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For instance, headdress: In the Navy, as an example, the ball cap and berets are already similar, why not the service cap too? If you look at cruise ships and merchant ships where officers wear caps, they use the same for men and women.

The USN is actually doing that right now; female Chiefs and Officers can wear the male peaked cap, and NCMs can wear the Dixie Cup hat.  Also, USN females will be wearing the male "square rig" uniforms and high-collar whites in the next few years.

https://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/10/09/sweeping-uniform-changes-emphasize-gender-neutrality/73602238/
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Do we have all that much female clothing left in the military?  In my day every but combats was different for women, even the colour of their "Greens" was lighter, their shirt collars rounded instead pointed, oxfords with a heel, etc.  I can only think of tunics, Navy bowler hats, skirts and dress shoes as being different now.  I see no issue in females wearing the forage cap, cops do.  Ban skirts and eliminate the oxford for both and go with low boot for all (including the officers).  This leave only tunics to be phased in with new female sizes.  No new gear just new dress regs.  Mess kit, wear what you buy!

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For instance, headdress: In the Navy, as an example, the ball cap and berets are already similar, why not the service cap too? If you look at cruise ships and merchant ships where officers wear caps, they use the same for men and women. This logic IMHO could apply to the Army and Air Force too - especially as they are moving to beret and/or wedge caps only.

IAW with the latest Naval Dress Committee minutes, females will now have the option of wearing either the Peaked Cap or the Bowler. Their initial issue will remain as the Bowler, however.

Men are still restricted to the Peaked Cap... unfortunately... ;D
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I find it interesting that most of the female MARS Officers of a certain age that I know prefer the bowler cap.

The younger ones seem ambivalent.

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When the decision came out, I spoke to a few of them, and the consensus was not that they wanted to wear the Peaked Cap, but that they didn't want to wear the Bowler. Letting them wear the peaked cap didn't fix their original issue.
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And what is their original issue? They don't want to wear a hat? (So they don't become bald like all old MARS officers  [:D?)

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When the decision came out, I spoke to a few of them, and the consensus was not that they wanted to wear the Peaked Cap, but that they didn't want to wear the Bowler. Letting them wear the peaked cap didn't fix their original issue.

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And what is their original issue? They don't want to wear a hat? (So they don't become bald like all old MARS officers  [:D?)

What is wrong with letting the women wear a beret?

Maybe everyone should wear a shapeless loose fitting moo moo like Homer Simpson.

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Maybe everyone should wear a shapeless loose fitting moo moo like Homer Simpson judges and many lawyers.
FTFY with an already fixed precedent  >:D
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And what is their original issue? They don't want to wear a hat? (So they don't become bald like all old MARS officers  [:D?)

The issue, as I (being a male, probably imperfectly) understand it is: female personnel in the RCN want a hat that fits properly and will stay on in most weather conditions, given the average female hair style (understanding that this varies wildly from mid back length hair to close cropped). Those who wear their hair in a bun, state that the forage cap will not fit properly over the bun.

To me, the solution is obvious: ships are inherently dangerous places. Everyone who serves on a ship should have short hair....<ducks>

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To me, the solution is obvious: ships are inherently dangerous places. Everyone who serves on a ship should have short hair....<ducks>

Whenever I see an individual in the RCN uniform with a particularly full beard, my immediate thought is "Gee, it's been a long time since you went to sea..."
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Whenever I see an individual in the RCN uniform with a particularly full beard, my immediate thought is "Gee, it's been a long time since you went to sea..."
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Whenever I see an individual in the RCN uniform with a particularly full beard, my immediate thought is "Gee, it's been a long time since you went to sea..."

You could probably add 'wanna be Pioneers' to that list ;)
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I suppose this has been said many times before, but the "why" we have dress regulations in the first place is to set us apart as a standardized and uniform military force, rather than a bunch of people in uniforms (I believe we have the guild of foresters of something like that to cover off the dress-up part).

To quash all the moaning and bitching, I would simply suggest that every person in the forces today be told to don their IPE and then be inspected to see if their (accoutrement/hairstyle/clothing) of choice interferes with the wearing and operational use of the kit. This includes CBRN protective gear, arctic gear and being able to use rifles, comms gear and other operational issue kit. Can't put on the helmet? Respirator doesn't seal? Looks like you, troop, better sort out what is interfering with the proper operational use of kit, or look for another line of work since *we* cannot afford self inflicted casualties.

Social Justice Warriors should be told to sod off, since this is operational necessity, and the ones who ***** and complain the most can always be invited to come and try on the kit in a gas hut, so they can understand what it is they are complaining about.

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Social Justice Warriors should be told to sod off, since this is operational necessity, and the ones who ***** and complain the most can always be invited to come and try on the kit in a gas hut, so they can understand what it is they are complaining about.

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So if the long haired freaky people pass the fit test, what then?
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So if the long haired freaky people pass the fit test, what then?

They become signalers and we keep them in a dark room for their entire careers, of course :)
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They become signalers and we keep them in a dark room for their entire careers, of course :)

Might as well, already a lot of weirdos in the trade.
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Like the observant Prince George, perhaps we should be listening a bit more to our kids:

Gender clothing completely shut down by an 8 year old.
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Re: Desexualized clothing instructions fail for gender specific directions
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I wish that the mom would have went to the Air Cadet Corp directly and voiced her concern over the directive instead of running to the media.

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The language came to light when a mother complained her 13-year-old daughter was given the brochure at the 510 Lions Royal Canadian Air Cadet Squadron in St. John’s.
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