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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2008, 17:59:26 »
Hey may not answer since that post is 2004 and he is a "Guest"
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Re: MND told to cut top heavy ND HQ
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2008, 18:00:23 »
I find it amusing that a lot of these opinions come from civvies, ppl in the recruiting process, or ppl who have never served here at NDHQ. 

- Kind of like all of the other threads on this site.  We all often discuss places we have never been and things we have never done.  Ahhhh.....  the glory of the Internet.talk abou
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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
« Reply #52 on: May 11, 2008, 18:01:14 »
Hey may not answer since that post is 2004 and he is a "Guest"

- Then how did my post from yesterday.... is this a merged thread?????!!!???
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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2008, 15:50:25 »
That is too bad, because there is a lot to be gained from putting it all under one roof.  At the very least, the Army could look to ensure those scattered elements of the Land Staff get brought into the national capitol region:

So, to sum up what has happened over the last 40 years: in trying to create a more efficient organization in which everyone is under the same roof and you don't have to walk the length of a city block to get anything done, we have instead created one that is too big to fit under any existing roof and is now at least as dispersed as the original three Service headquarters were.

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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2008, 15:57:29 »
So, to sum up what has happened over the last 40 years: in trying to create a more efficient organization in which everyone is under the same roof and you don't have to walk the length of a city block to get anything done, we have instead created one that is too big to fit under any existing roof and is now at least as dispersed as the original three Service headquarters were.

Much more dispersed. Until circa 1970 the three service HQs were clustered together in downtown Ottawa - with a few offices in other, nearby buildings. Now part of NDHQ is in the Pearkes Building (two 17+ story towers by the Rideau Canal) but much (most?) of it is scattered all over two cities: Ottawa and Gatineau.
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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2008, 18:13:18 »
- Well, dispersion IS crucial to survival on a nuclear battlefield.

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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2008, 18:17:55 »
- Well, dispersion IS crucial to survival on a nuclear battlefield.

 8)

Only if you ARE NOT down wind and down river from a strategic targeted Nuclear facility outside a Military Reservation.... >:D
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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2008, 20:56:17 »
So, to sum up what has happened over the last 40 years: in trying to create a more efficient organization in which everyone is under the same roof and you don't have to walk the length of a city block to get anything done, we have instead created one that is too big to fit under any existing roof and is now at least as dispersed as the original three Service headquarters were.

Not really - There`s the big building you see on TV then several other Complementary Bldgs around the City. Plus its as connected as any corporate HQ - but there are little power centres all over the place.

Get this - Minister approves a project - then it continues to circulate for signature - then it gets re-approved and verified at the Treasury Board. Sounds like big time duplication higher than DND to me.

Projects are supposed to start and stop in 28 months vs 108 months over ER Campbell's time. But obviously some will take longer and some shorter. If its a COTS project - Commercial Off the Shelf - it may look quicker but is it really?

So if the government could push the approval of certain levels of projects lower down - to say the Dept rather than the Dept plus Treasury Board - that could speed things up and make a spread out HQ greater than a pasture for some and a heart attack in the making for others.

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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2008, 00:46:44 »
Minor query, not a hijack:

Okay, Im confused - how did that 4 year gap get spanned?  Was this split from something else?

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Re: It's time to co-locate and shink NDHQ!
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Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2009, 11:36:42 »
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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2009, 12:07:18 »
Another one with the same square footage as Pearkes.  Interesting.

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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2009, 12:39:23 »
They are going to move DND office? But really enjoyed seeing the current one across from Rideau Mall, seeing all the CF folks on taking OC transpo to places...oh and the past protest marches on MacKenzie bridge. :(


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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2009, 12:47:45 »
It wouldn't be replacing NDHQ (Pearkes).  The new one would be supplementing (and consolidating - one can dream, right?) the umpteen buildings that DND occupies in the NCR.

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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2009, 12:48:54 »
They are going to move DND office? But really enjoyed seeing the current one across from Rideau Mall, seeing all the CF folks on taking OC transpo to places...oh and the past protest marches on MacKenzie bridge. :(


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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2009, 13:15:36 »
They are going to move DND office?
As stated, a consolidation of other workplaces seems more likely.  I’ve heard rumour of a Louis St. Laurent 2 in order to bring the Hotel de Ville crowd back to co-locate with DLR & DGLEPM, but the suggested plot of land wouldn’t fit what is described on the MERX.  In any case, consider the amount of floor space that DND already manages for NDHQ:

101 Col By74,660 m2
Louis St. Laurent 40,092 m2
Constitution22,625 m2
Startop20,769 m2
400 Cumberland15,523 m2
285 Coventry10,374 m2
4210 Labelle8,697 m2

… and that is just a selection of the buildings that DND manages.  There is another much longer list of PWGSC managed facilities that devote a significant amount of floor space to NDHQ

However, if we are going to make the investment in a new major construction, I would think we’d get the best value from one single massive building to consolidate the workspaces of all the others.  Sure, there would be a large capital cost at the front end, but I wonder what we could save down the road with:
  • simpler facilities management requirements (smaller staff because they only worry about one place)
  • no more contracted DND shuttle services
  • no more paying for taxis or parking for business related visits between buildings
  • no more lost productivity hours as pers travel between buildings (I wonder if anyone has ever determined the number of PYs lost annually to time spent waiting for or traveling on NDHQ shuttles)
  • Increased productivity from interacting staffs that would be regularly able to directly interact


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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2009, 14:13:12 »
There would still be a need for a limited shuttle service between the new building  (for now, let's call it MILNET Tower), 101 Col By, the relocated HCC and Clothing Stores.

DND would also no longer have to pay multiple gym memberships at almost every YMCA in town for those folks who's building is neither close to or has PT facilities. 
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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2009, 14:49:30 »
We should have bought the JDS campus when we had the chance... maybe the Nortel campus near Connaught will become available in the future...
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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2009, 14:50:50 »
There would still be a need for a limited shuttle service between the new building  (for now, let's call it MILNET Tower), 101 Col By, the relocated HCC and Clothing Stores.
Not in my world  :P  There currently is not shuttle to the HCC, so that would not have to change.  Clothing Stores would move from HPB to the consolidated NDHQ super building, and so would the occupants of 101.

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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2009, 14:51:46 »
My nderstanding from press reports is that this will be a secure facility for the secret squirrels of CSE.  However, whether other DND offices will be consolidated into their old stomping grounds remains to be seen.

Remember, though, that like most departments in the NCR, DND is expected to have about a 75-25 split between Ottawa and Hull Gatineau; efficiency will never happen for that reason alone.
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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #70 on: June 10, 2009, 14:55:43 »
Don't forget that the former NDMC is rumoured to come down in 2013.  They may be looking at amalgamating people who are in offices in a dozen (or more) buildings all into one. 

40 buildings in the NCR?  I think there's more than that.
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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #71 on: June 10, 2009, 15:59:57 »
NDMC was "condemned" in 1999, so 2013 is the new date?
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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2009, 16:03:44 »
NDMC was "condemned" in 1999, so 2013 is the new date?

Well, CF H Svcs C (O) is just moving out now (I moved today  ;D).  I mean, they have to have somewhere to put everyone before they can actually tear it down, no?
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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2009, 12:54:24 »
Remember, though, that like most departments in the NCR, DND is expected to have about a 75-25 split between Ottawa and Hull Gatineau; efficiency will never happen for that reason alone.
Then, lets throw the .COMs into Gatineau (since they want to be seperate anyway) and leave QETE in the NPB (since it is more of a unit than part of the HQ).  Everything else could move into the new consolidated NDHQ (which would have enough floor space for the .COMs to eventually move in).

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Re: Big-Honkin' New DND Building Coming?
« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2009, 17:26:48 »
Then, lets throw the .COMs into Gatineau

I'd rather throw them into the Rideau river.
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