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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2016, 13:58:43 »
If we are going to stick with a Huey variant, then the UH1Y is the only worthwhile option, in my opinion.

Couldn't agree more.  I was just trying to be realistic cost wise.

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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #76 on: September 29, 2016, 00:35:56 »
Couldn't agree more.  I was just trying to be realistic cost wise.

Not to mention the Production line is still open I believe, so if we wanted them, lets do it, I am sure the USMC could be convinced to bump a delivery back a bit so we can get a few faster
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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #77 on: September 29, 2016, 07:50:51 »
Regrettably, we will be stuck with Griffon, with minimal upgrades, for a long time to come.

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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2016, 22:11:36 »
Not to mention the Production line is still open I believe, so if we wanted them, lets do it, I am sure the USMC could be convinced to bump a delivery back a bit so we can get a few faster

Why would the Marines do that? ???

They said no to any early CH-53Ks so I don't think they'd be any more benevolent with the Yankees.

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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #79 on: September 29, 2016, 22:24:29 »
Why not Blackhawks?

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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #80 on: September 30, 2016, 09:06:09 »
Why not Blackhawks?
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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #81 on: September 30, 2016, 10:50:56 »
Why not Blackhawks?

No capability - related reason.

The main reason would be political - we have a Bell plant in Mirabel, which may make a purchase a little more palatable. 85% commonality with AH1Z is nice but of no significance as we are unlikely to purchase an AH.

After doing some quick searching around the internet, my earlier assumptions no longer seem to be valid. UH1Y was originally billed as "giving Black Hawk (correct spelling - two words) performance at half of the cost". While costs vary wildly from site-to-site, as does key performance information, Black Hawk cost is generally claimed to be the lesser while it can lift more (8000 lbs vice 6660 lbs for UH1Y). Lower UH60 cost is likely due to economy-of-scale - far, far more have been built.

UH1Y does come with a FLIR system, though, and is designed to be armed.

Either would be a major step up.

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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #82 on: September 30, 2016, 11:58:36 »
Not sure if they have any left, but we could get some slightly used Blackhawks https://www.army.mil/article/128123/Exchange_of_A_model_Black_Hawks_generates_significant_cost_savings


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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #83 on: September 30, 2016, 13:50:01 »
Not sure if they have any left, but we could get some slightly used Blackhawks https://www.army.mil/article/128123/Exchange_of_A_model_Black_Hawks_generates_significant_cost_savings

Sweet!  We could also save money over F-35 by buying some original Hornets from the early-80's. ;)


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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #84 on: September 30, 2016, 13:56:07 »
Sweet!  We could also save money over F-35 by buying some original Hornets from the early-80's. ;)
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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #85 on: September 30, 2016, 14:24:52 »
Sweet!  We could also save money over F-35 by buying some original Hornets from the early-80's. ;)

Screw gently-used Hornets. What we really need is to resurrect the world-beating, cancelled-by-the-Americans-cause-they-afraid CF-105 Avro Arrow. With quick dab of the stealth juice, we could have a made-in-Canada replacement for the F-18 at 1/4th the price of competitors!  8)

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Re: Req : Possible Griffon Replacement
« Reply #86 on: September 30, 2016, 15:25:51 »
Screw gently-used Hornets. What we really need is to resurrect the world-beating, cancelled-by-the-Americans-cause-they-afraid CF-105 Avro Arrow. With quick dab of the stealth juice, we could have a made-in-Canada replacement for the F-18 at 1/4th the price of competitors!  8)

(It don't have anything to do with helos...I just saw that idea on Facebook and needed to vent before I exploded)

Here we go again.....Resurecting the Avro Arrow thread are we?    [:D

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