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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4150 on: April 15, 2017, 13:17:07 »
Meanwhile--start of longish piece:

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Air Force F-35 Trains Against Russian, Chinese Air Defenses
The Air Force wants the F-35 to be able to elude the best enemy air defenses well into the 2030s and 2040s
 
The Air Force F-35 is using “open air” ranges and computer simulation to practice combat missions against the best Chinese and Russian-made air-defense technologies – as a way to prepare to enemy threats anticipated in the mid-2020s and beyond.

The testing is aimed at addressing the most current air defense system threats such as Russian-made systems and also focused on potential next-generation or yet-to-exist threats, Air Force officials said.

Air Force officials have explained that, looking back to 2001 when the JSF threat started, the threats were mostly European centric – Russian made SA-10s or SA-20s. Now the future threats are looking at both Russian and Chinese-made and Asian made threats, they said.

“They have got these digital SAMS (surface-to-air-missile-systems) out there that can change frequencies and they are very agile in how they operate. being able to replicate that is not easy,” Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian, former Director of the F-35 Integration Office, told Scout Warrior in an interview. (Harrigian now leads the air war in the Middle East)

Surface threats from air defenses is a tough problem because emerging threats right now can see aircraft hundreds of miles away, service officials explained.

Furthermore, emerging and future Integrated Air Defense Systems use faster computer processors, are better networked to one-another and detect on a wider range of frequencies. These attributes, coupled with an ability to detect aircraft at further distances, make air defenses increasingly able to at times detect even stealth aircraft, in some instances, with surveillance radar.

Russian media reports have recently claimed that stealth technology is useless against their air defenses. Russian built S-300 and S-400 air defenses are believed to be among the best in the world; in addition, The National Interest has reported that Russia is now working on an S-500 system able to destroy even stealthy targets at distances up to 125 miles.

While the Air Force aims to prepare for the unlikely contingency of a potential engagement with near-peer rivals such as Russia or China, Harrigian explained that there is much more concern about having to confront an adversary which has purchased air-defense technology from the Russians or Chinese. Harrigian emphasized that, while there is no particular conflict expected with any given specific country, the service wants to be ready for any contingency.

Harrigian explained that the F-35 is engineered with what developers call “open architecture,” meaning it is designed to quickly integrate new weapons, software and avionics technology as new threats emerge...
http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1656513-f-35-stealth-tech-vs-russian-air-defenses

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4151 on: April 15, 2017, 13:51:51 »
Another clip. Note that the USMC Pilot says the F-35 is the best he has flown including the Super Hornet.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5399136554001/?#sp=show-clips

Inside the technologically advanced F-35 fighter jet

Apr. 14, 2017 - 2:37 - The F-35 is the most expensive military weapons system in history

A older clip, May 15 re the helmet: http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/05/12/lea-gabrielle-goes-inside-cockpit-futuristic-f-35-stealth-fighter
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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4152 on: April 27, 2017, 19:17:18 »
Israel now has 5 F35's and may have used them against air defenses in Syria.The targets were an S300 site and a Pantsir system according to French sources.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/israels-f-35s-may-already-184545408.html

Israel received three F-35s from the US on Tuesday, bringing its total inventory of the revolutionary fighter up to five, but according to a French journalist citing French intelligence reports, Israeli F-35s have already carried out combat missions in Syria.

In Air Forces Monthly, Thomas Newdick summarized a report from Georges Malbrunot at the French newspaper Le Figaro that said Israel took its F-35s out on a combat mission one month after getting them from the US.

Malbrunot reported that on January 12, Israeli F-35s took out a Russian-made S-300 air defense system around Syrian President Bashar Assad's palace in Damascus and a Russian-made Pantsir-S1 mobile surface-to-air missile system set for delivery to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Israel has repeatedly and firmly asserted that its goal to make sure weapons cannot reach Hezbollah, a terror group that has sworn to seek the destruction of Israel.

In March, Israel said it had conducted an airstrike in Syria.

"When we know about an attempt to smuggle weapons to Hezbollah, we do whatever we can to prevent this from happening, provided we have sufficient information and capabilities to react," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said, according to Russian state-run media.

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4153 on: April 27, 2017, 21:20:15 »
Israel now has 5 F35's and may have used them against air defenses in Syria.The targets were an S300 site and a Pantsir system according to French sources.

That would certainly change my opinion of it.

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4154 on: April 27, 2017, 22:42:10 »
Found a link of the new 25mm gun being tested....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nMFvzZKKmk

Different airframe, similar principle?
Insert disclaimer statement here....

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4155 on: April 28, 2017, 19:08:50 »
that would be the Canadianized version  [lol:

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4156 on: April 29, 2017, 01:20:25 »
That would certainly change my opinion of it.
Mine as well, if it can get past a S300 thats a game changer.

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4157 on: May 30, 2017, 16:49:51 »
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/feature/184049/unit-cost-of-f_35s-delivered-this-year-still-exceeds-%24206m.html

I wish they were able to break the extra contracts down to the A,B,C level as I'm sure that the B and C bear a disproportionate amount of the concurrency costs

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4158 on: June 05, 2017, 15:51:24 »
1) Japanese front:

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Japan rolls out first domestically built [assembled actually] F-35


As well as assembling F-35As, the FACO will also provide maintenance, repair, overhaul, and upgrade services to F-35s based in the North Asia-Pacific region from about 2018. Source: Lockheed Martin

The first Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) to be built in Japan was rolled out on 5 June.

The conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) F-35A for the Japan Air Self-Defense force (JASDF) was unveiled at the site of the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) F-35 Final Assembly and Check Out (FACO) facility in Nagoya in central Japan.

Japan is one of only two F-35 customers outside of the United States to have a FACO production facility, with Italy being the other. The JASDF is to receive 42 F-35As, of which 38 will be built by MHI at its FACO (the first four aircraft are being built by Lockheed Martin at its Fort Worth facility in Texas) [emphasis added]. Designated AX-5, work on this first Japanese-produced aircraft began in December 2015.

As well as assembling aircraft, the FACO will also provide maintenance, repair, overhaul, and upgrade services to F-35s based in the North Asia-Pacific region from about 2018. The FACO at Nagoya is part of a wider industrial F-35A package for Japan that includes airframe parts manufacture for MHI, engine assembly for the IHI Corporation, and the production of electrical components by Mitsubishi Electric...
http://www.janes.com/article/71125/japan-rolls-out-first-domestically-built-f-35

2) F-35B for Spanish navy and air force?

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Spain’s Air Force and Navy have sights set on new American fighter aircraft
Despite its price tag, officials prefer the F-35 Lightning II to the alternative of more Eurofighters

After investing €10.6 billion on the European fighter plane, it turns out that Spain’s future military aircraft will in all likelihood be American-made. The Spanish Air Force and Navy have their sights set on the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter, made by Lockheed Martin, to replace the F-18s and vertical take-off Harriers that will be decommissioned halfway through the next decade.

An estimated 45 to 50 aircraft will be required for the Spanish Air Force and another 12 to 15 for the Navy. The program could represent spending of over €6 billion, and more than double that considering the logistical support required to keep the aircraft operational.

There is no alternative for the Navy, if it wants to maintain its naval aviation capacity – the ability to launch air power from a ship. The Navy will have to gradually decommission its remaining AV-8B Harrier II Plus aircraft, and the only planes available on the market capable of Vertical/Short Take Off and Landing (V/STOL) are the F-35s. Without them, the Navy’s flagship Juan Carlos I would be reduced to the category of helicopter carrier.

After investing €10.6 billion on the European fighter plane, it turns out that Spain’s future military aircraft will in all likelihood be American-made. The Spanish Air Force and Navy have their sights set on the F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter, made by Lockheed Martin, to replace the F-18s and vertical take-off Harriers that will be decommissioned halfway through the next decade.

Navy officials are aware that the F-35 is too expensive (between €90 and €130 million a unit, not counting the engine) and that their order of 12 to 15 planes would be too small for any meaningful negotiating margin. But things would be different if the Air Force decided to order the same model, said high-ranking Navy officials.

The future fighter aircraft is one of the priorities of the new Armed Forces Capacity Objective slated for approval before the end of this year, said General Fernando Alejandre, the new chief of the defense staff. The goal is to replace the F-18 fighters, which, together with the Eurofighter and the EF2000, are at the forefront of the Spanish Air Force’s aircraft program...

Air Force sources said that, even with improvements, the Eurofighter cannot compare with the F-35, a fifth-generation fighter that has integrated sensors on the pilot’s helmet, granting 360-degree vision. They also allege that relying on a single model could make the Air Force vulnerable in the event of a structural problem with the Eurofighters...
http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/06/05/inenglish/1496652196_078384.html

From Nov. 2016:

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Speaking under the Chatham House Rule, the official said that the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) will comprise three parts, made up of about 50 legacy Tranche 2 and Tranche 3 Eurofighter Typhoons that have been upgraded to network with a fifth-generation aircraft; a new fifth-generation aircraft (type and numbers to be decided); and an unmanned combat aerial vehicle (type and numbers to be decided)...
http://www.janes.com/article/65514/spain-to-develop-fcas-system-of-systems-to-replace-hornet-fighters

The EdAE's current Typhoon force is comprised of 17 Tranche 1, and 33 Tranche 2 aircraft, with deliveries of 20 Tranche 3 aircraft to begin shortly...

So in future maybe 50 Typhoons and some 60 F-35Bs.  And we have been planning for 65 fighters (how many now with that "capability gap"?) with a vastly greater air space to defend and a more likely Russkie cruise missile threat.

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4159 on: June 10, 2017, 05:09:13 »
F-35 hypoxia issues at Luke AFB.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/air-force-base-halts-flights-35s-pilots-report/story?id=47947236&yptr=yahoo

Luke Air Force Base in Arizona halted flights of its F-35 fighter jets on Friday after an increase in the number of pilots experiencing "hypoxia-like symptoms."

Five pilots have reported the symptoms since May 2, leading the base to cancel flying operations and review the concerns with pilots, the Air Force said. In each of the five instances, the pilots were able to use the aircraft's back-up oxygen system and land safely.

Hypoxia is a deficiency in the amount of oxygen reaching the body's tissues.

"Wing officials will educate U.S. and international pilots today on the situation and increase their awareness of hypoxia symptoms," Capt. Mark Graff, Air Force spokesman, said in a statement on Friday. "Pilots will also be briefed on all the incidents that have occurred and the successful actions taken by the pilots to safely recover their aircraft.

He continued: "Flight medicine will brief physiological event symptoms and also the extensive measures that are being taken to analyze data collected from the incidents."

The base will also hold an open forum for pilots to discuss concerns, he added.

No other bases with F-35 aircraft canceled operations on Friday. An Air Combat Command spokesperson told ABC News that a similar trend has not been seen with F-35 pilots on other bases.

Recently, the Navy has experienced hypoxia-related issues with its T-45 training jet. Flights of that aircraft were grounded across three bases in April for about a week due to protests by pilots that the oxygen system wasn't functioning properly.

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4160 on: June 10, 2017, 09:38:30 »
Wasn't the F22 also having troubles afew years back?  I would have thought this sort of thing would be something they would have sorted out long ago.

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4161 on: June 10, 2017, 09:44:34 »
Wasn't the F22 also having troubles afew years back?  I would have thought this sort of thing would be something they would have sorted out long ago.

The T-45 as well.

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4162 on: June 10, 2017, 10:06:24 »
Of course, this isn't my area of expertise whatsoever but it's not like using oxygen is a new thing in fighters.  I would have thought the technology and equipment used would be common, proven designs with parts already in service?

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4163 on: June 10, 2017, 10:48:12 »
Super Hornet has issues as well. I believe it's due to onboard oxygen generation vice older a/c carrying liquid oxygen. SuperSonicMax had on a post on here somewhere explaining the actual issue.

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4164 on: June 10, 2017, 11:34:46 »
This might be the post you are referring to:

Because O2, in OBOGS-equipped aircraft, comes from high pressure air from the engine compressor.  This complicate things a bit and conditions are different from aircraft to aircraft.  These are not the old Liquid O2 bottles.  This is relatively new.
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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4165 on: June 10, 2017, 12:25:12 »
I think the F-22's problem was isolated to a faulty valve on the vest. They are not necessarily connected at all just other than by the overall system

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4167 on: June 18, 2017, 14:50:43 »
The big block buy at last?  Note costs:

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Exclusive: Lockheed nears $37 billion-plus deal to sell F-35 jet to 11 countries

Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) is in the final stages of negotiating a deal worth more than $37 billion to sell a record 440 F-35 fighter jets to a group of 11 nations including the United States, two people familiar with the talks said.

This would be the biggest deal yet for the stealthy F-35 jet, set to make its Paris Airshow debut this week.

The sale represents a major shift in sales practices from annual purchases to more economic multi-year deals that lower the cost of each jet.

The pricing of the jets was still not final, although the average price of the 440 jets was expected to be $85 million, the people said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the negotiations publicly.

The multi-year deal for the fighters will consist of three tranches over fiscal years 2018-2020.

A Lockheed representative said the U.S. company does not discuss negotiations on contracts and said any deal involving a "block buy" would be announced by the U.S. government. A representative for the customers including the United States did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Sunday.

Last week, representatives from 11 F-35 customer nations met in Baltimore, Maryland to discuss terms and toured a Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N) facility in Maryland that provides equipment for the jet. Those nations included Australia, Denmark, Israel, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, South Korea, Britain and the United States [Canada?].

The memorandum of understanding being negotiated between Lockheed and the customers aims to procure 135 or more jets in fiscal year 2018 for delivery in 2020 for about $88 million per jet, the people said.

In the subsequent fiscal years, 2019 and 2020, procurement would ramp up to 150 or more jets per year.

The average price in 2019 could be $85 million for the F-35 "A" variant and could drop below $80 million in 2020
[emphasis added, likely cheaper than Super Hornet], the people said. That would mark the lowest price ever paid for an F-35, making this deal an important step in reducing the overall cost of each jet...
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-airshow-paris-f-idUSKBN1990S8?il=0

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Re: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
« Reply #4168 on: June 18, 2017, 15:41:19 »
11 F-35 customer nations

1 Australia, 2 Denmark, 3 Israel, 4 Italy, 5 Japan, 6 the Netherlands, 7 Norway, 8 Turkey, 9 South Korea, 10 Britain and 11 the United States [Canada?]
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