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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2017, 17:53:03 »
Did Hell freeze over?  CBC reporting that half of asylum seekers crossing have criminal records.  (Old report from April)

 http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/920868419922

Trudeau did say EVERYONE was welcome....a sound strategy for sure.
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Asylum seekers - Moved to Cornwall Ontario
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 14:58:01 »
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Quebec is getting the help they requested. Asylum seekers have already started to be moved over to Cornwall Ontario and plans are developing for another tent camp next door, according to the news release.

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New centre, more immigration officers

In order to accommodate the growing number of migrants crossing into Quebec, Federal Transport Minister Marc Garneau and Quebec Immigration Minister Kathleen Weil announced new measures for housing and security Thursday.

A new temporary intake centre will be set up in Cornwall, Ont., to ease the burden on Quebec, which has been housing claimants in centres across Montreal.

Garneau said the Cornwall centre has 300 rooms and that tents can be installed outside the building if necessary.

"This will remove some of the pressure on us," said Weil, referencing the provincial government. She has urged Ottawa to help with additional temporary housing for asylum seekers.
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 15:19:18 »
Did anyone ever think that there would be a camp of refugees fleeing the United States of America?

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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 15:22:34 »
Haiti is now deemed safe to return to and SURPRISE! they don't want to go back.  Now, as the article notes, they are entering Canada illegally.  What do people expect when the PM says *everyone is welcome!!*. 
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 15:38:44 »
Haiti is now deemed safe to return to and SURPRISE! they don't want to go back.  Now, as the article notes, they are entering Canada illegally.  What do people expect when the PM says *everyone is welcome!!*.

Everyone is welcome.  The legalities have been clarified many times.  This is an act of desperation, and nothing more.

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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #30 on: Yesterday at 15:44:36 »
Everyone is welcome.  The legalities have been clarified many times.  This is an act of desperation, and nothing more.

From the CBC story:

RCMP says it has intercepted 3,800 asylum seekers crossing illegally into Quebec since Aug. 1

More than 3,800 asylum seekers crossed the border illegally in Quebec during the two weeks spanning Aug. 1 to Aug. 15, the RCMP said Thursday.

The figures were released after RCMP held a technical briefing with the Canada Border Services Agency and Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC).

According to the IRCC, the RCMP also intercepted 2,996 asylum seekers crossing illegally into Quebec in July.

Since June 1, the RCMP said that more than 7,000 people have illegally entered Canada.


Yup, the legalities are clear for sure.  If I need money, I can't just go to the bank and take it *in an act of desperation* and everything is cool...


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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #31 on: Yesterday at 15:51:27 »
Canada has some legislation in regards to breaking laws due to necessity (Ie: breaking into a domecile so you don't freeze to death) but I am unsure if that translates to refugees who aren't Canadian citizens. Especially ones who are fleeing the US and not Haiti..are they considered fleeing Haiti by proxy because the US would kick them out? WOULD the US kick them out? I don't know, I will admit I'm not a genius when it comes to this stuff.
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #32 on: Yesterday at 16:59:46 »
Canada has some legislation in regards to breaking laws due to necessity (Ie: breaking into a domecile so you don't freeze to death) but I am unsure if that translates to refugees who aren't Canadian citizens. Especially ones who are fleeing the US and not Haiti..are they considered fleeing Haiti by proxy because the US would kick them out? WOULD the US kick them out? I don't know, I will admit I'm not a genius when it comes to this stuff.
these guys will be processed like any other illegal migrant and if the case of other haitians is any clue, more than half will be deported to Haiti.
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 23:36:01 »
Yup, the legalities are clear for sure.  If I need money, I can't just go to the bank and take it *in an act of desperation* and everything is cool...

In this case (analogies are generally terrible arguments), with those found to have legitimate claims, everything will be cool.  For those found to not, things will not be cool.  They'll be rather warm, as they'll be returned to Haiti.

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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #34 on: Today at 00:58:01 »
And for those seeking entrance to our Country through legal means, there will be further delays...

Meanwhile, https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/08/17/poll-majority-canadians-say-trudeau-not-enough-protect-canadas-borders/

POLL: Majority Of Canadians Say Trudeau Not Doing Enough To Protect Canada’s Borders

A new poll by Ipsos/Global shows Canadians are turning against Justin Trudeau’s border policies.

Here are the key poll results:
62% say the Trudeau government doesn’t have a solid plan to respond to the increase in border crossers.
56% say the Trudeau government having to call in the military shows the border issue “is out of control.”
67% believe those crossing the border illegally are doing so in order to skip the legal process.
56% say the government isn’t doing enough to protect the border from “those who want to cause harm to Canada.”

Trudeau government clearly out of step with Canadians

This poll confirms what many of us already knew: Canadians believe our border and laws should be respected. We are a welcoming nation, but that welcome must be on our own terms. There are many people waiting in line and following the rules, and they are being delayed because of those crossing illegally. And as the poll shows, Canadians are concerned that people who may cause harm to the country are crossing the border, and the Trudeau government isn’t doing enough to stop them.

That’s why it’s time for the Trudeau government to stop playing to the international press, and start listening to the voices of Canadians. Our border must be secured, and illegal crossings must be stopped.

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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #35 on: Today at 10:08:16 »
Personally, I have a simple solution (which is probably why it wouldn't work in Canada  ;D).

Stop all immigration hearings already scheduled in Canada and bring the tribunal's judges to Montreal. There, hold immediate hearings (most of these "refugees" are Haitians who lived peacefully in the US under temporary visas for the last few years, so they should have all of their papers and proof in order and ready to go) for a few hundreds of them. When the large majority of them are found to NOT be refugees, deport them immediately - but since they are Haitians, deport them to Haiti - not the USA - and publicize that fact heavily in Canada and the US.

I bet you it would stem the flow almost completely, and that a lot of the ones already here would immediately voluntarily withdraw their application to enter Canada and chose to return to the US and take their chances with their current temporary visa holder's status.
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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #36 on: Today at 10:35:49 »
That is a wildly optimistic hope for any form of speed and/or efficiency in a government endeavour.

And what if our Southern Cousins don't let them back in?

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Re: Haitian refugees Flocking To Canada
« Reply #37 on: Today at 11:43:37 »
Personally, I have a simple solution (which is probably why it wouldn't work in Canada  ;D).

Stop all immigration hearings already scheduled in Canada and bring the tribunal's judges to Montreal. There, hold immediate hearings (most of these "refugees" are Haitians who lived peacefully in the US under temporary visas for the last few years, so they should have all of their papers and proof in order and ready to go) for a few hundreds of them. When the large majority of them are found to NOT be refugees, deport them immediately - but since they are Haitians, deport them to Haiti - not the USA - and publicize that fact heavily in Canada and the US.

I bet you it would stem the flow almost completely, and that a lot of the ones already here would immediately voluntarily withdraw their application to enter Canada and chose to return to the US and take their chances with their current temporary visa holder's status.

The Canadian Government has already said they are returning them to Haiti. Apparently the US won't let them return/deports them.
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