factual and more polite when she has to ask a question. I know if it were me in PP's position the reporters acting like this would face a frosty day in hell before I called on them, or their outlet again.

I haven't seen the PP / reporter exchange in question, I can't speak to it. I accept what you're saying at face value.

 

[ArmyRick]

How is Michael Mann not an expert? His "hockey stick" analysis is one of the most replicated studies in science

In case I forget, remind me. I will put several podcast and interviews with some of his colleagues who will explain how he BS'd that graph. It might have to be over in the Climate thread though

 

[ArmyRick]

How is Michael Mann not an expert? His "hockey stick" analysis is one of the most replicated studies in science

In my opinion, Michael Mann is as trustworthy in climatology as the late Ancel Keys was in human nutrition (who mislead the entire western civilization on fat)

Egos get in the way of both of these men and their objectivity

 

[suffolkowner]

In my opinion, Michael Mann is as trustworthy in climatology as the late Ancel Keys was in human nutrition (who mislead the entire western civilization on fat)

Egos get in the way of both of these men and their objectivity

theres no doubt that he has a huge ego. That isnt unusual. Theres also no trust necessary

 

[ArmyRick]

theres no doubt that he has a huge ego. That isnt unusual. Theres also no trust necessary

Do you want those videos PM or posted on climate thread. Warning, they are long as F

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Sitting in a training session with a whole bunch of climate specialist who were bitching at how everyone and their dog uses "Climate Change" as their excuse for piss poor planning. This was as the major "Atmospheric River" was hitting BC. Even they admitted that there was no evidence to suggest it was linked to Climate Change. Atmospheric Rivers used to be called the "Pineapple Express" due to the warm moist air coming from the area around the Hawaiian Islands.

 

[TacticalTea]

That would put 6 to 7 Billion back in our pockets. Its a start.

Then start slashing. Use a back to basics approach.

Lets see... Where to start in this list...

Departments and agencies - Canada.ca

Here is an alphabetical list of links to current Government of Canada Departments, Agencies, Crown Corporations, Special Operating Agencies and other related organizations.

www.canada.ca

AFUEIRA!

 

[Brad Sallows]

Sitting in a training session with a whole bunch of climate specialist who were bitching at how everyone and their dog uses "Climate Change" as their excuse for piss poor planning. This was as the major "Atmospheric River" was hitting BC. Even they admitted that there was no evidence to suggest it was linked to Climate Change. Atmospheric Rivers used to be called the "Pineapple Express" due to the warm moist air coming from the area around the Hawaiian Islands.

Every weather event is exploited as an opportunity to push climate warming. Too many cold days, too many hot days, too much precipitation, too little precipitation. There does not seem to be any kind of uncommon weather which is evidence against climate warming.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Every weather event is exploited as an opportunity to push climate warming. Too many cold days, too many hot days, too much precipitation, too little precipitation. There does not seem to be any kind of uncommon weather which is evidence against climate warming.

Sure is. They tried to do that with the fires in NS and then it came out they were all human set.

 

[suffolkowner]

In case I forget, remind me. I will put several podcast and interviews with some of his colleagues who will explain how he BS'd that graph. It might have to be over in the Climate thread though

Do you want those videos PM or posted on climate thread. Warning, they are long as F

Not sure why I would watch a video when I can just read the research articles or reviews directly? Why the focus on Mann his original paper is essentially irrelevant now as it has been supplanted by 64 newer ones? Its like mentioning Wallace when talking about evolution

 

[Brad Sallows]

Why the focus on Mann his original paper is essentially irrelevant now as it has been supplanted by 64 newer ones?

When it first emerged, it was "the smoking gun" and was widely touted as the proof of all proofs of what climate alarmists wanted to show. It's still an icon to them, and - if you accept its premises (explicit and implicit) - one of the strongest images for telling the climate warming story.

 

[dimsum]

So, my limited understanding is that the the difference this time is the rate of change due to Industrialization, not the amount of change.

Scientists agree that the Earth was hotter or colder in the past, and that it shifts. However, those shifts take eons, whereas it’s been just over 250 years since the Industrial Revolution.

 

[suffolkowner]

When it first emerged, it was "the smoking gun" and was widely touted as the proof of all proofs of what climate alarmists wanted to show. It's still an icon to them, and - if you accept its premises (explicit and implicit) - one of the strongest images for telling the climate warming story.

its importance is only historical at this point one references for that reason only. It has been supplanted by many more and newer studies. In what other world does one discuss old research over new. The very thought process is indicative of something

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Can we get back to the subject of the thread please? We have a huge climate action thread that would be more topical to this tangent.

 

[Good2Golf]

Can we get back to the subject of the thread please? We have a huge climate action thread that would be more tRopical to this tangent.

FTFY

 

[Brad Sallows]

"Tropical" aspects of the thread are confined to bitching about where the party leaders spend too much time.

 

[suffolkowner]

Can we get back to the subject of the thread please? We have a huge climate action thread that would be more topical to this tangent.

Its not really a climate change discussion but a diversion from the thread into the matter of expertise. Mann was brought up as an example

 

[Kirkhill]

So, my limited understanding is that the the difference this time is the rate of change due to Industrialization, not the amount of change.

Scientists agree that the Earth was hotter or colder in the past, and that it shifts. However, those shifts take eons, whereas it’s been just over 250 years since the Industrial Revolution.

Actually there is considerable debate about the rate of change in the geological record as well. There is evidence for both gradual change and cataclysmic change. Which is the position that makes sense to me. The sun shines, the wind blows and the rain falls every day. Volcanoes, earthquakes and asteroids happen occasionally. Ice ages happen cyclically and "spring" thaws and catastrophic failures of ice dams happen periodically.

In other words - stuff happens.

 

[Good2Golf]

"Tropical" aspects of the thread are confined to bitching about where the party leaders spend too much time.

…although technically not relevant to this guy’s thread…but definitely the other guy, the one ‘just having a friend host him, like many other Canadians’

 

[Quirky]

Poilievre says female spaces should be exclusively for females, 'not for biological males'

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre agrees with restricting trans women from female sports categories and accessing “women-only” spaces.

nationalpost.com

Finally some common sense in all this lunacy.