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Re: Why Not Canadian Amphib/Marine Capability? (merged)
« Reply #400 on: May 17, 2017, 14:59:03 »
A really good article, demonstrating, once again, that I am a dollar short and a day late.   [:D

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/a-ship-that-still-isnt-a-frigate/multilift/

Apparently the going rate for a similar ship is around 49 MUKP - or about 86 MCAD.  About the same price as the original NoCGV Svalbard.
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Re: Why Not Canadian Amphib/Marine Capability? (merged)
« Reply #401 on: May 17, 2017, 20:26:30 »
Shame Harper didn't pull the trigger and buy the 2 Mistral's building in France for Russia, sold to Egypt for a bargain.

HMS Ocean is apparently on the sales list. 

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Re: Why Not Canadian Amphib/Marine Capability? (merged)
« Reply #402 on: May 17, 2017, 22:23:19 »
Shame Harper didn't pull the trigger and buy the 2 Mistral's building in France for Russia, sold to Egypt for a bargain.

HMS Ocean is apparently on the sales list.

Here is what I find funny, we were close to buying the Mistrals, very close from what I hear.  The French got a better deal from the Egyptians so they turned around and turfed us out.  Now they want us to go to Mali with them.... "Should have cut us a deal buds"

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Re: Why Not Canadian Amphib/Marine Capability? (merged)
« Reply #403 on: May 18, 2017, 06:51:49 »
The RN was getting rid of their Bay class Amphibs for a song too a few years back.  They would also have been a good choice.

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Re: Why Not Canadian Amphib/Marine Capability? (merged)
« Reply #404 on: May 18, 2017, 09:19:28 »
The RN was getting rid of their Bay class Amphibs for a song too a few years back.  They would also have been a good choice.

Only one of the four: RFA Largs Bay was sold to Australia to become HMAS Choules for A$100m.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay-class_landing_ship

Edited to add: My *opinion* is these wouldn't be the best ship's for us; they are meant to be part of a larger amphibious group that has dedicated aviation ships (ie Ocean, being supplanted by the QEII Class), and as such don't have a hangar.  Even though they are based on the Enforcer (like Rotterdam, Johann de Witt, Galicia, and Castillia), the British choose not to have the hangar unlike the other's; it seems to be a singular choice as it isn't common for modern amphibious forces.

Historically the US equivalents (Austin [now for all intents gone], Whidbey Island, Harpers Ferry) also did not have hangars, but the San Antonio's do; from what I understand to make them more flexible.  Notably the US removed the well deck from the Wasp design for America (LHA-6) and Tripoli (LHA-7), but are probably putting it back in for LHA-8.

In any case, Bay Class type ships wouldn't be a good fit for Canada; they are really for "kick in the door" type stuff with other aviation amphibs.  If we were to get something (which I highly doubt), a Mistral or Juan Carlos (Canberra, Anodula) (also Dokdu is similar) would be at the top end, but something smaller like an Absalon or the conversions discussed more manageable.  Something like an Enforcer with the hangar would also work (still probably too much), but I'd remove the well deck before I'd sacrifice aviation (like Ocean, Izuma and Hyuga [both have extra berthing], et al).

We've gone around this a lot and although it makes for great chit chat (I also wish we had got the Mistrals, put the AOR's RAS gear starboard side, and sailed them heavily as training ships for now), is any of it realistic?

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Re: Why Not Canadian Amphib/Marine Capability? (merged)
« Reply #405 on: May 18, 2017, 12:02:37 »
The only way this is realistic is if the CAF L1's can put their petty differences on the back burner and fully support this capability. A unified front from them would go a long way to convince the government of the day to authorize a step in this direction.