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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2017, 22:39:10 »
Regardless, you can be held accountable by your employer for your off-duty conduct.

Accountable? Our mayor was on crack. But, they couldn't get rid of him.

Meanwhile, guys where I worked were getting fired over juvenile stuff they posted on social media.

Another guy I knew was let go for an off-duty meeting with teenage girls involving beer and cigarettes.
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They call it, "Professional conduct outside of profession".

I believe what saved the FHRITP guy was that his job was not one of "those types of positions".
He had some sort of technical engineering job with the power company.

ie: As long as the lights go on, electricity comes out of the wall sockets, and the elevators, air-conditioners and subways remain powered, are customers likely to complain?

That seems to be the way the arbitrator saw it.

That could apply to other employers and employees, depending on the type of position they hold.


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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2017, 07:35:14 »
Pfftt, 5 guys walking around with an old flag.  Stern talking too, carry on.  Charter rights are foundation law.  As for this whole "we are a profession" thing, we don't punish people for on duty violations let alone have the time to go after folks for thought crimes. 

I am more worried about you guys who think that being part of a racial group requires you to look the part, is ancestry not the primary determinate of race?

Just SJW fakenews media feeding frenzy?  Imagine call folks names long enough and they start to push back...........
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #52 on: July 04, 2017, 07:52:51 »
I've been looking up Proud Boys. There is no consensus out there. Far left call them alt-right, others say they are centrist on western values and it goes on and on. Nobody is quite sure of what they are. They are an enigma, per se ...
I've seen no shortage of the "they're alt-right" narrative, but where are you seeing the "centrist/western values" read of the group?  Honestly not poking, but interested. 

I've only been able to find that sort of narrative on the U.S. PB FB page ...
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #53 on: July 04, 2017, 09:13:33 »
I've seen no shortage of the "they're alt-right" narrative, but where are you seeing the "centrist/western values" read of the group?  Honestly not poking, but interested. 

I've only been able to find that sort of narrative on the U.S. PB FB page ...... and the Canadian PB FB page:

Someone might tell them the 1A and 2A are Yank things and never existed in constitutional monarchies.  Drug war is a waste of money beyond border security which is itself a joke, it's harder to get salami into Canada than an illegal.  Everything else is quite agreeable in my personal opinion.  Certainly better than the smash a NAZI ANTIFA crowd who seems to define Nazi as everyone who is not them and are willing to use violence first rather than last. 
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2017, 09:27:46 »
... Certainly better than the smash a NAZI ANTIFA crowd who seems to define Nazi as everyone who is not them and are willing to use violence first rather than last.
And that end of the political spectrum continues to get scarier over time ...
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2017, 09:39:52 »
And that end of the political spectrum continues to get scarier over time ...

That is quite the set of principles, sorta individual-socialist-liberty bordering on anarchy based around small communities of mutual defense.  Someone has been reading too many survivalist novels. 
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2017, 11:22:54 »
I've seen no shortage of the "they're alt-right" narrative, but where are you seeing the "centrist/western values" read of the group?  Honestly not poking, but interested. 

I've only been able to find that sort of narrative on the U.S. PB FB page ...... and the Canadian PB FB page:
Anti Masturbation?

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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2017, 11:33:39 »
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2017, 14:23:38 »
And now it seems that all five of the "Proud Boys" are military.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/proud-boys-canadian-military-indigenous-protest-disrupted-1.4189615
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2017, 14:31:59 »
Once again I have under estimated the capacity of the military bureaucrat to blow something minor up into a national scandal.   
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #60 on: July 04, 2017, 14:52:03 »
What boggles me more is how everyone is ignoring the conduct of the other party and the whole upside down flag deal.  I know some people might not care about that, I sure do.

I guess only white people can do anything wrong in Canada these days.
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #61 on: July 04, 2017, 15:17:23 »
What boggles me more is how everyone is ignoring the conduct of the other party and the whole upside down flag deal.  I know some people might not care about that, I sure do.

I guess only white people can do anything wrong in Canada these days.

Correct me if I am wrong but the Upside down flag thing, is not an international symbol of distress?  I'm pretty sure that is the meaning. 
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2017, 15:23:09 »
Correct me if I am wrong but the Upside down flag thing, is not an international symbol of distress? 

It is in America,

"The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property."
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #63 on: July 04, 2017, 15:23:41 »
Correct me if I am wrong but the Upside down flag thing, is not an international symbol of distress?  I'm pretty sure that is the meaning.

So the CAF members were coming to render assistance.  >:D

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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2017, 15:30:29 »
Correct me if I am wrong but the Upside down flag thing, is not an international symbol of distress?  I'm pretty sure that is the meaning.

Could be...but in Halifax on Canada Day?  That's more than a little stretch of the imagination.
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #65 on: July 04, 2017, 15:41:25 »
Could be...but in Halifax on Canada Day?  That's more than a little stretch of the imagination.

Actually it isn't that far of a stretch given the current climate.  Aboriginal groups have been using that for a bit now to highlight their plight and given the current political climate with the 150 stuff it does not seem to be that far of a stretch to be honest.

That group is from the region.  They're not too found of who they consider to be a genocidal murderer (if you read his history he seems to have a habit of using genocide as a tactic), so they go to have what by all accounts is a quiet ceremony to mourn the past on a day they aren't too keen to commemorate with fondness.

Now I also see a group of guys who thought that this was an anti Canada protest and showed up to obviously disrupt it and when they saw what it really was after a few minutes left the scene.  As far as I can see they didn't incite violence or spew any real hate.  It was pretty insensitive sure but I fail to see anything legally wrong with what they did.  Just like the flag, Nothing wrong with that as far as I can tell. 
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #66 on: July 04, 2017, 17:23:57 »
Correct me if I am wrong but the Upside down flag thing, is not an international symbol of distress?  I'm pretty sure that is the meaning.

I'll correct you: It is not repeat not an international distress signal. It is in fact not a distress signal at all. Even the American regulation quoted is in the respect for the flag section and I am pretty sure it is not listed anywhere in the US Coast Guard list of recognized distress signals.

The whole thing is actually urban folklore. Think about it, just to name a few, how would you know that the French flag, the Japanese flag, the Belgian or Italian flags, etc. are flown upside down?

See this American site that confirms that, at least at sea or in US Inland waters, it is not used: http://www.seaflags.us/signals/warning.html
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #67 on: July 04, 2017, 17:33:36 »
Correct me if I am wrong but the Upside down flag thing, is not an international symbol of distress? 

The whole thing is actually urban folklore.

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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2017, 18:30:47 »
Well, I'm speechless ... which admiral Newton obviously ain't.

I'll just go and crawl under a rock in disbelief.

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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2017, 18:32:47 »
So I guess some questions going forward should be analyzed, without the associated passion:

1. Is membership in the group they belong to unlawful?  No
2. Is the group classically white supremacist?  Not according to their own website, nor according to informal internet research.
3. Were their actions unlawful?  No
4. Did they bring disrepute onto the CF?  Questionable - from the video they don't identify as CF.
5. Did they actually disrupt the event?  Hard to say... the video does not support that contention, but that depends on the viewer's perspective.
6. Did they do something foolish?  Possibly

Much will depend on what action the CF takes. I fear though that these guys will be scapegoated and find their careers finished.

It's easy for us to say "hang the bastards", but they are still entitled to due process.

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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2017, 18:37:09 »
They're going to get keelhauled.
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #72 on: July 04, 2017, 18:41:13 »
The thing that pisses me off mostly about this, is how our military is blowing it up more.

The comment by the Admiral alluding to White Supremacy don't help things at all.

This would of went away if they dealt with it by simply saying the members are being dealt with internally.

Yet the people who DOXed the 5 men are getting a pass. Which is illegal last I checked.

It's sad that the more of this SJW stuff I see every day, the more I feel the world needs another World War to sort out what is really important. Too many people have gotten too comfortable.


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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #73 on: July 04, 2017, 18:43:22 »
What boggles me more is how everyone is ignoring the conduct of the other party and the whole upside down flag deal.  I know some people might not care about that, I sure do.

I guess only white people can do anything wrong in Canada these days.

Good point.  They are claiming that the Red Ensign is equivalent to the Confederate flag in the US, and displaying it is a sign of disrespect; all the time they have desecrated the national flag with their protest 'slogan' and flown it upside down, not to mention used it as an article of clothing.....Disrespect?  Sadly, we now have a society where we are no longer "democratic"; but instead ruled by a vocal minority.
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Re: 'Confrontation' with Mi'gmaq ceremony/protest in Halifax
« Reply #74 on: July 04, 2017, 18:49:18 »
The thing that pisses me off mostly about this, is how our military is blowing it up more.

The comment by the Admiral alluding to White Supremacy don't help things at all.

This would of went away if they dealt with it by simply saying the members are being dealt with internally.

Yet the people who DOXed the 5 men are getting a pass. Which is illegal last I checked.

It's sad that the more of this SJW stuff I see every day, the more I feel the world needs another World War to sort out what is really important. Too many people have gotten too comfortable.
If the were going to be doing that kind of stuff they should have covered their faces.

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