Brad Sallows
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Good to know where everyone stands.
Remains found at Kamloops residential school 'not an isolated incident,' Indigenous experts and leaders warn
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Good to know where everyone stands.
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Constitutionally speaking, that's true, but if Indigenous reserve members are also considered citizens of each province*, there's a certain level of responsibility there to serve provincial citizens, too. There's approximately a range of responses from "happy to offer help & support with the local government's consent" all the way to "reserve land = fed land = zero provincial responsibility - talk to Ottawa", with various positions in between.
* I add a tiny caveat here because in the range of Indigenous folks I know, there are very few who live off reserve who feel the provincial government is not "their" government because it was the federal Crown who signed the Treaties - not many, but still more than zero.
This guy brings up a good perspective and a good argument. That's the sort of thing and ideas that should be capitalised on.
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It would be super interesting if he were to throw his name in the hat for leader of the BC Liberals….
I’ve never heard of him until now. Is he someone that’s well known there?
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He has been slowly building a name for himself. I think he is actually the real deal and if took the leadership of the BC Liberals, he could conceivably run the table on both the NDP and the Greens.
OldSolduer
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A voice of reason and sense. He'll be railroaded by the others who feel he's a threat. Sorry about the dim view but I have zero faith in our system where good people are "witch hunted" and burnt at the stake (figuratively) to satisfy the ego of the fair haired boy.
I think the appetite for common sense & reason is hungry enough that views like his will resonate with most.
However, I have no doubt the media will find a few of their ideal morons to share their opinion, and somehow trick us into thinking it’s ‘news’.
daftandbarmy
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Nope. He's invisible right now.
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Didn't take The Beaverton very long: "Catholic church asked to keep in mind the good arson has done"
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So, if one was to replace “Church” with ”Mosque” in that article, how well would that play? How okay have people been with churches being burnt down in the southern US?
Sure, the Catholic Church as an institution, is a big fat target right now, but if this behaviour is normalized, where does it end?
Arson is wrong. Period.
OldSolduer
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Amen brother - yes I am being facetious.
Arson is wrong and I've heard very little about said arsons and I suspect we will not hear much.
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Sure, arson is wrong, but it's satirizing the proposition that when condemning residential schools, we should think of all the good things that they did, which is BS. If the residential schools were run by Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or whatever and they had similarly acted oblivious to the damage it's caused I don't think people would feel too sorry if a few of their mosques or temples burned down either. But they weren't involved, so that's a bit of irrelevant whataboutism to deflect from the long running institutional failing of the Catholic Church. They've found over a 1000 graves now but I'm sure there are thousands more tiny broken skeletons buried in holes in the ground.
This is the same organization that has yet to apologize or pay the fairly paltry $25M in damages they agreed to to compensate victims. Sure, it wasn't these individual churches but the anger against the organization didn't come out of nowhere. They are the biggest land owner in the world, have assets worth billions, and a fairly lucrative bank.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/critics-blast-catholic-church-1.6086030
Similarly, they are still protecting child molesters from prosecution. Must have missed the part of the bible were murder, violent sexual and physical abuse of children was totally cool once someone served their contrition and didn't need reported to legal authorities. The organization has yet to make any real public contrition or make real changes to bring any of these criminals to justice.
They've f*d around for a few millennia and are starting to find out. Probably lots of relevant bible quotes along the lines of 'reaping what you sow', and also 'protecting the children' that are worth pondering, and they lost any claim of being viable moral authorities long ago.
Plenty of practicing Catholics that do a lot of good in their communities, and really live the basic tenets of the Golden Rule, but doesn't change the fact that the institution is completely rotten. Plus, fun story, if you read the bible, Jesus was preaching against exactly the kind of golden temples with idols that is exactly what a lot of the big Cathedrals are, so it strayed from it's roots about 1700 years ago, which is around when Constantine decided it was easier to win the church over via bribery of the priesthood than fight the zealots.
Blackadder1916
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The disclaimer from The Beaverton
So when is satire appropriate on this site, either member generated or quoted and linked?
The Beaverton has fallen down on the job. Were they not aware that religious building arsonists are entitled to equal representation under News Media Council guidelines? Or are the arsonists to blame for not targeting non-Christian places of worship enough? We have to go back to 2015 for a mosque arson piece from The Beaverton.
Am I being an arsehole? Definitely and deliberately. But on a few recent occasions there have been links/quotes from satire sites that have targeted political figures and (unless one actually searched and discovered that it was satire) could easily have been taken at face value as the true words of an unliked political figure and no effort was made to correct any errors or to draw attention to "satire". Now, I will agree that arson is wrong. Having been raised in a Newfoundland Irish Catholic tradition, it is only natural that I lack any belief in the Church's teaching or have any respect for the institution. But it would be an unusual event for me to cheer the conflagration of a Catholic owned building . . . the last time was December 1969 and it was a school, not a church.
daftandbarmy
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182 more....
A First Nation in B.C.'s South Interior says 182 unmarked gravesites have been discovered near the location of a former residential school.
The community of ʔaq'am, one of four bands in the Ktunaxa Nation and located near the city of Cranbrook, B.C., used ground-penetrating radar to search a site close to the former St. Eugene's Mission School, the Lower Kootenay Band announced Wednesday.
According to the band, the findings indicated the graves were shallow, about a metre deep.
"You can never fully prepare for something like this," said Chief Jason Louie of the Lower Kootenay Band, which is a member of the Ktunaxa Nation.
The finding adds to the growing tally of unmarked burial sites discovered near residential schools across Canada in the past month, including 215 in Kamloops and 751 in Saskatchewan.
St. Eugene's Mission School was operated by the Catholic Church from 1912 until the early 1970s. The building has since been converted into a golf resort and casino owned by the Ktunaxa Nation.
The Lower Kootenay Band says up to 100 of its members were forced to attend the school.
"It is believed that the remains of these 182 souls are from the member Bands of the Ktunaxa Nation, neighbouring First Nations communities and the community of ʔaq'am," read a media release from the band.
182 unmarked graves discovered near residential school in B.C.'s Interior, First Nation says
Ground-penetrating radar used to search near St. Eugene's Mission School, says Lower Kootenay Band
A First Nation in B.C.'s South Interior says 182 unmarked gravesites have been discovered near the location of a former residential school.
The community of ʔaq'am, one of four bands in the Ktunaxa Nation and located near the city of Cranbrook, B.C., used ground-penetrating radar to search a site close to the former St. Eugene's Mission School, the Lower Kootenay Band announced Wednesday.
According to the band, the findings indicated the graves were shallow, about a metre deep.
"You can never fully prepare for something like this," said Chief Jason Louie of the Lower Kootenay Band, which is a member of the Ktunaxa Nation.
The finding adds to the growing tally of unmarked burial sites discovered near residential schools across Canada in the past month, including 215 in Kamloops and 751 in Saskatchewan.
St. Eugene's Mission School was operated by the Catholic Church from 1912 until the early 1970s. The building has since been converted into a golf resort and casino owned by the Ktunaxa Nation.
The Lower Kootenay Band says up to 100 of its members were forced to attend the school.
"It is believed that the remains of these 182 souls are from the member Bands of the Ktunaxa Nation, neighbouring First Nations communities and the community of ʔaq'am," read a media release from the band.
Weinie
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Ok. the rhetoric that has developed around this issue is becoming absurd. You state that "I'm sure there are thousands more tiny broken skeletons buried in holes in the ground.'
There are millions of tiny broken skeletons buried in holes in the ground across North America and Europe and Asia and Africa. That was reality in the 19th and early 20th century. Disease was the number 1-5 killers of people in that period. Disassociate reality at that time, and political thinking now, and then post.
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Are you referring to unmarked graves? Or graveyards?
Did the Canadian government or Catholic Church bury non-Indigenous bodies in unmarked graves?
Should we assume that all schoolyards from, say, before 1950 have bodies buried around them?
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I was musing about this story and it occurred to me that it's another prime example at how incompetent this particular Federal government is. It is very likely that the funding for the radar survey's came out of government money dedicated for that purpose and that the government had a fair idea of what they are likley to find. Instead of getting out in front of the story and announcing they were assisting bands in finding the victims of residential schools and preparing the media ground for this, they blissfully whistled past the graveyard and now are stumbling to catch up to the story. My guess is that this will go on with more "discoveries" for about two years. Had they gotten out front of the story they could have also said how they help the bands deal with the remains.
I also bet they didn't give a heads up to the provincial government that they were doing this, so they have to catch up as well.
I also bet they didn't give a heads up to the provincial government that they were doing this, so they have to catch up as well.
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I'm referring to why people died.
Did everyone get buried in a marked grave in the 19th century? Do those markers still exist?
Why would you assume that?
Yes, people die. No, not all graves are marked.
We don't know why or how these children died, or where they were buried (until now), and their relatives didn't know either.
The horrors of the residential school system are well-known and acknowledged by the government. These children were taken from their families and were supposed be cared for. I'd argue that includes marking a grave and keeping a record, if they die while in that care.
So perhaps this is why the rhetoric is different.
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