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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2017, 10:08:58 »
Advise and assist - this was part of the assist.

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2017, 10:20:48 »
We occasionally lend the Kurds a Todd Bertuzzi to help Markus Naslund out, got it  ;D

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2017, 13:33:10 »
Another bad guy sent to the hot place. They don't respond well to hugs and tea.
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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2017, 14:53:28 »
Fired a Timberwolf at 700m, and planted 3 hits in a nice tight group. 

Looked at their culmination point data, and their elevations are just about half of what .308 match does, so their 'dangerous space' is much longer.

Culmination point on a .308 at 800m is about +9.5 Mils I recall.  Their .338 was +5 Mils. 

I've pondered the 'new ammo' option as well, and the numbers I put in up higher leave me pondering that a lot.  The retained velocity and drop on a standard round at 3500m is just....incredible.   Like I said, the dangerous space is sooooo tiny, like on the order of 30 feet.  A 15 foot mis-range (that's 5 meters off) at that distance equals a miss.

Unless there's something magical (or really new/different) about the ballistics of the round they fired.

And there's the issue of the target remaining in a static position for the TOF. They must have had very good eyes on him and some good information about his capacity, which seems to be confirmed by the acknowledgement of video of the events. All safety checks must have been in place, because in that amount of time the intended target may be replaced by some other unfortunate soul walking through the line of shot. Perhaps the target was another sniper himself....   
   
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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2017, 15:17:30 »
Maybe the sniper used DARPA's homing bullets...
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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2017, 15:27:06 »
Maybe the sniper used DARPA's homing bullets...

I was thinking about those magic bullets.  Should one be used for a long distance hello like this, how would that effect the record per se?  Would a bullet that isn't just down to the skill of the sniper once it leaves the muzzle still be valid or is it cheating to some degree?

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2017, 15:47:34 »
If that's the case, then the company that developed EXACTO for DARPA has a most appropriate trademark logo: Teledyne Scientific and Imaging- "Everywhereyoulook(TM)"    :nod:
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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2017, 21:03:48 »
I also think we'd want it out in the open that our snipers can make shots out to 3.5km... kinda influences the enemy's decision making a little bit.

I have a feeling this is less about the shot or OPSEC, than devil39 having a personal bias against CANSOF/MGen Rouleau.

Very bold PuckChaser.... But seriously it is nothing personal.  I really like CANSOF.

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2017, 08:47:20 »
Maybe the sniper used DARPA's homing bullets...

Well...

As I recall, one of the sniper's main weapons is observation and they can use everything available on the battlefield, including atry and fast air so, in this circumstance, I'm guessing that nothing else was available and you could therefore probably call this achievement a sound 'Plan B'.  [:D
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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2017, 08:56:25 »
  He's heard worse from me.
No one who knows you doubts that.  Shyness, or an overly sensitive brain-mouth filter, have never been issues.   ;D

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #60 on: June 27, 2017, 10:43:22 »
First thing that popped up when I googled it.  There may be better articles out there.... (wow, recent is not correct, this article is a year old but you get my point...).
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/28/canadian-sub-in-underwater-hunt-for-russian-vessel.html

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #61 on: June 27, 2017, 10:45:59 »
It would help if the DND info machine would also update the "Fleet Status" for the subs occasional

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #62 on: June 27, 2017, 23:01:57 »
Meanwhile in Syria....

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #63 on: June 27, 2017, 23:09:13 »
No one who knows you doubts that.  Shyness, or an overly sensitive brain-mouth filter, have never been issues.   ;D

I'm confused.


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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2017, 07:36:07 »
‘Sorry aboot that, eh’ — Canadian sniper apologizes after record-breaking kill shot

By Cat Astronaut  On Jun 24, 2017

OTTAWA — A Canadian sniper apologized today after he was confirmed to have scored the longest lethal shot on record, according to sources.

The sniper, whose identity is being withheld for operational security reasons, said he was sorry both to the ISIS fighter he killed and to the former record-holder, British soldier Craig Harrison, whose record his 2.2-mile shot smashed by over 3,000 feet.

“Sorry aboot that, eh,” the sniper supposedly said as the .50 caliber round ripped through the insurgent’s thoracic cavity. “I thought that was a dern moose, friend.”

According to experts, Canadian standard operating procedure is to ask a target’s permission before ending his life, so as to maintain a spirit of good sportsmanship.

“We’re all aboot friendship and fair play up here in Canada, even if we’re just killing a bunch of hosers like ISIS,” said Canadian military spokesman Mick Robinson. “All the famous Canadians that everyone’s heard of like Frank Boucher and Jack Bionda would tell you the same, buddy.”

After hiding out in full-body denim ghillie suits for days, the sniper team allegedly returned to their base where they celebrated with a “specially prepared dinner of maple syrup, Tim Horton’s doughnuts, Molson Ice, and poutine for the Québécois comm. guy.”

Robinson says this shot will “stand right up there with Gretzky’s hat trick against Calgary in ’88” as one of the greatest moments in Canadian history.

“I’d say that was aboot as accurate as a Gordie Howe slapshot, eh,” said Robinson while sitting in a refrigerator and sharpening his ice skates. “I don’t even know what a 2.2 miles is, but I’m scared to look it up.”

“You happen to catch the score of the curling match?”


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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2017, 08:17:48 »
I was waiting for the Duffle Blog article on this  :nod:

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2017, 09:44:39 »
Executive summary: Poop or get off the potty  :nod:

Why the Canadian Sniper Story is Important

Third, Canada must do more in Iraq and Syria.

Don't get me wrong. Those soldiers currently deployed in Iraq are exceptional, as we've seen. The problem is what they're being allowed and not allowed to do. And in the end, this is a political failing.

In 2016, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau ended Canada's air force fighter deployment to Iraq. And while deploying more military trainers to Iraq (of which JTF-2 form a component), his government continues to restrict the missions that those forces can undertake. Additionally, while Canada will increase defense spending in the coming years, Trudeau's government has not committed to fully fund its ongoing mission in Iraq.


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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2017, 12:24:50 »
Too bad Stompin Tom wasn't around. And for the record, not all Canadians say "aboot" in place of "about". Just some.
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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2017, 12:27:42 »
I have never heard anyone in real life say "aboot" in place of "about".

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2017, 13:06:19 »
I have never heard anyone in real life say "aboot" in place of "about".
Same here - or "hoose" instead of "house".
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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2017, 13:50:03 »
Pretty funny how every Canadian accent ever shown on US tv is identical to the ones from Minnesota, Wisconsin, and North Dakota.
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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2017, 15:58:39 »
The PM is proud of the shooter's work.
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Canadian sniper's shot 'entirely consistent' with non-combat role, Trudeau says
Liberals face renewed criticism over claim that special forces operations in Iraq are 'advise and assist'

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Posted: Jun 27, 2017 1:57 PM ET
Last Updated: Jun 27, 2017 5:51 PM ET


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the record-breaking shot by a Canadian special forces sniper is something that should be "celebrated."

It is also well within the realm of the military's advise and assist role in Iraq, he said.

During a marathon news conference Tuesday marking the end of the parliamentary sitting, Trudeau rejected recent criticism by NDP Leader Tom Mulcair, who said the incident draws into question the Liberal government's claim that Canada is involved in a "non-combat" mission against ISIS.

"What happened there is something to be celebrated for the excellence of the Canadian Forces, and their training and the performance of their duties," the prime minister said Tuesday.

The shot that killed an ISIS extremist was taken by the member of the military's elite counterterrorism unit, Joint Task Force 2, sometime last month

At 3,540 metres, it is the longest confirmed kill shot in military history.

National Defence has refused to discuss precise details of the operation, but said the shot helped fend off an impending attack on Iraqi security forces.

Trudeau said it was "entirely consistent" with Canadian government policy governing the mission, and on a more basic level, it's something he believes "Canadians expect our Forces to be doing" when allies are under threat.

"The advise and assist mission that our Canadian Forces are engaged in in northern Iraq has always had an element of defence of, obviously, Canadian troops and of our coalition partners," Trudeau said. "That is something that is integral to this mission. And that is something that has always been followed."

But Mulcair countered on Tuesday that while Trudeau was in opposition he described what's been going on in Iraq as combat, but now he doesn't.

"It's clear, when you're shooting at someone and killing them on the front line, you're in a combat mission," Mulcair said.

Former diplomat Ferry de Kerckhove said he believes the Canadian public understands that being in harm's way does not necessarily mean you are engaged in "offensive combat." He said the more than two-year-old debate is something that is politically manufactured.

"It upsets me that this achievement, the saving of Iraqi soldiers and ensuring they don't fall into a trap, is being kind of demonized through this 'combat' versus 'non-combat' game. And I really think it's a game," said de Kerckhove, who served as Canada's ambassador to Egypt, Indonesia and as high commissioner to Pakistan.

"It's a dangerous job and we should honour what the guy achieved."

The killing an ISIS fighter is not something most Canadians would take issue with, given the "horror of their behaviour," he said.

Canada has roughly 200 special forces troops in Iraq, where they have been helping plan and facilitate Kurdish forces who are attempting to retake the country's second-largest city, Mosul, from ISIS control. The elite soldiers are supported by a Role 2 combat hospital, a detachment of CH-146 Griffon helicopters, a C-140 surveillance plane and an air-to-air refuelling aircraft.

Both the Liberals and the Conservatives before them have described the operations of special forces in northern Iraq, where they have been assisting the Kurds since the fall of 2014, as a "non-combat role."

The term, however, has proved to be somewhat elastic.

Government ministers and military leaders have been called upon to explain how firefights, guiding in airstrikes against ISIS positions and even, in 2015, the friendly fire death of one Canadian soldier cannot be deemed "combat."

The debate seemed to have been put to rest last fall, when military officials acknowledged Canada's highly trained soldiers routinely open fire on ISIS fighters in order to protect civilians and their Kurdish allies.

Last week, Mulcair wrote to Trudeau, saying the sniper incident "seriously calls into question your government's claim that Canadian Forces are not involved in direct combat in Iraq."

He insisted the House of Commons be allowed to debate the "change" in the mission, which is set to expire on Friday.

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan has signalled since early spring that Canada would remain in Iraq while the battle for Mosul was underway. Iraqi forces are still locked in a deadly house-by-house clearing of extremists from the neighbourhood known as Old Mosul.

U.S. coalition commanders told CNN on Monday they believed "several hundred" ISIS fighters remained in the shrinking pocket along with as many as 100,000 civilians.

It has taken months to capture the city, and coalition commanders estimate it could more time still as Iraqi and Kurdish troops take care to ensure innocent lives are spared. 
 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-sniper-shot-iraq-1.4179825

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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2017, 17:01:12 »
I was waiting for the Duffle Blog article on this  :nod:

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« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2017, 19:42:15 »
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OPINION
Why the Canadian sniper story is important
Wednesday, June 28, 2017
by Tom Rogan | Jun 22, 2017, 4:25 PM

Within the last month, a Canadian soldier killed an ISIS fighter with a 3,540 meter shot.

That's 2.2 miles -- a new world record for a confirmed combat sniper kill.

We can be confident of the report's accuracy. The Canadian military confirmed the kill to The Globe and Mail newspaper. Military authorities are careful before recognizing sensational stories such as this one.

Three points:

First, this is obviously good news. A dead ISIS fighter cannot wreak havoc on the people of Iraq and Syria. The manner of this shot will also scare some ISIS fighters. That's not simply because the ISIS fighter was killed from over 2 miles away. It's also down to the fact that the sniper rifle employed uses a very powerful round. The bullet's impact may well have exploded the ISIS fighter in question. Morale matters.

Second, this is a testament to the skill of Canada's elite Joint Task Force 2 (JTF-2) unit, to which this sniper belonged. In recent years, JTF-2 has worked very closely with U.S. forces in operations around the globe. It helped destroy al-Qaeda and Taliban forces in Afghanistan between 2001-2002, and has operated in Iraq and other locations. Speaking to the Washington Examiner, a former Delta Force operations officer, Jim Reese, described JTF-2 as "a great organization. A well trained, mature, disciplined unit." In special operations language "mature" is high praise. It means JTF-2 are quiet professionals, not attention seekers.

Third, Canada must do more in Iraq and Syria.

Don't get me wrong. Those soldiers currently deployed in Iraq are exceptional, as we've seen. The problem is what they're being allowed and not allowed to do. And in the end, this is a political failing.

In 2016, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau ended Canada's air force fighter deployment to Iraq. And while deploying more military trainers to Iraq (of which JTF-2 form a component), his government continues to restrict the missions that those forces can undertake. Additionally, while Canada will increase defense spending in the coming years, Trudeau's government has not committed to fully fund its ongoing mission in Iraq.

These issues need to be resolved. For one, if Canadian commanders do not know what funding they will have to work with in Iraq, they cannot effectively plan for deployments and associated needs.

But the real issue is that JTF-2 could do a lot more if it was sent closer to the front. Incidentally, it's telling that the sniper was 2.2 miles from the fighter he killed. That's very likely down to restrictive rules of engagement that afflict Canadian forces. They are not supposed to embed with Iraqi and U.S. special operations forces close to the front. And while all special forces like stretching these rules, they do make a difference.

Of course, the reason JTF-2 is not supposed to be at the front is simple: to mitigate their risk of catching enemy fire.

But this is war, and JTF-2 are some of the finest soldiers on earth. Forward deployed to the front lines, they would produce an outsized impact on the counter-ISIS fight. They could add critical air strike control capabilities, offer tactical advice to Iraqi units, and gather intelligence.

If we care about destroying ISIS with expediency, Canada should be asked to let their warriors do more.


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Re: Canadian Sniper Sets Longest Shot Record
« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2017, 21:49:04 »
Why were you waiting?  I posted that days ago in Radio Chatter.   :warstory:


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