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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2014, 20:05:25 »
You do know how bad that sounds:

1 man actually in country fighting.

1NAEF just a front for a possible scam artist.

That is my initial suspicions from your statement.

Preface:
I neither support nor have any firsthand knowledge of what these guys are up to.

My understanding is that this "organization" is hashing together international airfare and an address book for folks to hook up with the peshmerga. I doubt they even manage most of the former. These guys'll find themselves with some local qm for a unit of irregulars for whatever gear they either didn't bring or got stolen from them between A and B.

I doubt that it's an effective way to help anybody, but it doesn't scream "scam" to me.

I wish this guy the best, but I won't put cash in his kickstarter.

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2014, 20:12:56 »
Well......When I read or hear things like this:

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I've noticed they are quite fast at deleting questions on their FB page.

I begin to think that things are not completely on the up and up. 

But that could be only me.

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2014, 21:45:02 »
The group NAEF may be legitimate but that doesn't mean it's not a perfect set up for tons of scams to use them to take advantage of people.

Nathan Cirillo's body wasn't even cold before scam artists started making fake fund-raising accounts "for his family".

Not that they will however practically speaking NAEF is in a great position to take advantage of a hell of a lot of soldiers, ex-soldiers and citizens.  People on facebook are begging them to take their money and these people have no idea who NAEF is besides a facebook page.
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2014, 22:30:27 »
How does one become a "former veteran"?
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2014, 23:55:50 »
How does one become a "former veteran"?

If you are referring to my post; they don't.  I am talking about Veterans Affairs taking care of Veterans who have been in the Canadian Armed Forces and any injuries they may have incurred in the Service of Canada; NOT anyone who as a civilian or former member of the CAF (Veteran) who has embarked on an "adventure" to fight in the service of a foreign power.  They may be a "veteran" still, but Veterans Affairs Canada has no responsibility to care for anyone who while in the service of another nation or government becomes injured or incapacitated while doing so, even if they are Canadians and may have once served in the CAF.

I could use the example of Canadians who have left to serve in the FFL, some of whom were former members of the CAF.  Veterans Affairs has no responsibility to give them coverage or aid for any injuries suffered while in the FFL.
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2014, 00:18:27 »
It is the thread title. "Former Veteran"

Once you are a veteran, I think the only way to earn the qualifier "former" would be by dying.

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2014, 01:04:53 »
It is the thread title. "Former Veteran"

Once you are a veteran, I think the only way to earn the qualifier "former" would be by dying.

There ya go, hoofbeats = horses most of the time.
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2014, 01:58:51 »
... except when it's coconuts. 

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #58 on: December 16, 2014, 02:13:35 »
African or European coconuts?

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2014, 07:48:53 »
African or European coconuts?

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2014, 08:05:28 »
African or European coconuts?

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It was swallows, not coconuts.....sheesh... :facepalm:
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2014, 09:09:29 »
From About The 1st
"...the 1st NAEF has no specific national association"
But he wears two flags...

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2014, 09:45:51 »
Wow that looks wrong...
« Ne vous occupez pas d'eux; ils ne savent pas tirer. [...] Il y a des ennemis devant nous, derrière nous et sur nos flancs. Il ne reste qu'une place sans danger, soit vers l'objectif. » Paul Triquet, VC

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2014, 13:07:41 »
I can imagine the FB for the McKenzie-Pappion Brigade would start out like this if the had FB in the 1930's

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2014, 13:26:04 »
From About The 1st
"...the 1st NAEF has no specific national association"
But he wears two flags...

ME

That looks like it could open up a whole can of worms...

Although I doubt anything prevents that from being worn.
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2014, 13:47:40 »
If I was them I be buying a whole whack of Chinese Optics, you can give a bunch of guys optics for the price of one North American built(branded at least) one. Plus the Chinese don't GAS about end use certificates.

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2014, 16:27:07 »
I can imagine the FB for the McKenzie-Pappion Brigade would start out like this if the had FB in the 1930's


Let no nit ever go unpicked ...  ;)

It was the Mackenzie-Papineau Battalion, named for:

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2014, 16:33:15 »
I remember to call you when my daughters get another head lice infestation  ;D (This is where I learned the true meaning of nit-picking)

thanks for the correction

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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2014, 17:12:56 »


Rockin' the faux-hawk before it became cool.   >:D
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2014, 20:03:40 »
Rockin' the faux-hawk before it became cool.   >:D


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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2014, 12:47:51 »
 :rofl:
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2014, 19:34:20 »
that dude needs to remove the Canada flag patch. I don't give a rat frig if his Daddy's an MP, or if he is former CF, he is not over there representing this country or his citizenship, he is simply over there for his own idealism. That  flag patch worn on a combat uniform is symbolism of the Canadian Forces that are currently serving their country, and not for those serving their own ego. If he wants to wear a patch, the most historically appropriate is the skull and cross bones, for he is in it for himself and perhaps for the thrill (I doubt there is much rum, booty or treasure over there).
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2014, 23:04:04 »
that dude needs to remove the Canada flag patch. I don't give a rat frig if his Daddy's an MP, or if he is former CF, he is not over there representing this country or his citizenship, he is simply over there for his own idealism. That  flag patch worn on a combat uniform is symbolism of the Canadian Forces that are currently serving their country, and not for those serving their own ego. If he wants to wear a patch, the most historically appropriate is the skull and cross bones, for he is in it for himself and perhaps for the thrill (I doubt there is much rum, booty or treasure over there).
He should keep that flag and wear it with pride,  seeing as how he's over there putting his life on the line fighting against a group of scumbags. Which is more than 99 percent of the Canadian Armed Forces can say.  At least he's doing something.
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2014, 00:40:31 »
He should keep that flag and wear it with pride,  seeing as how he's over there putting his life on the line fighting against a group of scumbags. Which is more than 99 percent of the Canadian Armed Forces can say.  At least he's doing something.

Hey ***** quite a few members of this forum,  let alone the forces,  have put their time in "fighting scumbags".   There is even a list of forum members who didn't come home.  Why don't you simmer down.  Better yet why don't you hop on a plane and go yourself.
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Re: Former Veteran Dillon Hillier asking for your help
« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2014, 02:26:19 »
Hey dip crap quite a few members of this forum,  let alone the forces,  have put their time in "fighting scumbags".   There is even a list of forum members who didn't come home.  Why don't you simmer down.  Better yet why don't you hop on a plane and go yourself.
My comment is directed at the current situation in the CAF,  not years past.  I have great respect is for those who went over to Afghanistan and the many who didn't return. But currently 99 percent of the CAF sits around in Canada, not over in Iraq or Syria fighting a group who beheads journalists,  aid workers,  kurds and anyone who doesn't subscribe to their twisted form of Islam.

Hiller is fighting this current group of scum,  as he fought the last group,  which is better than what 99 percent of CURRENT military  members are doing(for free I might add).   In my opinion he can wear whatever damn flag he wants as long as he's shooting at the zehaf-bibeaus of the world. It's not like the Canadian army is going to.
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